EPTSurprisingly Normal Mini Mafia XI - Page 27
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Pure-SC2
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
On May 04 2012 01:04 Pure-SC2 wrote: EBWOP: Golden mentions Lazer only once, early on with 2 others saying they needed to post more. Never responds to Lazers pressure on him related to the vote on Veriat. We only need to nail 1 at a time ^^ | ||
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Pure-SC2
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O.Golden_ne
Australia204 Posts
gg. peace. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
On May 04 2012 01:17 Pure-SC2 wrote: Yea, but I like pretty pictures in my head where everything lines up and looks... pretty. I counter your pretty pictures with Newbie VIII where town raped themselves by connecting people who hadn't even flipped yet. Imo it's newbie town's #1 error in general. | ||
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WhySoMuch
132 Posts
I have you as my highest scumreads atm. What limits do you want? I'm 63% sure that you are scum atm? *Snip* Because I'm scum or because I don't remember things. you choose!4 *snip* Because while his play was confusing in the start, I strongly felt his motives didn't match the ones of scum. And if he were townie, which I still think although I'm not as certain as I was one day ago, I think he should step up his posting alot. @Lazermoneky, You said that later on in your post but how come your conclusion on me was "I'm not sure on this guy at all". Why were you afraid to call me a mafia in your conclusion? 2) I'm leaning toward the former heavily. If you didn't remember why would you add a clause about not being around to change your vote, you were purposely trying to deceive us in some way there. 3) I don't buy this, but whatever. ##Vote: LazerMonkey | ||
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marvellosity
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WhySoMuch
132 Posts
I agree with everything you've said in your post, but I think Lazer is more likely to be a mafia at this point. Town don't lie about things that Lazer has clearly lied about. Mixed with all of his other posts, his play doesn't make sense as a Town. However,We need 5 of 6 town votes to lynch a mafia today so I will switch to Golden if he appears to be more likely lynch then lazer. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
On May 04 2012 02:15 WhySoMuch wrote: Lol, yes of course, I think Golden has been a mafia since day 2 but figured it was fruitless to push the point. I agree with everything you've said in your post, but I think Lazer is more likely to be a mafia at this point. Town don't lie about things that Lazer has clearly lied about. Mixed with all of his other posts, his play doesn't make sense as a Town. However,We need 5 of 6 town votes to lynch a mafia today so I will switch to Golden if he appears to be more likely lynch then lazer. What did he lie about? The fact he may or may not have gone to bed? Or something else I missed. If you agree with my case, I would think it's rather more compelling than the one on Lazer. I am happy to discuss lynch candidates, but if we're going to lynch Lazer I want a consolidated case from you of why we should do so rather than golden, with evidence and stuffs. | ||
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nreekay324
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@whysomuch- First, I was just wondering what faking angel is? Is that like, faking that we were medic-protected over the night? In regards to my post it was really just an analysis of parts of your filter; sure it was in a scummy light, but as I kept looking through it that’s how I felt your posts were. I wanted other people to comment and look at it, and see if it had any merit or if I had some tunnel-vision. That’s why I didn’t conclude anything at the time. Can anyone give me some feedback on my analysis of whysomuch? Lazer’s contradiction is pretty bad. But I find Lazer’s follow up post after whysomuch points out this contradiction pretty interesting. There’s no defense in it, and it seems almost, emotional. Why just give up? It’s almost like when jailbreaker popped in to “defend” himself when he was going to be lynched. @marvellosity- your case against Golden is pretty solid. (note; I think i’m going to format my analysis posts more like yours). I personally had this lingering town-read towards him, because his posts were really clear and well-written, especially when it was kinda chaotic in the beginning + he vote changed to veriat as the last vote. Although, he clearly would have used this to his advantage. I think it’s the best case we have right now, too. I’ll try do some analysis after I wake up, and probably vote for someone then. Hopefully we'll have a confirmed verdict from Artanis/Nova about what's going on with Golden, and I can re-evaluate WSM then. Right now I'm leaning towards voting for Golden. | ||
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WhySoMuch
132 Posts
The 2nd point, yes it is a good case, but I'm now very confident Lazer is flipping mafia I have already given my case. SideNote: What game were you referring to when you said "Lazer was playing exactly like a game I read before", So I can read that. | ||
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WhySoMuch
132 Posts
On May 04 2012 02:39 nreekay324 wrote: Read through the thread since last night, and it’s nice to see we're all alive. This evens out the modkill of Splinter (numerically). @whysomuch- First, I was just wondering what faking angel is? Is that like, faking that we were medic-protected over the night? What I meant is to pretend that you are the angel that protected someone from getting killed, If you are the angel, you are now sure that whoever you protected is a town, therefore leave some sort of subtle clue on who you "protected". | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
I had a look at your filter and I see a mish-mash of general accusations without anything substantial, but I may have missed it somehow. | ||
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nreekay324
46 Posts
@marvellosity- Lazer contradicted himself, originally he stated he wasn't at his computer (checked it on his phone) at the D1 deadline, then in a more recent post he said he was at home, but already went to sleep, at the D1 deadline. | ||
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WhySoMuch
132 Posts
On May 04 2012 02:45 marvellosity wrote: WSM: please give me a link to your case. I had a look at your filter and I see a mish-mash of general accusations without anything substantial, but I may have missed it somehow. It's the two posts you call "general accusations". I don't need to write out a long post in order for it to be a case. Why do you think Lazer is a town? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
On May 04 2012 02:48 WhySoMuch wrote: It's the two posts you call "general accusations". I don't need to write out a long post in order for it to be a case. Why do you think Lazer is a town? Ok, let me get this straight. You are convinced Lazer is mafia because he went to bed (read: he did not say asleep) and caught up on the thread on his phone and because he criticised Zen's play but doesn't have a mafia read on him (which he explained subsequently). Yet you think Golden is mafia, you agree with everything I said in my case, yet Lazer is still the best target? I don't get it. I don't believe Lazer is town necessarily, I just don't think the burden of evidence on him is higher than that of Golden. Why do you think Lazer is more likely given you have thought of Golden as scum + you agree with my case? | ||
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nreekay324
46 Posts
On May 04 2012 02:43 WhySoMuch wrote: What I meant is to pretend that you are the angel that protected someone from getting killed, If you are the angel, you are now sure that whoever you protected is a town, therefore leave some sort of subtle clue on who you "protected". Okay, angel=medic, I get what you were saying now. But, isn't that kinda detrimental to the town if the angel/medic does that? I mean the best we gain is a confirmed townie through the clues. But if the mafia reads up on these clues, then they have an easy target (the medic). Also, if we, as a town, try to help cover it up by throwing out decoy clues, then doesn't that just muddy up everything and give the mafia a chance to throw out decoy clues that could be really misleading to us? Anyway, this could be arbitrary as there could be a veteran that took the hit. | ||
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Mordanis
United States893 Posts
If golden is definitely out, I see no reason to lynch him. If he isn't out, then I'll have to read Marv's case closer and read through his filter myself. | ||
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WhySoMuch
132 Posts
On May 04 2012 02:55 marvellosity wrote: Ok, let me get this straight. You are convinced Lazer is mafia because he went to bed (read: he did not say asleep) and caught up on the thread on his phone and because he criticised Zen's play but doesn't have a mafia read on him (which he explained subsequently). Yet you think Golden is mafia, you agree with everything I said in my case, yet Lazer is still the best target? I don't get it. I don't believe Lazer is town necessarily, I just don't think the burden of evidence on him is higher than that of Golden. Why do you think Lazer is more likely given you have thought of Golden as scum + you agree with my case? He said he went to bed and couldn't change his vote. Therefore I assumed he meant went to sleep. I'm sorry if this is wrong to assume. Because you're assuming Quantity of Evidence is better than Quality of Evidence. Yes, there are lot of suspicious things Golden has done, I have pointed them out myself, but people said I used stupid logic to get there. So I see where you're coming from. I think he's mafia. But, this one slip-up from Lazer is huge. Like a Town never does this. He purposely lied in order to escape suspicion. That is Mafia slip 99% of the time. So yes, I think Lazer is more likely to be mafia than Golden. I don't need a fancy case to say so. When have you ever seen a town lie about where he was when a mafia got lynched in order to escape suspicion? It doesn't happen. It doesn't even happen when a town gets lynch. Town don't lie about this stuff. | ||
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Mordanis
United States893 Posts
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