[T] MTG Mini Mafia - Page 71

On July 08 2012 22:51 Fulla wrote:
Strong are you taking into account the beast kills Were as well this turn?

Then, after all of their creatures are tapped, WBG and Promethelax each swing all of their creatures at one or the other of Mattchew and Fulla. They can't kill each other, so the only way this fails is if one of them is scum and decides to claim it by attacking me. I can survive an attack from WBG, since I can block his ground creatures and then sacrifice all my stuff before damage goes on the stack. Then he will have to sacrifice three of his creatures; if he leaves one of the ground guys alive all the damage will fizzle since the creature was blocked, and if he leaves one of the hovermyr I'll only take one damage and survive. The same thing goes for an attack from Promethelax; I can block all his stuff except Commander Eesha, and if I then sacrifice all my stuff he'll have to sacrifice all but Commander Eesha, which will only do 2 damage to me so I will survive.

On July 08 2012 22:52 strongandbig wrote:


Artanis, do mafia win in a 1v1 or 2v2 situation?

And toad yes that was my plan but then ssb mafia ended and I thought "oh crap what if the mafia win here with equal numbers too?" so I control+f'ed "equal" in the OP.

On July 08 2012 22:50 Fulla wrote:
Strong, there is no we all live happily ever scenario. Whatever plan you put forward matt and prom won't go with it. They are both stalling you.

They aren't even posting anymore, just the odd daily post, to make you have doubts and hope you won't do anything. At the end of day you have to make a choice, I hope you realize inaction will get us all killed.

Remember thou Matt and Prom are going to attack you, so be ready for this. As far as I know you can't sacrifice during attack phase?

Were's option seems a bit better than mine. However we will all die except Zeal and Prom.

But the entire games will literally all come down, to Zeal drawing a Tendrils in his next 7 cards.

On July 08 2012 22:57 Fulla wrote:
In that case we need Zealos + Me/Strong to survive.

On July 08 2012 22:54 Fulla wrote:


and what happens with Prom just attacks you Eesha, during attack phase, you can't do anything and you die?

On July 08 2012 23:04 Fulla wrote:
But strong, if you sacrifice, the damage from the attack will still goes through, even after other's forcing to sacrifice? He just ruled that if I read correctly?

On July 08 2012 23:04 strongandbig wrote:
REPOSTING FROM THE BOTTOM OF THE PREVIOUS PAGE:

SO HERE IS THE PLAN.
WE KILL MATTCHEW AND FULLA TONIGHT AND NO ONE ELSE.
Here's the logic. This is MYLO, but it's a double lynch MYLO - as I explained above, we have the option to kill one person or two without losing. Picking Mattchew and Fulla makes this the hardest to disrupt, and if we kill those two we are certain to get one scum; the only realistic way we don't is if zealos is scum, and if that's the case we've lost already since town collectively is an idiot and didn't listen to me about him. I don't think a wbg/prome scum team is a possibility due to study of prome's filter; the only scummy things in there were in his interaction with Mattchew, and his actions towards Mattchew make no sense from a scum point of view unless Mattchew is scum also. If anyone thinks WBG/Prome is a possible scum team then explain why ASAP.

We can't kill him in one turn (he has too many blockers) and therefore he'll have his combo before the next attack phase.

Once we've killed those two, if one of them flips scum we can use relational analysis to figure out the last scum team member. Either WBG or I will be dead from the mafia monster, so the remaining players will be Zealos, Prome, and whichever of WBG or I survived. Zealos then hits the scum between WBG and Prome with his combo; even if it doesn't kill them straight away, it should bring them low enough that the other one of those two can kill them off with creatures. Zealos will have enough HP then to survive the mafia monster, and town wins.

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So how can we make sure scum go along with this plan?
Pretty simple. First, we make sure that Mattchew and Fulla swing all their creature power at each other. If either of them haven't done this by a certain point in time - preferably halfway to the attack phase deadline - we assume that person is claiming scum and focus fire on them, and save the other one.

Then, after all of their creatures are tapped, WBG and Promethelax each swing all of their creatures at one or the other of Mattchew and Fulla. They can't kill each other, so the only way this fails is if one of them is scum and decides to claim it by attacking me. I can survive an attack from WBG, since I can block his ground creatures and then sacrifice all my stuff before damage goes on the stack. Then he will have to sacrifice three of his creatures; if he leaves one of the ground guys alive all the damage will fizzle since the creature was blocked, and if he leaves one of the hovermyr I'll only take one damage and survive. The same thing goes for an attack from Promethelax; I can block all his stuff except Commander Eesha, and if I then sacrifice all my stuff he'll have to sacrifice all but Commander Eesha, which will only do 2 damage to me so I will survive.

We will give WBG and Promethelax a deadline to attack with their stuff, probably something like 1 hour before the attack phase deadline. Then, Zealos uses ornithopter of doom to attack anyone who isn't following the plan.

DOES EVERYONE AGREE TO THIS PLAN?

On July 08 2012 23:08 WereBugs-Go wrote:

that plan has multiple flaws in it...

On July 08 2012 23:10 strongandbig wrote:


what are they and do you have a better one?

On July 08 2012 23:21 WereBugs-Go wrote:

Flaws I can point out:

• If you want people to sacrifice stuff that means EVERYONE sacrifices stuff meaning that if you make us sacrifice 3 creatures that means fulla has no creatures to block at all, which means Matt can kill him on his own and probably still attack me or you on top of that while you have 1 creature to block tops. He has a shitton of creatures and you want to reduce everyone (but zealos) to 1 blocker. So you can block one goblin tops which means the rest WILL go trough. Same goes or Prom's monsters.
  
• You state I can't kill you. I am pretty sure I could do that if I wanted to with just one creature. My myrs are both 2/3 strong, I have still one mana so I can make one of them 3/2 which is enough to kill you, or just attack you with both making it 4 damage, or attacking you with both and equipping dealing 5 Damage.
  
• Same goes for Proms fier: It is stronger due to it's buffs. It deals 4 damage and could kill you right now even if he has to sacrifice it according to what Artanis said about the damage-stack.
  
• There's still the mafia beast which WILL kill someone (herpaderpa, who's at 16?...) this cycle on top of what you said

I think either you misunderstands what Artanis said about how sacrificing works or I am misunderstanding it.

On July 08 2012 23:23 WereBugs-Go wrote:
on what we should do:

I still think we just need to kill Matt here. I can do 5 damage to Matt with my fliers or just 4 and he can't block that. If someone else does the other 4 damage he's dead.

We can't hit into townies today. Mafia won't follow any plan anyways.

On July 08 2012 23:23 WereBugs-Go wrote:
on what we should do:

I still think we just need to kill Matt here. I can do 5 damage to Matt with my fliers or just 4 and he can't block that. If someone else does the other 4 damage he's dead.

We can't hit into townies today. Mafia won't follow any plan anyways.

On July 08 2012 23:25 strongandbig wrote:


scum

If mafia don't follow the plan then we'll know becuase we set a deadline. Then we kill them and save the rest.