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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
I am drunk sorry On iPhone blue Is too hard go away | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
As an aside, this game is really fun right now :-) | ||
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Misder
United States1557 Posts
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
:-) | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
 )And Qatol: I'd forgotten about the Jailkeeper. I think jailing risk.nuke is a great idea to both prevent him from shooting and keep him safe. At talis: Again, I'm not thinking clearly here. Of course zelblade is now just a confirmed VT (assuming that the revealed role is JOAT) and is a lower priority. I blame the beers. | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
cheers! | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
Great well that clears that up and very parsimoniously too. | ||
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
And screw him for stealing my JOAT Fully agree that risk shouldnt shoot, though he most likely is going to shoot anyway from what I can see from his play so far. Jailing him would be an excellent idea. | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
deconduo [1,1] - Mafia CPR doc (DayVigged by Mattchew) risk.nuke [4,2] - Vigilante marvellosity [7,2] - Mason [UoN]Sentinel [9,1] - Mafia Jack of All Trades (Lynched Day One) Mattchew [11,x] - Day Vigilante zelblade [12,x] - Vanilla Townie (Picked JoAT) Bluelightz [13,x] talismania [15,1] Misder [2,2] PaqMan [2,2] slOosh [10,x] Toadesstern [10,10] - Vanilla Townie (Picked Mason) Barundar [3,1] Zephirdd [3,2] hiro protagonist [3,x] Palmar [5,1] - Pardoner Snarfs [5,1] Qatol [5,1] sandroba [5,1] - Vanilla Townie (Picked Mason) Probulous - Vanilla Townie (Modkilled) Bolded players voted for Risk.nuke, the italicized players voted for Sentinel. From looking at the numbers I'm starting to think that the scum team wasn't smart enough to deliberately clash with each other. It's also telling that the fate of sentinel wasn't sealed until way late in the day, so scum probably wasn't bussing him early. Or maybe they were? I don't want to assume that they're acting logically any more after what sentinel did haha. But looking at the list of italicized players, I think we can move Mattchew to the end of the possible scum list because he shot deconduo. For zelblade to be scum, he would have to making a "cut your losses" move which would actually be pretty brilliant of him in that position - but rather farfetched seeing as to how he would have had to set it up way far in advance... yeah he's at the end of the list of scum possibilities too. Toad I think got his mind tangled in knots yesterday and I don't really think he's scum. Maybe. Hiro Protagonist has been posting exactly like a young townie. His posts are notably unfiltered. Behaviorally then I think townie. Zephirdd, if scum, deserves an oscar for his on the spot reaction to mattchew's dayvig post. I don't really see a scum pulling that off, but maybe. (Would scum be rushing to make a post seeing matt's dayvig thing? Or sitting back going "oh shit"?) that leaves Paqman and Palmar Both deserve extreme consideration tomorrow. Paqman because he got himself kind of entangled in the sentinel mess trying to explain himself and his vote reasoning, and for just being generally scummy as qatol has shown. Palmar because he played yesterday like he flew too close to the sun with "I'm so ballsy I'm out in the open as scum" tactics. Also the guy took a role that's really only ever going to be useful to scum. And then he tried to say he would definitely use it on sentinel. Then he said he was actually going to use it on sentinel. Then he changed his mind. The only problem with him being scum is that ironically his best move in that case probably would have been to leave his pardon on sentinel (zelblade had not claimed yet when he announced he wasn't going to go through with it). Of course, there could be a scum (but I doubt two) in the bolded players. Probably someone who voted earlier rather than later for sentinel when it wasn't even clear there would be a lynch. But for now I think focusing on the italicized player is more productive. | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
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talismania
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
Today, I present you the Risk will kill Palmar tonight plan Details: -Palmar will die for reasons I will explain in my case which is further in the post. -risk.nuke will NOT be roleblocked, and if he is that mean's Palmar is scum. Why Palmar is scum? Firstly, Palmar has the absolute minimal participation in the pregame discussion, he has not contributed anything of substance and is trolling. + Show Spoiler + On May 15 2012 05:33 Palmar wrote: And what are you gonna do about it bitch? On May 15 2012 05:35 Palmar wrote: Bitch is a compliment in my own twisted way. On May 15 2012 05:37 Palmar wrote: Announcement, I intend to win this draft thing and draft a day vigilante and shoot the first person I don't like. On May 15 2012 18:31 Palmar wrote: how about we all pick vanilla town? On May 15 2012 20:12 Palmar wrote: Hi guys :D After not having read through the thread I don't agree with the plans proposed by Toad and Qatol so far. CPR is definitely a really powerful role and keeping it accountable should be a top pirority. Same goes for Janitor. Is there a reason why we arent carrying this out for roles such as roleblocker too? Unlike Toad I find it highly likely that a town RB will be of much use considering the probable high density of blues on the scum team, but a scum RB will be very useful despite no one being dumb enough to claim randomly. I also dont really see how GF is as powerful as sandroba says that he wants the first person to take it. Theres only 1 alignment cop (parity cop) which makes the check immunity power rarely come into play anyway, and the vengeful part doesnt seem that powerful as its simply a 1 for 1 (always good for town) and it applies only on a lynch - considering the amount of KP roles its highly likely a decent portion of scum are going to die to something other than the lynch anyway. Then, after that Palmar makes a totally uncalled for claim. One thing here, if Palmar's town, he usually shares his scum reads very quickly, but if he is scum, we usually make a mistake: Believing Palmar is town while he has not done anything worth of a town read (which is bad as this is mostly why I lost in Werewolves Invade TL 2). Now, I compare that with what he has done here: nothing, not helping, and overall just muddying the town discussion, and also is just throwing out random reasons on why he is town (which I don't think he is). + Show Spoiler + On May 17 2012 21:45 Palmar wrote: I'm the pardoner. On May 17 2012 22:01 Palmar wrote: also nice job mattchew. you're now confirmed town along with me and zephirdd. let's internet high five each other. On May 18 2012 07:29 Palmar wrote: I'm thinking we should murder Qatol. Need to read a bit more before I make up my mind. I will post a few more things tomorrow. Sandroba, how do you feel about that? Now, after this Palmar make's a huge post containing 'okay me picking pardoner and claiming it totally make me confirmed town', here is my points about it. On May 18 2012 19:25 Palmar wrote: I'm glad you asked! I am particularly proud of my pardoner draft idea, and even more glad that I got the role. You see, I figured I wouldn't get any particularly strong role with such a bad drafting position. Drafting something like a vigilante role, which is something I would like, was almost out of the question. So I decided to go with a role that confirms I'm town instead. Why does it confirm I'm town? Well let me explain. I drafted it and claimed it. The pardoner is a very hard role to use for both sides, very few people in this game possess the confidence and authority to successfully use this role as town, and as soon as mafia uses their claimed pardoner power, the pardoner gets lynched or shot the next night, because there is a valid case against the person being lynched, most likely. In fact, assuming I'm mafia it's strictly optimal play for me to just claim vanilla town. I can easily claim that I tried to draft day vigilante as I had already mentioned wanting that role, and I knew it had gone to someone above me in the draft. I had a perfect alibi, and it's dumb as shit to claim pardoner as mafia, because there is NOTHING stopping a scum Palmar from just acting like a vanilla townie throughout the game, quietly wasting town time by pardoning someone at some point through the game. Thus it's simply dumb to assume I'm scum at this point. I'm accountable for the pardon if and when it happens. Ideally I will not use the power at all in the game, but if I do I will announce it. Only reason I would be using it is if something on XLVIII scale of stupidity happens. Unless of course you think I'm pulling some kinda crazy gambit, which I admit would not be completely out of character for me, however Occam's razor says I'm town. Firstly, the italicized statements are reasonless stuff. Now, on to his points: Mafia, if not very bold, will not endanger their Pardoner so quickly by claiming, as well because here the Mafia can just PM for the person to be pardoned. He mentioned wanting, but does he mention picking it?. Lastly, the point that made me extremely suspicious of him was this: On May 19 2012 08:39 Palmar wrote: I'm going to send in a pardon for sentinel. So either we lynch risk.nuke or we lynch no one. On May 19 2012 10:45 Palmar wrote: I don't believe you risk. I think vigilante is too generic a claim for you. I think that fell through and your buddy got it somewhere lower. I don't think you're bad enough at this game to assume that hiding your role was soooo important that you'd directly attack town by refusing to work together. I want to kill you. To clarify. I understand that pardoning sent basically means wasting an entire cycle for town only to have the same argument again, so I'm actually not doing it. That doesn't change we should be killing risk, not sent, tonight. Good night. First quote: 'okay guys im saving my scum buddy out of spite k?' but then in the second quote, Palmar goes away saying 'okay, we should kill risk imo, he is lying, his claim is too generic, my scum buddy totally cannot die tonight alright?', this seems to me that here, Palmar is trying to avoid getting blamed, where eventually Sentinel will flip scum (if we didn't lynch him today) and that fingering Palmar as he pardoned him day 1 (which he didn't do since that post). TL;DR don't rb risk and let him destroy Palmar | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
Hey look at me! | ||
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
Agreed with talis analysis. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22631 Posts
Anyway, this probably means you need to kill me at some point. Obviously the fact that I didn't pardon sentinel should confirm that I'm not scum, despite having the resources to do it and already pretending to do it. In addition, I'd never allow one of my scum teammates to actually do something like this, it's just that dumb. However, I'm fine with whatever, just remember to look at the people that push for my death. | ||
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
I'm not clearing sandroba though, he suggested we solved the situation with role checks and no lynch, went on to suggest a marv scenario and in the end traitor scenario. Toad is interesting, he has been focusing a lot on how people aren't listening, I'm starting to fear he might be talking unclear because he has the wrong motivation. Gone to a null read for me. Both can wait though, I'm fairly certain I know where I'll vote tomorrow. | ||
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