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gonzaw
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BrownBear
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gonzaw
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Scum: Greymist Wiggles SK: chaoser Before night ends I'll reread filters again and see if I can make sense of this. | ||
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gonzaw
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Beware of who scum push. Scum HAVE to lynch the SK at some point, and I doubt they'll be happy leaving him alive forever and let him be the last lynch since if they ever get to close to victory he can shoot into them. So I think that scum may have started to or may start to push for a SK lynch (as in, they genuinely believe someone is SK and are pushing for his lynch, they could always be wrong about who they believe is SK though). I dunno why but my gut feeling says that's what's happening with Wiggles/other people pushing chaoser. But like I said, I'll reread things later so take this with a grain of salt it's just a hunch. | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
On June 15 2012 11:15 gonzaw wrote: Oh people, another thing: Beware of who scum push. Scum HAVE to lynch the SK at some point, and I doubt they'll be happy leaving him alive forever and let him be the last lynch since if they ever get to close to victory he can shoot into them. So I think that scum may have started to or may start to push for a SK lynch (as in, they genuinely believe someone is SK and are pushing for his lynch, they could always be wrong about who they believe is SK though). I dunno why but my gut feeling says that's what's happening with Wiggles/other people pushing chaoser. But like I said, I'll reread things later so take this with a grain of salt it's just a hunch. Ask yourself, what purpose does discussing this serve | ||
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gonzaw
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On June 15 2012 11:34 GreYMisT wrote: Ask yourself, what purpose does discussing this serve Finding the SK, what else? | ||
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GreYMisT
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yea but the majority of this post isnt about finding the SK. Sure it looks that way, but really you are saying that scum want the SK dead. news flash, scum want us all dead. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
For instance, scum could very well do with me surviving until a 2-2 phase, they don't give a shit as long as they kill/lynch other townies. So they don't really give a shit about killing me or forcing my lynch, but they'd do it only if it's in their best interests. However, they NEED to kill the SK, it's not just one guy they can take care of only if it benefits them. They actively need to search for him, and not only that, but need to get him lynched (since he's bulletproof at night). So yeah, scum will most likely start to hunt the SK and force his lynch, and I don't see how it isn't be good for town to know this. I wonder what you think of Hes' flip Grey though, and what made you start this conversation in the first place (do you think I'm scum for bringing it up?) | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
On June 15 2012 12:01 gonzaw wrote: No, that's not true. For instance, scum could very well do with me surviving until a 2-2 phase, they don't give a shit as long as they kill/lynch other townies. So they don't really give a shit about killing me or forcing my lynch, but they'd do it only if it's in their best interests. However, they NEED to kill the SK, it's not just one guy they can take care of only if it benefits them. They actively need to search for him, and not only that, but need to get him lynched (since he's bulletproof at night). So yeah, scum will most likely start to hunt the SK and force his lynch, and I don't see how it isn't be good for town to know this. I wonder what you think of Hes' flip Grey though, and what made you start this conversation in the first place (do you think I'm scum for bringing it up?) The problem is that you assume the scum KNOW who the crazed fiend is, where they need to shoot him. Im bringing it up because I felt as though you were beginning to assume too much. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On June 15 2012 11:56 GreYMisT wrote: yea but the majority of this post isnt about finding the SK. Sure it looks that way, but really you are saying that scum want the SK dead. news flash, scum want us all dead. No...scum don't instantly know who the SK is...but they need to find him, and they do need to get him lynched afterwards. When we lynch some scum in the future, we can use this info to see who he was pushing..and if we find he was legitimately pushing someone with good reasons, then that guy is probably SK (or is probably the guy they thought was SK). You are still dodging the issue, what do you think of this Hes flip? (and why start this semi-pointless argument?) | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
On June 15 2012 12:08 gonzaw wrote: I sure got those vibes when you said this: No...scum don't instantly know who the SK is...but they need to find him, and they do need to get him lynched afterwards. When we lynch some scum in the future, we can use this info to see who he was pushing..and if we find he was legitimately pushing someone with good reasons, then that guy is probably SK (or is probably the guy they thought was SK). You are still dodging the issue, what do you think of this Hes flip? (and why start this semi-pointless argument?) I told you? You are assuming too much can be read from too little. And hes flipped VT, which means I was wrong, which means he thought that VE was scum, changed his mind, and wasnt here at all to contribute. | ||
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gonzaw
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Wife-"Hey honey! How was your day!" Husband-"Oh, hes flipped VT, which means I was wrong, which means he thought that VE was scum, changed his mind, and wasn't here at all to contribute, you know, the usual stuff" Really dude? Like, he just flipped VT and you have nothing else to say? How about it completely changing your reads? How about the flip making you desperate because you know tomorrow is LYLO and we need to catch scum fast? How about it phasing you at all in any way? | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
On June 15 2012 13:16 gonzaw wrote: Yeah, you say that so casually that it looks like a normal Thursday. Wife-"Hey honey! How was your day!" Husband-"Oh, hes flipped VT, which means I was wrong, which means he thought that VE was scum, changed his mind, and wasn't here at all to contribute, you know, the usual stuff" Really dude? Like, he just flipped VT and you have nothing else to say? How about it completely changing your reads? How about the flip making you desperate because you know tomorrow is LYLO and we need to catch scum fast? How about it phasing you at all in any way? Do you want me to flip my shit? He flipped VT, it is what it is, I will reevaluate. | ||
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gonzaw
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Any townie whose FoS just flipped VT would at least feel something and would at least start to think differently. What are your immediate thoughts right now? Like, what is the first thing that crossed your mind when you saw him flip? "Damn I was sure X was town but now I think he may be scum" perhaps? Or "Okay, doesn't matter I already I thought X was a little bit suspicious so now I can still have a coherent scum team and I don't need to change my reads too much" ? Or maybe "AOJALKD WTF??? Okay I give up" ? You are just acting like you don't even care about his flip...or like you expected it. | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
On June 15 2012 14:20 gonzaw wrote: I want you to react. Any townie whose FoS just flipped VT would at least feel something and would at least start to think differently. What are your immediate thoughts right now? Like, what is the first thing that crossed your mind when you saw him flip? "Damn I was sure X was town but now I think he may be scum" perhaps? Or "Okay, doesn't matter I already I thought X was a little bit suspicious so now I can still have a coherent scum team and I don't need to change my reads too much" ? Or maybe "AOJALKD WTF??? Okay I give up" ? You are just acting like you don't even care about his flip...or like you expected it. It was cute day 1, now its just old | ||
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Radfield
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You were stating that I was your strongest town read, and was displaying none of the characteristics that usually mean I'm scum. Yet after I make a single gut read on VE, in what was obviously a knee-jerk from me(I had made it clear I hadn't gone over his filter), you railroad me. Basically the same thing has happened before, only more egregiously, yet you did not react this way. I built a big case on prplhz, you told me that prplhz was probably town, and I reevaluated. No conclusions drawn about MY alignment either way. Yet here you're basing your read of me based on my read of VE, when the case VE put forward was particularly bad(containing blatant falsehoods and complete non-tells). I reacted poorly, yet you then abandoned all pretense of scum-hunting and plopped your vote on me.... a player you had JUST gone to great lengths to state his towniness. Additionally, I don't like this: On June 13 2012 18:27 Palmar wrote: btw, I noticed I actually forgot about Hesmyrr in my night post... that's not good for him. On June 14 2012 18:56 Palmar wrote: I'm not sure I like the hesmyrr lynch. The fact that I forgot about him in my nightpost means that he's not doing anything of value, or I'd remember, and he seems to kinda avoid confrontations, but he was also stupid in a pretty townie way early in the game. It's subtle, but I don't like the tone change between these two posts. In A) you're forgetting him is a bad sign for Hesmyrr. In B) the fact that you forgot him is being used as a point in his favor. I also don't like this: I still think gonzaw is scum, I don't think BB is scum anymore, mostly by virtue of almost everyone else looking worse than him. If I was playing resistance I'd be suggesting a team that doesn't include gonzaw/rad/wiggles/chaoser, picking from the other players instead. For safety I'd probably not include hesmyrr either. 1, that's a bad reason to not think BB is scum anymore. 2, that's a cop-out way of casting suspicion on people, and is basically you just stating that you think VE, Greymist and BB are town. I'm really not sure yet on Palmar, but whereas I was leaning quite strongly town on him before rereading, I'm leaning the other way now. I'd really like to see your case on Gonzaw Palmar. You've been touting him as scummy for a while, yet haven't actually brought up any points against him. | ||
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Radfield
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Radfield
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Radfield
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On June 15 2012 11:00 BrownBear wrote: Fuck... What kind of homework have you done this game Brownbear. Who's filters have you been reading? Have you reread the thread at all? I'm curious. | ||
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Radfield
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I'm not saying that makes an iron-clad case, but it's solid scum play. | ||
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