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On June 17 2012 04:13 HiroPro wrote: Allied Party KharadBanar, are you indicating that you believe MajuGarzett to be a member of the mafia? Also, the board members of House Chezinu, 5th Party are not scum. How do we know that you are not scum? | ||
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Can house chezinu and its allies communicate through PMs? On June 17 2012 04:53 HiroPro wrote: We are House Chezinu, 5th Party. That is all I am permitted to say. Portals of the past may aid you in learning about us. The number of board members will not be released. My personal win condition is to improve House Chezinu, 5th Party. Acceptable members joining obviously furthers this goal. Your claimed win condition is compatible with House Chezinu, 5th Party. Anti-town forces possess killing power which can harm the members of House Chezinu, 5th Party and their removal is beneficial. We are pleased to see the interest in joining and aiding House Chezinu, 5th Party. However, several individuals ask questions which can already be answered by reading the personal filter of Director of Recruitment/Funding HiroPro. Please do this. I am taking a lunch break and will be back in ~45 minutes. Reads to me like he needs to keep someone alive to win the game. Somehow it fits well with DropBear's condition. What is House Chezinu's stance regarding the Monarch activist and the King | ||
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On June 17 2012 15:01 EchelonTee wrote: Yeah. Remember in TL LV when people wanted to discredit Toad? Don't remind me. We should try to find out as much about House Chezinu on N0 just like Toad in LV but only difference is there is no confirming the alignment of said House. And about my earlier question. HiroPro? | ||
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Waiting on Hiropro's response. | ||
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On June 18 2012 00:17 EchelonTee wrote: this game was a lot more fun about 8 pages ago, sad I missed out Or you could get another marvellosity. | ||
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But who knew, what a good night. | ||
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It was written during a time where everyone seem to be spamming. I was just adding flavor to my spam. BTW, 201's post date On June 17 2012 03:09 Nisani201 wrote: Wait, it's not day yet. I would like to join the Chezinu house but I do not want to tell everyone my SUPER SECRET ROLE that is VERY IMPORTANT. So I would like to ally with you. How does that sound? My post date. On June 17 2012 03:46 Hyaach wrote: While I'm inclined to be part of House Chezinu, 5th Party. I can't hold my liquor so well. Tell me again how you are twisting facts? KharadBanar | ||
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Your case against me is forced at best. On June 17 2012 03:46 Hyaach wrote: While I'm inclined to be part of House Chezinu, 5th Party. I can't hold my liquor so well. On June 17 2012 03:18 FourFace wrote: House Chezinu drinking game => you drink every time someone mentions House Chezinu This was the quote i was replying to in my quote Why have you completely skipped my question? Why are you twisting the time factor of both you and 201's post and my post. You and 201 talking about allying with House Chezinu came before my joke post. @talismania What you are doing is pro-town. But where is your case? I would like a case from you as well and soon. Nisani201. People find it wierd to ally so fast with a house without any information from it? On June 17 2012 05:00 Nisani201 wrote: Because I prefer to make friends, not enemies. Only people that wants friends are scum/third parties. Towns can credit themselves cred by scum hunting. Scum/third parties are lazy and lack this advantage. On June 17 2012 07:22 Nisani201 wrote: I highly doubt that there are any vanilla roles such as "serial killer" in this game. Why discredit the existence of a 3rd party be it a group or 1 single individual? On June 18 2012 06:43 Nisani201 wrote: Some other points to make: If you are the "king" then you should claim that you are, as well as the powers you have. I also don't like the case on Maju On June 18 2012 07:19 Nisani201 wrote: I think the source of a lot of confusion surrounding the monarch stuff is because talis/acro aren't making good distinctions between what is fact (established in the role pm) and what is speculation. Could you two be more specific? Why are you so interested in the King and the specific set up? Do they have anything to do with your win-con? On June 17 2012 10:09 Nisani201 wrote: What information is revealed upon death? With 0 KP last night and KB who is buddy-buddying you is in the spotlight. Are you afraid his death will reveal existence of your 3rd party set up? I believe 201 is 3rd party with an anti-town win con. ##Vote: Nisani201 | ||
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Just to get the time right: On June 18 2012 04:18 KharadBanar wrote: SO. I'm back. -sniped- Basically, at first he immediately wants to join (this is even before Nisani201's alliance proposal), but then is very unsure about Nisani201 and me are allying to them because "the alignment of the faction is unknown." If you are concerned about the faction being of unkown alignment, why did you try to join in the first place? Lie in question. On June 17 2012 03:09 Nisani201 wrote: Wait, it's not day yet. I would like to join the Chezinu house but I do not want to tell everyone my SUPER SECRET ROLE that is VERY IMPORTANT. So I would like to ally with you. How does that sound? On June 17 2012 03:18 FourFace wrote: House Chezinu drinking game => you drink every time someone mentions House Chezinu On June 17 2012 03:34 KharadBanar wrote: I don't fully trust House Chezinu's intentions yet, but I would like to claim that I am not one of its enemies, and would be interested in an alliance, similar to Nisani201. If this arrangement can be made, maybe we can talk about further deals in the future. On June 17 2012 03:46 Hyaach wrote: While I'm inclined to be part of House Chezinu, 5th Party. I can't hold my liquor so well. Why the deliberate lie and choice of ignoring the question? | ||
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On June 19 2012 01:52 HiroPro wrote: There are some people who are saying that we should be focusing on lynching third parties. This is flat-out wrong and blatantly anti-town. This is what scum want - they want us to lynch third parties during the day and then they can night-kill townies. Third parties would be neutral in this setup; it doesn't matter how many of them are alive as long as we kill everyone who is anti-town. Anti-town will have a clear motivation (to focus the lynch on townies or third parties). Third parties will only care about whatever their objective is and their own life. I think KB and Nisani201 are linked survivors of some kind (if you look at Bastard 1, the survivor roles could win by not only surviving themselves but also having someone else live). This would explain why they are so close together (KB decided to form an alliance with House Chezinu right after Nisani201, while Nisani201 has defended KB in a nonsensical manner) and why the cases they have put forth have been short and never followed up on (they simply don't care who gets lynched). And ultimately I don't see a reason why as scum they would be so open to forming an alliance with House Chezinu. If someone wants to shoot them, go right ahead. They're clearly not helping town. But I think we should be focusing on other targets for our lynch. This is a good case against ET. ET obviously cares about the lynch as he is comfortable throwing out a list of people he finds weird. But he doesn't pressure these people, he doesn't make any substantiated reads on any of them, he doesn't make cases. In the beginning of the game he tried to lead the discussion into useless stuff about the way Toad played in LV. He says that he wants to join a mason circle without revealing his alignment. This is scummy; all he wants is to influence others. He speculates that there may not even be mafia in this game: S&B and FourFace are right: this is what mafia want us to think. He talks about fulfilling his town meta by being accused. He's trying to defend himself without actually saying anything or without going after FourFace. This is not town play at all, especially for ET. Look at his filter in Magic:The Gathering Mini Mafia. ET is very aggressive early on, extremely keen on pressuring people, and actually provides reasoning when he calls people suspicious. That is not how he has played this game. ##Vote: EchelonTee ET what says you about Hiro's case. I agree with his case in that you have thrown out a bunch of names, (kinda of like Drazerk) without providing any solid reasoning behind them. I mean, you can only conclude so much from a meta read and both of your targets are from meta read. You are not convincing in scum hunting right now. KH. Twice you didn't answer why would you deliberately lie about the timing of our post. I think 201 and KH is third party. And to anyone who says keeping third party alive is good. Its all relative, their win condition could be with town or against town. Until we find out when one flip, we'll never know. Right now keeping my vote on 201 until ET responds. | ||
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I played TL LV too. If you read Maju's filter there, its almost the same as what he did here and he turned out scum in that game. The downside I see to Maju's question this game is his lack of stance on House Chezinu. He asked some legitimate questions but lack on a firm stance. That and he needs to get in and post soon or did he get pressured into lurking which ET could strongly claim fits Maju's scum meta in LV too. But ET, meta could only get you so far, while i agree with you on Maju, I have no idea on the metas of the other players here and am lazy to read their previous game. Bottomline, start finding solid case from post in here. | ||
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I really dislike playing a game with Kenpachi style. | ||
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Too much similarity to TL LV. | ||
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor ( i learn that in LV) no more tin foiled hat, although not town town, they are town. I still think 201 is 3rd party from the way he fish for information in this thread. He also shows no interests in scum hunting in his play and is playing really defensive. He does not want to be in the spotlight and only pop up to ask questions without making a stance. On June 19 2012 05:39 Nisani201 wrote: Why do you keep asking me these questions? Why not you? You were asking about the set up, so from what you can speculate, what do you think the set up should be? He then replies to talis question in fear of being shot but his reply is also lackluster. On June 19 2012 06:15 Nisani201 wrote: Just read through his filter. Most of his N0 posts looks like easy-to-make ones, his tunnelling of Drazerk later on looks very forced and I don't like it. What does I don't like it mean? You suspect him enough but don't want to do anything about it? He then post here and there without posting anything. | ||
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You allying with House Chezinu does not prove your alignment at best. at worst, it makes you look like 3rd party. Information that would benefit town and 3rd party alike is not very telling of you. Most of your question was on N0. Then when Talis asked you questions about the set up, you pop up a defensive question On June 18 2012 09:20 Nisani201 wrote: First of all I'd like to call out BioSC for hardcore lurking throughout all of N0. However I'd prefer not to lynch a lurker today because I think there are better targets. xsksc is who I'd like to lynch today. Read his filter, and you'll see that he is sort of unwilling to contribute but is trying to make posts in the thread. In other words, all of his posts are easy to make. His most recent post, commenting on me and KB wanting to ally with the House Chezinu, is once again very diplomatic and is siding towards the general popular opinion on the thread. Putting my vote on him for now. ##Vote: xsksc How is that a case? If anything he has the same play as you making post in thread which are easy to make. And you are not even committing on this case. You kept asking around for opinions on him. Seems to me you are waiting for response before you fully commit. Why so wishy washy? And no you attacking my cases on you will not make me back down. If i can't convince, just read his filter yourself. | ||
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My bottomline is 201 is a 3rd party in this set up and is a decent candidate lynch for information. | ||
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On June 19 2012 17:28 Hyaach wrote: EBWOP My bottomline is 201 is a 3rd party in this set up and is a decent candidate lynch for information. | ||
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Can we read clues form the night message or is everything just flavor? The King has been dethroned, does this means KH was the king or its just time for the MA to appoint a new king? and what's with the lynch? do not comprehend. lots of hidden mechanics involved. | ||
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I am not about to speculate on the lynch because there is too many possibilities. But KH dying does not clear DropBear's roleclaim now and makes it even more complicated. (I understand a vengeful townie as one who will get lynched but the last person to vote gets killed as well) KH's last unvote and PM tells me he and Nisani are not linked 3rd party. Nisani201 still looks like a 3rd party. He voting DropBear does not give him town cred. He was in no danger of being the last to vote and he wasn't engaging in the thread to make it that he will be the last to vote. | ||
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xksxe is a null. His case are on KH who died 3rd party and Nisani except he did not read thread and thought Nisani was Maju's scum partner after Talis pointed the extra win con out. Scums don't follow thread closely. He also hasn't contributed his case on Nisani201 but rather just sheep DropBear( potential lynch candidate day1 and day2) whom he never gave a read on. And i think any scum/3rd party can figure out the name/role correlation already. BnS is null. A quick glance through his filter, its almost like Drazek except longer. Only thing Drazek has that sets him apart is the deco detector thing. | ||
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BIO is lurker. xsk is null with guts on scum. BnS is null. I would shoot dropbear and lynch nisano201 tomorrow. | ||
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I think Nisani201 is 3rd party. While the King could be town, I don't think the MA is necessery of the same alignment. And Acrofales action is very discriminating towards himself. He has been playing pro-town. But the shot is just weird. If not for his incredible breadcrumb and play. I would be voting him in a heartbeat now. Just to make my stance clear, I'm null on Acrofale's alignment now. If you read BioSC's filter, he has been breadcrumbing since the start. On June 17 2012 04:39 BioSC wrote: If the last Bastard game was any indication, this will be a bit stranger than a normal game. Speaking of this House Chezinu... You "guys" want a lot for giving not so much. Are you a mason group? Can you recruit? I'm staying cautiously positive atm. Unless you guys have cupcakes to offer, then I may change my stance =D On June 20 2012 21:02 BioSC wrote: Nopey-Dopey! It was a coincidence, and a funny couincidence at that! I didn't know about a "Phoenix Wright" role, I guess you could say that I had some kind of freaky sense about it! Besides, Feenie used his power, why would I claim it now? + Show Spoiler + On June 20 2012 19:48 Acrofales wrote: Tweedledeedledum, I have found a scum! After a quick look over BioSC's filter I don't think any other conclusion is possible. Ridiculously lacking in any useful content whatsoever. Given this lack of content, I started digging a bit deeper. Earlier, we caught Majuju, based mainly on Hiro's excellent case, based on Maju's stance on Chezinu. Take a look at BioSC's opinion of Chezinu: it is exactly the same. Cautiously trying to gain information without actually giving an opinion one way or the other. Here are some gems from his filter: + Show Spoiler [Ho Hum, Bio Scum] + On June 17 2012 04:39 BioSC wrote: If the last Bastard game was any indication, this will be a bit stranger than a normal game. Speaking of this House Chezinu... You "guys" want a lot for giving not so much. Are you a mason group? Can you recruit? I'm staying cautiously positive atm. Unless you guys have cupcakes to offer, then I may change my stance =D On June 17 2012 14:27 BioSC wrote: Do you have a link/proof? For those of us bastards not in the loop? Not doubting you, just want as much info as possible. After this, there's only his case on KB, which was exactly enough to let him fly under the radar for all the rest of D1. Nothing else of use is in his filter, which would be pretty incriminating by itself, but lets look further. Go and look at this, his filter in his only other TL Mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=343892&user=85763 Eeee gads! This filter is chock-a-block full of PBPA. He may have been wrong in Newbie XIII, but he was very VOCALLY wrong. Now look at his filter this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=343892&user=85763 Something tells me he learned from his newbie game: lurker scum wins... so he's giving it a try! Or, I learned that you shouldn't just stick to one target! In that game, I picked one person, Anacletus, and tunneled him so hard, like a mole! Or a Prarie dog! ... Something that tunnels! I learned that you should make your read and still stay open to other reads, especially when there is this many people! I even wrote a letter about it! Too much about this post is WIFOM-y to me, so I'll leave it at that! My filter may lack in content, but the person I made a case on turned out to be pretty anti town to me. Flying under the radar or not, I'm eliminating anti-town, even if it happened due to forces I can't control, and I know about forces I can't control! Zephirdd's right, the world needs more hearts, welcome to the game Ghostie! *giggles* ♥♥♥ I have no idea what to think of this line. Is this referring to his n0 target? Is this referring to KH? or is this referring to Nisani201? Thoughts people? | ||
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and his whole posting style is one big crumb really. lol | ||
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On June 18 2012 10:15 BioSC wrote: What do you think about xsksc's case on KB? Right now it makes a lot of sense to me, and I know when things don't make sense. Do you think he's right or wrong? Do you think that KB is acting like a bastard? | ||
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He investigated KB(i realize my typo now) on n0 and was returned with an anti-town check. Thus the case actually made a lot of sense to him. | ||
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He switched from giving a fk to scumhunting. Why the sudden change in attitude? I'm not defending xsdxdx because I have a null read from a last read and am going out now but Maju's PM says he wins when scums outnumbers town, 3rd party not counted. So focus on eliminating 3rd party is not that condemning in this game. | ||
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Why are you so defensive? Yes we can't tell him from his tone of typing and draw conclusion but FROM what he typed. Who agreed on BioSC's case? Can you link me the response which make you come to the conclusion that his is a scummy lurker and not just A lurker? I have no idea about bastard games, this is my first one. But would having 2 2 person scum teams and 3rd parties be unlikely? Maju was a scum cop and i refuse to believe we have two cops with almost identical PM. | ||
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i thought about it while cleaning the house. 2 scum teams would means the we have missing KP in night 1. But i still refuse to believe we have 2 cops with identical PMs | ||
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that's all I'm saying. | ||
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this is important. DO WE HAVE A KING TODAY ? And as I've said, King may be town, MA may not be towned aligned. We do not know what mechanics the king have but are believing its along the lines of dictating the day's lynch. The King may also not know his king. Base on that, the king's vote could be potentially manipulated. I've tunneled Nisani201 all day, he wouldn't make me king if the king dictate the day's vote as i WOULD vote him. | ||
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I can convince and bribe some unknowing folk each night to stop someone's night action. I win when all anti-town are dead. this is my only win con. I did not use it on n0. Nisani201 on n1. Now I'm off to play Dota 2. | ||
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Been on him since day one. I know his 3rd party, I don't know what power he has so I roleblocked him. Voting thread says alot of stuff. | ||
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or my 3rd party read on nisani201? | ||
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I'm not scum. A scum xsksc wouldn't kill ghost either. Scum win-con is when scum outnumbers town. Third parties doesn't count. Why kill ghost then? He could get a mislynch on me today, kill someone tonight and try to get a plurality lynch tomorrow. But all these would have been been even faster accomplished had he killed someone last night. I don't know. | ||
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If you didnt get my point. xsksc was a bigger suspect than ghost. Him getting a mislynch on town yesterday would result in an 3v1v3 situation after tonight Which would place all his winning chance on convincing 3rd party to vote with him. But somehow the lynch got shifted and got a 3rd party lynched instead. But bear in mind he was okay with any 3rd party but at the same time trying to get me lynched to get into his favorable situation. That didn't happen so this means we win tomorrow when we lynch him or by some mechanics he have 2 KP tonight. | ||
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Which would place all his winning chance on convincing 3rd party to vote with him. | ||
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by the way i already sent in my roleblock this morning when i realize you were not lynched. Mod could be witness if he wants to but i doubt he will | ||
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No. | ||
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If we are still confident that SnB and Hiro will help us after yesterday. | ||
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On June 26 2012 16:42 xsksc wrote: A mod told me he's red, and he's a Lannister. Other than that - This has been his only post since I claimed the anti-town result on him, I believe. That in itself is suspicious. He either doesn't give a shit, or he's given up. He doesn't seem to have thought it through - if I mislynched him there and he flipped town, I am instantly dead the next day, so if I wanted to win the game, why would I claim the anti-town result? I have locked myself into Hyaachs fate by doing that, at the best I'll get a 1 for 1 exchange, which totally sucks for scum, especially considering there was no night kill. I love how you quote my posts and forget what i write in them very soon after. That's what I can't explain. Using your own logic against you. If I am scum as you claim. why didn't i shoot yesterday night? | ||
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I'm not checking the WIFOM central yesterday but i'm pretty sure I got called out yesterday too and magic did not happen then. Why? because I was so sure of your lynch yesterday. Hell i just checked timing yesterday and before i slept. you still had 6 votes on you. If time matters so much, check the timings. 1 hour apart. yes time when i'm actually free. | ||
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On June 22 2012 05:25 Zephirdd wrote: Only if said scum does not have/does not use another action that night. In essence, a roleblocker stops One ability, where "Role" ability takes priority over "Faction" ability. and last time i got into tin hat mode. i got my ass bitten so hard and if those scenarios do happen, we've pretty much lost anyway. (TL LV mafia) | ||
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And for me to RB faction KP, xsksc has to be goon. What's the possibility of that? | ||
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