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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 06 2012 23:35 GMT
#57
##Vote: Nomination
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 08 2012 01:26 GMT
#82
wow,

/in please!
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 08 2012 12:55 GMT
#149
Any news on whether you think you'll be able to expand the game, GM?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 14 2012 17:00 GMT
#301
On May 15 2012 01:58 sandroba wrote:
@decon I asked this already and they are informed. I fail to see how dropping godfather is good. Means that if gf is ever killed we get a bonus mafia for free.
@toad tell me how assigning cpr will help to keep it off mafia hands. GF is strong because it's imunity to checks + 1 free kill. But it's way stronger as mafia so that's why it's in the denial plan. Unlike cpr which is strong as both alignments.


Surely the point is you want to keep roles that are strong for mafia away from mafia, and the fact it is strong for town is irrelevant?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 14 2012 20:56 GMT
#373
To be simpleminded for a moment - is the general advice to pick whatever numbers you like?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 16 2012 01:17 GMT
#473
not bad with the worst pokerhand
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 16 2012 09:52 GMT
#493
On May 16 2012 18:22 Palmar wrote:
I hereby define everything that's been said in the thread as pointless spam.


no u
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 16 2012 09:53 GMT
#494
P.S. Do I have any option other than to retardedly RNG a role? I'd quite like to pick one, actually.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 16 2012 09:54 GMT
#495
Shit, now I'm going to have to read back why 3rd is supposed to be RNGing. Anyone care to summarise?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 16 2012 10:06 GMT
#497
On May 16 2012 19:04 deconduo wrote:
[1,1] Almost changed at the last minute but decided against it. Glad I didn't now

Show nested quote +
On May 16 2012 18:54 marvellosity wrote:
Shit, now I'm going to have to read back why 3rd is supposed to be RNGing. Anyone care to summarise?


CPR and Janitor are probably the most dangerous mafia roles, so we want to know exactly where they are and who has them. This is why we assigned them to #1 and #2 picks. This is fine if town are #1 and #2, but if there is a mafia there, they can claim they picked CPR/janitor, when in reality they picked some other good mafia role, and had a teammate who is at the bottom of the draft pick CPR/janitor instead. This way they get 2 strong roles instead of 1 strong 1 weak. However if you claim you will RNG between CPR/janitor then its a huge risk for mafia to drop down a role. They have a 50/50 chance of both getting killed AND losing the pick, being left with a man down and another with a vanilla pick. It keeps them honest and stops them from dropping strong roles down the draft list.


An unexpectedly quick and understandable explanation, thank you. I should have paid more attention to such things but my draft pick wasn't designed to place high :/

I'll go along with this as it seems pretty sensible, if a bit sucky for me
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 16 2012 11:15 GMT
#500
On May 16 2012 20:13 risk.nuke wrote:
So many plans, I'm going to think on this. I may or may not follow them. I may or may not tell you if I decide to follow them. Honestly though, your arguments arent nearly as persuasive as you think they are.


Explain why not then, don't just state it
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 16 2012 12:48 GMT
#517
On May 16 2012 21:35 risk.nuke wrote:
Oh and denying cpr is stupid. The Janitor. there is a dangerous role. Cpr. Not so much Toad got no idea what he is talking about. Or rather he only sees half the picture.


Denying scum an extra KP every night is stupid because...?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 16 2012 14:07 GMT
#520
On May 16 2012 22:56 Qatol wrote:
Marvellosity, don't let the discussion here confuse/WIFOM you. You should still be randomly generating (like random.org or dice if necessary) between Janitor and CPR. We want as little predictability as possible for the mafia in the role selection process.


No, it's fine, it's more a combination of two things:

1) I didn't get involved in plan discussion, and mainly
2) I didn't expect to be in a draft position where it mattered (7,2 being third is a mystery to me)

I'm fine going along with the plan even if my initial reaction was more selfish - just ask sandroba what I was like in Space Station
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 16 2012 14:18 GMT
#527
On May 16 2012 23:16 risk.nuke wrote:

About the cpr.
First lets just establish the cpr. It's a powerrole. We can just say it's conditioned vigilante. And a vigiliante is a very good role to have as town. This game is a 3way due to the serialkiller. And as in any multi-team battle it's more important to strenghten your own team then weakening one of the enemy teams. Numbers will always work against the numerously leading team. Saying vigilantes should never be used because it will shorten the game is dumb, super dumb and even dumber then that. The scumteam will have a much better idea of what powerroles are where and set the pace of this game. Trying to pick powerroles to for a specific playstyle (Delaying the game) will only block us and bite us in the ass.

And please don't discuss what roles which team wants to pick. Most of it is common sense but discussing that informations only purpose will be to make it easier for the mafia to choose their picks. If you want to discuss shit, discuss scumreads.


Stupid argument. If you're strengthening your team by a tiny bit but weakening the primary opposing faction by a huge amount, your argument is shit.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 16 2012 14:21 GMT
#529
On May 16 2012 23:20 zelblade wrote:
@Risk.nuke

Since you agree Janitor is dangerous when in scum hands just follow the plan and take it -_-

I really do not see the problem here

Also, what do you think about Qatol's plans for where our discussion efforts should go to today?


read his post, he already said what he thinks we should be discussing.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 16 2012 14:27 GMT
#532
On May 16 2012 23:24 risk.nuke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2012 23:18 marvellosity wrote:
On May 16 2012 23:16 risk.nuke wrote:

About the cpr.
First lets just establish the cpr. It's a powerrole. We can just say it's conditioned vigilante. And a vigiliante is a very good role to have as town. This game is a 3way due to the serialkiller. And as in any multi-team battle it's more important to strenghten your own team then weakening one of the enemy teams. Numbers will always work against the numerously leading team. Saying vigilantes should never be used because it will shorten the game is dumb, super dumb and even dumber then that. The scumteam will have a much better idea of what powerroles are where and set the pace of this game. Trying to pick powerroles to for a specific playstyle (Delaying the game) will only block us and bite us in the ass.

And please don't discuss what roles which team wants to pick. Most of it is common sense but discussing that informations only purpose will be to make it easier for the mafia to choose their picks. If you want to discuss shit, discuss scumreads.


Stupid argument. If you're strengthening your team by a tiny bit but weakening the primary opposing faction by a huge amount, your argument is shit.

No you're an idiot because you're scared shitless the mafia "might" get the cpr, which is pretty damn unlikely to begin with. It will be easy to figure out if the cpr is in the hands of mafia or town. And since people should and will try to go for the cpr we will know it's one in the top branch who have the powerrole. So finding a mafia cpr won't be that bloody hard after 2 nights so they will likely not even risk their resources trying to go for that role.


If you had all this to say, why didn't you bother doing so when the main discussion was going on? You know, when people were asking if anyone disagreed and you didn't say a bloody word, that kinda time?

Mafia getting the CPR becomes increasingly likely if town (for who it is not such a good role) doesn't have a plan for picking it up. And CPR is way way way better for scum than town.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 16 2012 14:38 GMT
#537
you may be confusing confused and panicking for better informed
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 16 2012 14:49 GMT
#539
Last I heard not much is still more than not at all
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 16 2012 14:51 GMT
#540
More to the point, why do you think they'd be confused and panicking?

Is this what typically happens after 8 hours of day 1 discussion?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 16 2012 15:02 GMT
#543
On May 16 2012 23:55 risk.nuke wrote:
I said it wont affect them at all if you bothered to read before you spurted out your bunch of nonsense.


Accusing me of not reading when you're the one who had an entire day to raise objections to the plan being raised and yet sat there twiddling your silly little thumbs.

Nice.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 16 2012 15:08 GMT
#546
On May 17 2012 00:05 risk.nuke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2012 00:02 marvellosity wrote:
On May 16 2012 23:55 risk.nuke wrote:
I said it wont affect them at all if you bothered to read before you spurted out your bunch of nonsense.


Accusing me of not reading when you're the one who had an entire day to raise objections to the plan being raised and yet sat there twiddling your silly little thumbs.

Nice.

Why I did not read the thread last night is completely irrelevant to you not reading the posts of the person you are arguing with. Now don't spam post unless you put some thought behind it.


You obviously aren't coming across very clearly then, are you?

On May 16 2012 23:36 risk.nuke wrote:
Ebwop: If you don't understand why it's beneficial to have a confused and panicking scumteam worrying about reads when they are picking their roles I hope those underlined words helped you figure it out.


This reads as you think discussing scumreads will cause panick and confusion. If this isn't what you meant, then write better.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 16 2012 23:06 GMT
#593
On May 17 2012 04:57 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2012 04:55 talismania wrote:
On May 17 2012 04:20 Toadesstern wrote:
OH and @slOosh please flip a coin or true-randomize it somehow like that. Please don't get influenced by this risk-shit and think that you have to choose Janitor know that risk has told people that he might not choose Janitor. It is very much possible (although incredibly paranoid^^) that that is the goal for mafia right now.

So please, pick randomely no matter what



What?

Where is this post coming from - what does sloosh have to do with the janitor pick?


Oh I looked at page 1 for the drafting results. He's the 3rd who signed up 8(

Was talking about marv.


I RNGed my role between the two and sent it in shortly after (decunduo?) summarised the benefits. So slOosh's 'untainted' comment applies to me too I guess
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 16 2012 23:11 GMT
#594
On risk: normally people who resist plans so vocally are actually townie, scum tend not to risk it (forgive the pun).
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 17 2012 00:18 GMT
#597
On May 17 2012 09:04 Toadesstern wrote:
Remember how I played in LI and WBG said "no way Toad is mafia. He said VE is mafia and told us that he hasn't even done a case on VE when asked about that. Mafias aren't usually talking about things like that so transparent" and I ended up being mafia although wbg was perfectly right with his statement.


Yeah, I had my vote on you at the end of that day buddy, I knew you were scum
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 17 2012 00:19 GMT
#598
Anyway, seems a pretty odd play for mafia, given the abundance of blue roles to check him/kill him/block him/whatever
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 17 2012 12:13 GMT
#647
I am not Janitor
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 17 2012 12:32 GMT
#650
[QUOTE]On May 17 2012 21:24 Toadesstern wrote:
[QUOTE]On May 17 2012 11:10 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
[QUOTE]On May 17 2012 10:27 Qatol wrote:
I would like to point out that this in no way confirms Mattchew. The main reason for this is because the Copy Cat just got the CPR Doctor role. If you got the role, claim it and don't use it. If nobody claims the role, I'm going to have to assume it went to an anti-town player.[/QUOTE]


About the Shot: I think it confirms mattchew half way. If he ends up being mafia I'll eat a hat. Yes it's still possible he's still mafia and this was planed to get the CPR somewhere safe because +1KP is more valueable than decunduo / one buddy but that's soooo unlikely.
[/QUOTE]

Why is it sooooo unlikely?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 17 2012 12:32 GMT
#651
crap, formatting
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 17 2012 13:00 GMT
#655
On May 17 2012 21:41 zelblade wrote:
Marvellosity you took CPR > VT?


I chose neither, I felt the fact that I explicitly stated I would do so on more than one occasion would be enough to keep the players above me in line.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 17 2012 13:01 GMT
#656
On May 17 2012 21:37 Toadesstern wrote:

don't think mafia would all-in like that giving away half of their team 10 minutes into the game on a coinflip.


Oh yes, for some reason I only had 1/4 in my head but of course it would be 2/4 in that scenario. Fair point.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 17 2012 13:04 GMT
#661
On May 17 2012 22:03 Zephirdd wrote:
Nvm I missed the post where you get something else.


Cool, I was trying to work out how to repeat myself without being sarcastic
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 17 2012 14:30 GMT
#666
On May 17 2012 23:26 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I did not get janitor

I would say that if scum have a copycat there are prolly more scums in the lower end of the draft. If they were high up they'd rather go for guaranteed power roles like decon did or try to deny town of powers.

Either way I'd reckon the copycat is in the bottom ten of the draft.


So you're VT?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 17 2012 15:32 GMT
#669
On May 17 2012 22:03 Palmar wrote:
dude I completely ignored the thread until daypost. I find planning and shit extremely boring.


On April 30 2012 19:30 Palmar wrote:
Okay, so here goes, all those plans are bad. In order to restore stability and intelligence, I have decided to proclaim myself king.



Bow before your King!

[image loading]


The King's Decrees



  • Everyone must default to voting "Yes" to the simple question in the day-post.
  • Only if given a pardon by your King shall you vote "No" to the question presented in the day-post.
  • Do as you're fucking told, bitch.
  • Anyone breaking the law will be executed.
  • pls buy ward


This is not a joke, this is seriously how we're going to run this game. I will present a justification to each of my pardons when I post the list of pardoned people. Do not appeal directly for a pardon, prove your worth by posting fuckton of useful shit (as opposed to most of the useless shit that has been posted so far).

Crown Me!


Palmar was scum. Maybe he only likes plans (he pushed this one a lot in Liar) when he's scum? Discuss
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 17 2012 15:44 GMT
#672
On May 18 2012 00:41 Mattchew wrote:
Marv you aren't janitor right? meaning risk.nuke is? Was that the plan?


I can't provide you with any answers that reading the thread will not provide
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 17 2012 17:16 GMT
#676
Qatol, I chose neither Janitor nor CPR

On May 17 2012 22:00 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2012 21:41 zelblade wrote:
Marvellosity you took CPR > VT?


I chose neither, I felt the fact that I explicitly stated I would do so on more than one occasion would be enough to keep the players above me in line.


That is what I meant in this post
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 17 2012 18:55 GMT
#691
On May 18 2012 03:47 Toadesstern wrote:
Ok summary: We had a nice plan to deny mafia CPR although we have a dead mafia which is awesome, mafia probably still has the CPR and we don't know WHERE.

place 2, 3 and 4 all failed to do what they were supposed to do because although they all were fine with it before alignment went out.
Memo for myself: Next time suggest #1-4 CPR, #5-8 Janitor

That being said I like Qatol but I'm not really convinced by the case. Do you have someone else?
I'm think a Risk lynch would be nice to teach him a lesson on why you don't look scummy on purpose but I guess lynching into a null will get me as banned as he will be if he ends up being town.
So blue it is for now.

He's usually VERY MUCH in peoples faces and you can see that "pre-game" (before d1 started, not sure how to call it) but I don't see that right now. No "guuuuys, this guy is clearly town, this guy as well oooh and that guy over there as well. Not willing to lynch THAT" shenanigans at all.

##vote Blue

Sandro did you end up getting Mason? I did not go for it but didn't feel like telling you due to my read on you prior to the mattchew thing.


Firstly stop with the ban talk. Secondly we don't lynch to teach someone a lesson. Thirdly I think we're better off using the appropriate bluechecks on risk during the night than we are lynching him right now.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 17 2012 19:01 GMT
#694
On May 18 2012 03:57 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2012 03:55 marvellosity wrote:
On May 18 2012 03:47 Toadesstern wrote:
Ok summary: We had a nice plan to deny mafia CPR although we have a dead mafia which is awesome, mafia probably still has the CPR and we don't know WHERE.

place 2, 3 and 4 all failed to do what they were supposed to do because although they all were fine with it before alignment went out.
Memo for myself: Next time suggest #1-4 CPR, #5-8 Janitor

That being said I like Qatol but I'm not really convinced by the case. Do you have someone else?
I'm think a Risk lynch would be nice to teach him a lesson on why you don't look scummy on purpose but I guess lynching into a null will get me as banned as he will be if he ends up being town.
So blue it is for now.

He's usually VERY MUCH in peoples faces and you can see that "pre-game" (before d1 started, not sure how to call it) but I don't see that right now. No "guuuuys, this guy is clearly town, this guy as well oooh and that guy over there as well. Not willing to lynch THAT" shenanigans at all.

##vote Blue

Sandro did you end up getting Mason? I did not go for it but didn't feel like telling you due to my read on you prior to the mattchew thing.


Firstly stop with the ban talk. Secondly we don't lynch to teach someone a lesson. Thirdly I think we're better off using the appropriate bluechecks on risk during the night than we are lynching him right now.

Yes. That's exactly what I just said. Thanks for pointing it out again in proper english.


lol I'm so confused o.o
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 17 2012 19:15 GMT
#703
On May 18 2012 04:13 risk.nuke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2012 04:10 risk.nuke wrote:
On May 18 2012 04:07 risk.nuke wrote:
So you tried to take Janitor?

##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel

Ebwop: ##Pause Vote. I thought he was right behind me in the draft.

##Unpause Vote

Okey Marv if you lied and said you weren't Janitor to try to absorb a bullet or some other reason you need to tell us.


I am neither janitor nor CPR as stated previously.

Why would you vote for Sentinel, if you thought he was right behind you, on the basis he tried to get janitor and he ended up with VT? The only explanation is that you are janitor after all
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 17 2012 19:21 GMT
#705
risk lied and picked janitor despite stating that he didn't. risk voted for Sentinel presumably on the basis that he was lying and thinking he was directly behind him in the draft order, and he could only have thought he was lying if he picked janitor.

So the question is why did risk lie about picking janitor
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 17 2012 19:30 GMT
#710
On May 18 2012 04:27 Snarfs wrote:
Slow down, either risk.nuke is lying, or [UoN]Sentinel is lying, and right now I'm leaning towards Sentinel.

This is great though as right now we have a confirmed scum in one of the two


I'm an idiot, I forgot sentinel could be lying. So it's either as I stated in my post above and risk picked janitor and lied, or Sentinel is lying, because he would have got janitor otherwise.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 17 2012 19:37 GMT
#714
On May 18 2012 04:36 Mattchew wrote:
We have so much kp. If risk doesn't flip janitor, we shoot marv and sent.


how's about no
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May 17 2012 19:43 GMT
#717
On May 18 2012 04:41 Mattchew wrote:
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On May 18 2012 04:37 marvellosity wrote:
On May 18 2012 04:36 Mattchew wrote:
We have so much kp. If risk doesn't flip janitor, we shoot marv and sent.


how's about no

oh wait not as much KP as i thought... marv wouldn't you agree that a 2town for 1scum is good for town

In the original posts, if the janitor uses his role, will the team members alive numbers be updated or will they become question marks?
(referring to + Show Spoiler +
On May 06 2012 03:06 GMarshal wrote:
4/4 Mafia Remain
1/1 Serial Killers Remain
15/15 Vanilla Townies Remain
Mafia Alignment KP = 1
SK Alignment KP = 1
)



1 for 1 is much better.
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May 17 2012 20:20 GMT
#732
On May 18 2012 05:16 Toadesstern wrote:
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On May 18 2012 05:11 Mattchew wrote:
On May 18 2012 05:08 Toadesstern wrote:
On May 18 2012 05:01 Mattchew wrote:
On May 18 2012 04:55 Toadesstern wrote:
On May 18 2012 04:52 Toadesstern wrote:
Would a vig-role without a bullet left return "has a gun" to bullet-bob if he's a town-vig without a bullet left or would he return "has no gun" ?

Also I'd say risk is the liar and if he is he's town.

which still means: I'd rather not lynch into any of those 3. Sentinel looks good without a doubt, so no lynching that.
Risk and Marv are somewhat weird but with Sentinel's action I'm not 100% sure one of them has to be mafia. It could be 1-1 or 2-0 right now, maybe even 0-2 idk.
No lynching them unless we have more information and more analysis about them.

what possible town motivation could there be for sent's claim if he is lying. what possible town motivation would there be for risk or marv to hide the fact they picked a role that withholds info from basically only town (other than roles maybe, but knowing the alignments is way more important imo)


I don't think sent is lying because he's busted if he does as mafia. We can confirm that really easy within 1 or 2 days.
So for me it's more about the question wether or not he would have a reason to lie as mafia and I don't see that happening.

For risk and marv it's a bit complicated but there are a bunch of good reasons to lie as a townie in that situation if you ARE the janitor. Janitor is COMPLETLY useless for town so you might as well lie (read: "hey guys I don't have janitor and I am #2 or #3 so I've probably got a REALLY AWESOME BLUE POWER" ) to draw some hits because getting the janitor out of the game is all we wanted to achieve and if one of them is town and already managed to do that they're happy.
If they can "protect" another guy who is very likely to be shot early on due to awesome blue role or awesome mafia sKiLlZ that's awesome for town.

So yes, I see a lot of reasons for them to lie as town. Could be wrong which brings me to the point:
Leave them alive, I want to figure out what's going on in that constellation rather than just randomly lynching into them, having a coinflip on wether or not we hit mafia and on top of that gain 0 (!!!!) information because everyone would be like
"duuuh, that's a mess" if one of them flipped town or "nice hit" if one of them flipped mafia.
Noone is willing to lynch them because of analysis. People want to lynch them because of bullshit they haven't figured out yet.

so lets say risk is janitor... why is he voting sent?... why would a townie lie to allow us to mislynch someone?

Do you think it's something that is necessarily scummy?


Are you asking if lying in order to mislynch a townie is scummy?
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May 17 2012 20:48 GMT
#736
I swear I never have any fucking idea what toad is talking about
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May 17 2012 20:56 GMT
#738
On May 18 2012 05:55 Mattchew wrote:
Oh ok I get it why would risk lie to push a lynch onto sent


Wasn't that your point already??
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May 17 2012 22:32 GMT
#748
On May 18 2012 06:59 sandroba wrote:
Marvelocity claims he didn't go for janitor nor cpr. Again, why is that?


On May 17 2012 22:00 marvellosity wrote:
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On May 17 2012 21:41 zelblade wrote:
Marvellosity you took CPR > VT?


I chose neither, I felt the fact that I explicitly stated I would do so on more than one occasion would be enough to keep the players above me in line.


Also, spell my name right, dear.
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May 18 2012 01:27 GMT
#767
On May 18 2012 10:21 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
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Sentinel: Why are you not voting risk.nuke?


Sorry for lateness. I was leaning risk but I wanted to make sure it was him and not marv. Since I'm vanilla and it seems like the possibility more and more as time goes on, risk it is.

##Vote: risk.nuke


why does it seem more likely as time goes on?
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May 18 2012 02:04 GMT
#773
On May 18 2012 10:53 Bluelightz wrote:
Actually, risk.nuke is kinda the same as Purgatory if I recall, he claimed VT with no fear like here, but one cycle earlier. Also, I think a scum risk.nuke wouldn't be so bold as to claim VT.

Still thinking about him though.


when did he claim vanilla vt here?
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May 18 2012 12:12 GMT
#828
On May 18 2012 19:55 sandroba wrote:
Okay I read the whole thing over to get the timing of the events and the less retarded explanation I can conjure is (drum roll) Marv is scum! If you look at how it happened and assume marv is mafia it makes *some* sense. Marv knew decon took cpr so he didn't have to confirm the role / waste a scum role on it. He also knew risk wasn't taking janitor and didn't expect people bellow him to try for it. So amongst the confusion of who gets the janitor role, it was the perfect opportunity to take it and get away with it. But then sentinel came in and busted him and it was too late. Marv did not expect sentinel to take it and got GG'ed.


Didn't read thread lol!

On May 17 2012 05:48 hiro protagonist wrote:

[UoN]Sentinel, would you be cool with grabbing Janitor?


On May 17 2012 05:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'll be cool with it, but I'd rather have risk cooperate lol.

Risk please cooperate?


Clearly risk was not co-operating.

Also, if you're going to talk about me, spell my fucking name right, sandrodummybubbawoobieboobie (referring to another post).

On May 18 2012 17:17 Barundar wrote:
It bothers me a lot that this is not a discussion spearheaded by themself, you all three have better insight than the rest of us so you should know someone is lying and do something about it wtf.

@toad if i had a list check of 3 people with 1 mafia on it I would 100% lynch into it.

Standard logic tells me to confirm the vanilla claim first, so a tentative vote on sentinel for now. Risk.nuke came across as town with his in your face attitude earlier, since day post he seems to have taken it overboard though. Now to not skim read a million pages, sigh.

##vote sentinel


Yes, the better insight I have is that I'm looking into 1 of 2, not 1 of 3. Put yourselves in my shoes where you know I'm telling the truth. What more insight do I have than you or anyone?

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May 18 2012 12:17 GMT
#829
P.S. I thought sandroba was supposed to be a good town?
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May 18 2012 12:20 GMT
#832
I'm not claiming unless there's a serious risk I'm being lynched.
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May 18 2012 12:21 GMT
#833
EBWOP: no pun intended
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May 18 2012 12:25 GMT
#834
On May 18 2012 20:32 Palmar wrote:

Roles are actually very secondary to the intentions people have with them. I consider my pardoner role as a role completely pointless, but as I outlined above, I had a very clear intention with it.



My role is not so great if it's revealed now compared to later.
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May 18 2012 12:35 GMT
#837
On May 18 2012 21:27 Toadesstern wrote:
Whatever. I had for the last 4 games as town in a row a 50-60% mafia hitting average on d1 reads. That's on average when talking about 3, 4 or 5 reads so that involves the lesser reads which means that if I'm town the good reads are usually way better than 60% of hitting mafia, but sure let's go for the 1/3 chance instead.

If none of those 3 come in here and explain the situation (aka who is the liar) prior to the lynch we at least have the chance to actually hit mafia because that way one is really bound to be mafia. And since it's too late to talk about this now because everyone's like "LYYYYNCH THAT" even if one of them is town noone will talk about it.

I'll be the one yelling "told ya" if he flips town, just so you know :p
Going to ignore the issue for now until the flip, not going to talk about it anymore. I tried everything I can and it failed :/
##vote sent


To the bold: again, how the hell would me knowing I'm telling the truth help me work out which of the other 2 is lying??
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May 18 2012 12:43 GMT
#840
On May 18 2012 21:39 Palmar wrote:
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On May 18 2012 21:25 marvellosity wrote:
On May 18 2012 20:32 Palmar wrote:

Roles are actually very secondary to the intentions people have with them. I consider my pardoner role as a role completely pointless, but as I outlined above, I had a very clear intention with it.



My role is not so great if it's revealed now compared to later.


Your role is not worth us mislynching today.

Whatever I'm talking to stubborn assholes.

@Everyone else: you should be voting either risk or marvelausity, because they haven't claimed their picks.


Hilarious coming from you
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May 18 2012 12:44 GMT
#841
Also me claiming helps nothing if I'm not getting mislynched anyway
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May 18 2012 12:48 GMT
#845
On May 18 2012 21:46 Palmar wrote:
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On May 18 2012 21:44 marvellosity wrote:
Also me claiming helps nothing if I'm not getting mislynched anyway


Sent might be getting mislynched and you claiming helps us with that.


Explain to me how it helps and I will consider it.
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May 18 2012 13:02 GMT
#847
On May 18 2012 22:00 risk.nuke wrote:
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On May 18 2012 21:45 Palmar wrote:
On May 18 2012 21:40 risk.nuke wrote:
From my point of view either Sentinel is lying or Marv can only be the Janitor.


Yes but you aren't dumb enough to not understand why this doesn't apply to everyone.

Yeah But I DO Know what I know even if you don't. So it's folly to support your plan just to satisfy your need-to-know egos.

This is the worst case scenario: Sentinel is either a vanilla and then I know marv is the janitor. Here is my view on your plan. If there was a 50/50 chance between sentinel and marv then I might claim. But the odds are heavily in favor of sentinel beeing scum so I don't see how the best course of action is to out blues power for that small chance of saving a vanilla.


Much as I love everyone thinking I'm not the liar, but why are the odds heavily stacked against Sentinel? what am I missing? why isn't it me?
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May 18 2012 13:13 GMT
#850
On May 18 2012 22:08 Palmar wrote:
Fuck this shit, I'll probably pardon sentinel out of spite. enjoy being bad.


now who's playing anti-town?
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May 18 2012 14:15 GMT
#857
On May 18 2012 21:46 Palmar wrote:
I genuinely hope neither of you are town, because I hate having playing with people who play against their win condition just to be assholes.

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May 18 2012 16:21 GMT
#863
you like to talk huh zel?
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May 18 2012 16:29 GMT
#865
Damn, never mind.
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May 18 2012 16:36 GMT
#867
I want to lynch sandroba for wilfully misreading the thread when he's supposed to be a pro/vet scumhunter. I don't feel like it's a mistake that someone of his stature should make as town.

I do not know how to choose between risk and sentinel.
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#869
On May 19 2012 01:41 zelblade wrote:
So you have zero opinions on the shitstorm you created? You say that you are relatively sure that by insisting that you would take janitor/cpr the players above you would be "kept in line". Did you honestly believe that risk would follow the plan at that time?

Because I highly doubt so.


For the third, and final time. How does me knowing whether I'm telling the truth give me any insight to whether risk or sentinel is lying?

Also just generally

On May 17 2012 08:06 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2012 04:57 Toadesstern wrote:
On May 17 2012 04:55 talismania wrote:
On May 17 2012 04:20 Toadesstern wrote:
OH and @slOosh please flip a coin or true-randomize it somehow like that. Please don't get influenced by this risk-shit and think that you have to choose Janitor know that risk has told people that he might not choose Janitor. It is very much possible (although incredibly paranoid^^) that that is the goal for mafia right now.

So please, pick randomely no matter what



What?

Where is this post coming from - what does sloosh have to do with the janitor pick?


Oh I looked at page 1 for the drafting results. He's the 3rd who signed up 8(

Was talking about marv.


I RNGed my role between the two and sent it in shortly after (decunduo?) summarised the benefits. So slOosh's 'untainted' comment applies to me too I guess


Added to this that Sentinel claimed that he would pick janitor as risk was possibly not cooperating. decunduo apparently choose CPR as he agreed with the plan, and the failsafe on risk was Sentinel. I was just an extra failsafe claiming I had RNGed my role. I did not foresee events as they turned out.
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May 18 2012 16:55 GMT
#874
2am British time
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#892
talis - why would I think Sentinel wouldn't pick janitor?
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#904
Alright I've talked it over. I am mason and I chose the random townie option.

On May 19 2012 01:21 marvellosity wrote:
you like to talk huh zel?


This is not a breadcrumb but this was me taking a stab at what I believed zelblade had chosen given he said he was VT.

If the thread thinks it is correct I will tell you who I got, for the mo I'm gonna exercise and have dinner.
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#931
On May 19 2012 05:21 Qatol wrote:
It makes more sense for Sentinel to be mafia or traitor. Look what his claim has forced us to do. We're stuck in a situation in which we are lynching one of the top 3 living picks. If we mislynch, we probably wind up spending the next lynch arguing over the same people. And we still don't even know for sure that the Janitor role is even among these 3 players!


I thought it might be Sentinel but my gut is saying risk atm. Look what his claim has forced us to do? Look what risk did by just not choosing janitor in #2 spot. That's worse. Hypocritical of me I know.
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May 18 2012 21:33 GMT
#935
Argh. where's zelblade
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#943
##Vote: Sentinel
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#947
you did miss something, read his filter
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#1026
So Sentinel was the scum man. And Palmar attempted to go lone ranger. For god's sakes.

But all's well that ends well. Will read over the thread properly later, glad we got a good result.
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May 19 2012 15:11 GMT
#1035
Please protect me

Is risk definitely telling the truth now?
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May 19 2012 17:32 GMT
#1046
What do people think of Toad?

I've often found him pretty confusing this game and he has a bunch of long-winded posts.

In Wheel of Fortune he said he was making a specific effort as town to appear more townie and cut out the shitting up the thread, but he seems to have gone back to that here to an extent.
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May 19 2012 21:44 GMT
#1052
shit, posted in the other thread by mistake

isn't there a vote missing?
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May 19 2012 22:09 GMT
#1054
On May 20 2012 06:56 risk.nuke wrote:
prob modkilled day 1.
dec shot day 1.


Sorry, yes

I presume GMarshal must have counted talis' vote on Sentinel though, as 10 would have been needed for the lynch?
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May 20 2012 11:10 GMT
#1074
Mason has the additional power to delay day/night post once every two cycles. Mainly just to fuck everything up.

Live with it bitches
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#1092
On May 20 2012 23:34 Bluelightz wrote:
Ahh one possibility: Remaining scum chose PaqMan to be the one who sent out the kill and therefore the kill didn't happen.

Also, I think that risk is probably town, that PaqMan chose to vote him over sent in D1 is an additional fact to that, and to risk's plan. No, I don't think we should roleclaim now, it will just open up choice picks for scum to choose from each night. Results of the night we're good imo but I think Mafia shot talis because he was high up in the draft, should look at his scum reads though.



Are you sure this is how it would happen? My understanding is that both kills would go through?
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May 20 2012 14:42 GMT
#1093
On May 20 2012 23:16 Qatol wrote:
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On May 20 2012 23:03 risk.nuke wrote:
There is potentially missing kp but we should turn to that AFTER roleclaims. Don't rush.

So PaqMan's death was your shot?
And no, missing KP is definitely more important than roleclaims. I still don't think anyone should be roleclaiming unless it is adds something to the town. What do we get out of it? I think you need to give a case for why we should be roleclaiming before I'm even going to consider supporting such a plan.


The missing KP is extremely interesting here. I wonder if someone got off a nice medic save.

Anyway, I've been asked by my mason buddy to bring this up.

For whatever reason, he chose Politician. Except he didn't get it and is in fact Vanilla Townie. He speculates (and I would tend to agree) that this means that there is a Serial Killer Politician.
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#1096
EBWOP: forgot to mention - the theory is made stronger by the fact that Sentinel was lynched by only one vote and could have been saved if Politician was in mafia hands.
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#1137
Barundar looks kinda killable.
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#1138
On that kinda contributey but not contributey line. A lot of the first half of his filter is "I agree" and his breakdown of who got what numbers is useful but not in a scumhunty way. Most useful for an SK one could say
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#1150
On May 21 2012 17:00 Barundar wrote:
I see my name getting thrown around a lot without any reasons, and quite frankly it makes me less likely to contribute. I didn't take a hit last night (and why would they hit me), but hey maybe the last mafia will be nice and tell us who the sk is when we get him.


and thus makes me yet more suspicious. The glorious circle. Let's lynch him
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#1156
risk: I presume this night will finish tonight
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#1159
On May 21 2012 21:42 Palmar wrote:
Toad is another possibility, something about the way he posted day 1 makes him kinda scummy.


There remains the fact that Toad claimed VT -> mason pick. Not sure how convincing this is, but it should be a plus point for him. Although I didn't buy in to Qatol's "helped confirmed marv's claim when he desperately needed it" - actually I was under pretty much zero suspicion and people were believing my claim anyway.
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#1161
On May 21 2012 21:55 Palmar wrote:
your claim was perfectly believable, doesn't necessarily make you town, but it helps.

didn't toad claim it after you claimed mason? Or did he do it beforeþ


After by the looks of things:

On May 19 2012 03:18 Toadesstern wrote:
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On May 19 2012 03:04 marvellosity wrote:
Alright I've talked it over. I am mason and I chose the random townie option.

On May 19 2012 01:21 marvellosity wrote:
you like to talk huh zel?


This is not a breadcrumb but this was me taking a stab at what I believed zelblade had chosen given he said he was VT.

If the thread thinks it is correct I will tell you who I got, for the mo I'm gonna exercise and have dinner.


hey there. I picked mason and I got VT, just so you guys know. Not that it tells anything about his alignment but I believe his claim.


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#1166
On May 19 2012 17:55 Barundar wrote:
It actually makes me feel better about you, I wouldn't expect a mafia team with an experienced player on it to make a play like that and allow Sentinel to afk while town eventually figures him out. Marv was never really suspected because he actually took part in the discussion and seemed to want to figure things out, risk.nuke did as well eventually.

I'm not clearing sandroba though, he suggested we solved the situation with role checks and no lynch, went on to suggest a marv scenario and in the end traitor scenario.

Toad is interesting, he has been focusing a lot on how people aren't listening, I'm starting to fear he might be talking unclear because he has the wrong motivation. Gone to a null read for me.

Both can wait though, I'm fairly certain I know where I'll vote tomorrow.


Care to elaborate?
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#1168
On May 22 2012 01:48 slOosh wrote:
Actually I now also want to discuss how the SK is probably playing to get an idea of what to look for. I'm thinking making people waste rolepicks on the denial plan as well as role powers to obsess on stopping cpr or whatever fits the bill. No doubt SK will act in the interests of keeping the last mafia alive for the help in KP, but wouldn't he have started doing that with the day-vig shot? That's what I would do, let mafia and town kill each other, helping the weaker side.


Sorry, what do you mean by the bolded?
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#1169
EBWOP: ok, I get it, I'm a dunce. The Sentinel lynch came after the day-vig shot obviously.
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#1170
To answer that bit slOosh - SK may have believed risk was the scum. The vote was close after all.
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#1190
He is not my townie
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May 21 2012 21:34 GMT
#1194
On May 22 2012 06:30 hiro protagonist wrote:
risk has no gun. but that was a nice trap to see if Im reading the thread


He doesn't?
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marvellosity
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May 21 2012 21:39 GMT
#1198
The irony is delicious hiro
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May 21 2012 22:01 GMT
#1201
Qatol - or anyone - what do you think of Zephirdd being shot at/protted?

I don't understand why anyone would have been shooting at him, or why anyone would be saving him (especially the saving part).
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May 22 2012 12:15 GMT
#1231
Just to say that I did indeed get a PM saying I had been roleblocked (read: jailed)
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May 22 2012 13:45 GMT
#1253
On May 22 2012 22:42 Mattchew wrote:

and I think that snarfs/sandroba is the last scum


Based on?
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marvellosity
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May 22 2012 14:55 GMT
#1263
So I've PMed my masonee asking if I can reveal who he is.
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marvellosity
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May 22 2012 17:02 GMT
#1269
Confirming Snarfs

On May 19 2012 19:56 marvellosity wrote:
So Sentinel was the scum man. And Palmar attempted to go lone ranger. For god's sakes.

But all's well that ends well. Will read over the thread properly later, glad we got a good result.

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marvellosity
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May 22 2012 21:43 GMT
#1301
slOosh - don't forget the obvious conclusion - the claims lead to the fact that Barundar chose Politician.

So we need him to claim atm.
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May 22 2012 21:47 GMT
#1303
Barundar - SK
Zephirdd - last scum
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May 22 2012 21:48 GMT
#1304
On May 21 2012 22:13 Zephirdd wrote:
i think that makes toad and barundar viable rolecop targets. Of course a confirming rolecop(on marv, for example) would be useful. IMO any politician should be insta lynched.

also I got ninja'd because I am writting everything on phone :p


To the bolded: awfully funny given how he tried for Politician, no?
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marvellosity
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May 22 2012 22:07 GMT
#1307
Well I just can't get over how he said any Politician should be instalynched when that was his choice.

If he was town, surely he would understand what town motives there are for it as he went for it himself.

The only reason he wants to lynch the Politician is... what? because someone got it before him?
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marvellosity
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May 22 2012 22:18 GMT
#1309
On May 23 2012 07:12 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2012 06:43 marvellosity wrote:
slOosh - don't forget the obvious conclusion - the claims lead to the fact that Barundar chose Politician.

So we need him to claim atm.


I don't think that's necessarily the assumption to go with..


Toad, I just meant that if all the claims we have are true, then Barundar must be Politician.
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marvellosity
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May 22 2012 22:39 GMT
#1312
I didn't say he had to be not telling the truth. Gosh

But yes, we really need to hear from Barundar.
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marvellosity
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May 23 2012 12:20 GMT
#1332
On May 23 2012 21:17 Zephirdd wrote:
Because he has to be politician, and mafia cant be politicians because of th sentinel fiasco.

follow zelblade's plan. Lynch barundar and shoot me/hiro IF he flips town. Wont be necessary though, he is the sk.


I still want to know why you said we should be instalynching Politicians.
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May 23 2012 12:23 GMT
#1335
On May 23 2012 21:22 zelblade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2012 21:20 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2012 21:17 Zephirdd wrote:
Because he has to be politician, and mafia cant be politicians because of th sentinel fiasco.

follow zelblade's plan. Lynch barundar and shoot me/hiro IF he flips town. Wont be necessary though, he is the sk.


I still want to know why you said we should be instalynching Politicians.


Because any townie that doesnt claim they took the goddammed role (and got it) after all this crap is dumb as fuck, and I would like to think that this isnt the case



What?
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marvellosity
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May 23 2012 12:33 GMT
#1339
On May 23 2012 21:27 zelblade wrote:
Okay marv lets go slowly.

First you claim that snarfs took politician and didnt get it, and we assume that the SK took politician.
Qatol proceeds to ask any town politician to claim if they got the role for obvious reasons. I see 0 reason for a townie politician to not claim at this point because it isnt even a strong role.
Which means that a politician is in the game, and if he didnt claim, that would mean that the politician isnt town (unless he isnt very smart). The primary purpose of this entire roleclaim was to flush out the politician in the first place.

Which is why we are auto-lynching the politician, because it is extremely likely whoever has the politician role is the SK.


Thank you zel <3 it appears I may be being stupid. I thought Zephirdd's comment came at an earlier time. I will go back and check to confirm I fucked up the order of things
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marvellosity
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May 23 2012 12:38 GMT
#1341
On May 23 2012 21:33 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2012 21:27 zelblade wrote:
Okay marv lets go slowly.

First you claim that snarfs took politician and didnt get it, and we assume that the SK took politician.
Qatol proceeds to ask any town politician to claim if they got the role for obvious reasons. I see 0 reason for a townie politician to not claim at this point because it isnt even a strong role.
Which means that a politician is in the game, and if he didnt claim, that would mean that the politician isnt town (unless he isnt very smart). The primary purpose of this entire roleclaim was to flush out the politician in the first place.

Which is why we are auto-lynching the politician, because it is extremely likely whoever has the politician role is the SK.


Thank you zel <3 it appears I may be being stupid. I thought Zephirdd's comment came at an earlier time. I will go back and check to confirm I fucked up the order of things


Alright, yep, Zephirdd's comment came after. Oops.
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May 23 2012 14:27 GMT
#1345
Doesn't it hinge on slOosh definitely telling the truth?
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marvellosity
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May 23 2012 14:51 GMT
#1348
But slOosh could lie. Why doesn't framer matter? And the GF could blow it apart.

Too many holes when we've already narrowed down the lynch targets so much.
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marvellosity
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May 23 2012 16:15 GMT
#1356
Snarfs just clearly wrote out the result of my babbled thoughts to him in PM. So

##Vote: hiro protagonist
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marvellosity
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May 23 2012 16:16 GMT
#1357
Toad, I disagree. Snarfs comment explains why hiro is the superior lynch.
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marvellosity
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May 23 2012 16:26 GMT
#1362
On May 24 2012 01:24 Toadesstern wrote:
because as mentioned I don't really have the platform to do that in this game anymore.



As an aside, stop with this kind of posting. People get things very wrong all the time, and it's more of a townie trait than scum as townies have less information. If I stopped being assertive every time I was spectacularly wrong, I'd rarely post past Day 1.
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marvellosity
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May 24 2012 09:49 GMT
#1400
fml
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May 24 2012 15:16 GMT
#1403
I still don't get it. What did Barundar think he was achieving by doing this? We either lynch him first or we definitely lynch him 2nd. Just bizarre
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marvellosity
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May 24 2012 17:33 GMT
#1410
On May 25 2012 02:29 Barundar wrote:
You should really stop using "playing against your win condition" if you really mean "doesn't make sense in my opinion" . Took a gamble and sadly Hiro was neither mafia or town enough for me to get a no lynch.


Giggle. This cycle is truly in limbo ^_^
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marvellosity
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May 25 2012 13:52 GMT
#1439
##Vote: Barundar
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marvellosity
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May 27 2012 18:53 GMT
#1473
On May 28 2012 01:40 Qatol wrote:
Tough luck, Barundar. You really didn't have much of a chance this game other than the gamble you tried for in Day 3.

Anyways, with him flipping SK, we know for sure that we are looking for a mafia (Misder) or a mafia and a traitor (if Misder is not mafia). I think the latter case is more likely.

We have 10 townies and 1 mafia or 9 townies, 1 mafia, and 1 traitor left. This means we have 2 mislynches and 1 missed vigi hit (assuming the mafia doesn't hit the traitor) to burn. This is obviously changed if we kill the mafia sooner. risk.nuke, please tell us who you will be shooting tonight. I recommend Zephirdd, however, I'd like to hear Snarfs's opinion on Misder.

Who wins if we have 1 townie and 1 traitor remaining? Is it a draw?


I may have missed this, but why are you so set on Misder?
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marvellosity
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May 28 2012 01:34 GMT
#1477
On May 28 2012 10:32 Qatol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2012 08:27 risk.nuke wrote:
I find it massivly unlikely impossible that Misder would roleblock me to protect the SK.

It is unlikely. That being said, I'm trying to make sure that nothing can surprise us at this point. And it definitely is in the mafia's best interest to roleblock you to protect the SK.


I disagree, Barundar was getting lynched the next day if the shot didn't go through 100%.

Risking a roleblock in this situation as Misder would be insanity.
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marvellosity
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May 28 2012 12:22 GMT
#1487
On May 28 2012 20:54 Toadesstern wrote:
I know who got roleblocked :3


Care to enlighten us then?
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marvellosity
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May 28 2012 12:23 GMT
#1488
On May 28 2012 21:22 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2012 20:54 Toadesstern wrote:
I know who got roleblocked :3


Care to enlighten us then?


Oh I misread your post maybe - you said 'he roleblocked me yesterday' - you meant he roleblocked you during the night we just had?
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marvellosity
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May 28 2012 12:28 GMT
#1490
Sorry yep, ok. The reason I jumped on it is because I was roleblocked last night.

But that would have been Qatol jailing me I presume.
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May 28 2012 12:37 GMT
#1493
Misder, why did you choose roleblocker anyway?
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May 28 2012 14:39 GMT
#1494
Toad, have you lied to us this game?
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marvellosity
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May 28 2012 20:33 GMT
#1498
because we're lynching him today
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May 28 2012 20:51 GMT
#1500
I admit sandroba looks bad.

But he was voting for Sentinel on quite a weird reason at the time. Snarfs and I can't quite get over why he'd bus like that when the votes were so close.
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marvellosity
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May 29 2012 11:09 GMT
#1510
On May 29 2012 09:21 Snarfs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2012 09:05 Mattchew wrote:
I am not voting toad, I don't think he is scum. I think that sandroba is scum

What about Toad makes you think he is town?


It boils down to this for me.

1) sandroba in general looks scummier. But as Snarfs posted some of our PM above, his redeeming feature was his day 1 vote
2) Toad doesn't look as scummy. But what makes anyone comfortable that he is town?

Toad makes what I presume is a valid point about sandroba bussing people (I say I presume because no-one disagreed). Not totally sure which is the right choice atm :x
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May 29 2012 16:02 GMT
#1515
We've not discussed it, so feel free

Just a little note that I hammer voted Sentinel ^^
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May 29 2012 16:11 GMT
#1517
On May 30 2012 01:08 Mattchew wrote:
Yes Marv your scum play is scary however.. And the fact that the remaining scum hasn't conceded at 8-1 is perplexing to me.. I'm not saying you should be lynched before sandroba or zel or toad but it's just food for thought... I think sum taking the mason role is highly viable cause it is stronger in town hands then scums.. An you get instant town cred for being mason'd with a townie


Yes, that's fair enough. It'd be a fucking boss scum play. But you'd have to presume

1) I wouldn't take a strong mafia role at #3
2) I hammer voted Sentinel despite being on the fence and actually attacking risk more during the day

With any luck Snarfs thinks I'm town anyway.

More likely than me taking mason and hammer voting scum is that you shot scum day 1 for credit as scum. Just sayin' like.
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May 29 2012 16:29 GMT
#1519
Alright, I've asked Snarfs
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May 30 2012 00:48 GMT
#1525
No Toad, if we lynch sandro next and he's mafia then you'll be happy because town won.
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marvellosity
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May 30 2012 12:03 GMT
#1528
On May 30 2012 09:12 GMarshal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2012 02:24 risk.nuke wrote:
Are they allowed to post their obs-qt link/pm's or do they need to post the conversation manually
x said: stuff
y said: stuff

No posting qt links under pain of death.


This didn't quite answer the question. Can I post my PMs with my masonee?
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marvellosity
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May 30 2012 15:20 GMT
#1531
On May 30 2012 01:11 marvellosity wrote:

Yes, that's fair enough. It'd be a fucking boss scum play. But you'd have to presume

1) I wouldn't take a strong mafia role at #3
2) I hammer voted Sentinel despite being on the fence and actually attacking risk more during the day

With any luck Snarfs thinks I'm town anyway.

More likely than me taking mason and hammer voting scum is that you shot scum day 1 for credit as scum. Just sayin' like.


On May 30 2012 12:52 Snarfs wrote:
I told marv he can post them, but I don't think he's scum.


So why is Matt townie??

I think sandroba is the clear lynch favourite for reasons I'll go into later
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May 30 2012 15:21 GMT
#1532
re: Misder, I don't know why he has to be townie. I did go over his filter yesterday or the day before and found clues he'd choose roleblocker, though (as I found it an odd choice)
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May 30 2012 16:00 GMT
#1534
On May 31 2012 00:59 Mattchew wrote:
Matt is townie cause he shot the cpr doc 2 minutes into the game with no copycat
Risk is townie cause he shot paqman
Snarfs is townie cause you mason'd him


So the fuck what you did? That's no more convincing than anything I have on my side.
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May 30 2012 16:17 GMT
#1536
On May 31 2012 01:14 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 01:00 marvellosity wrote:
On May 31 2012 00:59 Mattchew wrote:
Matt is townie cause he shot the cpr doc 2 minutes into the game with no copycat
Risk is townie cause he shot paqman
Snarfs is townie cause you mason'd him


So the fuck what you did? That's no more convincing than anything I have on my side.

because my plan would be what? shoot my teammate (who has a KP every night) and be done with it? I was in the 5th spot, I coulda picked so many other roles as scum that would have helped my innocence without compromising my teammates.


That's why it'd be such a strong scum play.
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marvellosity
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May 31 2012 12:55 GMT
#1543
Arg, where is everybody?

To Matt: I find my hypothesis on you plausible. However, I find it significantly less plausible than the idea that one of sandroba/zelblade is scum. I'd heavily favoured sandroba over zelblade but Snarfs has given me pause for thought.

There's still a buttload of townies left so can we please get some dicussion on this?
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marvellosity
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May 31 2012 23:37 GMT
#1546
On June 01 2012 08:36 Misder wrote:
I roleblocked sandroba, not that it matters really.

Bleh. I think I'm gonna have to vote zelblade just because he was voting for risk.nuke for pretty poor reasoning. I've actually have been getting more town vibes from him than sandroba except for the one inconsistency that Snarfs pointed out. But, I can kinda believe a bored sandroba, though I don't actually know his meta. Still thinking about this one.

At this point, it's whether or not zelblade + sentinel could be scum team, but idk what that team would be trying to do (bailing PaqMan out?). We were all already trying to get Janitor to out day 1 though, so would would zelblade scum take that risk?

Also, if we do decide to lynch sandroba, I can roleblock zelblade, so even if zelblade was copycat or something, nothing worse would happen.


misder, sandroba is active as hell as town, and is bored/dislikes playing mafia

look at his filter in liar for 'bored' sandroba mafia
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June 01 2012 12:35 GMT
#1550
risk baby, could really do with your input around now
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June 01 2012 13:33 GMT
#1552
Palmar got mod-killed and was townie
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
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June 01 2012 20:07 GMT
#1554
sandroba's last post is the only townie thing he's done all game. I can't let him off the hook for that.

Too much bad stuff. Not wanting to deny CPR. No-lynch plans. Came up with lynching me day 1 because he didn't read the thread. Much more uninvolved than I would expect a town sandroba to be.
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June 01 2012 20:07 GMT
#1555
##Vote Sandroba
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June 02 2012 23:07 GMT
#1562
I'm actually gobsmacked it wasn't sandroba. I had him as higher chance than everyone else put together. Arg.
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June 03 2012 10:52 GMT
#1568
I thought our plan was sandroba - zelblade.

I'm still amazed sandroba flipped townie but we should use this information imo. He's a vet scumhunter and yesterday he was in the unique position of knowing he was not scum. He leant heavily on zelblade as the final scum.

##Vote: zelblade
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June 03 2012 11:09 GMT
#1569
Plus Snarfs also thought zelblade had a good chance of flipping scum.

Guys, I don't wanna let this go the way of the no-lynch.
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June 03 2012 19:25 GMT
#1571
On June 04 2012 02:16 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2012 20:09 marvellosity wrote:
Plus Snarfs also thought zelblade had a good chance of flipping scum.

Guys, I don't wanna let this go the way of the no-lynch.

why, (not accusatory, actual wonder)


Good question. Not sure really, but with my masonee and sandroba each having zelblade is scum it seems the right way to go.

Plus this game has become a bit of a graveyard and I'm not sure I can bear waiting another 48/72 hours to be put in the same position
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June 03 2012 20:37 GMT
#1573
On June 04 2012 04:49 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2012 04:25 marvellosity wrote:
On June 04 2012 02:16 Mattchew wrote:
On June 03 2012 20:09 marvellosity wrote:
Plus Snarfs also thought zelblade had a good chance of flipping scum.

Guys, I don't wanna let this go the way of the no-lynch.

why, (not accusatory, actual wonder)


Good question. Not sure really, but with my masonee and sandroba each having zelblade is scum it seems the right way to go.

Plus this game has become a bit of a graveyard and I'm not sure I can bear waiting another 48/72 hours to be put in the same position

i mean we are in mylo, if we no-lynch we just take out 1 more person from the pool cant hurt


maybe you're right. I never got the no-lynch mylo thing. scum don't have to kill :/
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marvellosity
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June 04 2012 13:12 GMT
#1577
You conveniently forget, zelblade, that it wasn't just them who were removing doubt from me.

No-one really had doubts about me, town and scum alike. The only one was sandroba who managed to not read the thread.

Given Qatol kept protecting me, Snarfs called me townie, and sandroba the same, I'm not sure where you're going with this.

Thank you for your post though, you just confirmed yourself as scum. Nice job there
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marvellosity
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June 04 2012 21:45 GMT
#1579
On June 05 2012 06:36 Misder wrote:
zelblade- Why did you leave your vote on risk.nuke day 1? Why did you claim JOAT so late/without crumbing? Is there anything else besides shooting deconduo that makes him town?

marvellosity- Why did that post of zelbade confirm himself as scum?

Mattchew- Why were you accusing people of being scum without any backup?

##Vote: No lynch


Because he's backed into a corner and finally forced to pick a target. If you really want me to dissect his pathetic case line by line, I will do so.

Do not vote no-lynch, zelblade is scum.
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June 05 2012 10:32 GMT
#1594
This is pretty retarded.
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June 05 2012 10:37 GMT
#1595
Mattchew, the mind boggles to me that you're considering me for last scum. I 'considered' you as well but it's too circumstancial compared to zelblade.

Looks like I am going to have to make a proper long consolidated post later to try to end this derp.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
June 05 2012 15:17 GMT
#1597
Gonna answer briefly about the first lynch - Snarfs said 'if you are more than 60% sure risk is scum then you should vote to lynch him'. I was 50/50 so I went with sentinel
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
June 05 2012 15:20 GMT
#1598
if i'd known this bullshit was going to come up i would have got snarfs to confirm a bunch of things i said. ugh
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
June 05 2012 15:29 GMT
#1600
I was under the impression when GMarshal said 'no posting qt links under pain of death' or whatever that I wasn't supposed to
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
June 05 2012 15:31 GMT
#1602
obviously i meant it as i wasn't supposed to. i will dig up some relevant stuff to copy paste then, shouldn't take me long
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
June 05 2012 15:33 GMT
#1603
Original Message From marvellosity:
I just don't know. Like in my message below, the fact that risk was upfront with how anti-townie he is being doesn't necessarily make him a townie.

Your point on the blue role is what sways it for me. Sentinel is either scum janitor or VT. risk is either scum janitor or a pretty powerful town role.

Everyone says I should claim. Should I?

Original Message From Snarfs:
That is a very good question. Just looking at the player though, he seems like the type that would indeed, as mafia, try to go along with town as long as possible to blend in. I think that he's not a strong enough player to think that far ahead.

Either way though, it makes the most sense to lynch Sentinel now. Even if you're 50/50. Because we do not run the risk of lynching a blue role if he is town and it would confirm risk is the mafia. Not bad for a day 1.

However, if you're more than say, 60% sure that risk is the scum, then it makes more sense to go after him.

I'd say I'm more like 65% sure that Sentinel is the liar here. Risk's posting and aggressiveness seems quite towny. He's being very clear in his thoughts. Sentinel has not let us into his brain at all, which I deem very mafia-esque.

Original Message From marvellosity:
What I really don't like about risk:

On May 18 2012 03:30 risk.nuke wrote:
I'm not the janitor. And if the town is a mess it's not my fault. Protip: stop complaining about it and take some action.


Wrong, the town is in a mess because of him. He created the mess by not picking janitor. On the other side of the coin, he was fairly open about it. But is being fairly open about being anti-town a plus point? I'm not so sure. The other interesting thing is that he immediately voted Sentinel for claiming VT, thinking he was following him on the list. Two options there: 1) he was telling the truth about not choosing janitor, so Sentinel must be scum. this explains the vote. 2) he chose janitor and is trying to cover up his scuminess by claiming and voting sentinel as the liar. For me, even if he is janitor scum, I hesitate to think that he'd still immediately vote for Sentinel on that basis, it seems too bold. Do you see what I'm saying? 1) seems more likely given how he simply immediately voted him.

Re: Sentinel. If he's town, then he's telling the truth and risk is scum and there's not much else to it. Now if he's scum. This is where my head starts to hurt. Assume sentinel scum/risk town. risk states he's not going to choose janitor. So sentinel would choose janitor. QUESTION: would he lie about it? so sentinel got janitor, so he could claim janitor. but this runs the risk (ffs risk puns) that risk actually chose janitor after all, thus initiating a 1 for 1 swap. Not good for mafia. The only safe play is to claim VT when you have 2 players above you instead of 1 to cast suspicion on. But that leads on to another question: if sentinel was scum and wanted to choose janitor, why did he agree to choose janitor in the thread? would it not make more sense for him to say "no, that's what failsafe #3 is for". Although my pick was supposed to be RNG... hmm. His claim on VT is very weak as you say. I suppose all my rambling leads to the question just mentioned - what's the likelihood that sentinel would have agreed to try to choose janitor in the thread if he was scum?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
June 05 2012 23:43 GMT
#1604
Well you can all see my logs there, take what you will. Gonna post what zelblade said on me in full here so I can just respond to it

On June 04 2012 14:59 zelblade wrote:
Which leads me to believe that the last scum is marvellosity. I find it extremely wierd that he took the mason role at spot 3. I believe that he did so in order to deny sandroba mason. Sandroba happens to be a vet, and the mason role in his hands, which I speculate would have been used by him to get into contact with one his stronger town reads (probably Qatol) would probably be extremely dangerous for scum. Not only that, doing so would allow him to get into a decent position, primilarly due to the fact that whoever he got masoned with would be inclined to think that he was town. I dont think picking a scumbuddy would be a good move for mason, since there would be a lot of explanation to do when the partner flipped.

Looking through what happened D1, one would notice that marv manages to escape a lot of the attention despite being part of the situation then.
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Anyways, I believe marv. Because there is literally no explanation why he would claim mason of all roles as scum. Which makes it risk.nuke's turn to get up on the noose.

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Take the FoS off Qatol and replace it with Sent and Risk. I haven't read into Marv yet but as of now I'd like to keep the lynch candidates between those two. But this time I feel risk is a lot scummier than sent.

Quotes from sentinel and Paqman D1 (flipped scum). You would notice here that both of them are attempting to push along the risk wagon, whilst at the same time removing doubt from marv. I find how marv managed to escape most of the attention D1 despite not following the plan too. As I stated earlier, I found marv's action to not follow the plan despite saying that he would extremely scummy as well, simply due to the fact that it was the optimal move for scum as janitor would be a dead role.

I think that marv is the last scum. I would be fine with lynching him today, though I wouldnt mind a no-lynch either.


On June 05 2012 11:42 zelblade wrote:

@Marv

I am relatively sure the primary reason snarfs didnt mention you was because he knew your role. So I dont get why you are using him as an example.

Either way the way the day progressed was simple. Snarfs asked who got janitor, I mention that there is something wierd going on up in the top 4. Sent claims that he "did not get janitor", and Snarfs votes sent. He does not consider you as a possibility simply because you are his mason buddy and we were janitor hunting. Traitor zeph dumps his vote onto risk, and sent comes back to post this
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On May 18 2012 04:05 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Sorry bout that, was in school.

Anyways. I am Vanilla Town and not Janitor. So I'm claiming either risk or marvel is the janitor. And I don't trust risk. Because risk does not like the plan.


Naturally this triggers a reaction from risk, who proceeds to vote him. Simply put, a combanation of snarfs being your buddy and heavily pushing the lynch in sent's direction, combined with sent claiming that you were a less likely possibility, made it such that you were pretty much removed from people's thought processes. And no Qatol didnt protect you continously, his primary reason for voting sentinel was that it was the best move.
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Yes I agree. While I still think that PaqMan is our best lynch target, it's clear that he won't be getting lynched this cycle. Any further pushing I do on the subject will just further splinter the town and make a no lynch/mislynch more likely. I'll have to look at filters and histories more carefully for risk.nuke, marvellosity, and Sentinel before I make a final decision, but I'll make a few observations:
1. Unless we lynch Sentinel, we don't even know for sure that the Janitor role is among the first 3 players at all. For all we know, the first 2 players took something else and Sentinel is mafia and just lying. Sentinel is also, like Snarfs mentioned, the one of the three who is claiming not to have a role. If we assume 2 townies and 1 scum (if there were 2 scum, I can't imagine that they wouldn't just have one member claim the role to avoid giving the town incredible odds of destroying their team), that means that at least 1 of the townies has a role which is probably pretty good considering where they're picking.

2. I could definitely see risk.nuke acting like this as a townie. Notice that he wanted to post his numbers so nobody else would pick them before the game even started and posted them immediately when the game did start. This shows that he's impulsive and rather selfish in his actions. He's also the only one of the three who said he wouldn't be picking Janitor or CPR before the drafting phase ended.

I'll do a more in depth analysis tomorrow, but for now, logic say vote Sentinel, so I'll preliminarily vote for him.
##Unvote: PaqMan
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel


The fact that he doesnt even mention you proves my point.


Alright, so the first quote, there's two points. 1) I picked mason, denying sandroba 2) people did not suspect me, and especially the scum.

I picked mason because I wanted to try being mason. Talking to Radfield pre-draft, I told him I was interested in pardoner, politician, and mason. The first two primarily because I found lynch-related roles interesting. Generally being things like a dt, cop, vigilante aren't really that interesting to me. Anyway it turned out that pardoner and politician were pretty likely anti-town roles, so I chose mason instead. That's really all there is to it. By choosing RNG townie, I gave town a FREE CONFIRMED TOWNIE, and for some reason this is less important than the fact sandroba ended up VT? ...

Point 2, scum did not suspect me and actively tried to push the lynch on to risk. Well, fucking duh. I was not really a realistic lynch target for anyone, why would scum waste their time trying to push the lynch on to me? Clearly they HAD to do everything they could to push it on to risk, who was receiving much more attention. Diverting attention to me would be insanity. Given how close it was this was clearly the optimal move. And oh yeah, I VOTED FOR SENTINEL.

Second quote: "I am relatively sure the primary reason snarfs didnt mention you was because he knew your role. So I dont get why you are using him as an example." I wasn't using Snarfs as an example in that situation, I was saying that Snarfs believes me to be townie. Take a look at one of his last posts wherever it is.

No idea where zelblade is going with the Qatol thing. No, Qatol didn't protect me every night, but he did protect me twice, including the last night he was alive, suggesting he maintained a town-read on me. zel goes on to quote Qatol talking about Sentinel, saying the fact that Qatol doesn't mention me 'proves his point'. His point? That everyone saw me as pretty townie and barely worth considering for the lynch?

The entire thrust of your case is that people found me too townie to lynch and therefore I am scum. Anyone else see the flaw here? Just a reminder, I did not have to vote for Sentinel (as the logs show, Snarfs did not pressure me either way) and I chose RNG mason to give town a free confirmed townie.

I'll freely admit that I thought sandroba was the last scum. But he clearly put effort into his final post, thusly:

On June 01 2012 09:16 sandroba wrote:
I've reread this whole fucking thing and here are my conclusions. So the possibilities are:

Zelblade mafia - Went for vigilante or dayvigi, didn't get it and said things in thread about janitor. This may have happened, but if it did surely it was a pretty bad mistake that got sentinel killed, but it's not like mistakes didn't happen a lot in this game. Looking at the mafia picks it's possible that they went for a mass kp strat and tried to get cpr/joat/vigi/dayvigi. Zelblade got pissed off he didn't get vigi and complained in the thread about shenanigans on the janitor role since he knew only a few townies could have gone for it. Also assuming paqman had gone for dayvigi/vig and sent, zelblade could pretty much conclude the townies didn't go for janitor.
@zelblade How did you conclude shenanigans had been going on with the janitor role when you didn't get JOAT?
Looking through his filter i found some gems of soft defending mafia:
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On May 17 2012 20:28 zelblade wrote:
Qatol's case on Paqman is interesting. To be honest - I think that paqman's reasonings for his posting are actually pretty decent. I can understand what he means by not being able to contribute much due to fact that plans were discussed during his absense - this is actually similar for me - I was in school for most of the draft phase, and by the time I got back there wasnt much to do other than give opinions on the plan.

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On May 19 2012 01:20 zelblade wrote:
So Toad if that is what you think why is your vote on sentinel? Theres several hours left, use it to convince people (well or try to) to actually vote for who you think is scum?

It's also weird that he didn't change his vote to sentinel when risk claimed he didn't pick JOAT, since if risk was mafia he could have said he picked JOAT and still get sentinel lynched. Thus, from zelblade's perspective sentinel was the most logical vote. Mind you that the votes were really close.


marv - Now this gets interesting. It is possible that he is mafia, denying me the mason role which I had claimed I planned to take, not taking the useless (if claimed) janitor role and getting himself to look really good. But looking at his filter I can't really see it happening, I see several behavior clues that points to him being town. Also mason had to pick which type of mason day 1, and stronger play for mafia would be to take one scum buddy as his partner.

So the conclusion I arrived at is that zelblade is mafia. Everybody should be voting for him and I'm sorry I claimed he is unlikely mafia before due to not reading enough and not assigning enough time to this game due to D3. If you guys want to lynch me that's okay as long as you lynch zelblade tomorrow. Also just so you know if I was mafia this game I would totally have forfeited after the sk was killed, since I hate being mafia, the position was pretty much unwinnable for me since some people already wanted to lynch me (and I suck at being mafia) and I want to focus on D3.


Veteran scumhunter finally pulls his finger out of his ass (sorry love) and believes zelblade scum (as did snarfs...). Can we just win now please?

[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
June 06 2012 12:03 GMT
#1606
##Vote zelblade
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
June 06 2012 12:54 GMT
#1608
I wasn't 'wifoming' about my pick, the fact is I gave town a confirmed town, an incredibly strong town thing to do.

And no obviously they're not all my logs, but Matt was asking about the situation regarding me voting Sentinel day 1.

Where Matt was leaning? Need I remind you he voted you the day before, not for no lynch, not for me.

Again, your case rests on me being too townie, the fact that I voted for scum, the fact that everyone thought I was townie, the fact Qatol protected me twice, the fact SANDROBA thought I was townie, the fact sandroba thought you were scum, the fact Snarfs thought you were scum, the fact Matt voted for YOU.

You have nothing to redeem you.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
June 06 2012 13:29 GMT
#1610
I can't even respond to that post properly because it's such a pile of wishy-washy crap :/

Matt wasn't 'clearly changing his mind', what drugs are you on?

As explained, scum had nothing to gain from pushing me when they were so close to a risk mislynch - a risk in position 2 I remind you.

Snarfs probably wouldn't think I was mafia because I was masoned with him? What is this crap? He would have the MOST insight into whether I was mafia because I shared my thoughts and ramblings to him.

And what the hell is your final question/statement? It doesn't even make sense.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
June 06 2012 13:48 GMT
#1612
Because posting my logs would take a lot of time as not everything is in one thread.

KILLING RISK IS BETTER THAN NO LYNCH.

You voted risk.

I voted Sentinel.

No, it's a lot harder to convince someone you're town when you communicate privately, because they have A LOT MORE INFORMATION than everyone else. What did Snarfs think with all this extra info? that i was TOWN

Mason CONFIRMING TOWNIE to town, voting Sentinel, everyone thinks zelblade is scum and I am town.

Matt 'might' have changed his mind - gosh you make a strong case.

I'm done with this thread. There's no more to argue with you.

Misder, I will nominate you for biggest blooper if you manage to lynch me today. The fact I'm even having this conversation with zelblade is ridiculous.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
June 06 2012 13:56 GMT
#1614
On June 06 2012 22:48 marvellosity wrote:
Because posting my logs would take a lot of time as not everything is in one thread.

No, it's a lot harder to convince someone you're town when you communicate privately, because they have A LOT MORE INFORMATION than everyone else. What did Snarfs think with all this extra info? that i was TOWN


[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
June 07 2012 10:08 GMT
#1648
So WHY THE FUCK did chaoser end this 24 hours early?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-07 10:59:29
June 07 2012 10:08 GMT
#1649
dtgdfgfdgdfgdfgdfgdf
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-07 10:59:49
June 07 2012 10:12 GMT
#1650
like, why are we even discussing this postgame as if the mafia won?

this game is totally null and it's fucking rididucous because unless Misder is a total moron he would have killed zelblade. I am so pissed off right now.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
June 07 2012 11:51 GMT
#1654
GMarshal doesn't have much luck as host... LI and now this :/

On the bright side Matt, you've probably been eclipsed
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
June 07 2012 12:24 GMT
#1656
On June 07 2012 21:18 Toadesstern wrote:
ftw. How did you guys not lynch zelblade?

Haven't really followed since I died but I figured this is a won game because it's either Sandroba or Zelblade


Can you not read???
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
June 07 2012 12:28 GMT
#1659
yeah, oh
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-07 12:31:38
June 07 2012 12:31 GMT
#1661
On June 07 2012 21:30 Toadesstern wrote:
that's kind of depressing. Isn't it a modkill as well because Misder did not vote?
That just sucks, it's LI all over again...


no, you still haven't read the thread dear

you can't modkill for someone for not voting when they had an extra 24 hours to, in fact, vote
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
June 07 2012 14:16 GMT
#1669
On June 07 2012 23:14 zelblade wrote:
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On June 07 2012 22:49 strongandbig wrote:
Wow... I just want to say that this game has been amazing to watch. I do think that zelblade would have been lynched and town would have won, but I would be super frustrated if I'd been playing (ie, see the holy roman thread - this endgame seems similar to that one.)

But just in terms of weird, weird actions, this game has been awesome.

I can't believe that mattchew's instavig hit scum. I guess it was more likely than Drazerk's, but still...

Zelblade, I have to say you had me wondering for a minute if Marv was actually some kind of scum super mastermind, but then I came to my senses. Still, it was a very nice try at the end.


Well I was grasping at straws to be honest. Not much to attack


Yes, that's the thing - you had to do SOMETHING. And credit to you for giving it a real go. Interestingly I still had nagging doubts on Misder up until you attacked me, hence my post saying you'd confirmed yourself as scum to me. You were in an almost impossible situation.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
June 07 2012 14:26 GMT
#1671
Might have to read up on your filter, zel... you slipped me by up until Snarfs started pushing you at me in PMs.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
June 07 2012 16:04 GMT
#1680
magic, check the last day post here
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
June 07 2012 17:00 GMT
#1683
be quiet Qatol, you played excellently
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
June 07 2012 17:32 GMT
#1686
Snarfs, you make me all warm and tingly
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
June 07 2012 19:06 GMT
#1691
agree with Matt
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
June 11 2012 21:11 GMT
#1730
On June 09 2012 00:05 zelblade wrote:
Yea the way this game played out made it pretty hard for sk to win

On a side note I still havent been lynched before :D


well, you can barely say you avoided it here, dear
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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