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Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
May 15 2012 10:01 GMT
#1421
On May 15 2012 14:01 PaqMan wrote:
Eiii: why do you think I10f is scummier than Sinensis?

Marv I hope you respond to my questions tomorrow!


Sin doesn't seem to have an agenda. l10f, on the other hand, has suddenly appeared in the last two days and is trying to get people to vote his way mostly by beating people into submission with his posts-- presenting an 'objective' list and backing it up with posts like this:

On May 12 2012 01:35 l10f wrote:
The mafia is winning. We haven't had a single good lynch and I'm sure they've led the mislynches we had so far. We've had no sign of DT or medic. We still don't have a single solid scumread on anyone. If we keep arguing about if its A or B, the scumteam will just tip the balance towards their victory every day. We as town need to consolidate our vote so 2 votes won't affect anything.


On May 12 2012 06:05 l10f wrote:
Sorry for making the list and telling scum who to target guys.

/sarcasm

Anyone who doesn't think Eiii is scum is out of their mind.

##vote: Eiii


Seems to me like he's trying really hard to be influential without producing a lot of solid content.
:3
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 15 2012 14:31 GMT
#1422
On May 15 2012 09:44 PaqMan wrote:
Now Marvel I'd like it if you read my two posts on Sinensis + Show Spoiler [seen hurr] +
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331187&currentpage=70#1393

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331187&currentpage=71#1405
and tell me your thoughts on him. What is your read on him? What do you agree and disagree with in my points against him?


+ Show Spoiler [p1] +
On May 07 2012 05:35 Sinensis wrote:
People were quick to agree that layabout was scum, but they are even quicker to agree that Nova_Terra is scum... probably because Nova_Terra is an easy target with his "I don't have time to make posts that aren't scummy" attitude.

I am still probably going to vote layabout today but at the rate things are going, I wouldn't mind hitting Nova_Terra if consolidation needs to happen. Papapanda is a lesser priority right now, but people should still have eyes on him.


Umm, anyone notice the contradiction here?
"People are even quicker to agree NT is scum because he's an easy target"
"I wouldn't mind lynching NT"

That just makes Sinensis look so scummy right there.

He then gives us this:

On May 07 2012 17:49 Sinensis wrote:
I'm going to flip a coin. Heads is layabout, tails is NT:
.
..
...
Looks like it's Nova_Terra
##vote: Nova_Terra

Uhhh, WTF?!?!?!

Someone please tell me that I'm not the only one who is bothered by this.

Easy way to avoid active scumhunting. Contradictory statements. Lazy.


You miss out in your quotemarks 'if consolidation needs to happen'. A pretty important disclaimer imo. To the flipping a coin thing. Pretty stupid, I agree. But necessarily alignment indicative? It could be a stupid town play or a stupid scum play. What's the scum motivation for openly in a thread going "gonna flip a coin derp"?

Regarding his cases. I agree that he could be more definitive in them. His narrating style doesn't push anything, but you can at least see what he's saying by the narrative - 'this is a contradiction / this doesn't make sense" even if he doesn't explicitly say so.

To the third part of your case, I agree he's been wishy-washy recently.

In your 2nd link, you reiterate in bold the bit about the long posts with no content. Again, I feel like you can see where he's coming from even though he isn't explicit enough for your taste.

My overall read on Sinensis isn't that far from null.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I would invite you to compare motivations with Sinensis to l10f. For example, l10f pushing his list with nothing to back it up, on the basis of it being "100% objective". How is this not worse than Sinensis not being completely definitive in his cases?

Or where I point out the massive contradiction in l10f's scum list and the fact he said that scum are controlling the mislynches (bear in mind this was pre-Nova flip). l10f's response to this was that I was "bending his words". Except I wasn't, it was a simple fact of a) his list and b) his assertion that scum led mislynches did not match-up in any way. Trying to make out I was twisting his words to make him look bad, when, demonstrably, I did nothing of the sort.

Also in general conjunction with the list, and as pointed out in my previous post on him, the fact that l10f is trying to paint himself as someone that should be listened to, a trick Sinensis isn't trying to pull off. Trying to discredit me with another bad 'intuition' list - but of course providing nothing concrete why we should be listening to his intuition.

Sinensis at least honestly tried to defend himself against you (even if you disagree with him), l10f doesn't even bother.

Basically I see ulterior/insidious motives from l10f that I don't get from Sinensis.


[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 15 2012 14:37 GMT
#1423
On May 15 2012 18:13 froggynoddy wrote:

I still don't understand how Grush is still alive and unfortunately I still think he's on my strongest scum reads, in this town he has played exactly how to play scum... i.e. don't contribute lest someone attacks you and let town disintegrate (as it has). As I have been the only one (since Laya's death) to be onto him, me alone is not a threat and therefore no need to contribute (if scum), if town there is always a need to contribute.


Yeah, I mentioned this before, and the mind boggles. Even since it was pointed out to grush, he has done nothing. grush has the same apparent sins as other lurkers (lack of scumhunting), but this fact elevates him to my #2 read.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 15 2012 17:01 GMT
#1424
Hmmm... I want to see what Paqman says re l10f being scummier than sinensis. Also I'd rather people let the suspect defend himself unless we are closer to lynch time, in which case if you think a mislynch is going to happen by all means argue against a case. I'd just want Sinensis to repond to the pressure himself (thus hopefully giving us more information). Same goes for everyone who has a case on them.

That being said I am unconvinced regarding l10F. I think we are making too much of a mountain over a molehill regarding l10F's 'list'. As Marv pointed out regarding Sinensis, it seems dumb, be it as townie or scum.
'better still, a satisfied man'
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 15 2012 17:14 GMT
#1425
On May 16 2012 02:01 froggynoddy wrote:
Hmmm... I want to see what Paqman says re l10f being scummier than sinensis. Also I'd rather people let the suspect defend himself unless we are closer to lynch time, in which case if you think a mislynch is going to happen by all means argue against a case. I'd just want Sinensis to repond to the pressure himself (thus hopefully giving us more information). Same goes for everyone who has a case on them.

That being said I am unconvinced regarding l10F. I think we are making too much of a mountain over a molehill regarding l10F's 'list'. As Marv pointed out regarding Sinensis, it seems dumb, be it as townie or scum.


The fact he made the list is only a fraction of the whole case...
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 15 2012 17:43 GMT
#1426
On May 16 2012 02:14 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2012 02:01 froggynoddy wrote:
Hmmm... I want to see what Paqman says re l10f being scummier than sinensis. Also I'd rather people let the suspect defend himself unless we are closer to lynch time, in which case if you think a mislynch is going to happen by all means argue against a case. I'd just want Sinensis to repond to the pressure himself (thus hopefully giving us more information). Same goes for everyone who has a case on them.

That being said I am unconvinced regarding l10F. I think we are making too much of a mountain over a molehill regarding l10F's 'list'. As Marv pointed out regarding Sinensis, it seems dumb, be it as townie or scum.


The fact he made the list is only a fraction of the whole case...


I know, it just seems to be recurring constantly and I don't think its indicative of alignment, I'd like to hear from themselves though. (Sinensis and l10F that is)
'better still, a satisfied man'
froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 15 2012 17:48 GMT
#1427
EBWOP: I still think Grush is most likely scum. Hence why I'm not really taking a stand on either l10F or Sinensis. I will have a look between the other two as I seem to yet again be the only one who just doesn't understand why Grush isn't dead yet (unless he's scum *cough*).
'better still, a satisfied man'
l10f *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3241 Posts
May 15 2012 19:58 GMT
#1428
On May 15 2012 09:02 marvellosity wrote:
l10f - then make a consolidated case on him


I would but you can't make something out of nothing.

Why don't everyone go read his filter, the only thing substantial he's done all game is make an OMGUS case on me, and jumping on layabout bandwagon right after he accused me of jumping on it. Oh and don't forget the be afk for a long time then vote blubb, "blubb convinced me".

I'll put some quotes that are just.. gold.


On May 06 2012 03:21 Eiii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 00:38 slOosh wrote:
Eiii I want you to post more now if you can please.


Hi there! I don't really like posting or having big discussions at night, but it seems like the rest of town doesn't feel the same way.

Well, this gets my one-post-per-cycle requirement out of the way, at least. See you in a few hours!



On May 07 2012 04:55 Eiii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2012 04:40 layabout wrote:
So anyway, I'm going to vote for layabout. All the other accusations are good, but one thing most people are missing is that if we had lynched BM and the modkills hadn't happened, we'd be completely lost right now. Lynching a lurker who had done almost literally nothing because he 'might hurt town' gives us zero information. We'd all still be running around in the chaos of day one on day two if kat/206 hadn't fucked up. Between that and the kat defense, I'm throwing my vote on him. If lay flips red then marvel is worth looking at just because of being so associated with both layabout and kat day one.


Eiii, are you saying that we shouldn't lynch players that lurk because we gain very little information?

You are aware of the fact that in the last 24 hours there have been about 100 posts from the 18 players still alive?
And that half of the thread are lurking?
And that both of the scum players that flipped were lurkers?


zzzzz

We should *kill* the lurkers by some means. We have ways of killing that isn't a lynch! Ideally we'd shoot all the lurkers and lynch people who took scummy positions. Maximum information (which is a good thing, no matter how you spin it)! That's not always possible, though-- but to lynch a lurker day one when we had a handful of lynch candidates actually puts the town behind. Really, ask yourself. If BM had been the only death day one, where would we be right now?

Show nested quote +
On May 07 2012 04:40 layabout wrote:
You are reiterating a weak point ("kat defence") and saying that you should lynch me for the sake of "information". The link between myself and marvellosity that you are trying to create is weak. You fail to say what to do when i flip town. I cannot think of a worse reason to vote for me.


What? No, I don't think you should be lynched for information at all. You should be lynched for pushing BM day one, which accomplished nothing, together with your questionable defense of kat when it wasn't clear that he'd be modkilled, like several other people have pointed out before me. The part about marvel isn't an accusation, just an observation that'll come into play if you flip red.

Since you're so interested in what my plan is if you flip green: I'll probably say 'darn' and apologize for voting for the wrong person. And you'll be dead. I'm willing to take that chance, though!


So we should kill him since he lurks right?

On May 08 2012 05:59 Eiii wrote:
In my experience, when people blow up under pressure like this, they're usually scum :s



On May 13 2012 18:51 Eiii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2012 11:18 PaqMan wrote:
Hot damn that's nice. My FoS on Eiii stands, I really want him to contribute more of his thoughts on NT and I10f. But I feel confident in lynching NT.


man this whole situation kind of sucks. It's impossible for me to tell if NT is just playing really really badly (suggesting lynching for information when it's been EXPLICITLY mentioned in this game that that's a horrible idea) on purpose to try to solidify his newb town claim or if he actually just has no clue what he's doing. wifom wifom wifom. weird black-and-white statements like this
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On May 12 2012 21:02 Nova_Terra wrote:
If you take a look through Layabouts and Eiii's filters, you will notice that there is a lot of suspicions of Eiii throughout. Eiiis filter comes across to me as defensively oriented, and he has been under suspicion all game. as l10f is going hard on him now, it makes sense to me that if one of them is scum the other is almost certainly innocent, and if one of them is town the other is probably scum.
Also now is not the time to be mislynching me, maybe that was day 2, but not now. that would screw us over

are pretty retarded too, but it's the same deal there.

obviously I feel l10f is pretty scummy at this point, since he's been attacking me for actions I've done that I can't really see as scummy. Between his overnight shift into pushing me as #1 scum as hard as possible, providing arbitrary lists and calling them 100% objective, then manipulating those lists to try to get people to accept them... I dunno, it feels like he's trying to disrupt and take control of town as much as possible which is pretty sketchy when we're so close to lylo.

My late-night snap decision on the subject is that we really, really can't let plays like N_T's stand. If we still had vigs then he should outright be shot instead of lynched, but it looks like we're out of those. voting for NT.


Completely false, I wonder if he even reads this thread.

On May 15 2012 19:01 Eiii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2012 14:01 PaqMan wrote:
Eiii: why do you think I10f is scummier than Sinensis?

Marv I hope you respond to my questions tomorrow!


Sin doesn't seem to have an agenda. l10f, on the other hand, has suddenly appeared in the last two days and is trying to get people to vote his way mostly by beating people into submission with his posts-- presenting an 'objective' list and backing it up with posts like this:

Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 01:35 l10f wrote:
The mafia is winning. We haven't had a single good lynch and I'm sure they've led the mislynches we had so far. We've had no sign of DT or medic. We still don't have a single solid scumread on anyone. If we keep arguing about if its A or B, the scumteam will just tip the balance towards their victory every day. We as town need to consolidate our vote so 2 votes won't affect anything.


Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 06:05 l10f wrote:
Sorry for making the list and telling scum who to target guys.

/sarcasm

Anyone who doesn't think Eiii is scum is out of their mind.

##vote: Eiii


Seems to me like he's trying really hard to be influential without producing a lot of solid content.


I'm sorry, town has an agenda of lynching scum. The last line sounds a lot like someone I know.

I reaaally don't understand how this guy hasn't been lynched yet. Someone besides marv please explain to me. For the third time, ##vote: Eiii
Writer
l10f *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3241 Posts
May 15 2012 20:00 GMT
#1429
Also we should consolidate our votes. With 4 candidates, grush me eiii sinensis, it's most likely that scum can just lynch town with their two votes. Let's eliminate one or two and focus on two people to lynch.
Writer
Sinensis
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2513 Posts
May 15 2012 20:25 GMT
#1430
I don't have anything to say to the pressure unless anyone has specific questions. They finally got BlazingHand. I don't know who to vote honestly.

I could go for either Papapanda or l10f just because I have a feeling. Though now that I think about it grush has been alive for an awfully long time considering he claimed blue so early, also probably the weakest filter left.

Be back after work in 6 hours.
papapanda
Profile Joined April 2010
Taiwan326 Posts
May 15 2012 20:25 GMT
#1431
Sinensis:

+ Show Spoiler +
On May 14 2012 11:40 Sinensis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2012 23:09 marvellosity wrote:
Um, we may be misunderstanding Sinensis. You're voting N_T today but you plan to vote papapanda next day cycle, is that what you mean? I read 'tomorrow' in your post as calendar tomorrow, not game cycle tomorrow.

While you're here, what do you think of the cases on l10f?


I meant I was planning to vote Papapanda the next day cycle... but I'm not 100% positive I am sticking with that anymore. He's still one of my top choices, I just need a bit to think about some other people before I commit. I wasn't expecting N_T to flip town.


1. I would like to clarify once again that I didn't actually want to lynch N_T for information. I wrote it to show N_T how his logic can be applied on himself.
2. Can I ask which people you are thinking about?


Marvellosity:

+ Show Spoiler +
On May 15 2012 23:31 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2012 09:44 PaqMan wrote:
Now Marvel I'd like it if you read my two posts on Sinensis + Show Spoiler [seen hurr] +
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331187&currentpage=70#1393

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331187&currentpage=71#1405
and tell me your thoughts on him. What is your read on him? What do you agree and disagree with in my points against him?


+ Show Spoiler [p1] +
On May 07 2012 05:35 Sinensis wrote:
People were quick to agree that layabout was scum, but they are even quicker to agree that Nova_Terra is scum... probably because Nova_Terra is an easy target with his "I don't have time to make posts that aren't scummy" attitude.

I am still probably going to vote layabout today but at the rate things are going, I wouldn't mind hitting Nova_Terra if consolidation needs to happen. Papapanda is a lesser priority right now, but people should still have eyes on him.


Umm, anyone notice the contradiction here?
"People are even quicker to agree NT is scum because he's an easy target"
"I wouldn't mind lynching NT"

That just makes Sinensis look so scummy right there.

He then gives us this:

On May 07 2012 17:49 Sinensis wrote:
I'm going to flip a coin. Heads is layabout, tails is NT:
.
..
...
Looks like it's Nova_Terra
##vote: Nova_Terra

Uhhh, WTF?!?!?!

Someone please tell me that I'm not the only one who is bothered by this.

Easy way to avoid active scumhunting. Contradictory statements. Lazy.


I miss out am your quotemarks 'if consolidation needs to happen'. A pretty important doctor imo. Who the flipping a coin thing. Pretty stupid, should agree. I necessarily save indicative? It could be a stupid tonight play or a stupid scum play. Give the me motivation for openly in three thread options "gonna flip a coin derp"?

Regarding his cases. Paqman agree that he could be more knows in too. His narrating style doesn't push anything, but you can at least see what he's saying by the narrative - 'this is a contradiction / this doesn't make sense" even if he doesn't explicitly say so.

To the third part of your case, I agree he's been wishy-washy recently.

In your 2nd link, you reiterate in bold the bit about the long posts with no content. Again, I feel like you can see where he's coming from even though he isn't explicit enough for your taste.

My overall read on Sinensis isn't that far from null.


This is the top half of your post on Sinensis. Beside l10f, who is your next scummiest read?


Paqman:

+ Show Spoiler +
On May 15 2012 09:40 PaqMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2012 08:15 marvellosity wrote:
On May 15 2012 08:04 PaqMan wrote:
If no one else thinks Sinensis is scummy then I have no problem supporting an I10f lynch. Day has just started so I want to see everyone else's opinions.


After reading my case, do you think Sinensis is scummier? If so, what is it that tips the balance for you?


Yeah I'm more confident in Sinensis being scum than I.
His two content-less PbP cases am which he hardly makes a doctor. He doesn't push his scumreads. Who contradicts himself in a horrible way (and didn't even address it when I brought it up). He's should recently become wishy-washy now that I two consistent heal (layabout and NT) are tonight. Give me most-recent three: + Show Spoiler +
On May 15 2012 03:24 Sinensis wrote:
Next time I want a long post, I'll save this thread the convenience.


I call him out on purposely trying to fluff up his cases, and he tells me that he's going to purposely play anti-town and not contribute.


basically, all the options listed in Marvellosity FoS and knows too his defense.


This is your reply to Marvel's question. Like marvel said, sinensis doesn't seem to have an agenda for what he is doing so far, but l10f seem to be more oriented. Can you address this point?



Everyone else:

If no one makes any action, by the looks of it, we are going to lose. I believe we are 1 lynch away from LYLO. IMO scum will try hard to focus down one or two guys for lynch. To counter this, I encourage everyone to read over everyone's filter.

Opposite of what l10f is saying, I do not agree with focusing on two people.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 15 2012 21:05 GMT
#1432
On May 16 2012 05:25 papapanda wrote:

Marvellosity:

+ Show Spoiler +
On May 15 2012 23:31 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2012 09:44 PaqMan wrote:
Now Marvel I'd like it if you read my two posts on Sinensis + Show Spoiler [seen hurr] +
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331187&currentpage=70#1393

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331187&currentpage=71#1405
and tell me your thoughts on him. What is your read on him? What do you agree and disagree with in my points against him?


+ Show Spoiler [p1] +
On May 07 2012 05:35 Sinensis wrote:
People were quick to agree that layabout was scum, but they are even quicker to agree that Nova_Terra is scum... probably because Nova_Terra is an easy target with his "I don't have time to make posts that aren't scummy" attitude.

I am still probably going to vote layabout today but at the rate things are going, I wouldn't mind hitting Nova_Terra if consolidation needs to happen. Papapanda is a lesser priority right now, but people should still have eyes on him.


Umm, anyone notice the contradiction here?
"People are even quicker to agree NT is scum because he's an easy target"
"I wouldn't mind lynching NT"

That just makes Sinensis look so scummy right there.

He then gives us this:

On May 07 2012 17:49 Sinensis wrote:
I'm going to flip a coin. Heads is layabout, tails is NT:
.
..
...
Looks like it's Nova_Terra
##vote: Nova_Terra

Uhhh, WTF?!?!?!

Someone please tell me that I'm not the only one who is bothered by this.

Easy way to avoid active scumhunting. Contradictory statements. Lazy.


I miss out am your quotemarks 'if consolidation needs to happen'. A pretty important doctor imo. Who the flipping a coin thing. Pretty stupid, should agree. I necessarily save indicative? It could be a stupid tonight play or a stupid scum play. Give the me motivation for openly in three thread options "gonna flip a coin derp"?

Regarding his cases. Paqman agree that he could be more knows in too. His narrating style doesn't push anything, but you can at least see what he's saying by the narrative - 'this is a contradiction / this doesn't make sense" even if he doesn't explicitly say so.

To the third part of your case, I agree he's been wishy-washy recently.

In your 2nd link, you reiterate in bold the bit about the long posts with no content. Again, I feel like you can see where he's coming from even though he isn't explicit enough for your taste.

My overall read on Sinensis isn't that far from null.


This is the top half of your post on Sinensis. Beside l10f, who is your next scummiest read?

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

If no one makes any action, by the looks of it, we are going to lose. I believe we are 1 lynch away from LYLO. IMO scum will try hard to focus down one or two guys for lynch. To counter this, I encourage everyone to read over everyone's filter.

Opposite of what l10f is saying, I do not agree with focusing on two people.


papapanda: it pains me slightly to have to quote something on the same page as your post, but here goes:

On May 15 2012 23:37 marvellosity wrote:
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On May 15 2012 18:13 froggynoddy wrote:

I still don't understand how Grush is still alive and unfortunately I still think he's on my strongest scum reads, in this town he has played exactly how to play scum... i.e. don't contribute lest someone attacks you and let town disintegrate (as it has). As I have been the only one (since Laya's death) to be onto him, me alone is not a threat and therefore no need to contribute (if scum), if town there is always a need to contribute.


Yeah, I mentioned this before, and the mind boggles. Even since it was pointed out to grush, he has done nothing. grush has the same apparent sins as other lurkers (lack of scumhunting), but this fact elevates him to my #2 read.


For the sake of completeness - grush has failed to scumhunt. As froggy mentioned in the post spoilered above, and also me elsewhere in my filter, grush admitted he only posted when there was a case against him. Further to this, even though this has been pointed out to him, he still outright refuses to contribute in any way. A question for you papapanda: what has grush done that is any way pro-town in, say, the last 3 day/night cycles?

To the 2nd half of your post, about reads and such. For once I defend what l10f is saying here, and I don't think what you're saying and what he is saying are mutually exclusive. Your point is:

1) we should be vigilant in reading everyone's filters and make sure we scumhunt thoroughly and don't let anyone off. Anyone should agree with this.

His is:

2) at the deadline, if there are 4 or so people up for lynch, scum can easily control who gets lynched because the votes will be spread so thin, so as deadline approaches we should consolidate. I also think there's not much to argue with here.

1) your point and 2) his point live together quite ok.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 15 2012 21:53 GMT
#1433
EBWOP: papapanda, who is your strongest scum-read at the moment then? I looked through your filter after analysing your last post again, and it seems you have been suspicious of grush before.

Is it still him, or do you have other reads?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
papapanda
Profile Joined April 2010
Taiwan326 Posts
May 16 2012 00:29 GMT
#1434
Marvellosity:
Like Eiii said, grush hasn't been helpful to town the whole game. Grush made absurd calls, omgus everyone, and at first seemed to know one too many facts. He's been missing the rest of his calls after I told him though lol.
Grush was always scummy, but that might just be the quality of a bad townie. WIFOM: Grush is actually mafia and is playing like a noob town.

IMO Sinensis plays like a slightly better grush

I am thinking about l10f right now as a lynch candidate.Point one, I think its suspicious that he lurked through early game and emerges with the list/becomes more active. An actual lurker will play like Grush, but l10f lurks to stay off radar first few days and pops up only after we want to take out lurkers because mafia has an easy time hiding among them. I feel like this might be around the time when previous lurking mafia starts to pop up, since bandwagoning will draw too much attention now.

My second point is the fact that he wants to narrow the lynch candidates right now, with 24 hours to go at the time of his post(exactly! wow!). If we focus on 2 lynch candidate, that will be where most of our attention is shifted to. The two candidate will (most likely, unless its grush...) try to defend themselves and the rest of us will try to nippick at them, and less time on looking for the actual mafia. Am I wrong in saying this marv? Even if I am, I think the first point alone is enough for me right now.


EBWOP for my post above marv.:

My question for you, paqman, is because I didn't see your response to that point(having an agenda?), which I thought was important part of marv's argument.
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
May 16 2012 02:13 GMT
#1435
@Papapanda
On May 16 2012 05:25 papapanda wrote:
Paqman:

+ Show Spoiler +
On May 15 2012 09:40 PaqMan wrote:
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On May 15 2012 08:15 marvellosity wrote:
On May 15 2012 08:04 PaqMan wrote:
If no one else thinks Sinensis is scummy then I have no problem supporting an I10f lynch. Day has just started so I want to see everyone else's opinions.


After reading my case, do you think Sinensis is scummier? If so, what is it that tips the balance for you?


Yeah I'm more confident in Sinensis being scum than I.
His two content-less PbP cases am which he hardly makes a doctor. He doesn't push his scumreads. Who contradicts himself in a horrible way (and didn't even address it when I brought it up). He's should recently become wishy-washy now that I two consistent heal (layabout and NT) are tonight. Give me most-recent three: + Show Spoiler +
On May 15 2012 03:24 Sinensis wrote:
Next time I want a long post, I'll save this thread the convenience.


I call him out on purposely trying to fluff up his cases, and he tells me that he's going to purposely play anti-town and not contribute.


basically, all the options listed in Marvellosity FoS and knows too his defense.


This is your reply to Marvel's question. Like marvel said, sinensis doesn't seem to have an agenda for what he is doing so far, but l10f seem to be more oriented. Can you address this point?


He's managed to stay off of everyone's radar, appears to contribute, and when called out threatens to purposely play anti-town.

basically he's just sitting back letting town kill themselves. That's a pretty good scum agenda.

On May 16 2012 05:25 Sinensis wrote:
I don't have anything to say to the pressure unless anyone has specific questions. They finally got BlazingHand. I don't know who to vote honestly.

I could go for either Papapanda or l10f just because I have a feeling. Though now that I think about it grush has been alive for an awfully long time considering he claimed blue so early, also probably the weakest filter left.

Be back after work in 6 hours.


still ignoring the contradictions I pointed out, still ignoring the wishy-washyness.


I could go for either Papapanda or l10f just because I have a feeling.


Jumping on a wagon.
t(ツ)t
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
May 16 2012 02:16 GMT
#1436
putting my vote down on him now.
t(ツ)t
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
May 16 2012 02:21 GMT
#1437
ebwop: I10f your case against Eiii is weak.
t(ツ)t
Sinensis
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2513 Posts
May 16 2012 03:19 GMT
#1438
Papapanda I have a post on this exact same page that says who I'm thinking about. I am thinking about l10f, you, and grush. Grush only because he's still alive and was the first to claim blue... but that's really all I've got left. My two big picks for scum this game both flipped town and now everyone, grush aside, is starting to look the same to me.

There's no way mafia would have hit some of the people that got hit before grush if he was town. l10f and papapanda are talking too much right now to justify voting them when grush is still around. I'm going to put my vote on grush.

I'm still waiting for PaqMan to ask me questions if he has them, if you want to just vote for me though that's fine too. Your loss.
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
May 16 2012 04:43 GMT
#1439
On May 16 2012 12:19 Sinensis wrote:
Papapanda I have a post on this exact same page that says who I'm thinking about. I am thinking about l10f, you, and grush. Grush only because he's still alive and was the first to claim blue... but that's really all I've got left. My two big picks for scum this game both flipped town and now everyone, grush aside, is starting to look the same to me.

There's no way mafia would have hit some of the people that got hit before grush if he was town. l10f and papapanda are talking too much right now to justify voting them when grush is still around. I'm going to put my vote on grush.

I'm still waiting for PaqMan to ask me questions if he has them, if you want to just vote for me though that's fine too. Your loss.


You obviously haven't been reading my posts. + Show Spoiler +
On May 16 2012 11:13 PaqMan wrote:
@Papapanda
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2012 05:25 papapanda wrote:
Paqman:

+ Show Spoiler +
On May 15 2012 09:40 PaqMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2012 08:15 marvellosity wrote:
On May 15 2012 08:04 PaqMan wrote:
If no one else thinks Sinensis is scummy then I have no problem supporting an I10f lynch. Day has just started so I want to see everyone else's opinions.


After reading my case, do you think Sinensis is scummier? If so, what is it that tips the balance for you?


Yeah I'm more confident in Sinensis being scum than I.
His two content-less PbP cases am which he hardly makes a doctor. He doesn't push his scumreads. Who contradicts himself in a horrible way (and didn't even address it when I brought it up). He's should recently become wishy-washy now that I two consistent heal (layabout and NT) are tonight. Give me most-recent three: + Show Spoiler +
On May 15 2012 03:24 Sinensis wrote:
Next time I want a long post, I'll save this thread the convenience.


I call him out on purposely trying to fluff up his cases, and he tells me that he's going to purposely play anti-town and not contribute.


basically, all the options listed in Marvellosity FoS and knows too his defense.


This is your reply to Marvel's question. Like marvel said, sinensis doesn't seem to have an agenda for what he is doing so far, but l10f seem to be more oriented. Can you address this point?


He's managed to stay off of everyone's radar, appears to contribute, and when called out threatens to purposely play anti-town.

basically he's just sitting back letting town kill themselves. That's a pretty good scum agenda.

Show nested quote +
On May 16 2012 05:25 Sinensis wrote:
I don't have anything to say to the pressure unless anyone has specific questions. They finally got BlazingHand. I don't know who to vote honestly.

I could go for either Papapanda or l10f just because I have a feeling. Though now that I think about it grush has been alive for an awfully long time considering he claimed blue so early, also probably the weakest filter left.

Be back after work in 6 hours.


still ignoring the contradictions I pointed out, still ignoring the wishy-washyness.


Show nested quote +
I could go for either Papapanda or l10f just because I have a feeling.


Jumping on a wagon.

. Every time I quote myself I cry inside.

You haven't addressed your contradiction.
You haven't addressed your wishy-washyness.
You haven't posted "stuff" on I10f like you said you would.
You're not even trying to convince me that you're town and my vote is wrong.
And how exactly is it my loss for voting you?
t(ツ)t
froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 16 2012 06:43 GMT
#1440
I still think Grush is a way better candidate than the other three. If I had to choose between Eiii, Sinensis and l10F
though, Sinensis 'I don't need to defend myself' attitude and giving no reason behind his vote apart from feelings (really? when we ccan basically only afford one more mislynch)

Ok so have got my end of year exam today. I will come back to the thread before lynch to see if people come to their senses and vote Grush. If not I think a Sinensis vote seems best.

##Vote Grush57

FYI: The two non-day 1 cases

layas: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331187&currentpage=57#1135
mine: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331187&currentpage=52#1027

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