iGrok's Good Clean Old-fashioned Mafia - Page 33

On June 15 2012 07:21 gonzaw wrote:
What have you concluded about Greymist and Wiggles so far Radfield?

On June 12 2012 02:16 chaoser wrote:
I'm ok with either a MZ lynch or a BB/wiggles lynch. This is an invite only game that was very exclusive from what I can tell from pre-game and so for people to be as inactive as BB or wiggles are is very disappointing.

But even then, lynch wise it would be greymist>>>MZ>>>>>>>>>>BB/Wiggles

On June 15 2012 07:40 gonzaw wrote:
chaoser seems to be legitimately inactive I think.

I don't think he'd purposefully lurk like this as scum, considering that he hasn't been lurking at all on D1/N1 either.
If he doesn't show up he'll get modkilled as well, so he HAS to show up if he was indeed lurking as scum, and he'd get insane pressure on top of him after doing so.

It still bothers me that he isn't here, specially when half the players in this game disappear as well.

@Wiggles: What in particular makes Hesmyrr your 2nd preferable lynch than, say, Radfield or someone else?


You only mentioned him not committing his stance on D1 with a vote and you not liking his case on VE.
What else?

Thread Analysis:
He was the 1st to post and seemed non-chalant about it. He jumped on the RNG thing without fear or hesitation, just like a bored townie trying to pass time with that thing. I think he's town for now (page 11).
His suspicion of Grey is not that good...but the way he pulls it off seems townie to me. Yes, he ignores my case, and the rest of Grey's behaviour, but I don't think he'd do that as scum, if he was scum I think he'd take the safe way out and refer to my case, or talk more about Grey instead of just risking getting attention onto him by FoSing him over some wording and his reaction to it.
For now he's active in the thread. When MZ says something about Rad, he immediately steps in and asks for reasoning. Seems townie.
Page 14: The fact that he is willing to give Grey the benefit of the doubt makes me sure he's town. There'd be no reason for him to do that as scum. He is stil part of the discussions and cares about town
Page 16: He's still active in conversations and in discussions. Yeah most likely town.
Page 19: I agree with what he says about Palmar. Makes sense, is not disruptive.

On June 15 2012 08:06 Radfield wrote:
I also liked how he backed off Greymist.... but then he goes right back onto him. Yes, the time that Chaoser allotted Greymist passes(he gave him X amount of time to step up his game), but in that time Chaoser makes no attempt to move his focus off greymist, or to look for scum elsewhere. In fact, if you read his filter chronologically he never really skips a beat in his Greymist condemnation.

I also don't really mind his RNG stuff at all, even though it's a bit strange. If anything, it's the strangeness that makes it seem townie, as it had potential to throw unnecessary suspicion on him, yet he did it anyways. Generally scum avoid stuff like that.

On June 15 2012 08:07 Radfield wrote:
MZ's fail post was saying that he found VE scummy but didn't want to lynch him because of previous mislynches.

Wiggles wrote of chaoser:
First, he did that weird thing with the RNG. I have no idea how that was supposed to work though, because RNG doesn't work with just someone posting a number and saying that's who we're lynching. But, after not enough people supported him, and I called him out on it, he says that it was for pressure and to see how Ace reacted. That sounds silly though, because the pressure would always be weak, and Ace didn't back off RNG but Chaoser still pushed him for it. Like I said, false pressure.

Second, I don't understand his initial case on Grey at all. I don't know what he means by "you show no suspicion to the usage of terms", but I guess he's saying that he's not suspicious of different names and that makes him scummy? But this is an iGrok game. I lost Sleeper Cell I because I lynched a guy for having a green bolded name when no one else did. I learned my lesson, and I know iGrok has done similar things in lots of his games since then with regards to flavour and role name, because flavour hunting is just stupid. So, it makes sense for GreY not to necessarily question that they have different names, which makes Chaoser's accusation weird and off-base. Then he calls out GreY for wanting to lynch me and not MZ. The thing is though, there's nothing stopping GreY from thinking I made a bad post even if MZ made a worse post, so that's not really a valid for saying he's scum. Just because something is worse than something else doesn't mean that other thing can't still be bad (On a side note, I don't think my post was bad, this is from GreY's PoV ). So again, I don't like Chaoser's reasoning for voting GreY.

Third, Chaoser didn't change his vote from GreY to MZ. There wasn't enough support for the GreY lynch it seemed, and the votes between Palmar and MZ were very close. Chaoser said he'd prefer an MZ lynch after a GreY lynch, and that he thought Palmar was playing well. However, he never ended up changing his vote to ensure someone he thought was scummy would get lynched instead of someone he thought was playing well. That stinks.

It doesn't matter that MZ flipped town, because he wouldn't have known it at the time unless he was scum. I'm saying that a townie would have changed their vote when they saw their first candidate wasn't getting lynched in order to get their second scum candidate lynched and to avoid the lynch of someone they think is playing well/town. He doesn't do that though. That way he doesn't take any of the heat for mislynching MZ. He avoids responsibility completely, while looking like he did something on Day 1. He said MZ was his second choice, but he never voted for him, so there's nothing to actually hold him to that read.