EPTAlso the fact that everyone voting for layabout seem to have just disappeared off the face of the earth approaching lynch-time, and he's set to be lynched.
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Also the fact that everyone voting for layabout seem to have just disappeared off the face of the earth approaching lynch-time, and he's set to be lynched. | ||
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On May 11 2012 05:30 Blazinghand wrote: So from what I can tell NT is throwing away his vote on Panda presently. However, Grush has never made a case. The fact that layabout has voted him makes me not want to vote him, but it's possible there's a bus going on. Having examined grush's filter and finding 0 pro-town posting, I am willing to vote grush instead of N_T, but only if there's no chance of getting N_T lynched. Is anyone else around? Yes, I'm around. To the bolded bit - doesn't this imply you'd be happy with a layabout lynch at the moment ? | ||
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On May 11 2012 14:36 Nova_Terra wrote: I kinda like most of that proposal Come on man, you're better than this? Aren't you?! | ||
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On May 11 2012 19:21 Blazinghand wrote: If N_T is scum and we follow that proposal he auto-wins. Indeed, he could at least pretend to be interested in playing the game properly though. It saddens me how many townies must be left that aren't playing for town. Lynching down a list is just awful. "100% objective" - full of bullshit with, as usual for l10f, no reasoning given. Fucking stupid, and he's not the only one. | ||
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On May 11 2012 21:50 Mementoss wrote: Wait,wait,wait,wait what?! Does anyone else not see this. 1 is most likely scum and 11 is most likely town. So he thinks Me, BH, and froggy are more town then HIMSELF. WHEN HE KNOWS HIS OWN ROLE. WTF? If he was actually town he would be 100% confirmed town on his own list. This is a scum slip. If I10F is scum, scum most likely lies between number 4 and number 7. I'm not sure how much of a scum-slip this is, more of a stupid way to try to give legitimacy to his '100% objective' (?!) claim at the top. | ||
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On May 12 2012 01:35 l10f wrote: The mafia is winning. We haven't had a single good lynch and I'm sure they've led the mislynches we had so far. We've had no sign of DT or medic. We still don't have a single solid scumread on anyone. If we keep arguing about if its A or B, the scumteam will just tip the balance towards their victory every day. We as town need to consolidate our vote so 2 votes won't affect anything. So whatever we do, effectively it'll just be a list of scummy people and lynching #1 on that list. I made it easier for us and made one in a completely town point of view. If you think my list sucks, then tell me what we should do, because obviously we're not doing things right. I've bolded the bits that are even more bollocks than the rest. 1) you're sure they've led the mislynches? Eiii hasn't led anything, that's for sure. I've been in favour of a Nova_Terra lynch since night 1/day 2, and layabout led the BM lynch. Ergo, bollocks. 2) we have solid scumreads. tried reading the thread? bollocks. 3) you made it easier for us? a bollocks list based on the complete contradiction of point 1) made in a totally mythical 'completely townie point of view'? Bollocks. | ||
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On May 11 2012 14:36 Nova_Terra wrote: I kinda like most of that proposal Lends his support to a terrible plan based on lynching people with no cases made. Lest we forget, Nova's main read is apparently on papapanda. Which seemingly leads to this afterthought: On May 11 2012 14:36 Nova_Terra wrote: but i would prefer to lynch grush or papa over marv Realises he forgets to mention his main 'scumread'. Just all kinds of bad because he's lending tacit support to lynching Eiii first, for absolutely no discernable reason. On grush: I can't get over where he posted that he saw no reason to post until someone made a case on him. The anti-town sentiment there is just astonishing. So he lurks, doesn't scumhunt (because he doesn't feel the need? seriously, wtf), and only comes out the woodwork to defend himself. The irony is that he doesn't defend himself at all, he just posts crap. I think this guy is pretty scummy. At the moment his case, though, is superceded by l10f's. What distinguishes l10f and grush is that l10f actually seems pretty capable of logical thought - his posts are arrogant and dismissive, as opposed to grush's headless chicken/ostrich approach. Mementoss, your whole case on him is pretty sound. The list is just all kinds of bad, pushed at us like it's '100% objective' and not his opinion. The fact that he's basically claiming the list is truth when he never makes any attempt to back anything up is really scummy. I also go back to the contradiction I pointed out in my last post. He has Eiii and me as #1 and #2 for lynching, but also explains 'scum have led the mislynches we've had so far'. This statement and his list can't both be accurate, so he's been caught in his own lie. | ||
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On May 12 2012 05:49 l10f wrote: + Show Spoiler + On May 12 2012 02:02 Eiii wrote: Didn't you read his 100% objective list?! He's like, 8th. list doesn't lie bro This guy gets away with posts like this and people accuse me for actually trying, lol. On May 12 2012 05:43 marvellosity wrote: Ok, regarding Nova_Terra. He's not really posted anything, except for being even more scummy. Lends his support to a terrible plan based on lynching people with no cases made. Lest we forget, Nova's main read is apparently on papapanda. Which seemingly leads to this afterthought: Realises he forgets to mention his main 'scumread'. Just all kinds of bad because he's lending tacit support to lynching Eiii first, for absolutely no discernable reason. On grush: I can't get over where he posted that he saw no reason to post until someone made a case on him. The anti-town sentiment there is just astonishing. So he lurks, doesn't scumhunt (because he doesn't feel the need? seriously, wtf), and only comes out the woodwork to defend himself. The irony is that he doesn't defend himself at all, he just posts crap. I think this guy is pretty scummy. At the moment his case, though, is superceded by l10f's. What distinguishes l10f and grush is that l10f actually seems pretty capable of logical thought - his posts are arrogant and dismissive, as opposed to grush's headless chicken/ostrich approach. Mementoss, your whole case on him is pretty sound. The list is just all kinds of bad, pushed at us like it's '100% objective' and not his opinion. The fact that he's basically claiming the list is truth when he never makes any attempt to back anything up is really scummy. I also go back to the contradiction I pointed out in my last post. He has Eiii and me as #1 and #2 for lynching, but also explains 'scum have led the mislynches we've had so far'. This statement and his list can't both be accurate, so he's been caught in his own lie. Man, I should have never accused you bro, it seems like anyone who accuses you becomes instant scumread and you do everything you can to bend my words and make me look bad. How about this, we lynch Eiii and if he turns out town then you can do whatever with me. If he flips scum we follow my list. According to some we're in a good situation and we can afford a mislynch to oust an obvious scum like l10f. How did I twist your words? My analysis came directly from your list and a direct quote of yours. It's there for all to see. Eiii: why have you not responded to Paqman? | ||
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Uh huh, he only posts no-nos, can we just lynch him? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On May 11 2012 10:35 PaqMan wrote: + Show Spoiler [laya post1] + On May 07 2012 04:55 Eiii wrote: zzzzz We should *kill* the lurkers by some means. We have ways of killing that isn't a lynch! Ideally we'd shoot all the lurkers and lynch people who took scummy positions. Maximum information (which is a good thing, no matter how you spin it)! That's not always possible, though-- but to lynch a lurker day one when we had a handful of lynch candidates actually puts the town behind. Really, ask yourself. If BM had been the only death day one, where would we be right now? What? No, I don't think you should be lynched for information at all. You should be lynched for pushing BM day one, which accomplished nothing, together with your questionable defense of kat when it wasn't clear that he'd be modkilled, like several other people have pointed out before me. The part about marvel isn't an accusation, just an observation that'll come into play if you flip red. Since you're so interested in what my plan is if you flip green: I'll probably say 'darn' and apologize for voting for the wrong person. And you'll be dead. I'm willing to take that chance, though! + Show Spoiler [laya post2] + On May 07 2012 06:36 Eiii wrote: Hey remember that time I prefaced a statement with 'ideally' and then you freaked the fuck out and took it as an actual defense of lurkers even when I explicitly said right beforehand that we should definitely be killing them? That was great. You're deliberately misinterpreting what I said there. I never came anywhere close to saying we should grant lurkers immunity from being lynched, just that they're always the best option when they can easily be killed off in other ways and we can get more out of our lynch. Plus, lynches aren't the most reliable way to kill people by a long shot. With lynches, we have to deal with mafia influence in arguments and votes. With a vig? He just shoots whoever he wants and that person dies. Seems pretty reliable to me! I refuse to believe you actually think this. Mislynching an active town-- or at least one that tries to defend himself-- has a completely different outcome than lynching a lurker who everyone just kind of agrees is *probably* going to be bad for town so whatever let's kill him. Here's how I see things: Day one is always a chaotic waste of time that usually results in a mislynch or something else equally retarded (e.g. BM lynch). Day two is then mostly driven by analyzing who did what day one and, with the information gained from the day/night deaths, how those actions look. And hey, what do you know, that's almost exactly how this game is going! A good chunk of the talk today has been about Kat/206 and how people connect to them or how they connect to others-- but no one has said a thing about the BM lynch. Because it was useless. Let's pretend that you *actually* read and understood that and aren't just trying to attack me for whatever reason. Lynching you for information isn't even remotely close to lynching you because you're scum, and then looking into the connections that start popping up once you flip red. I want to kill you because you've done scummy things. You started a scummy lynch bandwagon day one and you defended another scum, which is suspicious in ways that have been brought up again and again. So I agree-- let's lynch scum! If only you had that same mantra day one, when you decided that you didn't like where the lynch was going so you just threw a lurker (or 'inactive', whatever) onto the fire, who you had no reason to believe was red. What happened to 'let's lynch scum' then? When you're desperate for a lynch you find the scummiest player and you lynch them, you don't just redirect the lynch onto whoever's convenient. 'Player X is scummy and the best candidate we have for a lynch today-- but let's not lynch them! They're smart! Let's at least wait until later.' ...that's a perfectly reasonable, valid defense to you? ok.  Eiii believed layabout was scum at the time of those posts. He then follows up with this: With his reason being: + Show Spoiler + On May 08 2012 05:59 Eiii wrote: In my experience, when people blow up under pressure like this, they're usually scum :s Why does that bother me? Because he easily dropped his one & only scumread to join the blubb wagon. He had no hesitation with dropping layabout in favor of blubb. His last-minute voteswitch was weird and I don't know what to make of it.FoS. People need to put some attention on him and make him de-lurk. Good D4 lynch. All of my previous fos's were horrible. I will look into NT as a possible lynch and re-evaluate my opinions. The main point from within this post is here: On May 11 2012 10:35 PaqMan wrote: Why does that bother me? Because he easily dropped his one & only scumread to join the blubb wagon. He had no hesitation with dropping layabout in favor of blubb. His last-minute voteswitch was weird and I don't know what to make of it.FoS. Not even really that much of an accusation. Having looked back at it though, Eiii's switch to blubb doesn't look great. Eiii actually makes a couple of pretty extensive posts on layabout with many paragraphs and argument, and then spends a whole sentence going 'k, gonna vote someone else now'. This is worth mentioning because it was practically the only time in the game Eiii bothered to make any extensive posts. This does look scummy. However, he is easily overshadowed by stronger scum prospects. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nova_Terra: For me the mind boggles that BH has moved his vote off him. Nova has suddenly hopped on the Eiii train somehow. On May 12 2012 07:13 Nova_Terra wrote: Cases and posts against Eiii are at least convincing enough to warrant his vote. Therefore, i would like to see how he flips for info. He goes on to quote a bunch of layabout's posts, so these are clearly the convincing enough cases he is referring to (l10f never made a case, Paqman's was a FoS). Nova has taken to sheeping a dead townie. Like "ah, this townie thought this dude was scum, so he has to be a valid target for me!" except we never actually get anything new from Nova except this: On May 13 2012 00:56 Nova_Terra wrote: Doesnt scumhunt, seemed to suggest that lurkers shouldnt be lynched, the fact that dead players say he is scum, defensively oriented This... this is not a case. Remember this? + Show Spoiler + On May 10 2012 04:17 Nova_Terra wrote: Just got back from yet another apple store, looks like im gonna have to take an hour train ride to get to a place where teh iphone can be repaired for around 150$ isnt it wonderful So anyway, as I promised i will be making an effort to do some analysis, i decided to do a bit of filter analysis on papapanda Please read his filter along with this case papapandas filter is surprisingly short. I didnt realize this until i actually went through his filter. Less than 2 pages. Papapanda starts off the game decently, actually. He seems to post some minor analysis on behavior at the beginning of the game in regards to blubb and grush. However, at the same time, i noticed a bit of noncommittal behavior on his thoughts on blubb. "i thought he probably misread, but im still somewhat suspicious" just say you have a neutral read if you're neutral on him. Then he kinda tries to make a very early bandwagon target. I dont like that. Then theres a bunch of 1 liners, with a question that makes it seem like he is contributing. he likes to continually state that he will lynch/unvote blubb, while at the same time saying nothing else about anyone. another thing to note is he puts a "placeholder vote" on blubb in case he cant make the deadline, effectively setting himself up to not be there and not post if he doesnt have to. Then he jumps on the GRUSH BE HELPFUL NOT THIS SHIT "contribution" bandwagon. Now here comes the parts that i think are pretty scummy. This post goes like this SOFT DEFENSE SOFT DEFENSE AGREEMENT AGREEMENT SOFT DEFENSE and fluff. then he says he is totally undecided. come on, really? you can make a post spamming agreement and soft defense, but you cant make a solid read? Next comes a puny case of marvellosity after saying a conspiracy theory about how BM's lynching was orchestrated by scum, which seems mighty convenient coming from someone who soft defended BM and didnt take part in his lynch Then he reposts an idea from layabout and says its "interesting", then agrees again with someone else and sets up a cute little train "marv next after layabout" setting up for future lynch. Goes on to criticize defense again and agains, and now he goes back to a neutral read on blubb. and says that the only reason to think blubb was scum was becuase of his slip day 1 (wait, didnt he say that he thought this wasnt scummy and he could have easily done the same thing?) And some more 1 liners. Later, "i can see why you want to lynch N_T but like N_T said" MORE AGREEMENT, MORE AGREEMENT, NOOOOOOOOOOOOO PUSH SOMETHING OTHER THEN LAYABOUT/MARV MOOOOOOORE Then he seems like hes making a misunderstanding about mementoss on purpose allaround, Agrees a shitton, 1 liners a ton, and tunnels a good bit, soft defends so he can use it later so right now i feel comfortable putting a vote on him ##Vote: papapanda Gone and forgotten. l10f comes out with this superhandy list and hey presto, Nova has an easy bandwagon target to jump on, completely abandoning his previous read. Scummy as fuck. There's something else that caught my eye because it reminded me of something from LIII. On May 12 2012 21:02 Nova_Terra wrote: If you take a look through Layabouts and Eiii's filters, you will notice that there is a lot of suspicions of Eiii throughout. Eiiis filter comes across to me as defensively oriented, and he has been under suspicion all game. as l10f is going hard on him now, it makes sense to me that if one of them is scum the other is almost certainly innocent, and if one of them is town the other is probably scum. Also now is not the time to be mislynching me, maybe that was day 2, but not now. that would screw us over On April 29 2012 09:26 Bill Murray wrote: Nah, you can afford to wait another day, now BM was scum. Both posts are basically just "na, you shouldn't be lynching me *today*. Nova is still scum and we should be lynching him today. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- l10f: I encapsulate my thoughts pretty succinctly on him here: On May 12 2012 05:43 marvellosity wrote: At the moment his case, though, is superceded by l10f's. What distinguishes l10f and grush is that l10f actually seems pretty capable of logical thought - his posts are arrogant and dismissive, as opposed to grush's headless chicken/ostrich approach. Mementoss, your whole case on him is pretty sound. The list is just all kinds of bad, pushed at us like it's '100% objective' and not his opinion. The fact that he's basically claiming the list is truth when he never makes any attempt to back anything up is really scummy. I also go back to the contradiction I pointed out in my last post. He has Eiii and me as #1 and #2 for lynching, but also explains 'scum have led the mislynches we've had so far'. This statement and his list can't both be accurate, so he's been caught in his own lie. However, digging through his (lacklustre) filter, I found something else I want to bring people's attention to. Firstly, I'm just gonna spoiler his two posts that constitute his 'case' against Eiii. + Show Spoiler + On May 07 2012 05:30 l10f wrote: OMG THESE BANDWAGONERS SUCK --> joins layabout bandwagon wat I like my chances better on you than layabout! And if you're green, darn, sorry! ##vote: Eiii + Show Spoiler + On May 07 2012 08:10 l10f wrote: His post just seems so scummy. he just points out some people looking like scum because they jumped on "bandwagons", then pretty much says yeah these people all look scummy, blah blah BUT I VOTE LAYABOUT. Then he proceeds to use information that layabout already made clear to attack layabout, when if he had actually read layabout's posts it would be clear that nothing happened so far condemns him nowhere near how he's posting right now. But what's this? On May 09 2012 15:55 l10f wrote: Also I forgot to mention, before night 2 actions I was originally going to say marv + paqman are scum team together but with Kenpachi flipping scum I'm just not sure about paqman anymore. They've agreed with each other most of the way so I thought they looked suspicious together. Now I'm just down to marv. What does everyone else think about this possibility? Marv and Paqman now, except not Paqman, just marv. Where the hell has Eiii gone in this reckoning? The post clearly states before Kenpachi flipped scum, me and paqman were his choice of scumteam, but with the flip were no longer. Eiii just completely disappeared from this read and it was just me. He then revives Eiii as his fucking number 1 scumread somehow. On May 10 2012 05:25 l10f wrote: Because you looked like an obvious scum then. You and marv #1 scum team? On May 11 2012 13:45 l10f wrote: Anyway, it looks like I was right all along, scum is in Eiii/marv/grush. Eiii most likely. Basically it seems to have gone from Eiii to marv, to marv and Paqman, back to marv, back to Eiii. With pretty much no explanation in the middle. No scumhunting. No cases. Pushing and being suspicious of various people in various orders with no consistencies. Also re-read my quoted post on him above where I lay out the contradiction in his list and how he views the scum and mislynches. This guy is scummy as hell. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To papapanda: I think you're reading Sinensis wrong here. He's basically saying "Nova is scummyscumscumscum, gonna vote for scum until he's lynched'. This does not seem unreasonable to me, please rethink. To BlazingHand: the chances of papapanda being a dumb townie and just saying really stupid things is too high when compared to the lies, inconsistencies, and failure of other players. I do not think papapanda makes a good lynch today. | ||
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On May 13 2012 14:00 papapanda wrote: It just seem to be as a scummy excuse to start the ball rolling for the lynch another towny. (You don't see this marvellosity?) I'm not sure what is so bad about someone looking into a dead townie's suspicions. And while Sinensis' look at l10f was brief, looking at the use of language isn't a bad way to analyse someone's posts. Question back to you, papapanda: did you actually read what I wrote on l10f last page? And Mementoss' case? And do you agree or not, and why for both cases? Sinensis: I don't know how you go from On May 12 2012 12:13 Sinensis wrote: I am sick of seeing scummy, zero effort posts like this from N_T. His posting has been a huge issue in the thread ever since day 1. I am putting l10f and papapanda on the back burner until N_T is dead. -I am going to vote N_T until he is dead- (I WILL BOLD IT SINCE NO ONE LISTENS TO ME NORMALLY) ##vote: Nove_Terra If you flip town I don't know what I believe anymore. On May 12 2012 12:14 Sinensis wrote: EBWOP: The only way I am not voting for N_T is if there is a jester in this game I don't know about. to On May 13 2012 12:05 Sinensis wrote: I'm probably voting Papapanda tomorrow. I already have a case posted on him. That plus his most recent post where he wants to lynch for information is plenty enough for a conviction in my mind. What's up with this? | ||
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