EPThow is my stance apathetic?? I said to keep it simple and then work it out from there. Palmar is saying we should have this plan which hinges on him being the one in power. I'm saying that if he's mafia, the situation would be extremely bad, that should be a given in any game; that giving mafia a lot of power is bad. Let's say we ARE following palmar's plan, and lets say he thinks what, like 3 people should get immunity for round A today, what does that really change? two more people going to be a part of Round B. We still need to do that exact thing in round 2 then as we would do if we kept it simple. Keeping it simple is like if it was just palmar picking only one person to be immune day 1.
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
how is my stance apathetic?? I said to keep it simple and then work it out from there. Palmar is saying we should have this plan which hinges on him being the one in power. I'm saying that if he's mafia, the situation would be extremely bad, that should be a given in any game; that giving mafia a lot of power is bad. Let's say we ARE following palmar's plan, and lets say he thinks what, like 3 people should get immunity for round A today, what does that really change? two more people going to be a part of Round B. We still need to do that exact thing in round 2 then as we would do if we kept it simple. Keeping it simple is like if it was just palmar picking only one person to be immune day 1. | ||
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syllogism
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On May 01 2012 03:26 sandroba wrote: @foolishness There will never be a consensus on whom to kill especially if said person is mafia. It's reasonable to assume even a few townies will have a wrong read on and will end up defending scum. Also afaik only the vote tally will be available, not who voted whom. How exactly is that going to work in practice? Only way I can think of is that we get compliance from everyone beforehand, that they will agree to follow the voting scheme if they get out-voted (we do the traditional voting to see who will be lynched). Then we propose a unique voting scheme so we can identify who didn't follow it (each player votes for a unique combination of players). If there is never a consensus we might as well just give up now. Forgot who said it but someone yesterday said something to the effect of, "we should assume since this is liar game if we all work together and trust each other then we will win easily". Nothing will get accomplished if we're not semi-organized with who we want dead. It's really easy to construct a way to distribute votes once we know who we want dead. And we shoot anyone who doesn't follow. You can argue against the lynch candidate but if the rest of the town agrees to kill the person in question you have to suck it up and go with it. That's the only way we can win. | ||
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chaoser
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
The game doesn't support any one person being in control. The round A votes are hidden, the round B votes can be distributed however a player wishes. That's it. Plan finished. Good bye. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On May 01 2012 03:46 syllogism wrote: This is why we need a plan for round A; to make sure players we are suspicious of vote with the majority. As I noted earlier, chaoser is who I would be voting to lynch right now and he should definitely not get immunity today. I don't care if he's in the majority or not. If he is then we pressure him and decide if we want to kill him. If he's not we turn our attention elsewhere. We need a few days and a bit of planning before we are able to do anything with the minority voting. Just let it be random for now and go after your suspects. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On May 01 2012 03:48 syllogism wrote: Chaoser do you think Palmar is mafia or not? yes I do. and you by association | ||
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chaoser
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VisceraEyes
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Mr. Wiggles
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VisceraEyes
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On May 01 2012 03:58 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Just for the plan, or do you have other reasons? Explain. Plans should not be very relevant for the time being. Find a person who you think is mafia and make a case. This discussion will win us the game, not debating what plans we should enact to try to win. If the majority of the town agrees on a person to be killed we should kill that person. As I said it's really easy to get someone killed with the voting system. It's really hard to ensure that all the "townies" survive. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On May 01 2012 04:00 Foolishness wrote: Plans should not be very relevant for the time being. Find a person who you think is mafia and make a case. This discussion will win us the game, not debating what plans we should enact to try to win. If the majority of the town agrees on a person to be killed we should kill that person. As I said it's really easy to get someone killed with the voting system. It's really hard to ensure that all the "townies" survive. No, I'm trying to get something concrete out of Chaoser instead of just "I think Palmar needs to be lynched". That post was directed towards Chaoser. Chaoser, explain why you want to lynch Palmar, and why you think he's scum. You're not going to convince anyone by just saying you want to lynch him. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On May 01 2012 03:56 chaoser wrote: If i had to lynch someone today, it'd be palmar Ah yes, the good old "lets attract as much attention as possible and establish an obvious link between each other" strategy in a two scum team game. Do you genuinely believe this? | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On May 01 2012 04:04 syllogism wrote: Ah yes, the good old "lets attract as much attention as possible and establish an obvious link between each other" strategy in a two scum team game. Do you genuinely believe this? Not helping. Let the man answer. Give us your own reads thus far, chaoser already has some explaining to do and I trust that he will. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On May 01 2012 04:04 syllogism wrote: Ah yes, the good old "lets attract as much attention as possible and establish an obvious link between each other" strategy in a two scum team game. Do you genuinely believe this? Before the game started, I was thinking that if I was mafia I would come out of the gate very strong, use the WIFOM of "he's so out there, there's no way he's mafia" card and then make it to day 3 or 4 by way of offering an audacious plan. There's no way such a person wouldn't attract a medic or something, as can be seen in A LOT of TL games (specifically in space station with sandro's strong coming out). Even if I didn't attract a medic, the other mafia family probably won't shoot me because they'd fear a medic protect anyway. It was more of a solo plan that I was thinking about but having another person along would make it even more "out there". Mafia win the game by outnumbering townie, not by having as many people stay alive till the end. If mafia can waste enough time to get to LYLO, it doesn't matter what the town does since it's very rare for town to play perfectly once LYLO is reached, especially if mafia has been defending townies as well as teammates. So much WIFOM at LYLO means mafia will probably win. That's how I always play as mafia; go look at that game where Ver was badass professor. Had mafia pushed that last lynch on a townie instead of on me, town would have been at LYLO and would have been fucked. Barundar and GM had believed and supported me the whole way, they were definitely going to be mislynched sooner or later. Even if most of my team was lynched after reaching LYLO, mafia would have probably won. That's why as soon as palmar busted out with his plan, I was very very suspicious because it was going down exactly how I thought a mafia would play it. Having one person in power in this game is actually really bad | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
This is exactly what would happen if any single one person was given full power in this game. Sandro's "switching" power holder is even worse...that's so goddamn complicated it'd make anything happening so screwy.. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
That post is a pretty bizarre way to push the idea that someone is mafia, it seems quite defensive even | ||
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