EPTLettuce not forget tho: This pariah of pain didn't mention this to the general public but PM'd it to 5 players he has a "Town Read" on a mere 11 pages into the game.
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Lettuce not forget tho: This pariah of pain didn't mention this to the general public but PM'd it to 5 players he has a "Town Read" on a mere 11 pages into the game. MINORITY REPORT! | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
In addition you should know just as well as anyone else that pushing out a list of reads this early for no particularly good reason is pretty poor play. I will, however, say that I agree with killing one person you've listed. I still want to see more posts from that one so I'm not going to name them yet. Also sandro never replied to my PMs, how do I expect to get an answer from him then? It's like PYP:I all over again. | ||
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Motbob is great
Wales28 Posts
On May 01 2012 05:53 Palmar wrote: No, mafia cannot manipulate shit if people actually agree with doing it. Let's say that all 12 townies in the game decide "I'm going to follow Palmar's plan" irrelevant of my alignment, mafia cannot do jack shit without revealing themselves. I'm perfectly fine with passing the crown on tomorrow. The problem is there are going to be some dumb as fuck townies who think they're being clevur by breaking the plan, so it will be impossible to tell those lone-ranger-assholes apart from mafia by just this. I don't get what's so hard to understand Please just get off your high horse for one second and listen. So what happens, a mafia says fuck this and jumps ship today. We have his name, we know he's scum. Now what? You can't create your own majority Palmar. There are too many loose ends, you can't guarantee that someone ends up in the majority. By simply ordering people around you've made it possible for mafia to manipulate your little system EVERY DAY. You'll have to rely on a vigi, and any plan that relies on blues is dumb. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On May 01 2012 05:53 Motbob is great wrote: We're basically shooting shit right now because of you Palmar. First off, by just announcing to the thread which people you're pardoning, you're basically begging to have people jump ship and climb on the minority if they weren't on your magic list. Secondly... actually I really don't have much to say, your plan is just blatantly bad. Please read my posts and don't go with Palmar's plan. Flip a coin if you have to but don't do what Palmar is saying. It's like they haven't read the OP and don't realize that banding together is a worst-case strategy. Trying to form a block of Townies to pick out the remaining Scum is just dumb in this setup. Independence though? Awesome. What you are looking for in this game is a block of people that share votes and appear on the same wagon (Round A's question) more than once. With 3 Scum per team they can never ALL vote the same way for fear of ending up in the majority and having their votes tracked since they need to save each other. Hence a decent team will come to the conclusion of always voting 2 in favor of Yes/No and the lone vote out taking the opposite side. Then it's just a matter of figuring out if the Scum team have 2 players or 1 player in the Majority pool for Round B by seeing where they apply their "saving" votes. This game is simple. You people just aren't smart enough to grasp it. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Just skimmed through the thread, and Palmar's plan seems to catch the gist of the plan I mentioned before. Have scummy people in the majority, and most townie ones in the minority. This seems to fulfill that, and it requires cooperation from people, so it's fine for now and we can focus on scumhunting. I don't really like that the power is on Palmar alone, that introduces quite variance. I doubt he's scum, since I've read games where he was scum and he just spams and trolls on D1. However, even if he's town, he could be easily manipulated by scum, either making him give scum information, or having Palmar make bad calls and reads because of them. That's why I don't like "1-man" plans. I don't know who said it before, but having a small "counsil" of players determining who is in the minority and who isn't is even better, since there will be more players to bounce reads on, and it will be hard for scum to manipulate them, even if one of them is scum. However, I have a better alternative (although I don't think it can be implemented this Round A): Have people Vote in the thread who they want to be in the minority Seems easy enough, people put "##Pardon: Player X" in the thread. We set a deadline (maybe 4-6 hours before Round A ends), and then all votes are taken into account. The players that received more Pardons will be put into the minority (following the same system from Palmar) This takes away the power from Palmar/syllo themselves to determine who is in the minority (which is what many people had problems with), but the core of the system (having townies in the minority, having scummy people in majority) remains the same. Anyways, I'm gonna eat something and read the thread again. | ||
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Motbob is great
Wales28 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On May 01 2012 05:53 Palmar wrote: No, mafia cannot manipulate shit if people actually agree with doing it. Let's say that all 12 townies in the game decide "I'm going to follow Palmar's plan" irrelevant of my alignment, mafia cannot do jack shit without revealing themselves. I'm perfectly fine with passing the crown on tomorrow. The problem is there are going to be some dumb as fuck townies who think they're being clevur by breaking the plan, so it will be impossible to tell those lone-ranger-assholes apart from mafia by just this. I don't get what's so hard to understand which is exactly why your plan, Palmar (now pardon my French) is a pile of absolutely worthless shit. It takes roughly four people to disagree with your plan for it to work. Seeing as there are 6 scum, perhaps you being one ofthem, and at least one townie (me) that means that your plan can be upset by the simplest dissent. Any plan that utterly fails because of a hint of dissent is a bad plan in a game of mafia, since there will ALWAYS be dissent. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On May 01 2012 05:57 Motbob is great wrote: Please just get off your high horse for one second and listen. So what happens, a mafia says fuck this and jumps ship today. We have his name, we know he's scum. Now what? You can't create your own majority Palmar. There are too many loose ends, you can't guarantee that someone ends up in the majority. By simply ordering people around you've made it possible for mafia to manipulate your little system EVERY DAY. You'll have to rely on a vigi, and any plan that relies on blues is dumb. This guy right here is making a fuckton of sense. To summarize what he said (and adding my own twist on it) since I know most of you don't read: By attempting to create a majority you are fucking yourselves over. You give the mafia an easy option of just ending up in the minority without even needing to manipulate you with effort. Hence the only people Palmar will end up controlling the lynch for is: his own wagon of friends. ![[image loading]](http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/images/smilies/roll.gif) | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On May 01 2012 06:06 chaoser wrote: lol...palmar's reads are basically, anyone who agrees whole heartly with that I'm saying is town. People who oppose it are mafia. chill dawg, remember him and Scumfield said that Palmar has an obscenely good Town radar. Game probably over by page 13 if we're lucky. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On May 01 2012 06:02 gonzaw wrote: Okay I'm back. Just skimmed through the thread, and Palmar's plan seems to catch the gist of the plan I mentioned before. Have scummy people in the majority, and most townie ones in the minority. This seems to fulfill that, and it requires cooperation from people, so it's fine for now and we can focus on scumhunting. I don't really like that the power is on Palmar alone, that introduces quite variance. I doubt he's scum, since I've read games where he was scum and he just spams and trolls on D1. However, even if he's town, he could be easily manipulated by scum, either making him give scum information, or having Palmar make bad calls and reads because of them. That's why I don't like "1-man" plans. I don't know who said it before, but having a small "counsil" of players determining who is in the minority and who isn't is even better, since there will be more players to bounce reads on, and it will be hard for scum to manipulate them, even if one of them is scum. However, I have a better alternative (although I don't think it can be implemented this Round A): Have people Vote in the thread who they want to be in the minority Seems easy enough, people put "##Pardon: Player X" in the thread. We set a deadline (maybe 4-6 hours before Round A ends), and then all votes are taken into account. The players that received more Pardons will be put into the minority (following the same system from Palmar) This takes away the power from Palmar/syllo themselves to determine who is in the minority (which is what many people had problems with), but the core of the system (having townies in the minority, having scummy people in majority) remains the same. Anyways, I'm gonna eat something and read the thread again. Man if you're town please don't play like you did in LI, because that'll mean I'll be subconsciously ignoring all your posts. I can't believe you seriously think that we should vote for a pardon; it's such a colossal waste of time and it's incredibly easy to manipulate for scum. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On May 01 2012 05:57 syllogism wrote: Sometimes all it takes is one post to get a solid town read on someone, you should read some guides Ace can't tell if being sarcastic or... | ||
Liquid`Sheth
United States2095 Posts
Sarcastic. Also i'm still on board with the Palmar train. YES to victory!  | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On May 01 2012 06:09 wherebugsgo wrote: Man if you're town please don't play like you did in LI, because that'll mean I'll be subconsciously ignoring all your posts. I can't believe you seriously think that we should vote for a pardon; it's such a colossal waste of time and it's incredibly easy to manipulate for scum. You can do it the other way round: Have each player vote for 3-5 players that they think should be in the majority. Once the virtual deadline hits, all votes are counted, and those that received LESS votes are put in the minority. That way scum won't actively be able to determine who gets in it or not. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
I can't even see what you quoted. Looks like invisible writing. *shrug* | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
That's the kind of reply his "oh how can someone possibly have a town read mere 12 pages into the game!" (he says that every game too) comment deserves. Anyway, sandroba seems too disinterested both in-thread and over PMs to be town. Sandroba are you going to post your sheth suspicions in the thread as well or not going to bother? | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On May 01 2012 06:12 gonzaw wrote: You can do it the other way round: Have each player vote for 3-5 players that they think should be in the majority. Once the virtual deadline hits, all votes are counted, and those that received LESS votes are put in the minority. That way scum won't actively be able to determine who gets in it or not. Lettuce ask a very zimple question hear: How do you put people in the minority? | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
On April 30 2012 20:55 syllogism wrote: Can you clarify what you mean by this? You don't promise to answer questions in private or what kind of promises are you exactly talking about here? I mean exactly what I said. I promise nothing to no-one as of that moment. Try and gain my trust if you want such to happen. I've caught up on the thread. I will not be agreeing with this whole "Palmar for King"-thingy. I am already suspicious of a few people. | ||
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