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SexDoll
Profile Joined May 2012
United States44 Posts
May 04 2012 00:47 GMT
#561
reread some of acesanoka/marvellosity and think he's a likely townsperson based on the fact that he said it was his first game and a comment he made that showed how he was thinking about how ppl perceive themselves in the game, and things they do to not get lynched. (we lynch ppl right? I can say that?)

whysomuch is likely a villager too based on my experience with him and what I've seen from him so far in the thread
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 04 2012 00:52 GMT
#562
Mmhmm. You're still scum though
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
SexDoll
Profile Joined May 2012
United States44 Posts
May 04 2012 00:57 GMT
#563
On April 28 2012 04:53 Lazermonkey wrote:
Reading through the thread more closely this time.

@AcesAnoka - His posts are just scummier and scummier. Something to add on the case against him are the last posts before he goes to bed. He first is very suspicious about yomi, but when both Golden and Splinter posts some good cases against him he quickly responds with:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 02:24 AcesAnoka wrote:
##unvote

I haven't thought of it the way you just posted, Yomi.

I need nreekay to explain himself though.

I understand that he needs to go to bed but basically what he does is fleeing from all the allegations by saying '' this case was bad, hope u forget about it till tomorrow''.

@The_Zen_Man Must say that he is acting way to defensive atm. At least if he is in fact a towine. Up untill just an hour ago all he had posted was defensive posts in response to WhySoMuch. He then makes a summary posts which just made me even more puzzled. His conclusions just seem to be way off. The one I was most suprised about was:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 03:05 The_Zen_Man wrote:
AcesAnoka: You seem suspicous to me. You're first comment was rather strange, but i know you shoulnd't judge someone too much based on what they first wrote. I think it was a good thing you put that pressure vote on yomi, after all it did give a response from him.

It's almost like you didn't read anything but the very first pages. Alot of people, me including, have been thinking that AcecAnoka's behavior was more then just strange. This is NOT only due to his first post but mostly due to the yomi-debate. And I don't understand what you mean with I think it was a good thing you put that pressure vote on yomi, after all it did give a response from him.. The only thing yomi said was what everyone was thinking: that he was just trying to start a discussion.

Now this is alot WIFOM. But it IS possible that AcesAnoka were trying to go for a cheap bandwagon on yomi and when he realized that it all failed utterly he was quick to abandon the ship. His scumbro The_Zen_Man tries to to cover his teammate by giving him a relativelynice review in his summary post.

Imo The_Zen_Man seems like a confused townie tho and not lynch worthy at all atm. AcecAnoka on the other hand seems quite a bit suspicious to me still.


reread a little more of lazermonkey because of that other post I quoted earlier and cus I saw whysomuch voting him and think this post is interesting.

Lazer post is a defence of zen_man with an attack on aces (who I think is a likely towno). It's interesting because both cases are very thin and he has fairly strong opinions in opposite directions on each of them.

If Lazer is a scummo, he's very unlikely to take this position if aces and zenman are both towndawgs. It's too viable for ppl to go either way on both of these ppl for him to take such a hard stance on them if they were both townspeople. Scum will either back off on these ppl to let the townsos make a bad decision, or they will chose the line of reasoning that makes either of them more likely to be scum.

SOOO given my initial reads on lazer and aces, if lazer flips scum, we can probably turbolynch thezenman the next day
SexDoll
Profile Joined May 2012
United States44 Posts
May 04 2012 00:58 GMT
#564
I see there are a bunch of claimable roles

whysomuch, has anyone claimed or anything?

are there any specific rules you think I might not know that I should?
SexDoll
Profile Joined May 2012
United States44 Posts
May 04 2012 00:59 GMT
#565
On May 04 2012 09:52 marvellosity wrote:
Mmhmm. You're still scum though


sup bro

you should answer some of my generic questions about the mechanics of the game so far imo
SexDoll
Profile Joined May 2012
United States44 Posts
May 04 2012 01:05 GMT
#566
On May 04 2012 09:52 marvellosity wrote:
Mmhmm. You're still scum though


because im such a boss and an all around cool dude, i'll help you out a little more and tell you why this response is absurdly townistic

this is a player comfortable in his role without worry about how others perceive him

lock tounsman

apparently im posting too fast and got a spam alert or something

this would never happen on 2p2
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 04 2012 01:10 GMT
#567
You should read the original posts that tell you about the mechanics imo
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
SexDoll
Profile Joined May 2012
United States44 Posts
May 04 2012 01:20 GMT
#568
too lazy

giving me info is probably a good idea though
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 04 2012 01:27 GMT
#569
i don't give info to scum
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
SexDoll
Profile Joined May 2012
United States44 Posts
May 04 2012 01:36 GMT
#570
On April 28 2012 03:05 The_Zen_Man wrote:
If i have seemed inactive, i will try to make up for it now. Below i will give my opinions on a few players.

WhySoMuch: I still find it strange that you were so aggresive towards me early in the game after i had only posted one post. I also find it strange that you barely mentioned Veriat who's first post was very similliar to mine. Said this before, but can you please explain you're actions here? Also, why didn't you aske yomi for further explination on his vote on you? Instead you voted on me and had some few posts where you conversed with yomi. This also seemed strange to me. Please explain.

Yomi: Not 100% sure on you, but you seem to aggressive for being mafia. Maybe you should have given a better explanation than the one you gave when you voted.

LazerMonkey: You seem to be very busy irl, but you could try to contribute a little. So far, i don't think you have contributed much at all.

AcesAnoka: You seem suspicous to me. You're first comment was rather strange, but i know you shoulnd't judge someone too much based on what they first wrote. I think it was a good thing you put that pressure vote on yomi, after all it did give a response from him.

Veriat: I find it strange that you posted a very similliar post just after mine. I do however like your post where you explain how we would gain information if nolynch. Try to contribute more.

O.Golden_ne: I like your playing style. You encourage everyone to stay calm when they seem emotional and explain themselves when they seem suspicous.

Pure-SC2: You have very good analytical posts, and you are one of the players that contribute the most. Keep it up!

nreekay324 : Im not sure if you are lurking or just not able to post, but you seem really suspicious at the moment. Please explain yourself, and also your vote.


##Vote: The_Zen_Man

this dude is nearly always a wolf

skimmed all of his posts. super defensive and super concerned with how he's coming across. All his defences are him basically saying stuff like "why would I do that as a scum" when the answer to that is obviously so that you could say that when being pushed.

as for the actual post I quoted, it's a common things scum do. They make a list with a bunch of ppl on it and say a sentence or 2 about each of them. The problem is that there aren't any reads there. They're all summaries or suggestions or questions.

It's an excuse to post

Marv being a tool but w/e, never vote him
WhySoMuch
Profile Joined April 2012
132 Posts
May 04 2012 01:40 GMT
#571
On May 04 2012 09:58 SexDoll wrote:
I see there are a bunch of claimable roles

whysomuch, has anyone claimed or anything?

are there any specific rules you think I might not know that I should?


No one has claimed anything yet. Angel protected the right person yesterday or the town has a veteran.

1) You have to get a Majority on someone in order for them to be lynched. This is insanely prowolf so I have no idea how town are suppose to win these things

2) They don't like lists.

3) They don't like short posts

4) You can talk during night

5) You don't have to f5 the thread, I assure nothing has happened. Could go 6 hours without a post.

6) WIFOM- Speculative things
Lurkers = UTRs

SexDoll
Profile Joined May 2012
United States44 Posts
May 04 2012 01:41 GMT
#572
On April 28 2012 20:38 Veriat wrote:
@ The_Zen_Man the things about you i find fishy is your opening post:

Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 22:51 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Hey guys!

This is my first game of maifa, but i have been following other games a bit. I also think that the "no lynch" option could prove useful early in the game to avoid misslynch. The other game i was following misslynched on the first day simply because they didn't have enough information.



And after lurker for some time, you posts this

Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 19:16 The_Zen_Man wrote:
First, i would like to say that the reason for the time it took for this respond is beacause school/sleep. Im currently still in school, but i found time to post this.

WhySoMuch: I understand that my first post would seem suspicous, but i think u misunderstood me. I simply don't want a lynch just for the sake of lynch. If we have information, or if we are sure we would gain some information by lynching then we should do it. But if we just lynch someone because we don't have anyone else, that would probably result in a townie dead. Early in the game that kind of information might not be available, that is why i said nolynch could be useful early. Also, i understand that u voted for me to pressure me to respond, but if you still choose to keep voting on me you should give me a better explination.

I can't post for a few hours, but when i get home i will post some more including my thouhts on some other people.


And from that point on you're on the defensive, not added to the discussion but simply defending your self in multiple posts. To me this just looks scummy, you open being pro "no lynch" because you're scared it might hit you our one of your fellow scum. And then you're playing defensive trying devirt the attention somewhere else, like just now that i vote for you, you panic vote me back, and try to divert the attention to me, now that i've called you out.

And on a side note i know i shared your opinion on the whole D1 lynch discussion, but i my previous posts i note that from reading some of the arguments on the topic, and this being my first forum mafia, i change my mind slightly on the subject.

And i apologize if my first post on why i found you scummy lacked content, upon prof reading it (after posting it ofc /facepalm) i do see SC2's point on it looking kinda scummy.


##unvote

nvm
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 04 2012 01:43 GMT
#573
Yeah I've checked out of this game already tbh.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
WhySoMuch
Profile Joined April 2012
132 Posts
May 04 2012 01:43 GMT
#574
You should read the part where we voted off a mafia d1 and go from there imo.

And oddly enough we reached the same conclusion on Marvelous.
nreekay324
Profile Joined February 2012
46 Posts
May 04 2012 03:57 GMT
#575
@ Sexdoll- Welcome to the game, I don't know if you were informed but this began as a newbie game (under 3 games played on teamliquid). Marvellosity is the only one with more than 3, but that's because he replaced AcesAnoka for inactivity, and WhySoMuch is from another site with a lot of games.

Where do we go now??? I still think the case Marvellosity made against Golden is the most solid case we have. But we can't really push Golden to answer for the case against him because, well, now it's sexdoll? And have zenman and mordanis checked out too
WhySoMuch
Profile Joined April 2012
132 Posts
May 04 2012 04:38 GMT
#576
Me and Sexdoll are from the same site. He knows I suck at this game.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
May 04 2012 05:33 GMT
#577
Okay so I have somewhat of a confession to make regarding the Phone-Veriat thing. I wasn't following in on my phone, I did not go to bed 22:00. Why did I write this? Well, I was fucking scared of the possiblity to get lynched. Last game I several times posted stupid thing all the time which resulted in me getting misslynched D2(aka I was townie). Before the D1 lynch I was not convinced at all that Veriat was scum. So I wanted to apear good townie in not voting for him as 95% of D1 lynches end in a misslynch. After Veriats flip I understood that my I understood that my Vote on Aces would look rather suspicious so I decided to ignore the Veriat-case for quite some time in order to avoid suspicion. When I posted my case before the night post I wanted to underline the fact that I was unable to change my vote, which of course wasn't true.


Because I'm scum or because I don't remember things. you choose!

Was just a really something I wrote in panic-mode, trying to throw of the suspicion of me. I'm sorry for this!
Mordanis
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States893 Posts
May 04 2012 06:34 GMT
#578
This is rapidly becoming impossible with people arbitrarily leaving, replacements, huge swings of luck, etc.

@ SexDoll
Thanks for coming in, and welcome.

Anyways, my thoughts:
Lazer has only played one game on TL before, and that game he was (mis)lynched on the first day. IDK if that will excuse everything, but for me for this cycle, I see his previous excuse post as valid.

There has been little talk of Nreekay. There has been little talk from Nreekay. I'm suspicious of him, but I'll still hold on to my reasoning about him. Definitely worth looking into if things don't work as we'd like them to.

Golden/Sex Doll, I've felt some suspicion for you for quite a while. IDK, there was never really any response to Marv's case, and now its sort of hard to have one person defend another based on simply inheriting the same role.

In short, with still two mafia and 6 town, I'll likely vote Golden because Marv had a pretty decent case and replacements make the game so much more annoying.

Anyways, I've been trying to figure out the implications of mafia voting for/against Veriat, and what mafia would be trying to do right now. I haven't really checked out, I'm just re-evaluating. As I stated earlier (and no hate to the replacements), replacing players makes it nearly impossible to figure out the orientation of the combined player. This has temporarily discouraged me, but I should have a lot more time tomorrow to wade through things.
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The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
May 04 2012 08:50 GMT
#579
On May 04 2012 09:57 SexDoll wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 04:53 Lazermonkey wrote:
Reading through the thread more closely this time.

@AcesAnoka - His posts are just scummier and scummier. Something to add on the case against him are the last posts before he goes to bed. He first is very suspicious about yomi, but when both Golden and Splinter posts some good cases against him he quickly responds with:
On April 28 2012 02:24 AcesAnoka wrote:
##unvote

I haven't thought of it the way you just posted, Yomi.

I need nreekay to explain himself though.

I understand that he needs to go to bed but basically what he does is fleeing from all the allegations by saying '' this case was bad, hope u forget about it till tomorrow''.

@The_Zen_Man Must say that he is acting way to defensive atm. At least if he is in fact a towine. Up untill just an hour ago all he had posted was defensive posts in response to WhySoMuch. He then makes a summary posts which just made me even more puzzled. His conclusions just seem to be way off. The one I was most suprised about was:
On April 28 2012 03:05 The_Zen_Man wrote:
AcesAnoka: You seem suspicous to me. You're first comment was rather strange, but i know you shoulnd't judge someone too much based on what they first wrote. I think it was a good thing you put that pressure vote on yomi, after all it did give a response from him.

It's almost like you didn't read anything but the very first pages. Alot of people, me including, have been thinking that AcecAnoka's behavior was more then just strange. This is NOT only due to his first post but mostly due to the yomi-debate. And I don't understand what you mean with I think it was a good thing you put that pressure vote on yomi, after all it did give a response from him.. The only thing yomi said was what everyone was thinking: that he was just trying to start a discussion.

Now this is alot WIFOM. But it IS possible that AcesAnoka were trying to go for a cheap bandwagon on yomi and when he realized that it all failed utterly he was quick to abandon the ship. His scumbro The_Zen_Man tries to to cover his teammate by giving him a relativelynice review in his summary post.

Imo The_Zen_Man seems like a confused townie tho and not lynch worthy at all atm. AcecAnoka on the other hand seems quite a bit suspicious to me still.


reread a little more of lazermonkey because of that other post I quoted earlier and cus I saw whysomuch voting him and think this post is interesting.

Lazer post is a defence of zen_man with an attack on aces (who I think is a likely towno). It's interesting because both cases are very thin and he has fairly strong opinions in opposite directions on each of them.

If Lazer is a scummo, he's very unlikely to take this position if aces and zenman are both towndawgs. It's too viable for ppl to go either way on both of these ppl for him to take such a hard stance on them if they were both townspeople. Scum will either back off on these ppl to let the townsos make a bad decision, or they will chose the line of reasoning that makes either of them more likely to be scum.

SOOO given my initial reads on lazer and aces, if lazer flips scum, we can probably turbolynch thezenman the next day


Please make a better explanation to why i should be "turbolynched" if lazer flips scum?

Also, try to read all of the thread before forming a opinion.

The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
May 04 2012 08:51 GMT
#580
Won't be able to post much until i get home from school, which is in a few hours.
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