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Promethelax
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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Fulla
United Kingdom519 Posts
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Fulla
United Kingdom519 Posts
I did say these guys won't go along with that plan  | ||
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Promethelax
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On July 09 2012 09:06 Fulla wrote: Strong already made it clear, he only wants me and Matt to die. I did say these guys won't go along with that plan Do note how niether of us will kill WBG. This attack doesn't hurt town because he is already below the mafia beast kill threshold but hurts scum if WBG is scum which I feel that he probably is. If Matt is doing enough damage to WBG to bring him to the point where I could kill him I will instead attack Zealos to weaken him in case he is scum. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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WereBugs-Go
Korea (South)172 Posts
Not exactly, but kind of. Here's why: I thought this through A LOT and I can't think of big disadvantages or big advantages, however we would get a lot of information here. To get this straight, I don't think it hurts us and I don't think it will benefit us but with what prom has recently posted we desperatly need to get clarity in here and forcing everyone to sac stuff might end up revealing hidden mafia plans if there are any. We all got a pretty good idea at what people should be saccing if they are town however if we consider what they have and what would be best for town, however we might end up seeing weird stuff. I'm not really willing to get more into details here but there are several choices you can make for different people and I think we could easily break down things that way and get clarity about what people want to do this turn and not just want people say. I still don't have an idea what's going on in Matt-land or Prom-land and I honestly don't think they're telling the truth. On top of that we have Prom telling people "well we should waste our damage this turn because it doesn't matter". Prom says we're at Mylo and that's complete bullshit, we're not at Mylo, we're at Lylo right now. Just read what he's postng most recently: On July 09 2012 09:24 Promethelax wrote: Do note how niether of us will kill WBG. This attack doesn't hurt town because he is already below the mafia beast kill threshold but hurts scum if WBG is scum which I feel that he probably is. If Matt is doing enough damage to WBG to bring him to the point where I could kill him I will instead attack Zealos to weaken him in case he is scum. This is clear mafia agenda. He's basicly telling people to no-lynch and hold damage back, because after all "worst case" would be you wasted your damage on someone who is going to die either way, and telling you that's not bad at all and won't change a thing. We're at lylo right now. Every point of damage might matter in the end and it's a race against the clock before the mafia beast kills the remaining townies. How is wasting damage in that scenario not something bad? We need to kill Matt today to give ourselves another chance to stay in the game and we need to focus our damage on prom to give ourselves a chance to kill him off. Here's the same post: On July 09 2012 09:07 Promethelax wrote: You already know my thoughts on that, if you go for him I'll probably go after WBG with my follow up as well, if he is townie Mafia is already able to one shot him with their beast so it won't hurt us and if he is mafia weakening him helps a great deal. He's not even talking about what he thinks about me. He says "well if he's town I derped and it doesn't matter because he's dead anyways and if he's mafia he's not". That's not an explanation to go after someone in lylo, we need every point of damage we can get and we need people to attack who they consider to be mafia and not some "well if he's town it won't hurt so I poke him instead". Also check out how he completly changed targets over the past 48 hours. If I remember correctly the only reason he considered me to be a mafia is that I was fosing multiple people early on. Well newsflash, I did not know how is town and who is mafia before the game started. Reads change over the game and people are wrong. I ended up being wrong on Grey and I ended up being fooled by wifom badly. But here's how reading people works: You have a somewhat bad idea early on. Usually you get a couple of green reads early on, maybe a couple of red reads but you're not sure at all, not on d1 and most times not on d2 as well although people keep saying otherwise to sound confident in their reads to make people follow them. Most interesting is this fact: Reads start out weak and get better and better over the course of action. Prom basicly said I am mafia because I was not certain about someone early on and attacked multiple people. Do you people really think that is something that mafias do? Or more importantly, do you think that is something townies don't do? I can only speak for myself but I don't usually figure out 100% mafia by the end of d1 calling every single name without calling more names than having mafia in the game. Do you? So really there is no point in saying "Well toad is suspicious because he was suspicious of multiple people early on". If anything that's a fucking town tell because of course I'm not sure about my reads early on. If you would waltz in the thread telling people otherwise that sounds more confident that you should be and therefore you're either overconfident or mafia having more information. As mentioned, reads start out shaky and with every day they should get better as you get more and more information about what's going on (unless of course you already have all the information needed, right prom? :p). That's what's happening in camp-Toad. Reads were a little all over the place early on because I said I consider 4 people to be scummy d1 or possible mafias and now I'm certain it's got to be Matt and Prom. Again, Prom says that's something weird but it's really not at all, it's normal for people starting with no information and gaining more information to work with over the course of action. Now on to the important part: Look at how proms reads are changing COMPLETLY over the course of 24 hours that late in the game. Prom however was the completly opposite here. He said very little about reads early on when it should be easy to say at least something, he never really attacked someone and always keeps half of his stuff untapped for something and he suddenly chickens out like a mad mad. He said I'm mafia and matt is mafia as well 24 hours ago. Now he's willing to attack Zealos instead, or even Fulla. Way to go, it's Lylo with 5 people other than you alive "well I think those 4 might end up being mafia, but just maybe". So really, I think we have all the prove we need to consider both Matt and Prom mafia at this point and should go all attack on them. However, I'd like to see s&b sacrifice one creature to check what Prom is doing as it's not changing a thing anyways. Is he going to sac his useless blocker or is he to afraid to sac something that can block fliers when Zealos has a 10/2 flier and instead sac something that actually could be used in a good way, aka attacking someone? | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
I think WBG is scummy, he is tied for me second scum spot after Fulla. He is tied with Zealos. He is right, I stopped pushin Matt when I looked at his meta, I have to go on something and that is all I have. Toad's meta is totally different in this game from his town meta. Similar to his scum meta though so I am going with WBG over Matt as scum. I have stated this a number of times. I also feel that the way he is intentionally misrepresenting my words makes him look like scum. I've said all these things before and I do believe them, I may be a bad townie but I am nothing worse than that I hope whichever townies are left will realize this and attack the scum players. It is my goal to make town win this game and to do that I will be killing Fulla and trying to reduce WBG to a killable point, I'm taking a gamble, it is true. I think WBG and Zealos are both scummy but Fulla is more scummy. Since I feel that we are in an awful position I will try to kill Fulla and weaken Toad, if I am wrong about Toad he will still die to the mafia beast and it will be proven that I suck. If he turns out to be scum everything will be awesome because I will have reduced the last scum to a killable point. If I am forced to sac a creature it'll be my 1/1 prot red, I need to keep my damage output for next turn and since I am only sure of one townie in this game (me) letting that townie take 10 life damage is dumb. | ||
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WereBugs-Go
Korea (South)172 Posts
If Zealos is indeed Zealos, Mattchew is probably Mattchew and has only 8 HP while Zealos can kill him without a problem. What exactly makes you think that Zealos would even think about attacking you instead of Mattchew in that scenario? More importantly, we are talking about a creature that loses that power the next cycle, so it would be only for this very cycle. More importantly Zealos is attacking Mattchew and I am most likely WBG according to you. Mafiabuddies Zealos and WBG doing whatever we're doing right now, yet you want to attack Fulla Am I really the only one who thinks this story of yours might not make sense at all? | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
Prome: as I said above, we already lose if Zealos is mafia because none of you fools listened to me. If we kill Mattchew and Fulla, we get one from every scum team except WBG/Prome, which I consider to be the lowest probability team. Shouldn't we all have seven new cards right now? | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3571 Posts
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On July 09 2012 18:08 strongandbig wrote: Shouldn't we all have seven new cards right now? Everyone should now have their draws. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
So it looks like everyone is tapped out at the moment and wait shit we're doomed, Zealos just discarded two glimpse of nature's - makes it pretty unlikely he'll have another one for the next main phase  That changes things - we need Promethelax and WBG to have lower life totals so that we can kill them if they turn out to be the scum. We still need Mattchew and Fulla to die though. Mattchew would you attack soon please? I want to know where that piledriver is going. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
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strongandbig
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strongandbig
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
Let me have a look at the board for a second before I make my moves. I'll be around for an hour or tow if you want to have a discussion about anything. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
I will still have Field Marshall untapped and am debating attacking Zealos or WBG with it. Does anyone have any thoughts on why one or the other is better? | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
- If Zealos is scum we lose anyway since he'll have his combo, which even if it doesn't outright kill you it will give him enough life to outlast you until the mafia beast kills you - If Zealos is town then the very LAST thing we want to happen is to bring him below the mafia beast threshhold, we need his combo tomorrow. So attacking Zealos is a lose/lose, but since WBG is already below the mafia beast threshhold attacking him doesn't matter if he's town and it can only help if he's mafia since it will make it easier to kill him. So as long as you don't kill him this turn I advocate attacking WBG. | ||
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