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Lazermonkey
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nreekay324
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Whysomuch's filter 1)There’s a lot of posts to go through. + Show Spoiler + As I was going through the first fourth or so of the filter, I mainly saw “we must lynch D1”, “i’m new to TL and its format”, “townies do this and mafia do this” and “villages’ wolves vs towns’ mafia”. All very confusing stuff, but also distracting stuff. 1A)One thing of substance is when he votes for zen_man. + Show Spoiler + On April 27 2012 10:40 WhySoMuch wrote: Someone already pointed this out and I've already stated my position but I'd like to take it a step further, I find this post very wolfy, more so than Varient or however you spell his name who said the same thing essentially, because you aren't thinking deeper. You say in the other game they mislynched on the first day because they didn't have enough information, but how do we expect to gain information if we "No Lynch"? Day 2 will essentially be a repeat of day 1. Also, Voting early and often leads to profit, ##VOTE: The_Zen_Man hope i did that right That was zen_man’s first post. whysomuch made a quick jab at him. This is similar to how yomi voted whysomuch in the beginning; for no real reason other than to progress discussion and get a read. But, it’s a disguised way for whysomuch to take a stance, with an “out”, because yomi already did this and he (with others) are confident that yomi’s play is town. (e.g. making his play town). + Show Spoiler + On April 27 2012 16:42 WhySoMuch wrote: His vote on me can't be do to lurking or it makes no sense. Why would he not vote the guy who hasn't posted yet if that was his reasoning? I didn't really address the vote on me because I thought it was a joke vote, his reasoning that went along with it are because werewolves are gay, which isn't really much to respond to. That said I'm willing to say Yomi is a villager albeit misguided because a wolf wouldn't vote me in that spot. The other guys vote on me, Nreekay, is super sketch though. 2) A pivotal point is when Veriat (mafia) picks up 2 votes(yomi and mordanis), he follows up with this; + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + On April 28 2012 18:03 Veriat wrote: Ok i know i have the lowest post count, but be mindfull that this is my first forum mafia game. And the reasoning behind my "only agreeing and disagreeing" posts, is because many of my thoughts have already been posted, so posting it again would just be repition, which most of the posts in the earlier pages pretty much were. And each time i go to check on the game, it has expand with a few pages, so there's been a lot of information to go through. So (watch out another agreement!) i would agree that i indeed do look very scummy atm. But this was just an explanation on my behavior, i'll have my analysis posted soonish. On April 28 2012 18:26 Veriat wrote: Ok here are my thoughts on who are the scum: The_Zen_Man nreekay324 Jailbreaker The_Zen_Man You're stance on the "lynch no lynch" discussion has left me a little puzzled, and your overall playstyle seem fishy to me, so you're getting my vote. nreekay324 All your posts just seem off and scummy. Many of them seem rushed or flawed, and you basically just jumped the bandwagon with your early vote on Why_So_Much. On a side note i did find Why_So_Much's playstyle kind of off, but i don't think he's scum, because then why would you vote for him? Jailbreaker You've my number 3 due to consistent flaws in your previous posts. + Show Spoiler + not concrete, but interestingly veriat followed up with this; On April 28 2012 18:27 Veriat wrote: ##vote: The_Zen_Man The same guy whysomuch was pressing. I bring this up because, if whysomuch is mafia than he would have been in discussion with veriat. Meaning that voting for veriat was (probably) a unified decision to bus veriat. 2A) Before Veriat posted, whysomuch was here; + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + On April 28 2012 09:35 WhySoMuch wrote: Town: Splinter LazerMonkey Mordanis Mafia: The_Zen_Man Nreekay On April 28 2012 11:03 WhySoMuch wrote: ##vote: The_Zen_Man After veriat picked up his votes, panicked with 2 crappy posts, and had thezenman drop this hammer on him; + Show Spoiler + On April 28 2012 19:54 The_Zen_Man wrote: My case against Veriat. Veriat posted this about 5 minutes after my post, and it was also very similliar to mine. This seemed like he was bandwagoning on this idea, maybe choosing the idea which seemed at time like many people supported? Not long after that, when O.Golden_ne voiced his opinions on the matter, he changed his opinion rather quick, maybe not wanting to take a real stand in the matter, as this would put him in the spotlight. His desire to be neutral is developed, as he change his opinion again. First he was for lynching lurkers, but now he only wants to lynch those who seem suspicious. In this post he states his reason for his "agreeing and disagreeing" posts, with the explanation that all of the ideas had already been posted. Surely, he must have something to add, he could atleast voice his opinions on some other players. This post, and his vote is still puzzling to me. "Your overall playstyle seem fishy to me" is not a good explanation, and if you want to take a opinion you should give a good reason. Your vote on me was almost as puzzling as whysomuch, who haven't answered to why he voted for me. If you want to prove that you are townie you should vote with a good argument. Also your other "candidates" do not have any better explanations. @WhySoMuch: I said this before, but i will say it again, please explain your vote. after, whysomuch’s next post is this; + Show Spoiler + On April 29 2012 03:56 WhySoMuch wrote: It's the same game, Y'all call it Mafia, We call it Werewolf. It's the same principal and I'm really confused why people are so caught up on it. This is newb game for people that have played 3 or less games ON THIS SITE. That is why I signed up for it, to get a feel for THIS SITE. So many things are different, such as requiring a Majority to lynch someone, that I think it was best to play a game like this before trying out the non-newb games. I have played over 100 games on the other forum using wolve/villager lingo, so to answer your question about 100 games to get it ingrained. I am making an effort, every time you see the word Mafia or Town most likely I had to go back and erase wolf/villager. However sometimes I forget. I didn't ask how to quote posts, I asked how to quote multiple posts, because on the other site, I can click a button and it will multi-quote for me. THis forum did not have it, and I was wondering what people usually do instead. As for the "All" button I probably should have figured that out, but again, on the other forum there is an option to change posts per page from 25 to 100. I have explained my vote a gazillion times already. Just because I vote you again doesn't mean I have to have different reasons than before. I am confused though, because Veriant looks extremely bad right now. Like all his reads are justs sponges and he has no original thought, so I'm pretty sure he's a wolf. Which means you likely aren't a wolf. ##vote: Veriat Firstly we have more (distraction) clarification/responses to the nomenclature and how to post on TL! Then, the point of the post (bolded). 2 things, 1)”you’re mafia zen_man i’m done explaining!” (look back yourselves, it’s a relatively weak case against zen_man) and 2)a self-contradiction (italicized). I can’t really make sense of the next part without getting into WIFOM, but whysomuch vote changes to Aces(now our marvellosity) and then back to Veriat.* Veriat’s pretty safe still with only (like 3-4?) votes. Then whysomuch makes this fishy post shortly thereafter; + Show Spoiler + On April 29 2012 04:35 WhySoMuch wrote: Alright, this is the succession of posts that make Veriat look really dba We need rto hear your thoughts. It is important that we know where you stand on people talked about in the thread, even if someone has already said it. I highly doubt you are having the same exact thoughts on the same people for the same reasons, and you can always add to the discussion by stating your thoughts. The 2nd underlined, idk, I dont like the fact that you added the stuff in the perenthesis, just seems unecessary but meh, this post isn't wolfy, but putting this with the following post makes it look really bad. Your reasoning on The_Zen man is his stance on the "lynch no lynch" was the same exact stance you had. So idk why that would make you think he's a mafia. You see I could think that, cause we have opposing views on the matter, but you two were both on the side of "no lynch" so that doesn't make sense. Your reasoning on nreekay, you called my playstyle off therefore why is it unreasonable for someone to vote me? How can I have an off play style and not be considered a mafia? That part is contradicting. Your 3rd mafia read, Jailbreaker, I'm just calling shenanigans on this, why don't you point out the flaws? Overall, there were no original thoughts in his reads and they were all sponges, which make sense because that's what he said in his earlier post. But what DOESN'T make sense, is that his sponges don't match his posts. His reasoning doesn't match up with what he says earlier, meaning that he is sponging just to sponge and not thinking about it. + Show Spoiler + This is suspicious to me, because 1)whysomuch posts this as an after-he-voted post and 2)he’s so unpushy of veriat. If veriat was a real mafia read, why so weak? the push against zen_man was much harder, with less reason to be suspicious then too. It’s like setting Veriat up for a redemption post, or trying to put his post in a more-newb less-scummy light. However, there’s nothing Veriat says further from about the time he voted for zen_man all the way up to his lynch. Perhaps veriat was too busy to make a play off of whysomuch’s assist, or he just didn’t care to play anymore, or he openly told mafia to bus him. We can’t really know, and veriat died in silence. One redeeming point is that whysomuch (lightly) pushed Golden to switch his vote to veriat. This is with a grain of salt, as veriat could have asked whysomuch to bus him at this point already (assuming they planned it after this point). In conclusion to (2), the most suspicious post I saw later was this; + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + On April 29 2012 08:15 WhySoMuch wrote: Well this game just became a lot more simple. The_Zen_Man Splinter Pure_SC Mordanis Myself Look the best for their voting yesterday Yomi also looks sorta good, idk how he plays and if he likes to bus or not, but he shouldn't be voted today Golden was forced to vote him so he doesn't look any better and I would say he is a mafia with Veriat If I had to bus my own mafia, I had better get town cred from it right? Also, completely drops his case on zen_man for voting veriat. It must have been a weak case to begin with, so no problem. 3) The last ⅓ of the filter + Show Spoiler + or so has more confusion/distraction posts, characterized by “spew analysis” (short comments about most (if not all) players) and this + Show Spoiler + On April 29 2012 09:12 WhySoMuch wrote: However JailBreaker, this is exactly how a newer mafia would do it, he just throws his name out there with some lame, non existent reasoning. I am moving Jailbreaker to the mafia side for this alone. (In reference to Veriat stating; Jailbreaker You've my number 3 due to consistent flaws in your previous posts.) This is where things get interesting, because splinter is modkilled and flipped green. Now mafia has achieved a mislynch, (unfortunately 2 cause of modkill) and Whysomuch looks good for defending splinter. Obviously whysomuch couldn’t have known that splinter would be mod-killed, but the evidence would be there for later. It’s suspicious to me, because I can’t see why he would defend splinter and not jailbreaker(at all) in that scenario. 4)The “town” lists. + Show Spoiler + This part is just a hunch, but if whysomuch is really mafia, then having all of our town lists would allow easy targets for the night shots. It seems relatively difficult to have a lot of convincing, for-sure, townies at once(as is it seems relatively difficult to have a lot of high rated scum at once on a list). But having 1-2 “town” reads across multiple lists makes shooting easier. I wouldn’t have been so suspicious, but whysomuch did post his townlist and ask others during a night cycle. *Interesting thoughts; what if Aces was mafia? Extremely unlikely, yes, but it would have FORCED the mafia to bus someone because they were both top suspects. I'm too tired to proofread it all through, I hope it makes sense though. In conclusion, I find whysomuch suspicious, but it may be confirmation bias(as I kept reading the filter, I got more and more suspicious). | ||
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WhySoMuch
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
I've been thinking about the D1 lynch alot. What is puzzling me is the fact that we actually got a scum on the very first day,aka very rare in mafia. Looking at the people voting we can see that: Veriat: (7): yomi, The_Zen_Man, WhySoMuch, Pure-SC2, Splinter[eP], Mordanis, O.Golden_ne The_Zen_Man (1): Veriat Yomi (1): Jailbreaker AcesAnoka (1):Lazermonkey WhySoMuch (1): nreekay324 Haven't voted (1):AcesAnoka So Veriat was scum and Jailbreaker was townie. Now if we assume that noone that voted On Veriat was scum then two of me, nreekay324 and AcesAnoka/Marvellosity must be scum. Now as for myself, I was seriously thought that Aces was looking way scummier than Veriat at the point of the lynch. I went to bed at about 22:00 and at that point where I left there were alot of indecisiveness on who to lynch. Thus I wasn't able to change my vote, although I'm not trying to archive town cred as I still think Aces looked more scummy in D1. While I can't be 100% sure that Marv/Aces is town, it makes alot of sense. nreekay324 could very well be scum tho. I still think that the odds of BOTH this players being scum is relativly low. + Show Spoiler + However, it is possible now that I am actually checking filters. During the 3 pages Marv posted this far he BARLY mentions nreekay324. nreekay324 himself is at first very suspicious against Aces, although when Marv replaces him he suddenly change his mind on him to town. This is somewhat strange to me... This means that someone in the inner circel, the ones who voted for Veriat in the first place must be scum. I still have a hard time seeing, Pure or Mordanis being scum as they were the ones who pushed for the vote at Veriat. Note that I'm in fact not including The_Zen_Man. I'm not sure what to think anymore about him. Yes it is true that he posted the first case on Veriat but he didn't actually push the case at all after that. It was Pure and Mordanis who did. during D2 he have posted not much at all. He states that he still think that WhySomuch is scum. I feel he is tunneling a little bit to hard atm and abusing the fact that he is "forever town" after D1. This is alot of WIFOM but for me he has at least lost his never-vote status. I'd say it's most likely he is town atm but not 100%. The other people in the circel: Golden: Still leaining town here. WhySoMuch: I'm not sure about this guy at all. As I'm lazy I will not post any evidence and such of this tho : ). I'm thinking that one out of Golden, The_Zen_Man and WhySoMuch is probebly scum. The most likely one is WhySoMuch but I don't want to be too fast on dissmissing the others! | ||
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Pure-SC2
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Why would scum push the lynch on Veriat when only a single vote either way would let him live for another day? The only player in the Veriat lynch that looks suspicious to me is WhySoMuch based on his behaviour in the lead up to the deadline. If we look at that vote, this is what I see (colouring known town and my town reads for now): Day1: Veriat: (7): yomi, The_Zen_Man, WhySoMuch, Pure-SC2, Splinter[eP], Mordanis, O.Golden_ne The_Zen_Man (1): Veriat Yomi (1): Jailbreaker AcesAnoka (1):Lazermonkey WhySoMuch (1): nreekay324 No Vote: (1):AcesAnoka/Marvellosity Based on the back and forth between them, I don't think both WhySoMuch and Golden can be scum. Golden's filter reads town to me more than WhySoMuch. I believe there is at least one scum between Lazermonkey, nreekay324 and AcesAnoka/Marvellosity. nreekay: - Short filter - Has provided more detailed analysis as game has progressed Lazermonkey: - Short filter - Votes on Aces for lurking, and stays with that vote. No one could convince him anyone was more suspicious than him. - References Nova/The_Zen_Man – when Nova isn’t playing the game? This might be way too circumstantial but could this possibly be a scumslip based on communicating with the admin Nova? I think he was meant to be referencing me here. AcesAnoka/Marvellosity: - I want to believe is town, but doubts linger. WhySoMuch: - Large filter, odd logic - Calls himself out as likely to be killed during the night and proceeds to post his reads. Obvious self town promotion - Things against him being scum: Puts me and The_Zen_Man on a never vote list. Early town read on Splinter, but this isn't conclusive. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
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After a long day discovering reverse Earth, the crew went back inside and sat down for some tea and biscuits. Sharing tales about how they were saddened by the death of their crewmates despite having decided on their execution themselves, they had fooled themselves into thinking they were simulants. Now that they knew they weren't, none of them could get the faces of their fallen comrades out of their heads. None, but Arnold Judas Rimmer. He couldn't resist telling the entire crew about the game of Risk he played at Cadet school all those years ago, which subsequently bored the entire crew to near death. Due to the intense boredom of hearing about how dice were rolled for over two hours, the entire crew fell asleep. When they woke up, they noticed Rimmer was still talking about his Risk game and decided to punch him unconscious. They made a quick head count and noticed that all eight crewmembers were still alive. Though relieved, there was still work to be done to catch the last remaining simulants. Though Rimmer seemed a tempting target as he was already unconscious, they decided to go with the method that had worked for them in the past, a vote. The Day will last until Friday, May 4th at 21:59 GMT (+00:00). Voting is mandatory. Failure to vote will result in a modkill. Remember that coaching is available from our coaches Mementoss, prplhz and Adam4167, should you need advice. | ||
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WhySoMuch
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1) We have a veteran, You should now claim as it gives us 1 more clear person. This claim is really easy to confirm, so I'm not worried too much about fakes. 2) We have a medic. You should not hard claim, but make sure you somehow make it known who you protected last night. And everyone should "fake" angel today. Get creative in how you go about it and think about who the mafia would kill and how would an angel act in this spot. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On May 03 2012 04:35 nreekay324 wrote: This began as a "re-evaluation", but ended up being a post about whysomuch. I'm dead tired after this, and I can't stay up any longer so I'm going to post it a little ways before the deadline. Whysomuch's filter 1)There’s a lot of posts to go through. + Show Spoiler + As I was going through the first fourth or so of the filter, I mainly saw “we must lynch D1”, “i’m new to TL and its format”, “townies do this and mafia do this” and “villages’ wolves vs towns’ mafia”. All very confusing stuff, but also distracting stuff. 1A)One thing of substance is when he votes for zen_man. + Show Spoiler + On April 27 2012 10:40 WhySoMuch wrote: Someone already pointed this out and I've already stated my position but I'd like to take it a step further, I find this post very wolfy, more so than Varient or however you spell his name who said the same thing essentially, because you aren't thinking deeper. You say in the other game they mislynched on the first day because they didn't have enough information, but how do we expect to gain information if we "No Lynch"? Day 2 will essentially be a repeat of day 1. Also, Voting early and often leads to profit, ##VOTE: The_Zen_Man hope i did that right That was zen_man’s first post. whysomuch made a quick jab at him. This is similar to how yomi voted whysomuch in the beginning; for no real reason other than to progress discussion and get a read. But, it’s a disguised way for whysomuch to take a stance, with an “out”, because yomi already did this and he (with others) are confident that yomi’s play is town. (e.g. making his play town). + Show Spoiler + On April 27 2012 16:42 WhySoMuch wrote: His vote on me can't be do to lurking or it makes no sense. Why would he not vote the guy who hasn't posted yet if that was his reasoning? I didn't really address the vote on me because I thought it was a joke vote, his reasoning that went along with it are because werewolves are gay, which isn't really much to respond to. That said I'm willing to say Yomi is a villager albeit misguided because a wolf wouldn't vote me in that spot. The other guys vote on me, Nreekay, is super sketch though. 2) A pivotal point is when Veriat (mafia) picks up 2 votes(yomi and mordanis), he follows up with this; + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + On April 28 2012 18:03 Veriat wrote: Ok i know i have the lowest post count, but be mindfull that this is my first forum mafia game. And the reasoning behind my "only agreeing and disagreeing" posts, is because many of my thoughts have already been posted, so posting it again would just be repition, which most of the posts in the earlier pages pretty much were. And each time i go to check on the game, it has expand with a few pages, so there's been a lot of information to go through. So (watch out another agreement!) i would agree that i indeed do look very scummy atm. But this was just an explanation on my behavior, i'll have my analysis posted soonish. On April 28 2012 18:26 Veriat wrote: Ok here are my thoughts on who are the scum: The_Zen_Man nreekay324 Jailbreaker The_Zen_Man You're stance on the "lynch no lynch" discussion has left me a little puzzled, and your overall playstyle seem fishy to me, so you're getting my vote. nreekay324 All your posts just seem off and scummy. Many of them seem rushed or flawed, and you basically just jumped the bandwagon with your early vote on Why_So_Much. On a side note i did find Why_So_Much's playstyle kind of off, but i don't think he's scum, because then why would you vote for him? Jailbreaker You've my number 3 due to consistent flaws in your previous posts. + Show Spoiler + not concrete, but interestingly veriat followed up with this; On April 28 2012 18:27 Veriat wrote: ##vote: The_Zen_Man The same guy whysomuch was pressing. I bring this up because, if whysomuch is mafia than he would have been in discussion with veriat. Meaning that voting for veriat was (probably) a unified decision to bus veriat. 2A) Before Veriat posted, whysomuch was here; + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + On April 28 2012 09:35 WhySoMuch wrote: Town: Splinter LazerMonkey Mordanis Mafia: The_Zen_Man Nreekay On April 28 2012 11:03 WhySoMuch wrote: ##vote: The_Zen_Man After veriat picked up his votes, panicked with 2 crappy posts, and had thezenman drop this hammer on him; + Show Spoiler + On April 28 2012 19:54 The_Zen_Man wrote: My case against Veriat. Veriat posted this about 5 minutes after my post, and it was also very similliar to mine. This seemed like he was bandwagoning on this idea, maybe choosing the idea which seemed at time like many people supported? Not long after that, when O.Golden_ne voiced his opinions on the matter, he changed his opinion rather quick, maybe not wanting to take a real stand in the matter, as this would put him in the spotlight. His desire to be neutral is developed, as he change his opinion again. First he was for lynching lurkers, but now he only wants to lynch those who seem suspicious. In this post he states his reason for his "agreeing and disagreeing" posts, with the explanation that all of the ideas had already been posted. Surely, he must have something to add, he could atleast voice his opinions on some other players. This post, and his vote is still puzzling to me. "Your overall playstyle seem fishy to me" is not a good explanation, and if you want to take a opinion you should give a good reason. Your vote on me was almost as puzzling as whysomuch, who haven't answered to why he voted for me. If you want to prove that you are townie you should vote with a good argument. Also your other "candidates" do not have any better explanations. @WhySoMuch: I said this before, but i will say it again, please explain your vote. after, whysomuch’s next post is this; + Show Spoiler + On April 29 2012 03:56 WhySoMuch wrote: It's the same game, Y'all call it Mafia, We call it Werewolf. It's the same principal and I'm really confused why people are so caught up on it. This is newb game for people that have played 3 or less games ON THIS SITE. That is why I signed up for it, to get a feel for THIS SITE. So many things are different, such as requiring a Majority to lynch someone, that I think it was best to play a game like this before trying out the non-newb games. I have played over 100 games on the other forum using wolve/villager lingo, so to answer your question about 100 games to get it ingrained. I am making an effort, every time you see the word Mafia or Town most likely I had to go back and erase wolf/villager. However sometimes I forget. I didn't ask how to quote posts, I asked how to quote multiple posts, because on the other site, I can click a button and it will multi-quote for me. THis forum did not have it, and I was wondering what people usually do instead. As for the "All" button I probably should have figured that out, but again, on the other forum there is an option to change posts per page from 25 to 100. I have explained my vote a gazillion times already. Just because I vote you again doesn't mean I have to have different reasons than before. I am confused though, because Veriant looks extremely bad right now. Like all his reads are justs sponges and he has no original thought, so I'm pretty sure he's a wolf. Which means you likely aren't a wolf. ##vote: Veriat Firstly we have more (distraction) clarification/responses to the nomenclature and how to post on TL! Then, the point of the post (bolded). 2 things, 1)”you’re mafia zen_man i’m done explaining!” (look back yourselves, it’s a relatively weak case against zen_man) and 2)a self-contradiction (italicized). I can’t really make sense of the next part without getting into WIFOM, but whysomuch vote changes to Aces(now our marvellosity) and then back to Veriat.* Veriat’s pretty safe still with only (like 3-4?) votes. Then whysomuch makes this fishy post shortly thereafter; + Show Spoiler + On April 29 2012 04:35 WhySoMuch wrote: Alright, this is the succession of posts that make Veriat look really dba We need rto hear your thoughts. It is important that we know where you stand on people talked about in the thread, even if someone has already said it. I highly doubt you are having the same exact thoughts on the same people for the same reasons, and you can always add to the discussion by stating your thoughts. The 2nd underlined, idk, I dont like the fact that you added the stuff in the perenthesis, just seems unecessary but meh, this post isn't wolfy, but putting this with the following post makes it look really bad. Your reasoning on The_Zen man is his stance on the "lynch no lynch" was the same exact stance you had. So idk why that would make you think he's a mafia. You see I could think that, cause we have opposing views on the matter, but you two were both on the side of "no lynch" so that doesn't make sense. Your reasoning on nreekay, you called my playstyle off therefore why is it unreasonable for someone to vote me? How can I have an off play style and not be considered a mafia? That part is contradicting. Your 3rd mafia read, Jailbreaker, I'm just calling shenanigans on this, why don't you point out the flaws? Overall, there were no original thoughts in his reads and they were all sponges, which make sense because that's what he said in his earlier post. But what DOESN'T make sense, is that his sponges don't match his posts. His reasoning doesn't match up with what he says earlier, meaning that he is sponging just to sponge and not thinking about it. + Show Spoiler + This is suspicious to me, because 1)whysomuch posts this as an after-he-voted post and 2)he’s so unpushy of veriat. If veriat was a real mafia read, why so weak? the push against zen_man was much harder, with less reason to be suspicious then too. It’s like setting Veriat up for a redemption post, or trying to put his post in a more-newb less-scummy light. However, there’s nothing Veriat says further from about the time he voted for zen_man all the way up to his lynch. Perhaps veriat was too busy to make a play off of whysomuch’s assist, or he just didn’t care to play anymore, or he openly told mafia to bus him. We can’t really know, and veriat died in silence. One redeeming point is that whysomuch (lightly) pushed Golden to switch his vote to veriat. This is with a grain of salt, as veriat could have asked whysomuch to bus him at this point already (assuming they planned it after this point). In conclusion to (2), the most suspicious post I saw later was this; + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + On April 29 2012 08:15 WhySoMuch wrote: Well this game just became a lot more simple. The_Zen_Man Splinter Pure_SC Mordanis Myself Look the best for their voting yesterday Yomi also looks sorta good, idk how he plays and if he likes to bus or not, but he shouldn't be voted today Golden was forced to vote him so he doesn't look any better and I would say he is a mafia with Veriat If I had to bus my own mafia, I had better get town cred from it right? Also, completely drops his case on zen_man for voting veriat. It must have been a weak case to begin with, so no problem. 3) The last ⅓ of the filter + Show Spoiler + or so has more confusion/distraction posts, characterized by “spew analysis” (short comments about most (if not all) players) and this + Show Spoiler + On April 29 2012 09:12 WhySoMuch wrote: However JailBreaker, this is exactly how a newer mafia would do it, he just throws his name out there with some lame, non existent reasoning. I am moving Jailbreaker to the mafia side for this alone. (In reference to Veriat stating; Jailbreaker You've my number 3 due to consistent flaws in your previous posts.) This is where things get interesting, because splinter is modkilled and flipped green. Now mafia has achieved a mislynch, (unfortunately 2 cause of modkill) and Whysomuch looks good for defending splinter. Obviously whysomuch couldn’t have known that splinter would be mod-killed, but the evidence would be there for later. It’s suspicious to me, because I can’t see why he would defend splinter and not jailbreaker(at all) in that scenario. 4)The “town” lists. + Show Spoiler + This part is just a hunch, but if whysomuch is really mafia, then having all of our town lists would allow easy targets for the night shots. It seems relatively difficult to have a lot of convincing, for-sure, townies at once(as is it seems relatively difficult to have a lot of high rated scum at once on a list). But having 1-2 “town” reads across multiple lists makes shooting easier. I wouldn’t have been so suspicious, but whysomuch did post his townlist and ask others during a night cycle. *Interesting thoughts; what if Aces was mafia? Extremely unlikely, yes, but it would have FORCED the mafia to bus someone because they were both top suspects. I'm too tired to proofread it all through, I hope it makes sense though. In conclusion, I find whysomuch suspicious, but it may be confirmation bias(as I kept reading the filter, I got more and more suspicious). 1) How is it all confusing? It's very straight forward to go through. You're merely jumping on the band-wagon that my posts are confusing to try and discredit me 2) How do those two quotes have any relevance together? Meaning, yes if we were both mafia we would have been in discussion, but how does Veriat voting the The_Zen_Man have anything to do with bussing Veriat. These actions are irrelevant to each other and the fact that you are trying to make them sound relevant is shady. 2a) Yes I completely dropped the case on The_Zen man cause things had changed. He voted a Mafia while being the first person to make a case on him, when he could have chosen anyone else. This play doesn't make sense mafia/mafia, hence I changed my read. Is it so odd to drop a read when the man starts a lynch on a mafia? There's nothing strange about that it's using common sense. Yet again, your trying to make a case against me by spinning my posts to fit your conclusions. 3) I didn't defend Splinter because he was lurking. I defended him because his play was lolobv town and people were discussing lynching him cause he was lurking. I didn't defend Jailbreaker because everything I read seemed like it came from a mafia. I made a case on why I thought Splinter was a town, thank you for quoting that so people see why I defended him and not JailBreaker 4) I had been asking people to list their towns throughout the day cycle as well, again thank you for ignoring that part. It doesn't make targets easier, Mafia look for Power Roles first, then they go after consensus town. The fact that this site doesn't do town lists is pretty frickin hilarious cause they are immensely beneficial. but I'm not gonna debate that anymore. This is the most contrived case I've ever read, every one of your points, you spun my posts to fit your conclusions. I seriously think you could be a mafia for this but people are just gonna say that I'm mad you called me mafia, so someone else should look into it. On a side note: I'm fairly certain the mafia are in Golden/nReeKay/Lazermonkey. I'm now 100% certain PureSC is a town though. | ||
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marvellosity
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Glad you're coming around, Mordanis Case is gonna have to be tomorrow now. | ||
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marvellosity
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How many times should I be mentioning people? o.o Also, if you think WhySoMuch is most likely scum, what's your case? | ||
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WhySoMuch
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On May 03 2012 06:34 Lazermonkey wrote: Okay so here we go! I've been thinking about the D1 lynch alot. What is puzzling me is the fact that we actually got a scum on the very first day,aka very rare in mafia. Looking at the people voting we can see that: So Veriat was scum and Jailbreaker was townie. Now if we assume that noone that voted On Veriat was scum then two of me, nreekay324 and AcesAnoka/Marvellosity must be scum. Now as for myself, I was seriously thought that Aces was looking way scummier than Veriat at the point of the lynch. I went to bed at about 22:00 and at that point where I left there were alot of indecisiveness on who to lynch. Thus I wasn't able to change my vote, although I'm not trying to archive town cred as I still think Aces looked more scummy in D1. While I can't be 100% sure that Marv/Aces is town, it makes alot of sense. nreekay324 could very well be scum tho. I still think that the odds of BOTH this players being scum is relativly low. + Show Spoiler + However, it is possible now that I am actually checking filters. During the 3 pages Marv posted this far he BARLY mentions nreekay324. nreekay324 himself is at first very suspicious against Aces, although when Marv replaces him he suddenly change his mind on him to town. This is somewhat strange to me... This means that someone in the inner circel, the ones who voted for Veriat in the first place must be scum. I still have a hard time seeing, Pure or Mordanis being scum as they were the ones who pushed for the vote at Veriat. Note that I'm in fact not including The_Zen_Man. I'm not sure what to think anymore about him. Yes it is true that he posted the first case on Veriat but he didn't actually push the case at all after that. It was Pure and Mordanis who did. during D2 he have posted not much at all. He states that he still think that WhySomuch is scum. I feel he is tunneling a little bit to hard atm and abusing the fact that he is "forever town" after D1. This is alot of WIFOM but for me he has at least lost his never-vote status. I'd say it's most likely he is town atm but not 100%. The other people in the circel: Golden: Still leaining town here. WhySoMuch: I'm not sure about this guy at all. As I'm lazy I will not post any evidence and such of this tho : ). I'm thinking that one out of Golden, The_Zen_Man and WhySoMuch is probebly scum. The most likely one is WhySoMuch but I don't want to be too fast on dissmissing the others! Conflicting tone in this post. You are sure that there is one scum on Veriat, and you go on to say that 4 of the 7 people (2 are dead) are some degree of town reads, and yet, you are "Not sure about this guy at all" at me. Shouldn't you be fairly sure I am a mafia? And as such shouldn't you be willing to make a case on me. And then you go on to not limit your options by adding the underlined clause. | ||
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WhySoMuch
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On April 29 2012 15:22 Lazermonkey wrote: Wow, such a nice day-1 kill! I wasn't at home last night but I followed the drama from my phone : P On May 03 2012 06:34 Lazermonkey wrote: Okay so here we go! I've been thinking about the D1 lynch alot. What is puzzling me is the fact that we actually got a scum on the very first day,aka very rare in mafia. Looking at the people voting we can see that: Veriat: (7): yomi, The_Zen_Man, WhySoMuch, Pure-SC2, Splinter[eP], Mordanis, O.Golden_ne The_Zen_Man (1): Veriat Yomi (1): Jailbreaker AcesAnoka (1):Lazermonkey WhySoMuch (1): nreekay324 *Snip* Now as for myself, I was seriously thought that Aces was looking way scummier than Veriat at the point of the lynch. I went to bed at about 22:00 and at that point where I left there were alot of indecisiveness on who to lynch. Thus I wasn't able to change my vote, although I'm not trying to archive town cred as I still think Aces looked more scummy in D1. *Snip* Can I ask you something sir. How can you follow all the drama on your phone if you are asleep? If you weren't asleep, then you very well could have changed your vote but you didn't. Either way you are lieing somewhere here. So why are you lieing? I can already feel today being a good day. This is gonna get better btw. this is just the start | ||
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WhySoMuch
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+ Show Spoiler + On April 28 2012 06:30 Lazermonkey wrote: @The_Zen_Man + Show Spoiler + On April 28 2012 05:41 The_Zen_Man wrote: @Lazermonkey In that post a merely stated some of my opinions on some players.I posted several other similliar opinions on some other players. And concerning how i like how AcesAnoka put a pressure vote on yomi is because i liked it. We were all thinking why yomi voted, but we needed a statement from him. Also, the vote would tell us more why nreekay324 voted for whysomuch. + Show Spoiler + On April 28 2012 05:41 The_Zen_Man wrote: @Lazermonkey In that post a merely stated some of my opinions on some players.I posted several other similliar opinions on some other players. And concerning how i like how AcesAnoka put a pressure vote on yomi is because i liked it. We were all thinking why yomi voted, but we needed a statement from him. Also, the vote would tell us more why nreekay324 voted for whysomuch. And if AcesAnoka would want to go for a bandwagon on someone, why not whysomuch, who already had 2 votes on him? That seems to me like a town behavior. Also, if i was his "scumbro", wouldnt i support his voting on yomi before? Not vote with him or something, just some few posts about it. And yet i haven't done that. The reason for my defensive stance is beacuse i've had to explain some suspicions on me, not really any more than that. If you read my filter, you would know that. It seems like you are trying to find suspicious behavior on me, and you are not afraid on going far in your accusations. You did manage to inflate a few comments on AcesAnoka to me being his "scumbro" .Is it because on of your scum-buddies got some heat and you are trying to direct eveyones attention elsewhere? nreekay324 for example has been getting some heat lately. Atm im not sure about you, you haven't posted enough for me to be sure of you. That seems to me like a town behavior. Also, if i was his "scumbro", wouldnt i support his voting on yomi before? Not vote with him or something, just some few posts about it. And yet i haven't done that. The reason for my defensive stance is beacuse i've had to explain some suspicions on me, not really any more than that. If you read my filter, you would know that. It seems like you are trying to find suspicious behavior on me, and you are not afraid on going far in your accusations. You did manage to inflate a few comments on AcesAnoka to me being his "scumbro" .Is it because on of your scum-buddies got some heat and you are trying to direct eveyones attention elsewhere? nreekay324 for example has been getting some heat lately. Atm im not sure about you, you haven't posted enough for me to be sure of you. I feel you are just not reading/being stupid once again here. Alot of things in this post are plain wrong. Both of the votes on AcesAnoka(or at least Yomi's, can't say too much about nreekay324 yet) were not serious. There was never a possibilty of bandwagoning here. No you wouldn't. Having two people out of a sudden sharing their opinions on a weak case would make you look scummy as hell. It's a common way to play scum, you split your opinions. So this doesn't prove your innocence. I even said in my post that my case on you and AcesAnoka being scumbros were a weak one. But the fact that you are still seem to think highly of Acec just makes me wonder more. Once again you post a somewhat confused post. It's like you aren't reading the posts well enough because you seem to miss alot of what is happening. You are still being overly defensive imo, which is not standard town play. And you always attack the one who are suspicious of you. First WhySoMuch, then nreekay324 and last me. Have it actually struck you that we might not be suspicious of you because we are scum but rather that we actually think your play is strange? Overall I still think your just town. I don't think your play looks like town, but it doesn't look like scum either. Going to bed now, will be much more active tommorow! You just made an extremely long post criticizing everything that The_Zen_Man had done, You even say that he is being "overly defensive imo which is not standard town play" and yet your conclusion is that he is "just town". How is that possible? Then your last line you say you " don't think his play looks like town, but it doesn't look like scum either", yet you still call him a town. Why are you afraid to call him mafia, you laid out almost a whole case on him and still you think he's town? it doesn't make sense. Also your phrasing of "just town". What do you mean by this? | ||
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