EPTand here I was hipster and voted for pyp when it was 1-7 before it was cool
and I see flamewheel just made his (trademark) contribution.
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and here I was hipster and voted for pyp when it was 1-7 before it was cool and I see flamewheel just made his (trademark) contribution. | ||
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On May 06 2012 03:06 GMarshal wrote: Additional GMarshal rules If you read nothing else, read this 1.) Play nice. This is a refined game, I expect you all to behave like Gentlemen (or Ladies, as the case may be). I will not hesitate to modkill or outright ban you for excessive behavior, this includes abusive language and personal attacks. I don't mind you saying "fuck" every once in a while, I don't want to see "FUCKING DIPISHIT, FUCK MAFIA FUCKING SPAM FUCK FUCK FUCK DICKNIPPLES". I'm tired of that kind of shit. Standard tl behavior rules. No personal attacks. The occasional "you idiot T.T" or such post (especially if warranted) is ok, no more than that though. 2.) Don't spam. This isn't IRC, try to consolidate your posts, its horrible when pages 20-80 are all one line posts between two players yelling at each other 3.) Activity. Yes, the guideline is one post per cycle and a vote, but I'll be disappoined if that is the most you do. I do keep track of activity levels, so if you are really inactive I'll make sure you don't get invited to any of my future invitationals, or get preference in signups. Too inactive and I might blacklist you altogether. 4.) Memes and Gifs. Zero tolerance pretty much, as in elsewhere on tl, I will not allow them. Pictures that are not memes are generally ok. No memes (u mad?) or stupid gifs or meme based image macros. Its stupid and belongs on 4chan. 5.) Have fun. This is a game, the point is to enjoy yourself, so by all means, roleplay to your hearts content, lynch mafia, kill townies, dance and have a ball, there is no point in stressing out over a game. So if I understand rule 4 and 1 correctly and I'll attempt to adress them in one stone. It would be wildly inapropriate for me to post something like this when the game starts? ![[image loading]](http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvbesyafep1qafrh6.gif) | ||
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On May 08 2012 20:30 Zephirdd wrote: seems like there is no compulsive vig tho  what hapens with town GFs and scum Traitors? a scum Traitor would be pretty fucking awesome IMO. When targeted by night actions, becomes town. Except he can communicate with scum! Maybe it should have a limitation tho, which is "cannot claim their teammates without a real case, otherwise town loses" :D Or just disallow scum traitors. The way I understood it Mafia-roles can only be picked by mafia. | ||
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Well I'm taking those and hope noone will doom us both by trying to steal them :p | ||
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On May 15 2012 01:32 deconduo wrote: Heya I'm picking [1,1] and I'm gonna take godfather if I'm unopposed. Why? The main reason is thatl it denies mafia (and SK) a pretty powerful role, and means that any DT checks become a lot more reliable. I also wanted to play an unusual class this time. But what if I'm scum? Well the power of the godfather role arises from the fact that town don't know who has it. Any clean DT check is unreliable, and any lynch could give mafia a free kill. However if town knows exactly who the godfather is, nearly all of the role's power is negated. Its a win/win either way. If you're scum nothing stops you from picking another role secretly and let one of your buddies pick gf later. But I like this plan. Mainly because I think you're town due to if you were scum you would had actually thought it through and realised that. | ||
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On May 15 2012 02:08 hiro protagonist wrote: I agree with the denial plan. @mattchew the problem with assigning all the roles is that there are roles that we dont want mafia to know who has it AKA doctor/cop/ext. I think a well thought out listing of teired roles sould be used after the denial roles. That way, there should be less overlap of town roles picked, and Mafia does not know who has what. something like picks 1-4 = denial roles 5-10 = tier 1 roles 11-15 = tier 2 roles 16-20 = tier 3 roles whats everyones thoughts on that? I don't like it. It's just making it easier for the mafia to get powerroles they want. Remember they only got 4 picks. | ||
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On May 15 2012 02:17 hiro protagonist wrote: The point of a tiered system is to maximize the amount of roles town gets. Without some kind of picking plan, we could end up with alot of Vanilla townies. also, we are still denying OP mafia roles. No. It will just allow scum to pick freely in lower tires and aside from assisting the scum locate which blues are where multiple people in the in the same tier will likely accidently go for the same role and end up vanilla anyway . | ||
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On May 15 2012 02:48 Barundar wrote: Denying roles worked best in the last game I played, PYP:Interesting I think it was. I picked a recruiter GF at the number 3 pick spot in that game, but looking back I should have picked a CPR doc since it went to a mafia low down in the picking instead. That said I'm completely behind Sandrobas list. While on denying roles, copy cat is a very powerful mafia role, and it's not boring town role, so definitely consider it if you end up in the just below top range. (for those unsure why it's a good mafia role, town tends to spill what roles they have early, they can then snipe the roles they need and pick it up.) And I'm already fairly certain we have a town sandro this game based on his offensive planning and intensive questioning. While it's not something we have to decide yet, I would totally get behind a CPR on sandro, mass medic backup snipe game. While I agree we need to randomize our powerroles, PYP:I was also super easy because we maxed out blue roles. Without being too specific to avoid snipes, if you end up lowish in the list please pickup heroes like medics and be a hero, even if it's not a superman you can still win the game for us. Don't be afraid to pick up stuff like role cop either, you can tell a lot from peoples alignment through their roles, in the PYP's I have played mafia has never been afraid to pick mafia power roles. And lastly, regarding the traitor. I know some people got dissapointed when they didn't get a mafia role. Let me just say in all the PYP's so far, someone else has picked traitor as well, and when they didnt get it claimed in thread. Very easy to hunt down the guilty person from a short list then. So much pickdirecting... | ||
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It's never to early to discuss scumreads. For instance we should probably shoot palmar from trolling which is him scumclaiming. | ||
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On May 16 2012 21:44 Bluelightz wrote: Umm, risk plz explain this post by answering these questions, this post is just random baseless bullshit thrown into the thread. Why is denying cpr stupid? Why is Janitor more dangerous? Why does Toad got no idea what he's talking about? The Janitor is dangerous because everything that hides information is a bitch for town to work with. Furthermore when information gets hidden people tend to forget what's important and spend the day busting out useless theories which will sidetrack investigations and scumhunting. Likewise the framer is tough to deal with due to how people tend to handle it. About the cpr. First lets just establish the cpr. It's a powerrole. We can just say it's conditioned vigilante. And a vigiliante is a very good role to have as town. This game is a 3way due to the serialkiller. And as in any multi-team battle it's more important to strenghten your own team then weakening one of the enemy teams. Numbers will always work against the numerously leading team. Saying vigilantes should never be used because it will shorten the game is dumb, super dumb and even dumber then that. The scumteam will have a much better idea of what powerroles are where and set the pace of this game. Trying to pick powerroles to for a specific playstyle (Delaying the game) will only block us and bite us in the ass. And please don't discuss what roles which team wants to pick. Most of it is common sense but discussing that informations only purpose will be to make it easier for the mafia to choose their picks. If you want to discuss shit, discuss scumreads. | ||
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On May 16 2012 23:18 marvellosity wrote: Stupid argument. If you're strengthening your team by a tiny bit but weakening the primary opposing faction by a huge amount, your argument is shit. No you're an idiot because you're scared shitless the mafia "might" get the cpr, which is pretty damn unlikely to begin with. It will be easy to figure out if the cpr is in the hands of mafia or town. And since people should and will try to go for the cpr we will know it's one in the top branch who have the powerrole. So finding a mafia cpr won't be that bloody hard after 2 nights so they will likely not even risk their resources trying to go for that role. | ||
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On May 16 2012 23:38 marvellosity wrote: you may be confusing confused and panicking for better informed How much better informed will they be after 8 hours of day 1 discussion. Not much. | ||
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On May 16 2012 23:51 marvellosity wrote: More to the point, why do you think they'd be confused and panicking? Is this what typically happens after 8 hours of day 1 discussion? I said it wont affect them at all if you bothered to read before you spurted out your bunch of nonsense. You claim us discussing them will affect their rolepicks? I find that very unlikely since their picks will be determined by their positions in the draft and what they think they can get. They can't simply trade roles between eachother and give a player who's more heavily scrutinised a certain role. And if they start doing that they will have less time to think about their new roles to pick. | ||
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On May 17 2012 00:02 marvellosity wrote: Accusing me of not reading when you're the one who had an entire day to raise objections to the plan being raised and yet sat there twiddling your silly little thumbs. Nice. Why I did not read the thread last night is completely irrelevant to you not reading the posts of the person you are arguing with. Now don't | ||
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On May 17 2012 00:08 Qatol wrote: That's why I asked for comments. Can you explain why in depth? I'm of the opinion that any information about what roles will be where will just benefit the mafia more then the town because townies don't need to know where other townie powerroles more likely are. And by trying to work around that as you say (discuss picks you might self take) you're just setting traps for other townies to fall in or nullifying everything and to some extent inform the mafia how your minds think. Best case scenario the posts are worthless and all they did was making the thread heavier to read. | ||
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On May 17 2012 00:55 Toadesstern wrote: Back home: Because it's no problem at all and we got a pefect solution for the risk thing. I would not have explained this if it was really troublesome. Here's what we got: If Risk is Mafia he picks janitor because it's good. If we see someone use that power, we lynch him = gg because we lynched a mafia If Risk is Town he either sticks with the plan and will never use the janitor and therefor be one of the most powerful blue roles we've got = gg, that's what we want If Risk is town and seriously considering Traitor we lynch him the moment we see a janitor = gg. We either completly denied the Janitor although Risk picked Traitor because if they use it risk is dead or we lynched a Traitor. If Risk is town and picking something else that is not Traitor he's playing against his wincon. That's why I explained it. I have no idea what's going on in his mind but it's not even an issue. And the biggest problem for our plan is if #1 or #2 picks Traitor. However with Risks posting we have a DAMN GOOD reason for both of them not to pick traitor. Risk gets lynched if he picks traitor and #1 is scared as shit that Risk might really pick traitor. If #1 picks traitor and #2 picks traitor as well (as he claimed) we have a townie who knows of a townie that is Traitor. #1 simply can't risk that and has to stick with the plan #2 has to pick Janitor or he gets lynched So while Risks post looks incredible bad (for reasons I already mentioned) I don't actually have a problem with that because that very post is forcing him and #1 to stick with the plan and therefore incredible pro-town although it might not be intended that way :p Still catching up. Will post on the fly. This is called selective reasoning. And my response to that is. Haha no. | ||
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I still don't understand your reasoning to why you think I would pick traitor. You're just wifoming your own head dizzy. I'm not going to pick janitor. I'm not just saying I'm not going to pick janitor, I'm really not goin to pick janitor what are you going to do about that toad? | ||
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If I were mafia I would never bitch like this because I'm bringing alot of attention on to myself. Toad needs to understand that saying something is the logical conclusion does not make it the logical conclusion. | ||
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On May 17 2012 02:20 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: So if #3 guy checks #1 and #2 by randoming CPR/Janitor and doesn't report anything, would it be a good idea to have him checked by one of the investigators? But SK is invulnerable at night. All you would have to do is play town, generally blend in, and you could have a field day. I actually hadn't red the SK role-pm. Had no idea he was bulletproof. That's a mess. | ||
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Oh and I warned you I'm not playing along your shit plan. Don't come whining later. | ||
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Blue: I agree with you toad but lynching on meta day 1 haven't worked in the past. Qatol: He's said several things that I really don't like and disagree with but he's one of the most active players so not the best lynch candidate for now. | ||
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On May 18 2012 04:07 risk.nuke wrote: So you tried to take Janitor? ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel Ebwop: ##Pause Vote. I thought he was right behind me in the draft. | ||
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On May 18 2012 04:10 risk.nuke wrote: Ebwop: ##Pause Vote. I thought he was right behind me in the draft. ##Unpause Vote Okey Marv if you lied and said you weren't Janitor to try to absorb a bullet or some other reason you need to tell us. | ||
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Why would I pick Janitor and then deny it. Especially if I was mafia. Hypothetically If I was mafia I would had belived Sentinel was going to pick it so if I were to take it he would confirm that I had it so I could never have used the abillity. But by picking it and denying it (rather then picking any role I wanted) the best thing I could hope for is a 1:1 trade. | ||
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On May 17 2012 23:26 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: 5 hours later.I did not get janitor  I would say that if scum have a copycat there are prolly more scums in the lower end of the draft. If they were high up they'd rather go for guaranteed power roles like decon did or try to deny town of powers. Either way I'd reckon the copycat is in the bottom ten of the draft. On May 18 2012 04:05 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: 6 hours later.Sorry bout that, was in school. Anyways. I am Vanilla Town and not Janitor. So I'm claiming either risk or marvel is the janitor. And I don't trust risk. Because risk does not like the plan. On May 18 2012 10:21 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: This post is an excuse and likely a lie. He wanted to be sure it was me and not marv but he haven't done any interrogation. Contrary, he have hardly posted at all and he haven't posted a single argument.Sorry for lateness. I was leaning risk but I wanted to make sure it was him and not marv. Since I'm vanilla and it seems like the possibility more and more as time goes on, risk it is. ##Vote: risk.nuke | ||
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On May 18 2012 21:45 Palmar wrote: Yes but you aren't dumb enough to not understand why this doesn't apply to everyone. Yeah But I DO Know what I know even if you don't. So it's folly to support your plan just to satisfy your need-to-know egos. This is the worst case scenario: Sentinel is either a vanilla and then I know marv is the janitor. Here is my view on your plan. If there was a 50/50 chance between sentinel and marv then I might claim. But the odds are heavily in favor of sentinel beeing scum so I don't see how the best course of action is to out blues power for that small chance of saving a vanilla. | ||
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While yes I may act arrogant but I'm only an arrogant stubborn hardass when I think I'm right and only aslong as I think I'm right. If you see things differently it's not my fault if you can't persuade me just like it's not the customers fault if the salesman can't sell his product. | ||
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On May 19 2012 03:13 Bluelightz wrote: Marv, to seal your credibility, would you claim your partner? imo, if you claim your partner, if one of you dies and flip's town (your partner)/ mason(you) that mean's we have a confirmed town. Don't there is no point of that. Bluelightz that is wrong on several points. | ||
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On May 19 2012 05:52 marvellosity wrote: I thought it might be Sentinel but my gut is saying risk atm. Look what his claim has forced us to do? Look what risk did by just not choosing janitor in #2 spot. That's worse. Hypocritical of me I know. Sorry but isn't the current situation good for town. We keep saying how dumb this move was for scum. I can't understand how you seem to think it's bad for town and bad for scum. Does this somehow benefit the SK or what are you talking about? | ||
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On May 19 2012 07:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I'm scum and I'm giving up now. Hope you guys suddenly loose all pretense of sanity and lynch risk. If not, it's been a fun game. Fixed. | ||
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And lol at PaqMan voting and then confessing you're not done reading the thread. I'mnot a proffesor but this man seems to have an agenda. Voting first, finding reasons after. And double lol at Palmar confirming beeing the SK. Roleblock and vig him tonight. | ||
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As for why he is sk. As town Palmar is serious busniess. As mafia he can be both serious and lazy depending on his mood. As third party he's a troll. Right now the scum is falling apart, this isn't good for the sk who wants to maintain a balance. Not lynching sentinel today will continue the chaos that's come from our triangle drama for another cycle. | ||
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On May 19 2012 10:42 slOosh wrote: Then risk is pretty much a liar huh? No but since you're an idiot I'm going to break the current situation down to you. deconduo: dead confirmed cpr mafia risk.nuke: claimed vigilante marvellosity: claimed mason [UoN]Sentinel: claimed to have tried to pick janitor and didn't get it hence vanilla townie Mattchew: Confirmed Day Vigilante zelblade: claims JOAT | ||
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Nightpost - Night 1 Sentinel the mafia JOAT has been lynched[Picture Here] Nite | ||
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Palmar the only excuse I "might" had been able to buy from you would have been a "sorry I haven't cared about this game". Your neglect to have any input on any plans, lack of scumhunting continuous support for bad plans and dumb actions just isn't possible from town a perspective. As much as I would love to kill palmar I think it's too complicated for me to do it when we don't know where the roles are. I think a better plan would be to say. Jailer, Roleblocker and Angry Vigilante should all go for him and see if they can manage to take him out. With 2 scum in the upper draft dead and the current situation I'm thinking about if maybe it would be good to do an organized mass roleclaim. I'm thinking we start at the bottom of the draft with Sandroba and after he's posted what role he sent in it's Qatols turn. When he have posted it's clear for snarfs to go etc. The manner of the roleclaim I think should be What role you sent in. OBS: Not if you got it or not. Thoughts? | ||
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On May 19 2012 19:17 Barundar wrote: mass claim at night=bad. We got enough information for at least a lynch tomorrow imo. I don't understand why you won't shoot palmar but an angry vigi should? For the record, angry vigi can't shoot at first night. Angry vigs can shoot through a Jailer. If I try to shoot Palmar tonight and he doesn't die there are atleast 5 rolest that might have caused that. Jailer-RB-CC:CPR-Traitor-Witch. And obviously we're not doing the claim untill after the daypost. Now I just want to discuss it. | ||
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And don't be fooled by people voting for sentinel. It's not that hard to understand that he would had died eventually and that scum might have chosen to get on him earlier to make themselves look better. I'm not saying it is so but you have to take that possibility into consideration. Noting is absolute. Marv: I'm not going to shoot you. It's just something the morons got in their head because they are morons and either can't follow a simple train of thoughts or are just not caring to read my filter. And where are you Sandroba? | ||
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And you avoided answering what you thought about roleclaiming. Ofcourse we're not doing it tonight. What part of what I said made you believe I wanted to do it tonight? I'm not asking you to roleclaim now. I'm asking if you think it's a good move or a bad move. | ||
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What I mainly hope to learn from it is what did Player try to go for and does that make sense from his point of view. Mafia and town might try to denie some roles from eachother but their agendas are not aligned so a roleclaim will for example let us see suspicous picks. | ||
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If we're also loosing the day lynch. I mean just that. The trade, a vig shot for a lynch doesn't exacly favor the town. You could argue that trading a lynch for a dead mafia favored us but would town had lost the lynch if I had shot a townie? beeing selective about it depending on the outcome doesn't seem fair. Not to mention we're also loosing the discussion time and if we wanted to our opportunity to roleclaim before the night. And from a technical point of view I didn't shoot him. You just declared him dead and to cover up replaced our lynch with him. So I should get my shot refunded. Please reconsider. p.s. get well soon GM <3 | ||
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Palmar early on you thought zepphird was town. Do you still feel that way and why? And who do you think is most likely the last scum and do you have any guess to who is the SK? Sandroba, Mattchew & Qatol: Same questions. And someone knows when the deadline is. I thought it was last night. | ||
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Roleclaiming: Yes the mafia can tell the truth which is what I always hoped for. With my ladder idea the roleclaim was never designed to create a Sent situation. It was designed to truthfully determine who picked what role and then we will to determine if someones claim and and actions are suspicious from a town perspective. And outing the last blues is hardly dangerous, we already have an outed vigilante, a jailer (who the medic should bloody well protect tonight, no wifom. Do it!), two confirmed masons if marv have the brains to claim before one of them dies. | ||
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On May 22 2012 03:27 Mattchew wrote: you have another shot right? barundar seems like a good target I got too many good targets and too few bullets. | ||
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Most of you got bloody butthurt because of that and nearly mislynched me despite I was the without a question the least likely to be the scum. If you had just been able to produce the slightest amount of common sense you had seen how Sentinel was clearly the most suspicious which I think snarf was the one to quickly point out. | ||
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On May 22 2012 06:30 hiro protagonist wrote: also, zelblade is the last scum me thinks What do you base that on? | ||
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Bluelights was hardly shot because he was looking towny so the case on Barundar and his posts deffinitly deserves another look. We're claiming today. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [Mainpost] + On May 18 2012 03:36 Snarfs wrote: Sentinel said he would take Janitor if he had to: risk made it quite clear he was not going to cooperate. Then Sentinel tries to make it sound like he attempted to pick the janitor role by adding a frowny face: When in fact we now know that the Janitor was not picked by anyone in the top 4. Sentinel lied then tried to make it seem like he didn't lie without actually lying anymore. That's good enough for a day 1 lynch to me. ##Vote [UoN]Sentinel + Show Spoiler [Example backup post] + On May 18 2012 04:47 Snarfs wrote: I clearly posted that with the assumption that risk.nuke was telling the truth. Now that there is new information, I am open to either a risk.nuke lynch or a Sentinel lynch. However, I still believe that the wording in Sentinel's posts seemed deceptive; whereas, risk.nuke has been completely clear and straightforward in his decision making. | ||
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But I feel sandroba is most likely the final scum by alot. He's just been excusing himself, put no effort into finding scum. disappearing, heavy lurking. And he is supposed to be the best town player in the game. He occasionally shows up with an idea but even then he's mainly just mentioning something and doesn't really push for it which differs from how he pushes plans as town. | ||
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In the end truthfully I wasn't feeling confident on zelblade either after I died but as Mattchew said, there was to much time not to second guess and go paranoid. I guess this game needs to end in a draw. 1 thing I still have a problem with was the turning my vig-shot into a lynch and cancelling the day. I can understand that something might be done since the host messed up. The mafia benefited greatly from that trade which you could really see in the lategame when we had less information to scumhunt with. Then on top of that you also took away our vig shot. I have a theory about this and that is that chaoser purposefully favored the scum more then neccersary and more then was fair because the scumteam had lost 3/4 of their team and was loosing badly. This is unacceptable. The mods can't be allowed for any reason to interfere in the game and rebalance it or give a side more or less help depending on how good or bad their position is. | ||
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risk.nuke
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On June 08 2012 04:47 Mattchew wrote: You fail to realize him dying was a town benefit then... You also fail to realize that you were basically confirmed town (and vig) and qatol was confirmed jk... The amount of benefits given to through this mistake far outweighed The missing of 1 lynch What you call huge town benefits was actually just forcing us to to out our vig and jk. And it did not reveal or confirm our alignments. Want to try again? | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
On June 08 2012 05:55 Mattchew wrote: I'm sorry you wanted more power and it wasnt given to you but you are looking really petty and selfish right now If that's what you think my angle is, well I'm sorry you can't see further then that. I legitimatly believe chaoser favored mafia. | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
On June 08 2012 04:58 chaoser wrote: If the person you shot was town I would have done the same thing. Your shot would not have been returned. Regardless of all that though, town gained a huge advantage from the mistake and mafia did not "greatly" benefit from it as much as you think. Also, losing* If I shot a random townie we would had lost our lynch. I don't buy that. That doesn't sound fair anywhere. | ||
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