EPTOr perhaps strong has something up his sleeves?
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Fulla
United Kingdom519 Posts
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WereBugs-Go
Korea (South)172 Posts
On July 07 2012 08:20 Fulla wrote: Our only hope is Zeal drawing a tendrils then. Or perhaps strong has something up his sleeves? WoF need 3 mana to cast. Tentrils needs 4 mana to cast. So he really would need something. We also need to figure out what to do with the global card. Clearly Zealos is the one to use it because he is the only one with HP left... but we need to split the damage or the targeted creature will just be tapped. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On July 07 2012 07:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I've thought about it and decided that if you cast WoF now, I'll resolve it halfway through the day so everyone gets a chance to cast their current cards. Will delay the transition to the Attack Phase if neccesary to allow for 24 hours after the card draw. well thats bs. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On July 07 2012 08:08 Fulla wrote: I strongly recommend we kill Matt, then it will 1 scum vs us all. I hope you're on board Were. why are you alive? i thought the big bad mafia beast that you control was gonna kill you... you are scum, I am going to kill you to prove it | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12973 Posts
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Artanis[Xp]
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
Matt: I think you are town, I'm interested in how many times Fulla has switched targets and scum teams. What are your thoughts on that behaviour? I'm going to try to look through his filter again and see what pops up. | ||
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Fulla
United Kingdom519 Posts
If you was town you wouldn't be thinking that. If there was any doubt you was scum it's now gone. | ||
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Fulla
United Kingdom519 Posts
On July 07 2012 13:47 Promethelax wrote: I have looked into Matt's meta (see PYP:R) and this is how he plays as town. I am revoking my suspicions I had of him because his meta resolves all of my problems, i know this sounds dumb but he plays a very lurky weird town who always seems this level of scummy, it seems to me that he is playing totally within his town meta. Matt: I think you are town, I'm interested in how many times Fulla has switched targets and scum teams. What are your thoughts on that behaviour? I'm going to try to look through his filter again and see what pops up. Interesting how you only post about Matt and Fulla Another give away. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On July 07 2012 14:36 Fulla wrote: Interesting how you only post about Matt and Fulla Another give away. WBG: still probably scum. Nothing changed there so I didn't have anything to say. two of: Fulla, WBG and Zealos are red | ||
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Fulla
United Kingdom519 Posts
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
First post just for reference, this was posted four days ago but it is on his fourth page of filter (he is now on five) and has his most recent reads. On July 03 2012 05:43 Fulla wrote: Just to give overall thoughts simplified/concluded etc: Grey - very suspicious Matt/Strong - quite suspicious Fulla/Zeal- a little suspicious Obe/Prom/Nova – town I just want to point out that he has me as town which is easy, people have all read me correctly as town since the beginning of this game. Next day Fulla says: On July 04 2012 06:17 Fulla wrote: Guys please consider at Matt / Nova possible connection. Not just Nova / Zeal. Matt just handed me over for a 1 turn kill to the scum. Note how Nova is scum in both of these? What did Fulla call him the day before? Obe/Prom/Nova – town [/b]oh right... After dealing the killing blow to our, now proven townie, friend Nova Full says: On July 04 2012 08:37 Fulla wrote: The way I see it, if Nova flips town. It has to be Were and Zeal are the scum. Thoughts everyone? So after Nova flipped town who did he go after? On July 05 2012 00:56 Fulla wrote: I'm convinced 100% matt is scum. Had you attacked him, I would now be killing him (finishing him off). However you chose not to? That's my main reason. === 2nd reason I'll be dead next turn. You have a powerful number of creatures to defend yourself. Nobody has direct damage. Only Prom with his protection from creatures might be able to kill you. But If you attack him + with mafia beast, thou you'll still on 1 health and he'll die. Zeal is useless now, Matt is very powerful with his goblins. You guys can easily end this. That is three 100% scum and he seems to have forgotten his earlier reads which now just seem like he is setting up something to look back on and refer to when he builds his case against whichever townie he feels is weakest. Who are scum now? Well as Fulla tells us: On July 06 2012 18:03 Fulla wrote: It's Matt and strong then. Good luck. After this he follows up with a new read: On July 07 2012 07:48 Fulla wrote: I think we've already lost, if Were is right and Prom is scum with Matthew. Then next turn: Mafia Beast will kill Were Matt will kill me. Prom will kill Strong Only chance we stand is killing one before they attack phase, even then it's probably over already. See we're all scum. That is what it is. And our only hope? It is those guys who were scum two minutes ago: On July 07 2012 08:20 Fulla wrote: Our only hope is Zeal drawing a tendrils then. Or perhaps strong has something up his sleeves? On July 07 2012 14:36 Fulla wrote: Interesting how you only post about Matt and Fulla Another give away. see, I'm scum. Because I posted some reads. But what we see is that Fulla is scum. He has been asking questions and trying to get town to direct his actions, he attacks everyone whenever he feels that the player is weak. He has hammered a bunch of townies and continued to try to direct us into another 'mislynch' I am most sure that Fulla is scum and will be doing my best to kill him this turn. Remember this case and look into his five page filter yourself. He has accused you of being scum and he has called you a townie. He wants you to let him follow you and he doesn't want to be noticed, I've noticed him though. ## Vote: Fulla | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
So with zealos out of the picture I think the scum are promethelax and mattchew. (it might be fulla and mattchew, though.) On mattchew: it's true that mattchew sometimes plays lurky/scummy as town. However, that doesn't make it a town tell. Here's something else interesting about mattchew's play as town: he lurks but he still tries to make a big impact. Consider his "worlds dumbest trap" on me during TL mafia lv, or his day 1 dayvig in the recent pyp. I don't think a town mattchew would be playing the way he has this game; it's too cautious. Then there's the balance complaint about zealos's WoF recently. I still think that "thinking about balance from a scum point of view" isn't a perfect scum tell, but in my experience it's held true 3/3 times do far, and we can definitely use that to corroborate our Pre-existing scum reads. So now on promethelax. The thing in his filter that caught me on to him was his interaction with mattchew. From the start of the game, he's been soft pushing mattchew and not doing anything about it - and he's always been pushing Mattchew as a secondary scum read. For example, for most of the first two days his scum reads we're mattchew and zealos. However, he actually posted reasons that he thought mattchew was scum, whereas he just said he "had a red feeling" about zealos and that zealos was "lurking". Even when I posted my bajillion cases on zealos and wbg posted his responses, prome didn't enter the debate about it. So it's clear he put way more effort into the mattchew stuff than the zealos stuff. However, who does he ultimately go after? Not mattchew, but zealos. Without every actually explaining why all the stuff he said earlier about mattchew didn't apply anymore. Overall, the whole thing in his filter reads like a distancing attempt. On the other hand, mattchew's filter completely ignores promethelax's existence. Now what if I'm wrong? Well if mattchew isn't scum then I don't think promethelax is either; his interaction with mattchew stil would seem really weird but it doesn't make sense from a scum point of view to be doing that kind of attack and ignore dance with anyone other than your partner. On the other hand, if mattchew is scum then his partner could concievably be anyone who hasn't attacked him yet, but I think prome is the most likely. Now if neither of them are scum then we probably lose by going after them. If that's the case then I think that toad is scum - mostly because I can't believe a double nub scum team of zealos and fulla would fool Oberyn, greymist, and toad for this long - and also because marvellosity still isn't posting in the thread, but he counted this game as an active one in his reasons for not /in-Ing to bureaucracy mafia. So here's my conclusion for you all, a tldr so to speak. if we do what you all appear to be doing and ignore zealos, then either Matt or toad is scum, and probably not both. Promethelax is very likely the last scum if Matt is red, whereas it is probably fulla if toad flips scum. So can we still win this game? Well, that's an interesting question. I think we can, assuming we kill scum this turn. Here's how - we abuse the fuck out of the board card. Everyone except prome and zealos is already below the threshold to die from the mafia beast. all four of us should die this turn. Now if we could use the board card ability ten times each that would be awesome but from the way it's worded I think it means ten times total. So the plan is: First, bugs pays nine life to bring himself down to six, bringing a hovermyr up to very large size. Either Zealos or prome uses the last use of the board card To give something +1/+1. Then, mattchew attacks fulla, as he has already said he's going to, killing fulla. Wbg attacks mattchew with the hovermyr, killing him. I sacrifice three creatures to my nantuko husk to make it big and kill mattchew. Fulla won't be able to attack because of grave pact, but Promethelax will have one creature left and can use it to kill me, since it will have plus one from the board card. Alternatively we could leave me alive and make the scum monster kill me, but that doesn't really matter. Also during the main phase, zealos plays wheel of fortue. Then next turn either we already won, or zealos uses his combo to win, or zealos is scum and I trololol at all of you. It's also possible tha scum promethelax wins but the odds of zealos getting his combo are much better than the odds are of us winning this game by killing each other off one by one. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
Basically it's better for town if you die because you might be scum. | ||
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Fulla
United Kingdom519 Posts
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Fulla
United Kingdom519 Posts
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
If we follow your plan and... ...I am scum but Zealos is town: He gets hit with an 18/1 creature and I have a flyinf prot creatures creature that can do 3. That is 21 damage at least, could he really come back and win? ...I am town but Zealos is scum: I can do 3 damage to him and he can roflstomp me with the Mafia beast. Basically your plan rests on both of us being town, why take that big a risk? | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On July 07 2012 22:34 Promethelax wrote: S+B: how does your plan work if Zealos or I are scum? It seems like we would straight lose there. Since both Zealos and I have a bunch of creatures and Zealos might have his combo. Are you just counting on Zealos being town at this point? Since you have a scummy read on both of us that seems...risky at best. I know I am town but you don't and I don't know about Zealos. If we follow your plan and... ...I am scum but Zealos is town: He gets hit with an 18/1 creature and I have a flyinf prot creatures creature that can do 3. That is 21 damage at least, could he really come back and win? ...I am town but Zealos is scum: I can do 3 damage to him and he can roflstomp me with the Mafia beast. Basically your plan rests on both of us being town, why take that big a risk? My plan is for zealos to kill you with his combo. If he has seven new cards next turn from wheel of fortune he should be able to pull it off. I will make each player sacrifice three creatures before the attack phase starts. Then, after damage goes on the stack but before I die, I will sacrifice my last creature to make you sacrifice one more creature. The only creatures you will have left will be however many you play this turn, which zealos can hopefully block. If everyone agrees to leave me alive as well, with zero creatures, then we have an extra turn because the mafia beast will attack me. But with a new full hand zealos should get his combo off. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On July 07 2012 21:18 Fulla wrote: I don't think any of us can kill Prom thou? He's too high health and too defensive. He's almost impenetrable.. I will make him sacrifice his creatures then zealos will kill him with his combo. | ||
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