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l10f
United States3241 Posts
Since marv hates grush so much, I doubt they're both scum. It's probably Eiii + one of the two for scum team. I don't think we have a DT on our team, and probably not a medic either.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On May 14 2012 09:24 l10f wrote:
Since marv hates grush so much, I doubt they're both scum. It's probably Eiii + one of the two for scum team. I don't think we have a DT on our team, and probably not a medic either.
You have really no way of qualifying that second sentence. A tracker or DT could easily have shitty results due to flips and modkills, and isn't ready to claim yet. Granted, there have been several NKs none of which have been medicced, but it's also totes possible that N1 the medic just whiffed or medicced someone who was modkilled, and N2 or N3 he could have been mediccing me, a confirmed town player, whereas scum was shooting to hit blues rather than townies.
I once played as a Doctor and didn't save anyone all game due to being roleblocked. We know there are still 2 scum alive, and one of them doesn't have to send in the NK. he could be a roleblocker.
In my eyes, the fact that so many of the flips so far are VTs only drastically increases the chance that the remaining players in the game are power roles.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
That being said, we can't rely on some DT to step forward with awesome results and somehow deliver us to victory, because 1) it's bad play and there may not be a DT and 2) fake claims. scumhunting is always #1
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United Kingdom36156 Posts
l10f, the amount of shit you're full of is remarkable.
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United Kingdom36156 Posts
On May 14 2012 07:22 papapanda wrote:
His reason for calling you out is from various times when you defended people who flipped scum, and I am not sure what to make on that.
As you seem to be infected by his mindset on this, I'd like to clear it up. What have I said about Katina/Kenpachi/Nisani?
1) Katina has an odd posting style
2) ???
3) ???
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While you're here Eiii:
On May 13 2012 18:51 Eiii wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 11:18 PaqMan wrote:
Hot damn that's nice. My FoS on Eiii stands, I really want him to contribute more of his thoughts on NT and I10f. But I feel confident in lynching NT. man this whole situation kind of sucks. It's impossible for me to tell if NT is just playing really really badly (suggesting lynching for information when it's been EXPLICITLY mentioned in this game that that's a horrible idea) on purpose to try to solidify his newb town claim or if he actually just has no clue what he's doing. wifom wifom wifom. weird black-and-white statements like this Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 21:02 Nova_Terra wrote:
If you take a look through Layabouts and Eiii's filters, you will notice that there is a lot of suspicions of Eiii throughout. Eiiis filter comes across to me as defensively oriented, and he has been under suspicion all game. as l10f is going hard on him now, it makes sense to me that if one of them is scum the other is almost certainly innocent, and if one of them is town the other is probably scum.
Also now is not the time to be mislynching me, maybe that was day 2, but not now. that would screw us over are pretty retarded too, but it's the same deal there. obviously I feel l10f is pretty scummy at this point, since he's been attacking me for actions I've done that I can't really see as scummy. Between his overnight shift into pushing me as #1 scum as hard as possible, providing arbitrary lists and calling them 100% objective, then manipulating those lists to try to get people to accept them... I dunno, it feels like he's trying to disrupt and take control of town as much as possible which is pretty sketchy when we're so close to lylo. My late-night snap decision on the subject is that we really, really can't let plays like N_T's stand. If we still had vigs then he should outright be shot instead of lynched, but it looks like we're out of those. voting for NT.
You think he's scum because he thinks your scum?...
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Marv out of everyone left who do you think is the scummiest?
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On May 13 2012 23:09 marvellosity wrote:
Um, we may be misunderstanding Sinensis. You're voting N_T today but you plan to vote papapanda next day cycle, is that what you mean? I read 'tomorrow' in your post as calendar tomorrow, not game cycle tomorrow.
While you're here, what do you think of the cases on l10f?
I meant I was planning to vote Papapanda the next day cycle... but I'm not 100% positive I am sticking with that anymore. He's still one of my top choices, I just need a bit to think about some other people before I commit. I wasn't expecting N_T to flip town.
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I'm sorry for my shitty play the past few days. This was a very hectic weekend for me but I'm picking it back up now.
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l10f
United States3241 Posts
On May 14 2012 09:47 marvellosity wrote:
l10f, the amount of shit you're full of is remarkable.
Taking out all the shit, my point is that we should lynch Eiii next day.
You're with me on that at least, right?
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Ooooh, I think I've caught onto something interesting 
be back in a little bit!
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Someone needs to be properly brought to attention, and so I present Sinensis.
+ Show Spoiler [p1] +On May 07 2012 05:35 Sinensis wrote:
People were quick to agree that layabout was scum, but they are even quicker to agree that Nova_Terra is scum... probably because Nova_Terra is an easy target with his "I don't have time to make posts that aren't scummy" attitude.
I am still probably going to vote layabout today but at the rate things are going, I wouldn't mind hitting Nova_Terra if consolidation needs to happen. Papapanda is a lesser priority right now, but people should still have eyes on him. Umm, anyone notice the contradiction here? "People are even quicker to agree NT is scum because he's an easy target" "I wouldn't mind lynching NT" That just makes Sinensis look so scummy right there. He then gives us this: On May 07 2012 17:49 Sinensis wrote:
I'm going to flip a coin. Heads is layabout, tails is NT:
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Looks like it's Nova_Terra
##vote: Nova_Terra Uhhh, WTF?!?!?! Someone please tell me that I'm not the only one who is bothered by this. Easy way to avoid active scumhunting. Contradictory statements. Lazy.
What I needed to say is already stated in the spoiler, so on to the next ones!
+ Show Spoiler [layabout case] +On May 05 2012 14:14 Sinensis wrote:My suspicious is off grush for now because of D1. I want to talk now about layabout and why I think he's suspicious. Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:43 layabout wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Katina few posts have been critical of the disruptive play at the beginning, and acted to stamp out the bad. On May 03 2012 08:00 Katina wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 07:22 SomethingAwesome wrote:On May 03 2012 07:18 blubbdavid wrote:
Haha, we have two scumslips already.
Maybe you don't know but the role PM's for vanilla townie were sent in normal font. modkill for role PM shit? idk how to answer this without breaking rules.. you are scum... all townies will know this -mattchew You are pretty quick be calling people scum Katina Implies that the "blub scumslip affair" is stupid (it was) by implying that the accusations are rather hastily made (which further implies that they are poorly thought out) On May 03 2012 08:11 Katina wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 08:02 Blazinghand wrote:On May 03 2012 08:00 Katina wrote:On May 03 2012 07:22 SomethingAwesome wrote:On May 03 2012 07:18 blubbdavid wrote:
Haha, we have two scumslips already.
Maybe you don't know but the role PM's for vanilla townie were sent in normal font. modkill for role PM shit? idk how to answer this without breaking rules.. you are scum... all townies will know this -mattchew You are pretty quick be calling people scum Is that your whole contribution to the thread? Please, so overwhelming! Stop contributing so much! I am being sarcastic because this sentence alone that is vaguely, VAGUELY criticizering SA is far less than he has done all game for town. Game just started honey. You are so quick to run to his defense... katina points out that BH is being a big drama queen. On May 03 2012 08:32 Katina wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 08:15 Blazinghand wrote:On May 03 2012 08:14 blubbdavid wrote:
Btw, I sense some kind of BlazingKenpachi party. Didn't work out so great in Aperture Mafia. On May 03 2012 08:11 Katina wrote:On May 03 2012 08:02 Blazinghand wrote:On May 03 2012 08:00 Katina wrote:On May 03 2012 07:22 SomethingAwesome wrote:On May 03 2012 07:18 blubbdavid wrote:
Haha, we have two scumslips already.
Maybe you don't know but the role PM's for vanilla townie were sent in normal font. modkill for role PM shit? idk how to answer this without breaking rules.. you are scum... all townies will know this -mattchew You are pretty quick be calling people scum Is that your whole contribution to the thread? Please, so overwhelming! Stop contributing so much! I am being sarcastic because this sentence alone that is vaguely, VAGUELY criticizering SA is far less than he has done all game for town. Game just started honey. You are so quick to run to his defense... You're still not contributing, and being indirect. You're scum. ##unvote
##vote: Katinacome at me bro Not contributing? The game started a couple hours ago.... There hasn't been time. Indirect? Last I checked I was pretty direct with SA. Katina points out that the game is hours old and that there has not been time to contribute in response to BH's vote on her for not contributing. On May 04 2012 05:05 Katina wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 04:15 grush57 wrote:On May 04 2012 03:39 blubbdavid wrote:
I am still waiting for grush to be useful. But going through his filter in other games, my hopes will be smited.
Palmar looks like a good lynch candidate too, because he 1) isn't townielike, 2) isn't making much sense 3) voted for me without reasoning.
I assume we still have 24h+ for voting? Common atleast my useless posts are funny unlike yours. Plus, you didn't understand the situation of that game I played(I'm the same role this game too). Anyways, I'm not sure what to make of the last 3 pages. It is full of useless posts and spam and Bill Murray didn't even start yet. Several posts saying nothing except that "I'm town, trust me i gotta go.... eat?" (Like this post except im not hungry atm :D) For my reasoning of Katina vote, the game just started and blazinghand was accusing Katina for his scumminess, and I agreed so I voted for him, plus I wanted to get the ball rolling. Granted, I realize now this was a dumbshit move that was scummy,and that is my horrible reasoning for it. If you don't like it, Sorry. I would vote you blubbdavid, but I have enough people witchhunting me now.(And I didn't even rage on ladder how unlucky am I?) Though, I could just filter and quote everything and that would get the job done. I like that. BH throws around empty accusations and you jump right on board with this. Looks like a case of something called "Sheeping" Don't worry, it's curable! BM has been not been his usual posting self lately. He likes to lurk when he is Mafia. He made a few brief posts early on then disappeared into La La land. So that is something to keep an eye on. I don't like the whole idea of all the vote switching that has been going on here. It's not helpful to the town and brings nothing but confusion and chaos to everyone else. I know it's only day one but at least try to have more than one sentence before getting voting happy. Criticises grush for sheeping a baseless vote. Points out how destructive the "lets all vote for no real reason" is and tells the perpetrators to stop. If Katrina does anything suspicious it is the way in which she puts attention on BM. She tells us that he tend to lurk when he is mafia that he posted earlier and is now lurking. He isn't lurking at the moment. Lurking is playing passively, posting infrequently or posting with consistently low content. BM is inactive in this game since these are his only posts: + Show Spoiler +On May 03 2012 06:46 Bill Murray wrote:
I will extend the day and shorten the next night by one hour. Good luck and have fun.
Nobody died yet.
But don't worry.
what On May 03 2012 06:46 Bill Murray wrote:
extended days?!
hurray! Both of which of from the very beginning of the game You spend a lot of time defending Katina, you also say the only way she is suspicious is "the way in which she puts attention on BM." You defend her again here: Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:10 layabout wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Katina has made posts indicative of intelligence. I do not think we should lynch katina. Do other people think that this is BS? On May 05 2012 04:46 SomethingAwesome wrote:
I don't really like layabout much. His inconsistency and lacking response to why his policy lynch is now a good option compared to earlier. The generic first post as pointed out by myself and better pointed out by DoYouHas. If he want to kill us why not vote us instead of steering town towards a werd policy lynch on BM.
(I'm not defending BM. Don't care if he live or die so far)
##Vote Layabout
//Dirk You also ask what other people think of SomethingAwesome's "BS." I think SomethingAwesome might have been onto something honestly. The first thing you said in the entire game was that you were AGAINST policy lynches and that "they are no better this game than they ever were before" Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 08:04 layabout wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
I just want to warn all of the "area 53" guys that policy lynching is no better an option in this game than it ever was before. I know that a few of you are currently feeling like we should place all lurkers and confusing posters into the fire. But the majority of those players will be town and lynching into them is likely to kill (admittedly useless) townies.
We are going to be polite in this game.
We are going to vote at appropriate times.
We are going to act in town's interest's using methods that are simple and explainable.
And we are going to destroy red.
You then completely disregard your own advice not to policy lynch (below) and vote Bill Murry, who Katina was supposedly suspicious for bringing attention to. Also, if you're not even going to follow the advice you posted not to policy lynch... what was the point in posting that in the first place other than to look like you were contributing when you really weren't? Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 07:35 layabout wrote:
BH you are just bitter because you blew your own leg off after you tried to rocket jump with the wrong boots on.
I think killing something awesome could be a good move. If we still have no candidates when i get up then i think we should just lynch BM. So you think killing SomethingAwesome could be a good move, presumably because you think he's scum. But instead of building a case around SomethingAwesome, you decide to vote BM based on meta. Show nested quote +since we still have no real candidate
##vote Bill Murray
reasons:
anti-town when town
anti-town when scum
lurks a lot
when he is active he is disruptive Who are you to decide if there "is no real candidate?" There were plenty of people with plenty of reads at the time. You even repeat this: Then you repeat it again: Show nested quote +Look how few votes the candidate have
Look how weak the cases are
Look how easily the 5 player scumteam could swing the vote
See how unlikely we are to hit mafia
Lynch a player that will be anti town either way.
Vote BillMurray Last thing, there is no such thing as an anti-town town member. If someone is town, just by being alive they are helping town. Killing an "anti-town" town member is still killing a town member. Killing town players because they "aren't useful anyway" or "are anti town" is scum logic.
+ Show Spoiler [papapanda case] +On May 11 2012 12:22 Sinensis wrote:Sorry about that layabout. I would like to talk before night ends about some people I think are getting a free ride, that don't deserve it. I am anticipating focus being on grush and N_T, but there are two others that need some looking at. First I will look at papapanda: Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 10:15 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler +My guess is that grush is semi-lurker and just have been reading/agreeing/sheeping with what information that has/hasnot been posted by you. At first I would've have passed off the blue/green slip from blubbdavid as misreading because I can imagine myself accidentally misreading/mis-pronouncing blue/green. But from his defensive post i have to be a little suspicious. On May 03 2012 07:55 blubbdavid wrote:
One post on D1 doesn't make someone scum. Even if I probably deserve a warning for my stupidity.
Will defend myself tomorrow, it's late here. And if it is even worth it.
And when you vote, please use the proper thread. It is reasonable to vote for blubb if no one else comes out with major slip-ups, and the town has to lynch someone. Otherwise I would sit back and wait for N1 or D2 when more information might be available. Me is hardcore BLU! Went ahead and bolded everything I have a problem with. This is his first post in the whole thread. What is see is a paranoid mess. Papapanda uses a slash every time he says something serious because he wants to make sure he has covered all his bases/been as nonspecific as possible/has chosen the best sounding/most town-like voice possible/see why this is convoluted and a horrible way to express yourself? Your scum team probably told you to cut it out with all the wishy-washy slashes after your first post, and you appear to have listened as this is the only time you talk like that. Also, never while playing town seriously would I ever say I am "hardcore town." You don't need an adjective to describe how town you are unless you aren't town. He was neither, and this question accomplishes nothing. Makes apologetic face. Apologizes. Apologizes again. Claims to be noob. Scummy. Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 12:39 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 03 2012 12:23 Sinensis wrote:
##vote: grush57
I was not expecting to have a vote so early this game with all the people. You better not unvote or else people will think you are just sheeping Blazinghand!I am going to ##vote blubbdavid as a placeholder for now in case I miss the voting deadline tomorrow. Goodnight. After I vote for grush, papapanda decides to call me out... or something... saying I am suspicious of sheeping Blazinghand if I change my vote? Uh, whether I am sheeping Blazinghand or not (I wasn't), what does changing my vote have to do with anything? Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:23 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Blazinghand:
I hate to be stepping into your line of fire, but I didn't find NT's post to be as bad as you make it sound like it is. Actually, I found that many of the points he made was very similar to the ones I tried to make.
I agree with you on "too dumb to be scum" is not an argument at all but I also do not believe grush to be scum, even though he isn't helping much (blubbdavid, I said this in my previous post but this is basically all my thought on grush as of now).
In fact, I share NT's suspicion of sinensis, and I assure you this is not just OMGUS. My original comment was just to get him to further explain his vote because he actually didn't say anything before his second response. I was shocked at what I believe to be an over-defensive reaction, one that might be coming from having something to hide, from sin. Given, he did provide sufficient evidence of reasoning, but he's accusation of me can hardly be called a read(from yourself, blazinghand).
I am still undecided on a vote. I have some gut feelings about a few persons but no evidence to base that off of.
Yeah, I probably wouldn't like stepping into BH's line of fire as scum too.
Lets look at the BM lynch, you didn't support it: Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 06:01 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 05 2012 05:56 grush57 wrote:
We only have an hour left, I have a feeling BM might be modkilled and so will several others, most days end at around 9pm est not 6. Since he will be modkilled anyway, shouldn't we lynch someone else? This question is for everyone voting BM You're against it again: Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 06:05 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 05 2012 05:57 johnnywup wrote:
don't rely on modkills, thats not chivalrous lol. if we want to lynch someone we lynch them, we don't leave it up to chance that they don't post and vote last minute. They would also have to post here to not get modkilled. You want us to use a vote on someone who has less than an hour to post based on his previous reputation. Actually, I am dissatisfied with people that are in more than one game, especially in XIII (and not even some minimafia...etc). Another option is to lynch you, johnnywup, and save you from having to play both games. Against it again: Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 06:08 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
If BM haven't posted, we can assume he hasn't been on the thread.
Now you might say maybe he planned to post last second...
If BM hasn't been on this thread, he would not have known that the voting/posting deadline has been extended by 60 minutes. Therefore he did not intentionally wait until now.
Starting to see a pattern? You're against lynching BM again: Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 06:09 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 05 2012 06:06 Nova_Terra wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 06:00 Mementoss wrote:
I expected to come back to people actually voting, and people posting why they are good votes. I come back to 10 people still haven't voted with an hour left, and everyone in the thread just posted one liners about names out of a hat who to vote, without any reasoning at all. This is like a Hey look at me, im active and useful and shame on you all for doing wrong! I apologize for saying I want to lynch you for being in two games. What I meant to say is I want to lynch you for trying to waste D1 vote on someone who will die anyways. But wait, what now? Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 06:12 papapanda wrote:
You're right, I'm wrong again><
Ok, I will be open to lynching BM-_- Apologizes, apologetic face, suddenly BM is a good lynch? Once BM flipped town, you explained for vote for him... but not the sudden switch: Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 13:06 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Yeah, mafia is going to hit SlOosh real hard, as he is 2/2, calling out both sinani and katina. I believe the lynching of BM was orchestrated by the red. The plan for red might have been to target veterans who are slightly inactive. As we can see, Katina passively pushed for lynching of BM.On May 04 2012 05:05 Katina wrote:
BM has been not been his usual posting self lately. He likes to lurk when he is Mafia. He made a few brief posts early on then disappeared into La La land. So that is something to keep an eye on. Keeping this is mind, I would like to bring up marvellosity. 1. His first few post was to bring Palmer into attention. No, he didn't vote for him, but just bringing him up and possibly started a bandwagon is good enough. 2. He gives his read on NT, saying he "looks the scummiest" but then votes for BM(yes, I voted BM too, I will explain my change of heart if it isn't clear enough-_-), claiming same reason as layabout. His willingness to switch sides so fast is a little scummy. 3. He defends Katina by basically saying she has odd posting style. By association, this also is a little suspicious and him adding on saying that DoYouHas nailed it actually made it sound even worst for me. I would like to conclude by saying that this was pieced together AFTER I assumed he was red. I would like to ask others to help me analyse marvellosity from the point of view of blue. Basically: FoS on marvellosity HERE IS WHERE IT GETS INTERESTING; so you believe mafia lynched BM because they had a plan for lynching veterans who are slightly inactive, i.e. easy targets? I know I saw something like this in the thread the day before, let me see if I can find it again: Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 22:31 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 03 2012 21:46 blubbdavid wrote:
papapanda, unable to even graps that he has a bit more time than just one day, ready to sacrifice me although there are better options like grush.
Till now, I have have defended myself better than grush, but papanda is willing to forgive grush for his action because he could be a semi-lurker. Like SA pointed out, reading minds for others, especially at such an early stage of the game is scummy.
##vote grush57 *Looks hard to find blubbdavid's defense* On May 03 2012 08:11 blubbdavid wrote:
The confusing thing is that in a sense vanilla townies are also blue roles, just without power. I wanted to ask Ken whether he had a powerrole or not.
A 1.2 line defense? Only a little better than grush. Some of us are obviously more seasoned than others. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't I play with you before in my first game? The way I see it is when we have two suspicious guys, I would lynch the more experienced person because there is less possibility that his mistakes are due to the fact that he was careless or ignorant. So the way you see it is that when there are two suspicious guys, lynch the veteran (i.e. Bill Murray)? That doesn't make any sense to me especially since you are a new player here and have no way of knowing who the vets are, not to mention it is not town-like to vote someone just because they are more experienced. I have never heard a town player say "We should lynch HIM because he has MORE experience!"
What do these two "cases" have in common?
#1 Sinensis makes no conclusion in either one of them whatsoever.
#2 They are Post-By-Post cases. In other words they take up a lot of space and make it look like he is contributing. I really dislike these kind of cases because they're easy for scum to look like they're contributing.
#3 All he is doing is narrating each of those posts while making no conclusions of his own. Read #2.
#4 These are Sinensis' ONLY significant posts this whole game.
On May 12 2012 06:01 Sinensis wrote:
I have stuff to say about l10f but I have to go to work right now. Be back in about 6-7 hours. I'm probably going to be voting for l10f if mafia doesn't kill me for wanting to kill l10f.
Please note the bold.
Also; he has yet to say "stuff" about I10f.
On May 13 2012 12:05 Sinensis wrote:
I'm probably voting Papapanda tomorrow. I already have a case posted on him. That plus his most recent post where he wants to lynch for information is plenty enough for a conviction in my mind.
note bold.
On May 13 2012 22:52 Sinensis wrote:
I am voting for N_T because of his garbage filter and because he wants to lynch for information. Papapanda just said he wants to lynch for information and agreed with N_T, the guy I want to lynch, that lynching for information makes sense.
note bold
This goes to show how wishy-washy he's starting to act. This obviously isn't my strongest point but it still needs to be put out there and addressed.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331187&user=45996
Sinensis' filter.
Throughout that entire filter, the majority of his posts consist of asking questions.
He makes scumreads and Fos's in there, but he doesn't actively push them.
His PbP "cases" are long, narrative, and weak. They're filled with useless comments and one-liners that simply narrate the posts and make the case appear lengthy. They make it look like he's contributing. He doesn't make any conclusions.
He isn't actively hunting scum.
He's a definite FoS and when Day comes we seriously need to look into him.
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We also need to start pressuring Froggynoddy more. I haven't looked into him yet and I'm going to bed now but he's definitely someone to look into.
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On May 14 2012 11:24 PaqMan wrote:While you're here Eiii: Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 18:51 Eiii wrote:On May 13 2012 11:18 PaqMan wrote:
Hot damn that's nice. My FoS on Eiii stands, I really want him to contribute more of his thoughts on NT and I10f. But I feel confident in lynching NT. man this whole situation kind of sucks. It's impossible for me to tell if NT is just playing really really badly (suggesting lynching for information when it's been EXPLICITLY mentioned in this game that that's a horrible idea) on purpose to try to solidify his newb town claim or if he actually just has no clue what he's doing. wifom wifom wifom. weird black-and-white statements like this On May 12 2012 21:02 Nova_Terra wrote:
If you take a look through Layabouts and Eiii's filters, you will notice that there is a lot of suspicions of Eiii throughout. Eiiis filter comes across to me as defensively oriented, and he has been under suspicion all game. as l10f is going hard on him now, it makes sense to me that if one of them is scum the other is almost certainly innocent, and if one of them is town the other is probably scum.
Also now is not the time to be mislynching me, maybe that was day 2, but not now. that would screw us over are pretty retarded too, but it's the same deal there. obviously I feel l10f is pretty scummy at this point, since he's been attacking me for actions I've done that I can't really see as scummy. Between his overnight shift into pushing me as #1 scum as hard as possible, providing arbitrary lists and calling them 100% objective, then manipulating those lists to try to get people to accept them... I dunno, it feels like he's trying to disrupt and take control of town as much as possible which is pretty sketchy when we're so close to lylo. My late-night snap decision on the subject is that we really, really can't let plays like N_T's stand. If we still had vigs then he should outright be shot instead of lynched, but it looks like we're out of those. voting for NT. You think he's scum because he thinks your scum?...
My gut reaction is that he's scummy because he's calling out a lot of actions of mine as scummy. I have a hard time agreeing with him, so it feels more to me like he's trying to quickly shift attention onto me using whatever means he has available than him actually scumhunting. My feelings are probably wrong. Sorry, I thought the 'obviously' I threw in at the beginning of that sentence was enough to make it clear what I was trying to convey. I wouldn't have said anything about him if you hadn't asked :s
In my defense, though, it was kind of 3am.
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On l10f:
Mementoss' case spoilered below. The tl;dr is - no scumhunting, dumb statements, bad list, no scumhunting (for emphasis)
+ Show Spoiler +On May 11 2012 22:27 Mementoss wrote:I10f has't even talked about half the people on his list in the whole game. The way that list was contstructed is pretty much a secret other than Eiii being top with grush and Marv. But there is barely any cases about grush and Marv from I10f's filter of 1 page. Since how did froggy become super townie all of a sudden. What the hell has he even done? Please read his filter BH. There is so many ridiculous statements. I'll point out a few. Show nested quote +On April 27 2012 03:32 l10f wrote:
/in if you'll have me, I'll be pretty much free for the next 2 weeks.
Or I could play with Mattchew. I know this isn't much. But for a "townie" being completely free and apparently reading the thread. His filter is 1 pages and lackluster. Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 08:28 l10f wrote:On May 08 2012 06:32 Mementoss wrote:
Also cheers to I10f, Nova_Terra, and Paqman for wasting there votes!
Aka, voting someone who has no chance of getting lynched and not trying to actively push that player, or convince anyone else why they are scum/to vote them. I guess having your vote have no influence on the outcome at all is good for keeping away from a WIFOM vote analysis paper trail. >_> At least I voted for scum.Sorry I missed the deadline to vote, but neither N_T or blubb looked scummier than Eiii to me, so I wouldn't have known which of the two to vote for even if I was here. Especially with that last second switch that makes no sense... There is no way for him to know this. He is distancing himself from the townie lynch here. Never explains why he doesn't find N_T or blubb scummy. I think he has been distancing himself from townie lynches all game actually. No vote day 1. Eiii Day 2. Grush day 3. Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 12:31 l10f wrote:On May 09 2012 07:05 Blazinghand wrote:On May 09 2012 07:03 Nova_Terra wrote:
1. Layabout goes hard on townie Bill Murray, who then is lynched
2. Layabout goes on Townie Blubbdavid who is then lynched
3. Layabout defends Mafia kenpachi, who dies to kurumis fist of modkillery
this shows outcomes that makes layabout seem more scummy Ah, that's interesting, May 9th Nova_Terra! However, I have another player here who disagrees with you. His name is May 7th Nova_Terra! You should argue with him: On May 07 2012 05:29 Nova_Terra wrote:
I dont think that layabout is scum, as 1. i really doubt that scum would push for a town lynch so hard and defend a scum mate who wasnt even active, which scum would know On May 07 2012 02:22 PaqMan wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I don't think laya is scum, and I think scum are trying to subtly push for his lynch. On May 08 2012 11:56 PaqMan wrote:
I'm confident that layabout is scum and I want him lynched tomorrow. 1 day less! Just saying, I don't think N_T is scum. I think a better lynch candidate will be...
marvellosity!He's pretty much attacked every "easy" targets including BM, papa, me, N_T, (a little bit) blubb, and johnny. Protected Kenpachi and Katina, and he gets very defensive even at a one line poke at the side. Including all these quotes would make my post unnecessarily big, but I'm pretty confident on marv being scum. Doesn't ever explain why N_T is not scum. And this tone just seems like he pulled out a random name. Then writes a 2 line reason why. Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 12:32 l10f wrote:
What I mean to say about N_T being scum is, he's been too easy to push on both days, and if I'm right about marv, he jumped onto N_T vote fairly early and didn't switch to blubb. He must have known that they are both town!
I guess that really falls apart if marv flips blue though! Hes been so easy to push that he has been second in line for lynch every day. But never dies. So easy eh? Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 12:34 l10f wrote:
Also, I'm reading this thread often, I just don't post if I don't have anything to add to the discussion. I'm not really good at picking out many scum, but I think I'm pretty good at weighing other people's cases and using them to deduce who the scum is, so I just read all the cases and vote for the person I think is the most scummy. Neither N_T or blubb gave me that feeling last day, so I voted for neither. Again, I don't feel N_T is scum so I'm holding my vote for now. If we don't get a better candidate I'm gonna go with my gut feeling and vote marv. I dont post cases cuz im bad. (using the newb card) I read cases and pick the case that is on a townie. If that is to obvious I just vote for someone random and be the only person voting him. Again WHY do you not think nova is scum. Gut feeling is for scum. It's used when you have no fucking explanation for your actions and are to scared to say scummy shit and get caught. Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 13:45 l10f wrote:On May 11 2012 13:01 Sinensis wrote:
l10f is suspicious too to me but it's more subtle than papapanda. Plus it was layabout's dying wish that some kind of investigation be had of l10f... I just can't think of anything solid right now.
More on this later. Posting his reads on me != wanting me to be investigated. You can, if you want, but you won't find anything because I'm town. At least, I haven't done anything that would make anyone think I'm scum.Anyway, it looks like I was right all along, scum is in Eiii/marv/grush. Eiii most likely. This is a bit late from early game to be saying "Im town" for no reason. Hes not even suspected here. But I think its the third time in the thread where he throws in a "Im town" for good measures. Or a face to make people like him -_______________________- Also the second part is so so so scummy. I haven't done anything to make anyone think im scum. What. So your purposely not doing anything and being safe so you don't look scummy? At least you have done that? You haven't done anything. And again how do you know your right, that scum is in Eiii/marv/grush good thing you gave three options, for an out when one of them flips town. I already explained why the list is scummy. Also BH made some good points on why the list is awful. If I10f is scum, he strategically placed people that are most likely to die tonight (mementoss, BH) and strategically placed his scum buddy around 4-7 after a couple mislynches so town would lose in the MLYL. N_T I10f scum team.
A post I made on him spoilered below. tl;dr - bad list, blatant contradiction in list and scum leading mislynches, pointing out he's not a crazy like grush.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 12 2012 05:43 marvellosity wrote:
At the moment his case, though, is superceded by l10f's. What distinguishes l10f and grush is that l10f actually seems pretty capable of logical thought - his posts are arrogant and dismissive, as opposed to grush's headless chicken/ostrich approach. Mementoss, your whole case on him is pretty sound. The list is just all kinds of bad, pushed at us like it's '100% objective' and not his opinion. The fact that he's basically claiming the list is truth when he never makes any attempt to back anything up is really scummy. I also go back to the contradiction I pointed out in my last post. He has Eiii and me as #1 and #2 for lynching, but also explains 'scum have led the mislynches we've had so far'. This statement and his list can't both be accurate, so he's been caught in his own lie.
The strange case of Eiii being main scumread, not at all scumread, and main scumread again (and ofc no real case made) spoilered below:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 13 2012 11:03 marvellosity wrote:However, digging through his (lacklustre) filter, I found something else I want to bring people's attention to. Firstly, I'm just gonna spoiler his two posts that constitute his 'case' against Eiii. + Show Spoiler +On May 07 2012 05:30 l10f wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 04:23 Eiii wrote:
l10f just jumps on the layabout train and posts a bunch of stuff that're basically exact copies of cases others have made before him (specifically Sinensis). Memetoss hasn't really changed much in my book-- it's worth noting that he copies sinensis' layabout case as well, though that seems less like a pretending-to-contribute thing and more like a jumping-on-the-bandwagon thing since his posts otherwise seem significant enough. For now, I don't want to lynch him anymore because yesterday's flips made some people look really bad (aka layabout).
On david vs panda: I dunno. Both have been pretty inconsequential this game from my perspective, so they'd be better to shoot if anything.
So anyway, I'm going to vote for layabout. All the other accusations are good, but one thing most people are missing is that if we had lynched BM and the modkills hadn't happened, we'd be completely lost right now. Lynching a lurker who had done almost literally nothing because he 'might hurt town' gives us zero information. We'd all still be running around in the chaos of day one on day two if kat/206 hadn't fucked up. Between that and the kat defense, I'm throwing my vote on him. If lay flips red then marvel is worth looking at just because of being so associated with both layabout and kat day one. OMG THESE BANDWAGONERS SUCK --> joins layabout bandwagon wat Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 04:55 Eiii wrote:
Since you're so interested in what my plan is if you flip green: I'll probably say 'darn' and apologize for voting for the wrong person. And you'll be dead. I'm willing to take that chance, though!
I like my chances better on you than layabout! And if you're green, darn, sorry! ##vote: Eiii On May 07 2012 08:10 l10f wrote:
His post just seems so scummy. he just points out some people looking like scum because they jumped on "bandwagons", then pretty much says yeah these people all look scummy, blah blah BUT I VOTE LAYABOUT. Then he proceeds to use information that layabout already made clear to attack layabout, when if he had actually read layabout's posts it would be clear that nothing happened so far condemns him nowhere near how he's posting right now.
But what's this? Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 15:55 l10f wrote:
Also I forgot to mention, before night 2 actions I was originally going to say marv + paqman are scum team together but with Kenpachi flipping scum I'm just not sure about paqman anymore. They've agreed with each other most of the way so I thought they looked suspicious together. Now I'm just down to marv. What does everyone else think about this possibility? Marv and Paqman now, except not Paqman, just marv. Where the hell has Eiii gone in this reckoning? The post clearly states before Kenpachi flipped scum, me and paqman were his choice of scumteam, but with the flip were no longer. Eiii just completely disappeared from this read and it was just me. He then revives Eiii as his fucking number 1 scumread somehow. Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 05:25 l10f wrote:On May 10 2012 01:17 Eiii wrote:On May 10 2012 01:13 l10f wrote:On May 09 2012 20:27 marvellosity wrote:On May 09 2012 12:34 l10f wrote:
Also, I'm reading this thread often, I just don't post if I don't have anything to add to the discussion. I'm not really good at picking out many scum, but I think I'm pretty good at weighing other people's cases and using them to deduce who the scum is, so I just read all the cases and vote for the person I think is the most scummy. Neither N_T or blubb gave me that feeling last day, so I voted for neither. Again, I don't feel N_T is scum so I'm holding my vote for now. If we don't get a better candidate I'm gonna go with my gut feeling and vote marv. Also here you completely forgo mentioning layabout. Apparently you have nothing to say on one of the main lynch candidates. Good catch, I didn't mention layabout because I already said I had doubts about his being mafia on day 2. I guess I should have clarified that my view on him didn't change. Now do you have anything else to day except nitpicking at my post? But you voted for me on day 2  Because you looked like an obvious scum then. You and marv #1 scum team? Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 13:45 l10f wrote:
Anyway, it looks like I was right all along, scum is in Eiii/marv/grush. Eiii most likely. Basically it seems to have gone from Eiii to marv, to marv and Paqman, back to marv, back to Eiii. With pretty much no explanation in the middle. No scumhunting. No cases. Pushing and being suspicious of various people in various orders with no consistencies. Also re-read my quoted post on him above where I lay out the contradiction in his list and how he views the scum and mislynches. This guy is scummy as hell.
Lastly I would like to add his continual attempts to paint himself as totally objective, correct, the one who should be listened to without question.
On May 11 2012 13:45 l10f wrote:
You can, if you want, but you won't find anything because I'm town. At least, I haven't done anything that would make anyone think I'm scum.
For some reason, totally confident in his own actions, painting himself as town. Except of course town scumhunts.
On May 11 2012 13:53 l10f wrote:
Here's a 100% objective view of the situation. 1 is most likely scum 11 is most likely town.
1. Eiii
2. marvellosity
3. grush57
4. papapanda
5. PaqMan
6. Nova_Terra
7. Sinensis
8. l10f
9. Mementoss
10. froggynoddy
11. Blazinghand
Let's just lynch in this order and win?
Bold is mine. l10f is trying to paint him as Mr Objective. But with no basis to do so other than he says so.
On May 14 2012 09:21 l10f wrote:
Also, just putting it out there.
People I've accused: layabout, Eiii, grush, marvellosity
People I've defended: layabout, blubbdavid, Nova_Terra
People marv accused: BM, l10f, layabout, Nova_Terra, johnnywup, grush
People marv defended: Sinensis, blubbdavid, Katina, Kenpachi
I think everyone feels safer going with my intuition over his ^___^
Putting aside the remarkable bias in this list (I will address it in full later, if needs be), it's the bold I'm drawing attention to. Again, this 'clearly you should be listening to me' kind of statement.
These quotes are all 'you should be listening to me guys. Clearly and obviously. I am the one to listen to.' The problem is there's never anything to back it up. He talks about 'intuition' - everyone of course uses intuition to scumhunt. In my case, I will use intuition to help find someone I think is scum, and then I will go and examine that player, and I will present a case backed up with evidence. That way, if people agree with me they can vote with me, if not they will not - easy. l10f on the other hand just goes "trust me guyz, coz I'm right, coz I say so!" ...
Summary on l10f: doesn't scumhunt, bad list with inherent lie explaining it, an insiduous manner of trying to paint himself as someone to be listened to, and doesn't scumhunt.
To Paqman, BlazingHand, and anyone else reading - I want l10f lynched tomorrow. Please explain to me if you don't agree with what I've put forth, and if you have a different case, please explain to me why it's stronger than this.
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EBWOP: oops, forgot the last part of the 'trying to paint himself as the one to be listened to' bit:
On May 14 2012 11:45 l10f wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2012 09:47 marvellosity wrote:
l10f, the amount of shit you're full of is remarkable. Taking out all the shit, my point is that we should lynch Eiii next day. You're with me on that at least, right?
Two things - firstly, he obviously doesn't read my posts at all. What makes him think I favour Eiii over himself? The second thing is the continuation of my point above. "You're with me on that at least, right?" - again, this insidious 'you should be agreeing with me' style.
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@PaqMan:
1. I voted both N_T and layabout when it was time for their lynch. Flipping a coin between the two was my way of deciding which to try and lynch FIRST.
2. In both those cases, the ones on papapanda and l10f, I concluded that bother were suspicious. Maybe you missed the multitude of times I called each scum/mafia. Also, did you seriously just scold me for posting reads? Why am I being called out for posting reads?
3. You accuse me of narrating. It helps me to narrate from a person's perspective to gain insights on what I would do in their situation, to check and see if they have similar motivations as me.
Someone who says: "We should lynch someone in order to gain information on who to lynch next."
DOES NOT HAVE THE SAME MOTIVATIONS AS ME. (referring to N_T and papapanda)
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*2. In both those cases, the ones on papapanda and l10f, I concluded that *both were suspicious. Maybe you missed the multitude of times I called each scum/mafia. Also, did you seriously just scold me for posting reads? Why am I being called out for posting reads?
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Also, papapanda, don't you EVER accuse me of making my posts intentionally long winded after I spend 20+ on each lengthy one trying to shorten it with millions of spoiler tags.
Next time I want a long post, I'll save this thread the convenience.
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