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On May 18 2012 08:02 sandroba wrote:
I actually think no lynching might be the best choice.
Are you insane? That's the complete opposite of my favorite way of playing this game.
Regarding Qatol:
So yeah, I mentioned I might like killing him, but I don't know if he's being intentionally disruptive or just a condescending jerk.
First off, the harsh insistence that Mattchew's shot does not confirm Mattchew in any way. Remember, there is a SK in the game, as you yourself pointed out, which means that mafia is afraid for their numbers, unless they went for some kinda circle-jerk all-protective roles, they're afraid that a random shot might kill them. Town also is bound to control a lot of KP, another reason why they'd be afraid of thinning their numbers early in the game.
Don't act like everyone is stupid enough to consider Mattchew completely ridden of all suspicions, but even something like a 3 for 1 trade is fine for town, so he has given us scum. The chances of him being mafia are so incredibly remote that it doesn't even warrant discussion. All you're doing by pressing the idea he might be scum is stopping the flow of the game for us.
I'd also like to point out that making himself the center of attention day 1 is a very strange way of playing SK. Of course nothing is confirmed, but there really isn't a reason to assume anything else at the moment.
Not to mention, if you're town, doubting him in public like that is simply bad play, because if big players get behind someone and say he's confirmed town, and he actually happens to be town, we're forcing the scum to take care of the problem for us. They don't know we secretly keep our guard up. People who look very towny tend to get shot
In addition, I don't like how Qatol has repeatedly brought up the issue of PaqMan lynch today. Again, I'm not sure if this is a disconnect to the game because he hasn't played in a while, or if it's of the malicious nature. It's pretty clear that town NEEDS this issue resolved. One of the three is lying, we want to find out which one (bear with me if the conclusion has been reached, I'm still 5 pages behind or so).
Trying to deflect that issue is incredibly dumb, because it is now a given this issue will be plaguing us until we resolve it. There is zero reason to try and move away from that discussion, just form your own opinion on it and run with it.
In conclusion, remember these points later in the game, I may be wrong/right/whatever but for today we solve risk/sent/marv.
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On May 18 2012 20:10 sandroba wrote:
Yo palmar bro, look at my explanation and see how you like it. I'm liking it more and more by the minute.
still reading up
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Can you elaborate on your earlier no-lynch idea sandroba?
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Can a janitor hide his own flip?
Another reason why we should focus exclusively on the three people is that those are the only flips that cannot be fucked with by a janitor that's out there. We _know_ that if someone out of those three gets janned, he was almost certainly town and we kill into the remaining two.
a 2 for 1 trade is GOOD for us, so even if we're terrible and things go as badly as possible, we're still ahead, and Mattchew's shot gives us even more leeway.
Risk's denial to claim is very bad, but having played with him before I know he's prone to dumb boneheaded opinions. He tends to put his own shit above the good of the team.
However @risk and @marvel. One of you is town (at least), and that person should claim the role they took. The reason is really simple, we're down to 3 scum (and 1 sk). there are 10+ town roles in the game. Each one doesn't need to net us a scum kill. Your role is NOT WORTH the confusion of not knowing what you picked.
Roles are actually very secondary to the intentions people have with them. I consider my pardoner role as a role completely pointless, but as I outlined above, I had a very clear intention with it.
So, now is the time you both need to claim. It's strictly bad play from town perspective to refuse to claim.
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On May 18 2012 20:30 Barundar wrote:
Palmar if you use pardoner you are fucking town over and I will do what ever in my power to get you lynched. This is a MAJORITY lynch game, it's hard enough to get a majority of town to vote for the same target to even get a lynch off, the last thing we need is some retarded reason why 1 guy decides we shouldn't do it anyways, and we have to wifom into if he is doing it on town or scum basis. And Liar game is what a week old and you are already pulling the "I'm responsible for who I decide not to get killed" argument that you just used as mafia again.
I'd like marv and sentinel to comment on Sandroba's scenario.
As long as people aren't being stupid as shit you don't have to worry about it.
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I'm reserving my judgement until they claim. I'd rather default to lynching risk.nuke though I think, as he's being a complete asshole about it.
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yo, marvolesity, roleclaim any time now please.
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On May 18 2012 21:25 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2012 20:32 Palmar wrote:
Roles are actually very secondary to the intentions people have with them. I consider my pardoner role as a role completely pointless, but as I outlined above, I had a very clear intention with it.
My role is not so great if it's revealed now compared to later.
Your role is not worth us mislynching today.
Whatever I'm talking to stubborn assholes.
@Everyone else: you should be voting either risk or marvelausity, because they haven't claimed their picks.
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On May 18 2012 21:40 risk.nuke wrote:
From my point of view either Sentinel is lying or Marv can only be the Janitor.
Yes but you aren't dumb enough to not understand why this doesn't apply to everyone.
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On May 18 2012 21:44 marvellosity wrote:
Also me claiming helps nothing if I'm not getting mislynched anyway
Sent might be getting mislynched and you claiming helps us with that.
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I genuinely hope neither of you are town, because I hate having playing with people who play against their win condition just to be assholes.
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On May 18 2012 21:48 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2012 21:46 Palmar wrote:On May 18 2012 21:44 marvellosity wrote:
Also me claiming helps nothing if I'm not getting mislynched anyway Sent might be getting mislynched and you claiming helps us with that. Explain to me how it helps and I will consider it.
Maybe I won't believe your roleclaim and I will want to lynch you instead.
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Fuck this shit, I'll probably pardon sentinel out of spite. enjoy being bad.
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If I pardon a player, does the guy with the second highest votes get lynched? Or no one?
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that's stupid, change the rule pls.
+ Show Spoiler +I'm kidding + Show Spoiler +actually I'm not, please make it happen, and give me 2 day vigi shots while I'm at it
Anyway, I'm just going to leave the thread and watch the derp unfold.
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I don't actually intend to pardon people.
From where I stand at the moment, Sentinel's claim makes absolutely no sense from mafia perspective.
If we try to solve the puzzle given Sentinel is mafia, he basically has forced a triangle of lynch between him, risk and marv. This makes almost no sense at all because the mafia is already weak after getting deconduo shot 5 minutes into the game.
The other two at the moment make much more sense.
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What we can be certain of is that there is a mafia in that group, because the stories don't add up.
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Even with a traitor in place, I just can't believe mafia would risk their team getting down to 2 members in day 1. Sentinel is very likely not the scum here, although I need to affirm my position through further reading.
When is the lynch?
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On May 19 2012 01:54 zelblade wrote:
If I am not wrong the lynch is in about 10 hours?
Also Palmar what do you think about the people who have tried to push a sentinel lynch on the basis that he is (supposedly) vanilla and thus is "worth less" than a potential power role?
Assuming I reach the conclusion Sentinel is indeed not scum, which seems the most likely, it simply says they're either mafia or dumb town, probably more likely dumb town, for the most part.
Roles are not important at all, all you need is your vote and your brain. But some people (look at marv and risk for prime examples) think that roles are very important for town to succeed. Aside from KP roles I don't actually like many roles in this list.
One of those two is probably mafia with the janitor role, the hesitation in claiming a role is because it's risky as there may be someone with the role below them, it's VERY hard to claim a role for those two guys without telling the truth. The problem is that the other probably stubborn town, and is playing to win for the mafia, unless of course one of them is the traitor and another is scum, or something ridiculous like that.
The simple explanation to me is that Sentinel is telling the truth, scum doesn't initiate this kind of shit. One of the other two is the janitor, and the third guys is a stubborn bad townie.
We'll see if things are as straightforward as they seem.
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On May 19 2012 01:58 Snarfs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2012 01:54 zelblade wrote:
If I am not wrong the lynch is in about 10 hours?
Also Palmar what do you think about the people who have tried to push a sentinel lynch on the basis that he is (supposedly) vanilla and thus is "worth less" than a potential power role? Is anyone actually doing this?
Barundar and Misder seem to be implying something in that direction, although not as blatantly as zelblade suggested.
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