EPTSandroba was vote 8 or so on sentinel which doesnt really make sense to me if he's scum. He could just as easily gone for risk at that point rather than put his teammate who gets to use a kp if he survives the day so close to being lynched.
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
Sandroba was vote 8 or so on sentinel which doesnt really make sense to me if he's scum. He could just as easily gone for risk at that point rather than put his teammate who gets to use a kp if he survives the day so close to being lynched. | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
And don't be fooled by people voting for sentinel. It's not that hard to understand that he would had died eventually and that scum might have chosen to get on him earlier to make themselves look better. I'm not saying it is so but you have to take that possibility into consideration. Noting is absolute. Marv: I'm not going to shoot you. It's just something the morons got in their head because they are morons and either can't follow a simple train of thoughts or are just not caring to read my filter. And where are you Sandroba? | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
Sentinel was joat and had a kp. Surely they would want to preserve that and waste the day two lynch as well. | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On May 19 2012 18:54 risk.nuke wrote: Sentinel going awol was the smartest thing he did. It made you guys to ignore how obvious he was the scum and caused 2 unnecessary roleclaims and he even nearly got away with it. Palmar the only excuse I "might" had been able to buy from you would have been a "sorry I haven't cared about this game". Your neglect to have any input on any plans, lack of scumhunting continuous support for bad plans and dumb actions just isn't possible from town a perspective. As much as I would love to kill palmar I think it's too complicated for me to do it when we don't know where the roles are. I think a better plan would be to say. Jailer, Roleblocker and Angry Vigilante should all go for him and see if they can manage to take him out. With 2 scum in the upper draft dead and the current situation I'm thinking about if maybe it would be good to do an organized mass roleclaim. I'm thinking we start at the bottom of the draft with Sandroba and after he's posted what role he sent in it's Qatols turn. When he have posted it's clear for snarfs to go etc. The manner of the roleclaim I think should be What role you sent in. OBS: Not if you got it or not. Thoughts? Angry Vigilante can't shoot tonight. In fact, tonight should be very illuminating about what happened with the Copy Cat. If I'm not mistaken, there are only 4 possible shots tonight because JOAT is dead: Vigilante, Copy Cat (CPR), Mafia, SK. Why on earth do you want to give the mafia/SK more information right now? A mass roleclaim MIGHT make sense if we need to hunt for the Copy Cat. But what value would it give us right now? All it would do is tell the Mafia and SK which players they should be gunning for. I'd like to keep the locations of roles like the Doctor, Role Cop, and Bullet Bill as hidden as possible, thank you. (Doctor is by far the highest priority target for SK right now, Role Cop is probably second, depending on what role the SK got. Mafia also don't want to see a town Doctor in the game, depending on their role selections, Role Cop could also be very bad, and Bullet Bill is definitely extremely bad for mafia.) On May 19 2012 22:40 Toadesstern wrote: hinthint: As you said, there have to be 2 liars OR risk is the liar because if Risk is the liar it all works with only one liar as well. Occhams razzor says we should lynch risk. No, if risk was lying, then zelblade or marvellosity must have been lying as well. Occam's Razor says lynch Sentinel, who only required 1 liar. On May 19 2012 23:37 Mattchew wrote: I think any townie with a gun should shoot barundar Why, exactly, is Barundar the best target? On May 20 2012 00:11 marvellosity wrote: Please protect me Is risk definitely telling the truth now? I think Doctor should use their best judgment on who to protect, considering the roles at stake as well as probable alignments of players. Jailer should jail Risk. Witch should consider using their ability tonight (it really should be used either tonight or Night 2), depending on the likelihood the witch thinks they will get shot/lynched before Night 2 vs. the potential chance to block the Angry Vigilante's shot. Risk probably isn't mafia, at least. It would be completely insane (as opposed to just incredibly gutsy) for them to pull a stunt like they did with Sentinel if 2 of the 3 players in that group were scum. That being said, he isn't confirmed either. | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
And you avoided answering what you thought about roleclaiming. Ofcourse we're not doing it tonight. What part of what I said made you believe I wanted to do it tonight? I'm not asking you to roleclaim now. I'm asking if you think it's a good move or a bad move. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
I've often found him pretty confusing this game and he has a bunch of long-winded posts. In Wheel of Fortune he said he was making a specific effort as town to appear more townie and cut out the shitting up the thread, but he seems to have gone back to that here to an extent. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
Is it because the mafia are likely in the lower drafts so they have a harder time lying? | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On May 20 2012 02:28 risk.nuke wrote: Yes thanks you three people have reminded us that the angry vigilante can not shoot tonight and I never even said he should. I ment if we're going to try to take out the serial killer with a vig then I am ill-suited for it. I'd prefer to lynch Palmar tomorrow so there can be no janitor shenanigans. And you avoided answering what you thought about roleclaiming. Ofcourse we're not doing it tonight. What part of what I said made you believe I wanted to do it tonight? I'm not asking you to roleclaim now. I'm asking if you think it's a good move or a bad move. I think it doesn't make sense to roleclaim right now. It might make sense in the future, and I'll address it again at that time. But for right now, I'm very much against it. I assumed you were asking for a roleclaim tonight because you proposed it right now. My apologies if that wasn't your intent. On May 20 2012 03:17 slOosh wrote: Is there a particular reason why we go bottom up rather than top down? Is it because the mafia are likely in the lower drafts so they have a harder time lying? I think the idea is that people don't know for sure if the role was taken by someone higher up if you go bottom up. But that only matters if you only do a partial mass roleclaim. Otherwise, the only rationale I can think of is that it's harder to claim you picked a role already picked but got vanilla. The second phase of the role claim would have to be a claim of whether or not you got the role you aimed for. On May 20 2012 02:32 marvellosity wrote: What do people think of Toad? I've often found him pretty confusing this game and he has a bunch of long-winded posts. In Wheel of Fortune he said he was making a specific effort as town to appear more townie and cut out the shitting up the thread, but he seems to have gone back to that here to an extent. He isn't the best lynch right now, in my opinion. At least he somewhat helped resolve the Sentinel/risk.nuke/you situation by coming out and backing up your claim on a role I don't think it's very likely the mafia selected. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On May 19 2012 23:37 Mattchew wrote: I think any townie with a gun should shoot barundar according to my sheet Sandro is mafia and Barundar is the SK. Sooooo, idk my read yesterda was horrible :p I will make it something like this post from now on until I adjusted accordingly, no pushing from my point until I am back on track. I'll give you a couple of updates on my reads but won't explain a lot and I don't even think anyone will take them into consideration given how d1 worked out. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
I honestly still have no idea how noone in his team told him about that. That wasn't even a move like "herpederp I'ma going to vote myself"-so-stupid-mafia-would-not-do-it. It was a mafia-shot-mafia-at-night-stupid move. That's why I called him Town because I never could have imagined a mafia doing that mistake and rather thought it's a townie not having a clue what he's doing because I was really certain a mafia buddy would have explained him what he did if he was mafia. Random thought Massclaim is stupid and only helping mafia. Townies know what to do themselves and even if someone else who is a townie knew your role his advices are not going to help you because townie #1 makes decisions on the same information townie #2 has. Therefore massclaim would be free information for mafia with only very limited information for town. We could catch a mafia like that but they could just as well claim the truth or go for roles they know aren't around and claim VT (mason, Joat, stuff like that) and noone could really tell the difference between a townie and a mafia claim imo Next update from me tomorrow :p | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
[UoN]Sentinel: 9 Snarfs risk.nuke Qatol (from PaqMan) Misder Barundar Bluelightz slOosh (from PaqMan) sandroba marvellosity risk.nuke: 8 Zephirdd Mattchew [UoN]Sentinel zelblade Toadesstern (from [UoN]Sentinel) hiro protagonist Palmar PaqMan marvellosity: 1 talismania PaqMan: 0 sandroba: 0 Bluelightz: 0 | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
isn't there a vote missing? | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
dec shot day 1. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On May 20 2012 06:56 risk.nuke wrote: prob modkilled day 1. dec shot day 1. Sorry, yes I presume GMarshal must have counted talis' vote on Sentinel though, as 10 would have been needed for the lynch? | ||
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hiro protagonist
1294 Posts
talismania switched from marvellosity to sent. In fact, he was the hammer, as without him, there would not have been a majority. Im gonna have to reiterate what palmar said; I did not think scum do something like what sent did. He shot himself in the foot for no reason... well, whatever. I think we should lynch PacMan next, | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
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hiro protagonist
1294 Posts
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hiro protagonist
1294 Posts
On May 20 2012 07:19 risk.nuke wrote: hiro, nice of you to resurface. what do you think of Qatol and Toad? Toads a null for me. I know he can talk alot as both town and scum. I did not like how he posted what roles he was trying to go for when I told him not to take the mason role. Qatol is ether town or the SK. Im like 95% he is not mafia. | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On May 20 2012 07:13 hiro protagonist wrote: One small corection to that vote list: talismania switched from marvellosity to sent. In fact, he was the hammer, as without him, there would not have been a majority. Im gonna have to reiterate what palmar said; I did not think scum do something like what sent did. He shot himself in the foot for no reason... well, whatever. I think we should lynch PacMan next, Thank you. I did miss talismania's vote switch. Vote counts are so hard to do correctly.  On May 20 2012 07:26 risk.nuke wrote: I think marv should just claim. They are just going to help draw fire from blues. What is with you and claiming? Why can't the masoned player BE a blue? There is no requirement in the mason role that the player selected be a green and not a blue. It just says "Pro-town person." I agree with hiro protagonist that they should breadcrumb the masoned player though (there are lots of ways to do it, encryption is a good one). That way if marvellosity gets killed and flips town, we can determine the mod-confirmed innocent mason target. | ||
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