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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
Palmar the only excuse I "might" had been able to buy from you would have been a "sorry I haven't cared about this game". Your neglect to have any input on any plans, lack of scumhunting continuous support for bad plans and dumb actions just isn't possible from town a perspective. As much as I would love to kill palmar I think it's too complicated for me to do it when we don't know where the roles are. I think a better plan would be to say. Jailer, Roleblocker and Angry Vigilante should all go for him and see if they can manage to take him out. With 2 scum in the upper draft dead and the current situation I'm thinking about if maybe it would be good to do an organized mass roleclaim. I'm thinking we start at the bottom of the draft with Sandroba and after he's posted what role he sent in it's Qatols turn. When he have posted it's clear for snarfs to go etc. The manner of the roleclaim I think should be What role you sent in. OBS: Not if you got it or not. Thoughts? | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
On May 19 2012 19:17 Barundar wrote: mass claim at night=bad. We got enough information for at least a lynch tomorrow imo. I don't understand why you won't shoot palmar but an angry vigi should? For the record, angry vigi can't shoot at first night. Angry vigs can shoot through a Jailer. If I try to shoot Palmar tonight and he doesn't die there are atleast 5 rolest that might have caused that. Jailer-RB-CC:CPR-Traitor-Witch. And obviously we're not doing the claim untill after the daypost. Now I just want to discuss it. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
But all's well that ends well. Will read over the thread properly later, glad we got a good result. | ||
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
I agree now is not the time of course, lets do it tomorrow if we want to. Also @risk Angry vig cant shoot n1. | ||
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On May 19 2012 13:29 Qatol wrote: Which part of your logic do you think you are wrong in? Is Janitor not part of those three picks or is Sentinel town? Who is lying among these players? If Sentinel is town, then two of marvellosity, risk.nuke, and zelblade are lying. Let me draw up the conversation Misder and I are having a little more comprehensively: 1. risk.nuke claims to have taken vigilante 2nd 2. marvellosity claims to have taken mason 3rd 3. [UoN]Sentinel claims to have taken janitor 4th but got vanilla 4. zelblade claims to have taken Jack of All Trades 6th but got vanilla 5. Toadesstern claims to have taken mason 12th but got vanilla Let's assume (like you just mentioned) that Sentinel is town. Let's also assume (as you mentioned earlier) that nobody picked Janitor. 1. [UoN]Sentinel CANNOT have tried to take the role and failed to get it (he claimed to have tried to grab Janitor). This means he is lying FOR SURE! Why don't you want to lynch him? I'm going to assume you want to reconsider the idea that Janitor isn't among those 3 picks (that way Sentinel is not a liar). Let's break that situation down a bit further: 1. Let's assume risk.nuke took Janitor and marvellosity took mason. Zelblade must be lying about not getting JOAT. (So risk.nuke and zelblade are liars.) 2. Let's assume risk.nuke took Vigilante and marvellosity took Janitor. This means that Zelblade must be lying about not getting JOAT and one of two situations happened: 2a. Toadesstern is not lying about mason being gone by the time he picked. This means that the mafia must have picked mason between picks 6 and 11 (remember, we have already established that in this scenario, zelblade must be lying). We also know that marvellosity and zelblade are liars. 2b. Toadesstern is lying about picking mason (marvellosity, zelblade, and toadesstern are liars). 3. Let's assume that risk.nuke took Vigilante and marvellosity took mason. Then Sentinel got Janitor when he selected it. He is still lying and we still want to lynch him. So which situation is the one you think is the most likely? By saying Sentinel is telling the truth, you are saying for sure that two or more of zelblade, risk.nuke, and marvellosity are lying, plus either toadesstern is lying or the mafia spent a mid-level pick on mason. Doesn't that seem like a lot of resources for the mafia to be committing this early? Meanwhile, if Sentinel is lying (mafia picking JOAT), nobody else needs to be lying. If Sentinel is lying, having picked traitor, then things get more complicated: We still have at least one liar out of risk.nuke, marvellosity, and zelblade. Once again, if marvellosity is a liar, Toadesstern is also lying or the mafia spent a mid-level pick on mason. Having said all of that, what is the most likely situation to you? Are you saying you think the mafia committed multiple members to this situation after already losing deconduo? Or is Sentinel a good lynch target? I argue that a lynch on Sentinel makes the most sense, if only to tell us whether we are looking at multiple liars or if we can move the discussion along and discuss other candidates. hinthint: As you said, there have to be 2 liars OR risk is the liar because if Risk is the liar it all works with only one liar as well. Occhams razzor says we should lynch risk. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
 Still don't understand why Sent wanted himself to be lynched, he had no reason to claim at all lol oO | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
Risk if you're going to shoot anyone, it should be palmar or paqman. I would not be opposed to seeing either of them flip as soon as possible. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
On May 19 2012 23:37 Mattchew wrote: I think any townie with a gun should shoot barundar Yeah that'd be great | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Is risk definitely telling the truth now? | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
Why can't town players act like town players and not scum? =_=' Like.... being a good boy. Seriously, denying Janitor at pick #2 far outweighs "denying" vigilante IMO. Selfish risk is selfish. Anyhow, it's also great that I was wrong. And I'm surprised: Sentinel was the one with the claim that made more sense from a town POV imo. Either way, good scum is dead scum. Also bluelightz, what are all these "look at me" posts? | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
On May 20 2012 00:26 Zephirdd wrote: 'sup, was away the whole friday as it was the 3rd month-versary of me and my GF. Had lotsa fun. Why can't town players act like town players and not scum? =_=' Like.... being a good boy. Seriously, denying Janitor at pick #2 far outweighs "denying" vigilante IMO. Selfish risk is selfish. Anyhow, it's also great that I was wrong. And I'm surprised: Sentinel was the one with the claim that made more sense from a town POV imo. Either way, good scum is dead scum. Also bluelightz, what are all these "look at me" posts? Look.at.my.posts. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On May 19 2012 23:06 talismania wrote: Not sure if mass claiming would make it easier for the sk or not. I can see it either way. Risk if you're going to shoot anyone, it should be palmar or paqman. I would not be opposed to seeing either of them flip as soon as possible. Explain why I'm scum and how my actions make sense from a scum perspective. I fell into the trap of assuming sentinel's play was simply too dumb to be scum, as I explained in the thread. That doesn't make me scum. I had the power to pardon him, I didn't. Yes, I was wrong, I was wrong because of my assumption that a scum team that was down one person would not make their next move to create a triangle of players with one of their own in it, it's simply terrible play. I did not expect it. I'm obviously reforming my opinion now, this is the first time in a loooooong time I've defended scum so blatantly as town. I need to re-read the entire thing. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
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