Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia XI - Page 26

On May 03 2012 10:18 WhySoMuch wrote:


Conflicting tone in this post.

You are sure that there is one scum on Veriat, and you go on to say that 4 of the 7 people (2 are dead) are some degree of town reads, and yet, you are "Not sure about this guy at all" at me. Shouldn't you be fairly sure I am a mafia? And as such shouldn't you be willing to make a case on me.

And then you go on to not limit your options by adding the underlined clause.

On May 03 2012 13:55 WhySoMuch wrote:




Can I ask you something sir.

How can you follow all the drama on your phone if you are asleep?

If you weren't asleep, then you very well could have changed your vote but you didn't.

Either way you are lieing somewhere here. So why are you lieing?


I can already feel today being a good day. This is gonna get better btw. this is just the start

On May 03 2012 14:02 WhySoMuch wrote:

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You just made an extremely long post criticizing everything that The_Zen_Man had done, You even say that he is being "overly defensive imo which is not standard town play" and yet your conclusion is that he is "just town". How is that possible?

Then your last line you say you " don't think his play looks like town, but it doesn't look like scum either", yet you still call him a town. Why are you afraid to call him mafia, you laid out almost a whole case on him and still you think he's town? it doesn't make sense.

Also your phrasing of "just town". What do you mean by this?

On April 27 2012 16:10 O.Golden_ne wrote:
I'd be happy to, Mordanis.

After analysis of that post i see how you can stipulate that i was contradictory. I've stated that perhaps Jailbreakers vote against yomi is what is required to get yomi to satisfactorily explain his actions and to maybe pressure nreekay to explain himself also. I think that Jailbreakers vote may have been a bit of a knee-jerk defence of WhySoMuch, but if it yields results with yomi and nreekay then i'll allow it.

i do support a first day lynch.
i dont support voting for the sake of voting.
i see jailbreakers vote as an opportunity to uncover other peoples motives, even though i'd rather not have to have him pressure so hard, i'd rather we were all active and could contribute.

My opinion of current votes:
yomi's vote seems emotional or just misdirected agression, i need a little more proof before offering my own opinion on that matter. werewolves being gay doesnt seem like a legitimate reason for me to vote.
nreekays vote seems to be a bandwagon and baseless until otherwise proven.
jailbreakers vote, while perhaps it might be in the same vain as these previous two might be what is required to show some light on both their intentions.
whysomuch's vote is perhaps to deflect the attention off himself. i dont feel like he has addressed yomi's vote on him particularly.

like i said, i'm waiting to hear from all these people before casting my own judgement. to avoid voting for the sake of voting.

Does that cover it Mordanis? I think other than that slight contradiction my posts have been to the point. thoughts?

On April 28 2012 13:31 O.Golden_ne wrote:
So we're drawing to the end of day one. There's been much debate so far, and unfortunately there are still several people who's post count and content is fairly light. I wish i had more to go by today but as i am pro-D1-lynch i feel we can still make progress on what we've got.

It's a tough call to make, whether to kill someone on the first day or not. So far everyone has had their own take on the subject and really its some of the only information with which to substantiate cases aside from lurking and early game voting. The chances of hitting a townie is a lot higher than hitting a mafia, and in another 24 hours another one of us will be dead from the mafia. So the medic should keep and eye out for those people posting the most comprehensive arguments, as this could be a target for the mafia in the early stages of the game.

as an aside, have you noticed the amusing trait of lurkers to say things like "LURKERS POST MORE!! NEED MORE CONTENT!!"

In regards to my upcoming vote my read has changed after a good sleep and re-read of events.

1. AcesAnoka
2. Nreekay324
3. Veriat

Reasoning:
1. AcesAnoka Your whole play is erratic.

You start by strangely confirming that we shouldn't lynch first day and you post that you don't want anyone to rush voting. I like the stance of not rushing voting, however if you're adding nothing to the conversation then you are just stalling everything. Amazingly you're 3rd post includes a vote. How does this logic follow?! THEN, if you take into account the person you are voting for is yomi. Yomi's playstyle is one that you have openly criticised, however it is not too unlike your own.. just with less holes in it. Next, under the pressure i put on you and a very small explanation from yomi your vote folds.

My read on you AcesAnoka is that your play reeks of either a hidden agenda (perhaps defending another scum: read Nreekay) or defensive play; Town doesn't need to be defensive.

2. Nreekay324. everything i have said previously about you i feel still stands. Your explanation post was confusing with such gems as:


i'm really not sure where you stand at all on lynching now and it feel to me that once you get a little heat you've changed your opinion to a more neutral one. That being said, you've pointed your FOS at me and PureSC2 in the same post. Making me feel you're getting emotional over being targeted as you haven't particularly substantiated any claims against either of us.

My read on you Nreekay, is you are an emotional impulsive player. You post little, and when you do post your opinions sway in the wind of what benefits you solely as a player than for town. You were effectively a lurker for a lot of the game, and this gives me little hope for you in terms of being an asset to town when the voting gets vicious.

3. Veriat Your lurking has earnt you Jailbreakers 3rd place. While his posts may have flaws, your posts have more.

##Vote: AcesAnoka - Suspicious. Hidden agenda.
##FoS: Nreekay324 - Defensive. Lurking & Impulsive Votes.

Both these players seem very afraid to be lynched, and squirm under scrutiny. If AcesAnoka flips town i'll have to do a serious re-evaluate of everything.

Golden

On April 29 2012 04:50 O.Golden_ne wrote:


Veriat is my current 3rd scum-read, i would be happy to see him lynched. His behaviour and activity level isn't great as stated by several of the others. I cannot tell if he is town or mafia, but as a lurker i find him useless in the debate. In his inactivity lies his downfall, however with AcesAnoka and Nreekay it is their activity that has brought about my suspicions. Which leads me to question everyone in particular those voting for Veriat. If it comes down to AcesAnoka and Veriat do we lynch the flip-flop impulse voters who lurk and post fluff, or the absent veriat who 'stands firm' in his vote with the_zen_man and has otherwise done little.

I will change votes only until you can show me AcesAnoka is less of a threat than Veriat.

On April 29 2012 06:12 O.Golden_ne wrote:
@Mordanis I am willing to vote for Veriat. I've said this several times. Look, we've got one hour left.. as Veriat is on my list so i'll change my vote. I am happy to lynch him based on his general lack of team play, evident in his posts and mainly his lurking. To make this last hour easier for town i'll post my vote now so that it is confirmed. However before i do this remember that no matter what the outcome of todays lynch we have to consider Nreekay and AcesAnoka. I still have strong reads on these players and i will cross-reference their actions to how the lynch pans out when i am better rested.

If Veriat flips town i will want to question those pushing for Veriats lynch over AcesAnoka.
If Veriat flips mafia perhaps our town will be a little more unified.

Either way, we will have one less voter and one less lurker.

Here comes the end of our first day.

##Unvote AcesAnoka
## Vote: Veriat

On April 30 2012 10:27 O.Golden_ne wrote:
This is a solid read, please re-read it as it has alot of analysis and i don't want any of it missed.

Hi again everyone, back into coherent analysis mode after a massive binge sleep and a re-set of my body clock! There are several important points worth noting for our lynch in Day 2 in regards to Veriats lynching and Yomi's assassination. I feel that i should also give my analysis on WhySoMuch as he has already voted for me today and i should post a rebut, as we need every single accurate vote today because we are 1 townie vote down out of 10. There are 8 town left and we need a majority of 6 and mafia are unlikely to vote for themselves! But let me explain that after the main analysis of this post.

In the light of Veriat's lynching:

Veriats lynching was a great positive step for the group so early on in the game. He did nothing for the group and was lurking. Now that Veriat has been evicted from the group it renders the Mafia unable to hide under the guise of lurker. The group has accurately sniped a lurker and promoted that active play is what is expected from one of us. Veriat is the prime example of a lurking, hiding mafia, now i fear we will see the rise of either of two kinds of Mafia. A soft-spoken yet explanatory "sponge" Mafia, who will easily slip into someone like WhySoMuch's ill-explained town-lists under the guise of participation and in the safety of assumed mutual innocence. Or a second type of which i have my own suspicions but i will keep to myself until i can be 100% sure. You will have to trust me on this one.

In the light of Yomi's assassination:

Unfortunately they got yomi. He was dangerous to the Mafia because he was erratic, but maybe even more dangerous because he was right. I see no reason for them to snipe yomi as a #1 priority, there were several other out-spoken target which could have yielded better results for them. I have shown a level of insight, WhySoMuch has shown to be aggro and effective in persuading votes at the end of deadline, Pure-SC2 have also given some good points. So perhaps it [i]was[i/] because of his inclination to get things right?. If you look at yomi's feed he voted WhySoMuch, Nreekay and finally Veriat. I'm glad 7 of us got to Veriat in the end, but yomi voted him first shortly after he appeared #3 on my mafia list.

Yomi's strength may have been in his ability to "get it right", however his weakness in my eyes was his little posting. It would have been great to know his thoughts after the DAY1 lynch, especially his thoughts on a top 3 suspect list.

I think that the reason they shot him was because while he may not have been a provider of new idea's, he was a provider of solid voting. Shooting an idea-provider would be greatly substantial for the Mafia in the early game so why didn't they? WhySoMuch could have been an ideal target and he even noted it himself so he binged out idea's in the night time. I thought that perhaps if WhySoMuch was shot than i would consider his idea's posted to be given a little more credence than i have (read below), but that is moot as he hasn't been shot.

THIS the fact that he wasn't shot makes him slightly suspicious, as who would be able to spew ideas in the night time and not get shot? Perhaps a Mafia who want's to incriminate someone who has been contributing to the group with a 'legitimate nightime argument' without any contest. This is highly strange behaviour. He wasn't sniped, and his idea has gone uncontested. If WhySoMuch was mafia and his position on me was known in Day 1 and i was sniped he would be considered suspicious. So he gave his idea's hoping they will be absorbed on the record, but unchallenged and so he could use them for his benefit at a later date ("oh woops we sniped a townie, what? justify why he's my target? WELL, i commented about him at night, surely he would have sniped me") all the while sniping a solid voter town.

My opinion of WhySoMuch and his vote on me.

You've tried very hard to set yourself up as the 'Champion of the Veriat lynch', however as i see it you voted 3 times yesterday within rapid succession. Then by admitting 'your townies' had voted for another player you jumped on a bandwagon, which i see as very loose play. By doing that you 'won over' a cheap sort of allegiance with these players, you seem to be trying to foster some surface level friendships with these players and then persecute me for not quickly jumping between 'bandwagons'. My vote on AcesAnoka was reasoned and explained and you've belittled it with this style of play. Yes, Veriat was mafia. Yes, i didn't change vote quickly. Is it more suspect to change votes quickly just before lynch time if you've explained your stance in great detail previously? I feel my style has been efficient in gathering information on players. I also feel that had i changed quickly you would have found me suspicious also. I was going to change votes in due course and i did, which was explained in my posts which you never seem to comprehend.

You worry me, you don't read very deeply into the game or into other peoples posts. I have had trouble with many of your responses to questions asked of you in regards to content and your stubborn attitude. I've answered your suspicions of me and you seem very against me. This stubborn attitude should be alleviated and you should read deeper into everyone's posts not just people who don't emerge on your core group of villagers. Please keep your vote on me until you decide with a little more consideration who is Mafia, because i assure you with 100% conviction i am Town, and that i am an asset to the Town.

On a side note that you've said there is a 'core group of villages emerging' with little explanation of this town list (Bar the_zen_man) compared this to the depth your 'explanation' of your vote for me. This could be worrisome as mafia could easily slip into your Town list. Your initial justification of your vote against Veriat was fairly slim which you rectified with some loose quoting, but lynching him wasn't because of your pressure on me. If you create a group of innocents in your mind please dont let this cloud your 'bull in a china shop' analysis of players.

@WhySoMuch: I am not suspicious of you as mafia. I think you are a very surface level thinking, stubborn and aggressive town. Please explain N1 to me.
@People who may consider WhySoMuch suspicious: In his defence, while he may have some contradictory and flip-flop opinions towards the end of day one and had a very strong conviction to get a lynch he was much more active and aggressive than i would expect even of an aggressive mafia.

@Nreekay324
How do you reason this argument now. In the hindsight that Yomi was actually innocent. It makes your play look very squirmy under the pressure you were recieveing. Explain.