Pick Your Power: Redux

On May 15 2012 01:58 sandroba wrote:
@decon I asked this already and they are informed. I fail to see how dropping godfather is good. Means that if gf is ever killed we get a bonus mafia for free.
@toad tell me how assigning cpr will help to keep it off mafia hands. GF is strong because it's imunity to checks + 1 free kill. But it's way stronger as mafia so that's why it's in the denial plan. Unlike cpr which is strong as both alignments.

On May 16 2012 18:22 Palmar wrote:
I hereby define everything that's been said in the thread as pointless spam.

On May 16 2012 19:04 deconduo wrote:
[1,1] Almost changed at the last minute but decided against it. Glad I didn't now



CPR and Janitor are probably the most dangerous mafia roles, so we want to know exactly where they are and who has them. This is why we assigned them to #1 and #2 picks. This is fine if town are #1 and #2, but if there is a mafia there, they can claim they picked CPR/janitor, when in reality they picked some other good mafia role, and had a teammate who is at the bottom of the draft pick CPR/janitor instead. This way they get 2 strong roles instead of 1 strong 1 weak. However if you claim you will RNG between CPR/janitor then its a huge risk for mafia to drop down a role. They have a 50/50 chance of both getting killed AND losing the pick, being left with a man down and another with a vanilla pick. It keeps them honest and stops them from dropping strong roles down the draft list.

On May 16 2012 20:13 risk.nuke wrote:
So many plans, I'm going to think on this. I may or may not follow them. I may or may not tell you if I decide to follow them. Honestly though, your arguments arent nearly as persuasive as you think they are.

On May 16 2012 21:35 risk.nuke wrote:
Oh and denying cpr is stupid. The Janitor. there is a dangerous role. Cpr. Not so much Toad got no idea what he is talking about. Or rather he only sees half the picture.

On May 16 2012 22:56 Qatol wrote:
Marvellosity, don't let the discussion here confuse/WIFOM you. You should still be randomly generating (like random.org or dice if necessary) between Janitor and CPR. We want as little predictability as possible for the mafia in the role selection process.

On May 16 2012 23:16 risk.nuke wrote:

About the cpr.
First lets just establish the cpr. It's a powerrole. We can just say it's conditioned vigilante. And a vigiliante is a very good role to have as town. This game is a 3way due to the serialkiller. And as in any multi-team battle it's more important to strenghten your own team then weakening one of the enemy teams. Numbers will always work against the numerously leading team. Saying vigilantes should never be used because it will shorten the game is dumb, super dumb and even dumber then that. The scumteam will have a much better idea of what powerroles are where and set the pace of this game. Trying to pick powerroles to for a specific playstyle (Delaying the game) will only block us and bite us in the ass.

And please don't discuss what roles which team wants to pick. Most of it is common sense but discussing that informations only purpose will be to make it easier for the mafia to choose their picks. If you want to discuss shit, discuss scumreads.

On May 16 2012 23:20 zelblade wrote:
@Risk.nuke

Since you agree Janitor is dangerous when in scum hands just follow the plan and take it -_-

I really do not see the problem here

Also, what do you think about Qatol's plans for where our discussion efforts should go to today?

On May 16 2012 23:24 risk.nuke wrote:

No you're an idiot because you're scared shitless the mafia "might" get the cpr, which is pretty damn unlikely to begin with. It will be easy to figure out if the cpr is in the hands of mafia or town. And since people should and will try to go for the cpr we will know it's one in the top branch who have the powerrole. So finding a mafia cpr won't be that bloody hard after 2 nights so they will likely not even risk their resources trying to go for that role.

On May 16 2012 23:55 risk.nuke wrote:
I said it wont affect them at all if you bothered to read before you spurted out your bunch of nonsense.

On May 17 2012 00:05 risk.nuke wrote:

Why I did not read the thread last night is completely irrelevant to you not reading the posts of the person you are arguing with. Now don't spam post unless you put some thought behind it.

On May 16 2012 23:36 risk.nuke wrote:
Ebwop: If you don't understand why it's beneficial to have a confused and panicking scumteam worrying about reads when they are picking their roles I hope those underlined words helped you figure it out.

On May 17 2012 04:57 Toadesstern wrote:


Oh I looked at page 1 for the drafting results. He's the 3rd who signed up 8(

Was talking about marv.

On May 17 2012 09:04 Toadesstern wrote:
Remember how I played in LI and WBG said "no way Toad is mafia. He said VE is mafia and told us that he hasn't even done a case on VE when asked about that. Mafias aren't usually talking about things like that so transparent" and I ended up being mafia although wbg was perfectly right with his statement.

On May 17 2012 21:41 zelblade wrote:
Marvellosity you took CPR > VT?

On May 17 2012 21:37 Toadesstern wrote:

don't think mafia would all-in like that giving away half of their team 10 minutes into the game on a coinflip.

On May 17 2012 22:03 Zephirdd wrote:
Nvm I missed the post where you get something else.

On May 17 2012 23:26 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I did not get janitor

I would say that if scum have a copycat there are prolly more scums in the lower end of the draft. If they were high up they'd rather go for guaranteed power roles like decon did or try to deny town of powers.

Either way I'd reckon the copycat is in the bottom ten of the draft.

On May 17 2012 22:03 Palmar wrote:
dude I completely ignored the thread until daypost. I find planning and shit extremely boring.

On April 30 2012 19:30 Palmar wrote:
Okay, so here goes, all those plans are bad. In order to restore stability and intelligence, I have decided to proclaim myself king.

• Everyone must default to voting "Yes" to the simple question in the day-post.
  
• Only if given a pardon by your King shall you vote "No" to the question presented in the day-post.
  
• Do as you're fucking told, bitch.
  
• Anyone breaking the law will be executed.
  
• pls buy ward
  

This is not a joke, this is seriously how we're going to run this game. I will present a justification to each of my pardons when I post the list of pardoned people. Do not appeal directly for a pardon, prove your worth by posting fuckton of useful shit (as opposed to most of the useless shit that has been posted so far).

On May 18 2012 00:41 Mattchew wrote:
Marv you aren't janitor right? meaning risk.nuke is? Was that the plan?

On May 17 2012 22:00 marvellosity wrote:


I chose neither, I felt the fact that I explicitly stated I would do so on more than one occasion would be enough to keep the players above me in line.

On May 18 2012 03:47 Toadesstern wrote:
Ok summary: We had a nice plan to deny mafia CPR although we have a dead mafia which is awesome, mafia probably still has the CPR and we don't know WHERE.

place 2, 3 and 4 all failed to do what they were supposed to do because although they all were fine with it before alignment went out.
Memo for myself: Next time suggest #1-4 CPR, #5-8 Janitor

That being said I like Qatol but I'm not really convinced by the case. Do you have someone else?
I'm think a Risk lynch would be nice to teach him a lesson on why you don't look scummy on purpose but I guess lynching into a null will get me as banned as he will be if he ends up being town.
So blue it is for now.

He's usually VERY MUCH in peoples faces and you can see that "pre-game" (before d1 started, not sure how to call it) but I don't see that right now. No "guuuuys, this guy is clearly town, this guy as well oooh and that guy over there as well. Not willing to lynch THAT" shenanigans at all.

##vote Blue

Sandro did you end up getting Mason? I did not go for it but didn't feel like telling you due to my read on you prior to the mattchew thing.

On May 18 2012 03:57 Toadesstern wrote:

Yes. That's exactly what I just said. Thanks for pointing it out again in proper english.

On May 18 2012 04:13 risk.nuke wrote:

##Unpause Vote

Okey Marv if you lied and said you weren't Janitor to try to absorb a bullet or some other reason you need to tell us.

On May 18 2012 04:27 Snarfs wrote:
Slow down, either risk.nuke is lying, or [UoN]Sentinel is lying, and right now I'm leaning towards Sentinel.

This is great though as right now we have a confirmed scum in one of the two

On May 18 2012 04:36 Mattchew wrote:
We have so much kp. If risk doesn't flip janitor, we shoot marv and sent.

On May 18 2012 04:41 Mattchew wrote:

oh wait not as much KP as i thought... marv wouldn't you agree that a 2town for 1scum is good for town

In the original posts, if the janitor uses his role, will the team members alive numbers be updated or will they become question marks?
(referring to + Show Spoiler +

On May 06 2012 03:06 GMarshal wrote:
4/4 Mafia Remain
1/1 Serial Killers Remain
15/15 Vanilla Townies Remain
Mafia Alignment KP = 1
SK Alignment KP = 1

)

On May 18 2012 05:16 Toadesstern wrote:

Do you think it's something that is necessarily scummy?

On May 18 2012 05:55 Mattchew wrote:
Oh ok I get it why would risk lie to push a lynch onto sent

On May 18 2012 06:59 sandroba wrote:
Marvelocity claims he didn't go for janitor nor cpr. Again, why is that?

On May 17 2012 22:00 marvellosity wrote:


I chose neither, I felt the fact that I explicitly stated I would do so on more than one occasion would be enough to keep the players above me in line.

On May 18 2012 10:21 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:


Sorry for lateness. I was leaning risk but I wanted to make sure it was him and not marv. Since I'm vanilla and it seems like the possibility more and more as time goes on, risk it is.

##Vote: risk.nuke

On May 18 2012 10:53 Bluelightz wrote:
Actually, risk.nuke is kinda the same as Purgatory if I recall, he claimed VT with no fear like here, but one cycle earlier. Also, I think a scum risk.nuke wouldn't be so bold as to claim VT.

Still thinking about him though.

On May 18 2012 19:55 sandroba wrote:
Okay I read the whole thing over to get the timing of the events and the less retarded explanation I can conjure is (drum roll) Marv is scum! If you look at how it happened and assume marv is mafia it makes *some* sense. Marv knew decon took cpr so he didn't have to confirm the role / waste a scum role on it. He also knew risk wasn't taking janitor and didn't expect people bellow him to try for it. So amongst the confusion of who gets the janitor role, it was the perfect opportunity to take it and get away with it. But then sentinel came in and busted him and it was too late. Marv did not expect sentinel to take it and got GG'ed.

On May 17 2012 05:48 hiro protagonist wrote:

[UoN]Sentinel, would you be cool with grabbing Janitor?

On May 17 2012 05:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'll be cool with it, but I'd rather have risk cooperate lol.

Risk please cooperate?

On May 18 2012 17:17 Barundar wrote:
It bothers me a lot that this is not a discussion spearheaded by themself, you all three have better insight than the rest of us so you should know someone is lying and do something about it wtf.

@toad if i had a list check of 3 people with 1 mafia on it I would 100% lynch into it.

Standard logic tells me to confirm the vanilla claim first, so a tentative vote on sentinel for now. Risk.nuke came across as town with his in your face attitude earlier, since day post he seems to have taken it overboard though. Now to not skim read a million pages, sigh.

##vote sentinel

On May 18 2012 20:32 Palmar wrote:

Roles are actually very secondary to the intentions people have with them. I consider my pardoner role as a role completely pointless, but as I outlined above, I had a very clear intention with it.

On May 18 2012 21:27 Toadesstern wrote:
Whatever. I had for the last 4 games as town in a row a 50-60% mafia hitting average on d1 reads. That's on average when talking about 3, 4 or 5 reads so that involves the lesser reads which means that if I'm town the good reads are usually way better than 60% of hitting mafia, but sure let's go for the 1/3 chance instead.

If none of those 3 come in here and explain the situation (aka who is the liar) prior to the lynch we at least have the chance to actually hit mafia because that way one is really bound to be mafia. And since it's too late to talk about this now because everyone's like "LYYYYNCH THAT" even if one of them is town noone will talk about it.

I'll be the one yelling "told ya" if he flips town, just so you know :p
Going to ignore the issue for now until the flip, not going to talk about it anymore. I tried everything I can and it failed :/
##vote sent

On May 18 2012 21:39 Palmar wrote:


Your role is not worth us mislynching today.

Whatever I'm talking to stubborn assholes.

@Everyone else: you should be voting either risk or marvelausity, because they haven't claimed their picks.

On May 18 2012 21:46 Palmar wrote:


Sent might be getting mislynched and you claiming helps us with that.

On May 18 2012 22:00 risk.nuke wrote:

Yeah But I DO Know what I know even if you don't. So it's folly to support your plan just to satisfy your need-to-know egos.

This is the worst case scenario: Sentinel is either a vanilla and then I know marv is the janitor. Here is my view on your plan. If there was a 50/50 chance between sentinel and marv then I might claim. But the odds are heavily in favor of sentinel beeing scum so I don't see how the best course of action is to out blues power for that small chance of saving a vanilla.

On May 18 2012 22:08 Palmar wrote:
Fuck this shit, I'll probably pardon sentinel out of spite. enjoy being bad.

On May 18 2012 21:46 Palmar wrote:
I genuinely hope neither of you are town, because I hate having playing with people who play against their win condition just to be assholes.

On May 19 2012 01:41 zelblade wrote:
So you have zero opinions on the shitstorm you created? You say that you are relatively sure that by insisting that you would take janitor/cpr the players above you would be "kept in line". Did you honestly believe that risk would follow the plan at that time?

Because I highly doubt so.

On May 17 2012 08:06 marvellosity wrote:


I RNGed my role between the two and sent it in shortly after (decunduo?) summarised the benefits. So slOosh's 'untainted' comment applies to me too I guess

On May 19 2012 01:21 marvellosity wrote:
you like to talk huh zel?

On May 19 2012 05:21 Qatol wrote:
It makes more sense for Sentinel to be mafia or traitor. Look what his claim has forced us to do. We're stuck in a situation in which we are lynching one of the top 3 living picks. If we mislynch, we probably wind up spending the next lynch arguing over the same people. And we still don't even know for sure that the Janitor role is even among these 3 players!

On May 20 2012 06:56 risk.nuke wrote:
prob modkilled day 1.
dec shot day 1.

On May 20 2012 23:34 Bluelightz wrote:
Ahh one possibility: Remaining scum chose PaqMan to be the one who sent out the kill and therefore the kill didn't happen.

Also, I think that risk is probably town, that PaqMan chose to vote him over sent in D1 is an additional fact to that, and to risk's plan. No, I don't think we should roleclaim now, it will just open up choice picks for scum to choose from each night. Results of the night we're good imo but I think Mafia shot talis because he was high up in the draft, should look at his scum reads though.

On May 20 2012 23:16 Qatol wrote:

So PaqMan's death was your shot?
And no, missing KP is definitely more important than roleclaims. I still don't think anyone should be roleclaiming unless it is adds something to the town. What do we get out of it? I think you need to give a case for why we should be roleclaiming before I'm even going to consider supporting such a plan.

On May 21 2012 17:00 Barundar wrote:
I see my name getting thrown around a lot without any reasons, and quite frankly it makes me less likely to contribute. I didn't take a hit last night (and why would they hit me), but hey maybe the last mafia will be nice and tell us who the sk is when we get him.

On May 21 2012 21:42 Palmar wrote:
Toad is another possibility, something about the way he posted day 1 makes him kinda scummy.

On May 21 2012 21:55 Palmar wrote:
your claim was perfectly believable, doesn't necessarily make you town, but it helps.

didn't toad claim it after you claimed mason? Or did he do it beforeþ

On May 19 2012 03:18 Toadesstern wrote:


hey there. I picked mason and I got VT, just so you guys know. Not that it tells anything about his alignment but I believe his claim.

On May 19 2012 17:55 Barundar wrote:
It actually makes me feel better about you, I wouldn't expect a mafia team with an experienced player on it to make a play like that and allow Sentinel to afk while town eventually figures him out. Marv was never really suspected because he actually took part in the discussion and seemed to want to figure things out, risk.nuke did as well eventually.

I'm not clearing sandroba though, he suggested we solved the situation with role checks and no lynch, went on to suggest a marv scenario and in the end traitor scenario.

Toad is interesting, he has been focusing a lot on how people aren't listening, I'm starting to fear he might be talking unclear because he has the wrong motivation. Gone to a null read for me.

Both can wait though, I'm fairly certain I know where I'll vote tomorrow.

On May 22 2012 01:48 slOosh wrote:
Actually I now also want to discuss how the SK is probably playing to get an idea of what to look for. I'm thinking making people waste rolepicks on the denial plan as well as role powers to obsess on stopping cpr or whatever fits the bill. No doubt SK will act in the interests of keeping the last mafia alive for the help in KP, but wouldn't he have started doing that with the day-vig shot? That's what I would do, let mafia and town kill each other, helping the weaker side.

On May 22 2012 06:30 hiro protagonist wrote:
risk has no gun. but that was a nice trap to see if Im reading the thread

On May 22 2012 22:42 Mattchew wrote:

and I think that snarfs/sandroba is the last scum

On May 19 2012 19:56 marvellosity wrote:
So Sentinel was the scum man. And Palmar attempted to go lone ranger. For god's sakes.

But all's well that ends well. Will read over the thread properly later, glad we got a good result.

On May 21 2012 22:13 Zephirdd wrote:
i think that makes toad and barundar viable rolecop targets. Of course a confirming rolecop(on marv, for example) would be useful. IMO any politician should be insta lynched.

also I got ninja'd because I am writting everything on phone :p

On May 23 2012 07:12 Toadesstern wrote:


I don't think that's necessarily the assumption to go with..

On May 23 2012 21:17 Zephirdd wrote:
Because he has to be politician, and mafia cant be politicians because of th sentinel fiasco.

follow zelblade's plan. Lynch barundar and shoot me/hiro IF he flips town. Wont be necessary though, he is the sk.

On May 23 2012 21:22 zelblade wrote:


Because any townie that doesnt claim they took the goddammed role (and got it) after all this crap is dumb as fuck, and I would like to think that this isnt the case

On May 23 2012 21:27 zelblade wrote:
Okay marv lets go slowly.

First you claim that snarfs took politician and didnt get it, and we assume that the SK took politician.
Qatol proceeds to ask any town politician to claim if they got the role for obvious reasons. I see 0 reason for a townie politician to not claim at this point because it isnt even a strong role.
Which means that a politician is in the game, and if he didnt claim, that would mean that the politician isnt town (unless he isnt very smart). The primary purpose of this entire roleclaim was to flush out the politician in the first place.

Which is why we are auto-lynching the politician, because it is extremely likely whoever has the politician role is the SK.

On May 23 2012 21:33 marvellosity wrote:


Thank you zel <3 it appears I may be being stupid. I thought Zephirdd's comment came at an earlier time. I will go back and check to confirm I fucked up the order of things

On May 24 2012 01:24 Toadesstern wrote:
because as mentioned I don't really have the platform to do that in this game anymore.

On May 25 2012 02:29 Barundar wrote:
You should really stop using "playing against your win condition" if you really mean "doesn't make sense in my opinion" . Took a gamble and sadly Hiro was neither mafia or town enough for me to get a no lynch.

On May 28 2012 01:40 Qatol wrote:
Tough luck, Barundar. You really didn't have much of a chance this game other than the gamble you tried for in Day 3.

Anyways, with him flipping SK, we know for sure that we are looking for a mafia (Misder) or a mafia and a traitor (if Misder is not mafia). I think the latter case is more likely.

We have 10 townies and 1 mafia or 9 townies, 1 mafia, and 1 traitor left. This means we have 2 mislynches and 1 missed vigi hit (assuming the mafia doesn't hit the traitor) to burn. This is obviously changed if we kill the mafia sooner. risk.nuke, please tell us who you will be shooting tonight. I recommend Zephirdd, however, I'd like to hear Snarfs's opinion on Misder.

Who wins if we have 1 townie and 1 traitor remaining? Is it a draw?

On May 28 2012 10:32 Qatol wrote:

It is unlikely. That being said, I'm trying to make sure that nothing can surprise us at this point. And it definitely is in the mafia's best interest to roleblock you to protect the SK.

On May 28 2012 20:54 Toadesstern wrote:
I know who got roleblocked :3

On May 28 2012 21:22 marvellosity wrote:


Care to enlighten us then?

On May 29 2012 09:21 Snarfs wrote:

What about Toad makes you think he is town?

On May 30 2012 01:08 Mattchew wrote:
Yes Marv your scum play is scary however.. And the fact that the remaining scum hasn't conceded at 8-1 is perplexing to me.. I'm not saying you should be lynched before sandroba or zel or toad but it's just food for thought... I think sum taking the mason role is highly viable cause it is stronger in town hands then scums.. An you get instant town cred for being mason'd with a townie

On May 30 2012 09:12 GMarshal wrote:

No posting qt links under pain of death.

On May 30 2012 01:11 marvellosity wrote:

Yes, that's fair enough. It'd be a fucking boss scum play. But you'd have to presume

1) I wouldn't take a strong mafia role at #3
2) I hammer voted Sentinel despite being on the fence and actually attacking risk more during the day

With any luck Snarfs thinks I'm town anyway.

More likely than me taking mason and hammer voting scum is that you shot scum day 1 for credit as scum. Just sayin' like.

On May 30 2012 12:52 Snarfs wrote:
I told marv he can post them, but I don't think he's scum.

On May 31 2012 00:59 Mattchew wrote:
Matt is townie cause he shot the cpr doc 2 minutes into the game with no copycat
Risk is townie cause he shot paqman
Snarfs is townie cause you mason'd him

On May 31 2012 01:14 Mattchew wrote:

because my plan would be what? shoot my teammate (who has a KP every night) and be done with it? I was in the 5th spot, I coulda picked so many other roles as scum that would have helped my innocence without compromising my teammates.

On June 01 2012 08:36 Misder wrote:
I roleblocked sandroba, not that it matters really.

Bleh. I think I'm gonna have to vote zelblade just because he was voting for risk.nuke for pretty poor reasoning. I've actually have been getting more town vibes from him than sandroba except for the one inconsistency that Snarfs pointed out. But, I can kinda believe a bored sandroba, though I don't actually know his meta. Still thinking about this one.

At this point, it's whether or not zelblade + sentinel could be scum team, but idk what that team would be trying to do (bailing PaqMan out?). We were all already trying to get Janitor to out day 1 though, so would would zelblade scum take that risk?

Also, if we do decide to lynch sandroba, I can roleblock zelblade, so even if zelblade was copycat or something, nothing worse would happen.

On June 04 2012 02:16 Mattchew wrote:

why, (not accusatory, actual wonder)

On June 04 2012 04:49 Mattchew wrote:

i mean we are in mylo, if we no-lynch we just take out 1 more person from the pool cant hurt

On June 05 2012 06:36 Misder wrote:
zelblade- Why did you leave your vote on risk.nuke day 1? Why did you claim JOAT so late/without crumbing? Is there anything else besides shooting deconduo that makes him town?

marvellosity- Why did that post of zelbade confirm himself as scum?

Mattchew- Why were you accusing people of being scum without any backup?

##Vote: No lynch

On June 04 2012 14:59 zelblade wrote:
Which leads me to believe that the last scum is marvellosity. I find it extremely wierd that he took the mason role at spot 3. I believe that he did so in order to deny sandroba mason. Sandroba happens to be a vet, and the mason role in his hands, which I speculate would have been used by him to get into contact with one his stronger town reads (probably Qatol) would probably be extremely dangerous for scum. Not only that, doing so would allow him to get into a decent position, primilarly due to the fact that whoever he got masoned with would be inclined to think that he was town. I dont think picking a scumbuddy would be a good move for mason, since there would be a lot of explanation to do when the partner flipped.

Looking through what happened D1, one would notice that marv manages to escape a lot of the attention despite being part of the situation then.


Quotes from sentinel and Paqman D1 (flipped scum). You would notice here that both of them are attempting to push along the risk wagon, whilst at the same time removing doubt from marv. I find how marv managed to escape most of the attention D1 despite not following the plan too. As I stated earlier, I found marv's action to not follow the plan despite saying that he would extremely scummy as well, simply due to the fact that it was the optimal move for scum as janitor would be a dead role.

I think that marv is the last scum. I would be fine with lynching him today, though I wouldnt mind a no-lynch either.

On June 05 2012 11:42 zelblade wrote:

@Marv

I am relatively sure the primary reason snarfs didnt mention you was because he knew your role. So I dont get why you are using him as an example.

Either way the way the day progressed was simple. Snarfs asked who got janitor, I mention that there is something wierd going on up in the top 4. Sent claims that he "did not get janitor", and Snarfs votes sent. He does not consider you as a possibility simply because you are his mason buddy and we were janitor hunting. Traitor zeph dumps his vote onto risk, and sent comes back to post this


Naturally this triggers a reaction from risk, who proceeds to vote him. Simply put, a combanation of snarfs being your buddy and heavily pushing the lynch in sent's direction, combined with sent claiming that you were a less likely possibility, made it such that you were pretty much removed from people's thought processes. And no Qatol didnt protect you continously, his primary reason for voting sentinel was that it was the best move.


The fact that he doesnt even mention you proves my point.

On June 01 2012 09:16 sandroba wrote:
I've reread this whole fucking thing and here are my conclusions. So the possibilities are:

Zelblade mafia - Went for vigilante or dayvigi, didn't get it and said things in thread about janitor. This may have happened, but if it did surely it was a pretty bad mistake that got sentinel killed, but it's not like mistakes didn't happen a lot in this game. Looking at the mafia picks it's possible that they went for a mass kp strat and tried to get cpr/joat/vigi/dayvigi. Zelblade got pissed off he didn't get vigi and complained in the thread about shenanigans on the janitor role since he knew only a few townies could have gone for it. Also assuming paqman had gone for dayvigi/vig and sent, zelblade could pretty much conclude the townies didn't go for janitor.
@zelblade How did you conclude shenanigans had been going on with the janitor role when you didn't get JOAT?
Looking through his filter i found some gems of soft defending mafia:


It's also weird that he didn't change his vote to sentinel when risk claimed he didn't pick JOAT, since if risk was mafia he could have said he picked JOAT and still get sentinel lynched. Thus, from zelblade's perspective sentinel was the most logical vote. Mind you that the votes were really close.


marv - Now this gets interesting. It is possible that he is mafia, denying me the mason role which I had claimed I planned to take, not taking the useless (if claimed) janitor role and getting himself to look really good. But looking at his filter I can't really see it happening, I see several behavior clues that points to him being town. Also mason had to pick which type of mason day 1, and stronger play for mafia would be to take one scum buddy as his partner.

So the conclusion I arrived at is that zelblade is mafia. Everybody should be voting for him and I'm sorry I claimed he is unlikely mafia before due to not reading enough and not assigning enough time to this game due to D3. If you guys want to lynch me that's okay as long as you lynch zelblade tomorrow. Also just so you know if I was mafia this game I would totally have forfeited after the sk was killed, since I hate being mafia, the position was pretty much unwinnable for me since some people already wanted to lynch me (and I suck at being mafia) and I want to focus on D3.

On June 06 2012 22:48 marvellosity wrote:
Because posting my logs would take a lot of time as not everything is in one thread.

No, it's a lot harder to convince someone you're town when you communicate privately, because they have A LOT MORE INFORMATION than everyone else. What did Snarfs think with all this extra info? that i was TOWN

On June 07 2012 21:18 Toadesstern wrote:
ftw. How did you guys not lynch zelblade?

Haven't really followed since I died but I figured this is a won game because it's either Sandroba or Zelblade

On June 07 2012 21:30 Toadesstern wrote:
that's kind of depressing. Isn't it a modkill as well because Misder did not vote?
That just sucks, it's LI all over again...

On June 07 2012 23:14 zelblade wrote:


Well I was grasping at straws to be honest. Not much to attack

On June 09 2012 00:05 zelblade wrote:
Yea the way this game played out made it pretty hard for sk to win

On a side note I still havent been lynched before :D