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Macheji
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania103 Posts
April 13 2012 01:14 GMT
#29
/in

Only played 1 game before - Bastard mafia
Macheji
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania103 Posts
April 14 2012 13:49 GMT
#50
Murderers !!!
Macheji
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania103 Posts
April 14 2012 15:44 GMT
#62
I agree with the lurker lynch posts. In my opinon it sounds like a good plan because that will force mafias to come out of hiding and post stuff. Posts that will help our cases in the future.
Macheji
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania103 Posts
April 14 2012 17:07 GMT
#66
As i said before, you do gain something from lyniching or threatening to lynch lurkers. It makes them come out of hiding and gives us material for future cases.
Macheji
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania103 Posts
April 14 2012 23:04 GMT
#76
Nova_terra, what's up with the million vote/unvote posts ?
Macheji
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania103 Posts
April 16 2012 20:56 GMT
#255
Guys sorry for beeing so inactive, my latop broke down 2 days ago ( seems to be a problem with lenovo v570 motherboards because it broke down 2 months after i bought it, and i've read alot of topic in wich people complained about this very problem ). I'll read the chat and make a vote, if i have time maybe i'll also try to make a case agaist someone if i see fit. Sorry again.
Macheji
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania103 Posts
April 16 2012 21:05 GMT
#268
##Unvote: Nova_terra
Macheji
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania103 Posts
April 16 2012 21:06 GMT
#271
GODDAMn hope i'm not to late....... I will be alot more active in the next days . I was reading the posts from before
Macheji
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania103 Posts
April 16 2012 21:06 GMT
#273
##Vote: Nova_terra
Macheji
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania103 Posts
April 16 2012 21:07 GMT
#274
##Vote: Nova_terra
Macheji
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania103 Posts
April 16 2012 21:08 GMT
#279
Goddamit i hate this laptop it's missing keys and i have to use the damn on-screen click with the touch pad thing,
Macheji
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania103 Posts
April 16 2012 21:09 GMT
#282
##Vote: Nova_Terra
Macheji
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania103 Posts
April 16 2012 21:10 GMT
#284
There , finnaly managed to do it with the time pressure and this busted keyboard.... Copy pasting the # , as shift + 3 on this keyboard is £ . I'll be alot more active in the comming day.
Macheji
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania103 Posts
April 16 2012 21:32 GMT
#290
I will, don't worry.
Macheji
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania103 Posts
April 17 2012 00:46 GMT
#301
Fine, i'll post my reasons for the vote. Didn't really want to because the night is comming and the last time i accused somebody at the start of the night i got killed. Here is what i wrote earlier but wanted to keep it to myself until the end of the night
I'll catch up on everything and start making cases. I voted for Terra because in my opionion he seems to be trying to hard. The vote/unvote thing bothered me from the start. The matter of fact is that in the beggining it had a positive effect, but in time that kind of posts only start turning people against eachother. I noticed that at a point almost everybody was accusing eachother for various reasons and the conversation went nowhere. More than this people started forming small groups. And i find this a very unhealthy behavior town-wise. In my opinion this was all caused by Nova_Terra. I don't know if it was on purpose or not, but the effect was negative nonetheless.
More than this, i saw a post in wich he said ( correct me if i'm wrong here, i went thru everything kinda fast ), that in the last game he got killed for beeing to silent as a mafia. Now his behavior is not closer to normal, but it's the exact same opposite. I think he got mafia again and he tries to act compl different expecting a tottaly different reaction from the people.
From what i've noticed, he is not really scum-hunting, he is not thinking on building a case and going after someone that he really belives is mafia, but rather he goes after everybody managing to only create dubt against everybody.
Now, that was the reasoning behind my vote. But now that i've read your case-post i am alot more sure of my vote. If i don't die tonight, i am voting for him again.
Macheji
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania103 Posts
April 18 2012 11:00 GMT
#371
@BlueyD I tought the lynch was in a couple of hours. Because of the tehnical issue i couldn't look into the timing exactly but i knew it was sometime that night, since the ''i'll post a case if i have time''. I had no ideea it was in a couple of minutes.
Macheji
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania103 Posts
April 18 2012 11:18 GMT
#372
Reading everything from the start at the moment. Will post my notes when I'm done.
Macheji
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania103 Posts
April 18 2012 11:59 GMT
#376
Oh man, 9 pages in and i have a full paper of notes. Most of them on Nova_Terra and Lazermonkey.
I saw an obvious connection between the two of them. Share briefly with Pure-Sc2 , but tbh i find Pure-SC2 very ''town'' atm , not sure what that was about ( ganging on solohan w/o any evidence ) . I have to decide if i should make a list with everybody or just post my scum conclusion and post a case vs 1,2 people. What do you guys prefer ?
Macheji
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania103 Posts
April 18 2012 12:10 GMT
#380
The time for voting to put pressure is over. You are creating enough chaos. You are promoting 3 theories, you doubt them in your post and then you propose a lynch ? We need cases, transparency, not chaos. I'm reading and reading and most of the conversations are garbage you stirred up.
Macheji
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania103 Posts
April 18 2012 13:43 GMT
#386
I'm dizzy after the first 10 pages so i'll stop here for the moment. I may come back later today to finish and make a new post. So far. + = town - = mafia
Daymor (+/--)-> In the start he favored both no-lynching / Lynching me. At the moment , lynching me gave no information. So he was ''divided'' between getting no info from a no-lynch to lynching the guy whos death would bring the less info(-). Also, from what i've seen, i've got the impresion he is a very guilable, easily to be impressed person that changes mind-stances often(+/-).
Lorant ( +/--- )-> Gave a good very good town advice in the start ( the journal thing ) +. Proved to be a smurf of fourface that ''likes to do crazy things so town does not think he is mafia'' -> Creates this thing called The Coucil of Four ( crazy thing -- )to rise against Nova_Terra but dosn't really accuse him of anything, this seems a bit dubious , like a false conflict ( - )
Crossfire ( ++ )-> I know now he's dead, bear with me ( did not know the name of the guy that got killed last night when i made this so that i don't get subjective)... Made a post regarding the fact that people , especially blues will have no info if there is a no-lynch , this was a giveaway for me ( ++ )
[b]NovaTerra (++/--------[/b )]> oh man, oh man... .... Ok here we go. Accuses Solohan of appology post -> makes appology post moments later ( --- ). Made alot of accusations w/o arguments(-)(ex vs solohan, therapist ). Spamming, atleast 6 posts in the first 7 pages saying the same thing(-). From page 8, 18:25, when he is beeing accused he start to seem very troubled, he makes post-after-post, very twitchy. He goes crazy about him beeing the most active person. He gets even more crazy when someone mentions him beeing in the same team with Lazer.At first it seemed like an ok reaction, the guy was mad because he was wrongfully accused, but why get even more stirred up when beeing named a teammate of Lazer, that's something kinda specific to be generally mad against. Also, when Oneplus attack him he tells him he is digging his own grave, he was so sure about it, like he had some power the rest of us do not. Also when Oneplus attacks him in one post he says he is not impressed... he's not impressed of what ? When someone innocent is beeing accused of something, does it ever occure to him to say that he is not impressed with the case against him ? I am acc thinking of those real-life gangsters or white-collar criminals that laugh on the tv when they are beeing accused. ( -- ) . In another post he is accusing bandwaggoning when people started voting for him, but he had no problem with people bandwaggoning when there were like 4 voting me for beeing inactive or for 4 more to vote for oneplus when he got killed. ( - ) . He is by far the most frequent poster ( ++ ), but his posts lack any real information ( already rated this ) . Also it's clear in his mind that mafias are people that generaly don't want attention, so he may meta this and try to hide the poop in plain sight. He even says at a point that '' you do not vote for an active thought player for info'' when someone suggested his lynch in order to get information.
Lazermonkey ( ---- ) > Agrees with Nova_Terra on solahan beeing scummy even tho there were 0 arguments Why ? ( - )
Calls therapist scum again w/o evidence
Votes for me -> Side with N_T vs oneplus -> is accused on multiple front of mafiateam with N_T-> says he is conviced oneplus is town -> Votes N_T without revealing to much -> In the end votes oneplus ( --- )
Therapist ++ > I only see i noted that he gave me the impression that he really does not want a misslynch ( ++ )
TheRavensname ( +/- ) > a bit wierd that at page 6 he accuses Nova_Terra of beeing to lynch happy ( +/-). 1 hour later he votes me and Nova_Terra + Lazermonkey ( the ''double'' at that point) soon fallow.
Pure-SC2 ( +++/-- ) At a moment he accused Solahan for beeing a scum, fallowing N_T and LM, when there were no arguments or evidence. THe only thing i noticed about Solahan until that post was that he was a bot noobish at this game. Later on he goes after oneplus because he said N_T and LM are scummy without any arguments/evidence. ( -- ) But, to be honest Pure-SC2 has made alot of valuable posts since then. I found them clear, argumented, transparent and it seemed to me like he added alot to the game ( +++ ) . Still the mark of doubt remains.


Macheji
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania103 Posts
April 18 2012 14:04 GMT
#387
Also this just came to me.... The voting was really close, and a townie died. So there must be mafias among the voters so they manage to incline the vote.( and it does not surprise me N_T and Lazer are there ) Atleast 1 , maybe 2.... Now , the voters were .. Nova_Terra, Therapist, Crossfire, BlueyD, Lazermonkey
Crossfire died... So that leaves us with Nova, Therapist, Blue and Lazer. Now atleast one of these are mafias.
I am inclied to go for either Nova_terra or Lazer.... There is a slight chance Nova_Terra is just jilted by nature and Lazer mafia-sheeped him ... but a slim chance. I am almost sure one of them, or both, are mafia.
Macheji
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania103 Posts
April 19 2012 04:44 GMT
#409
I didn't have a laptop problem when i was in Bastard mafia. I was going on the forums every 2 hours and such so i was able to make clearer cases ( I made a clear case vs the SK and he was killed the next day, too bad he killed me during the night ). This time arround i missed for about 48 hours and had to read alot in a small ammount of time. That's the differance between the 2 games. Once i get on time with everything you'll see the same behavior.
I omitted solohan and BlueyD because my case revolved on the first 10 pages and i just didn't find anything noteworthy ( Solohan's name does come up in my statements against some people, but his posts were just vague and uninteresting , un-noteworthy in my opinion )
WTH Alarm Bell, that's the most ridiculous thing ever... I am either getting close and you're trying to stop me or your statemt is plain stupid. First paragraph is taken out of context... I was pressuming the first sentance to be wrong, so that i put an accent on the second one, to show you that there are two presuptions of innocence (lower chances ). The second parahraph again, it was an imagination exercise, like when you do a math problem and you take the absurd presuption... in case he is innocent , would he act this way. Never did i tell he is innocent... You alarm bell, the backbone to you argumentation, is a taken-out-of-context dressed in another clothes silliness.

So far you have 2 points the Mafia guide states as scum reads -> Guilable vote-changing happy behavior, taking things out of context...

All your arguments are silly, do you even belive in them...

The fear of getting killed... yes, i was afraid to post during night because that's what i've done the last time, and i was right, and i was killed by the SK... Somebody, can't remember who asked me for the info so i've done it.
Then, i asked how would you guys prefer me to do the post. So that i can make it as easy it can be to be read/understood by the rest of the people. So it can offer the best and most clear information.
Yeah, and my scum reads are mostly N_T and Lazer. I still have some other people in mind but they don't come close to this 2... Does it matter other people think of them aswell... I have brought new things to the table and i dare say my case was really transparent.
N_T says i don't give quotes, i tought of doing that but tbh at the ammount of posts he done that would have made my case a fucking book ( considering i make a post about 10 pages )... I will make another one for the next 10 and then i'll be on ''real-time'' 100%.

And also, when i was unable to posts, i saw there were some posts accusing me of lurking. But there was no real danger for me... First time there were 4 guys voting for me, they changed , Oneplus townie died, then people starting talking again, and now you are arguing with eachother , going after solohan and what not... once in a while someone says macheji is lurking, but no big deal... I could have kept on not posting ( this time without a reason ) for quite some time until you ran out of people to flame and lynch for i don't know what bullshit reason ( like your post and oneplus's lynch). What reason would I have to come out of my what seemed a safespot into the what seems a battlefield , only to make a post that gives some info on about 6 people and brings new stuff to the lynch Nova_Terra - Lazermonkey ideea ?

Now, I find your post against me wrong on every level ( except my behavior that really was different from last game, but i think i made the reason clear enough already ) . The things taken out of context jump up the most. Assuptions Assuptions and blown out of proportion quotes... You even tried to find wrong when i was trying to be altruistic and asked the other people how would they prefer i make my cases so that they can be as transparent and easy to understand as possible. Now, you are either extremly paranoid, guillable, naive person , or you are scum ( as defined by 3 points in the mafia guide )
Macheji
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania103 Posts
April 19 2012 04:58 GMT
#410
Also , Daymor, I just noticed , who did you vote for ? Did everybody just missed this ? There was a misstype by the Game Host , Daymor voted for me->Nova_Terra->Oneplus ( to prevent vote swithcing )

If you are town, I think you will continue to be active which is definitly something we need considering the level of lurkers we have in this game.

At this point I think you have contributed enough to spare you from the Day 1 lynch. As I said I haven't had a chance to really look through the last few pages thoroughly.

I still have my suspicions, but for now I might consolidate the vote on oneplus. To prevent any last minute switching.

##Unvote: Nova_Terra
##Vote: oneplus



After oneplus the townie gets lynched he makes a post about The people that voted for Oneplus , naming BlueyD, Nova_Terra, Lazermonkey, Crossfire, even Theraven that switched... He does not inclued himself.+ Show Spoiler +
Before I head to bed I will throw up a quick post from my notes regarding the lynch on Oneplus, bare in mind that these are my notes, hopefully they make sense to you guys as well. NOTE: This has been copied directly from Google Docs, so the formatting might be a bit ugly, I will try clean it up but it's late and I want to go to bed.

ONEPLUS (Townie)
- excuse for poor english
- explanation of odds on random lynching
- wants a town leader
- argument with both @Nova & @Lazer
- kind of OMGUS reaction to @Nova
- thinks that maybe Lazer is bussing Nova
- says Lazer changes his vote too sudden

** Initial post included an excuse for poor english, I really don’t like people posting excuses, especially in their opening posts, sets a bad precedent. But this excuse isn’t really related that much to gameplay so it is slightly more acceptable. Especially considering it appears english is not his primary language.
** Wants a town leader, not a huge fan of that idea, I would prefer everyone to work on their own and contribute to the towns goals as a group rather than relying on 1 figurehead to guide us around like sheep.
** Odds on random lynching, not terribly informative, anyone can do this basic math.
** Argues with @Lazer and @Nova who at that point I had scummy reads on, he does make some sense here and there but it can be hard to read and decipher at times. Forces a reaction out of both @Nova and @Lazer, claiming OMGUS for their pressure votes on him. But @oneplus had pressure votes on him from other players too, yet he only singled out @Nova and @Lazer. Thinks there is a connection between the two. But if you look @Lazer, you can see he has a town read on @Nova (prior to @Pure-SC2’s case), but i don’t know how invested into an argument you would get to protect a modest at best town read, but again that’s WIFOM.
** Thinks that @Lazer might be bussing @Nova, could be possible. States that @Lazer changed his vote too suddenly.

PEOPLE THAT VOTED FOR ONEPLUS

BlueyD
** From his posting history he seems to have a town read on @Nova, he has stated a few times that some of @Nova’s actions push him towards town, ie not worrying about his own safety and accusations and pressure on @Solohan.
** His lynch switch doesn’t raise significant eyebrows either. His vote would have been wasted had he not switched. If he is town he would try protect his town read (@Nova), if mafia almost anything can happen, although I imagine bussing your teammates at this stage would be retarded.

Crossfire99
** Uses the phrase ‘to save @Nova’ rather than to lynch @oneplus. To me that signals that he is leaning town on @Nova, or is at least on the same page as @Nova. @Pure-SC2 thinks they could be scum teammates, definitely a possibility. I basically came to the same conclusion in regards to the lynch so can’t be too critical.
** Should make a point of pressuring him for his point of view, he doesn’t really seem to put his ‘money’ anywhere, almost looks like he will take whatever comes his way. I certainly expect more from him if he is to remove any scum suspicions.

Lazermonkey
** Seems to buddy up to @Nova, maybe he feels @Nova’s activity and pressure voting (which he states he likes) make him a townie read? This is confirmed in his post about switching his vote to Nova. @Pure-SC2 posted a good case on @Nova, which apparently was all the convincing @Lazer needed to switch. Although it’s a rather meek acceptance, slightly defends @Nova while still voting for him. Then finally says something along the lines of ‘if @Nova is townie gotta look @Pure-SC2’, counter-wagon maybe?
** Was convinced @oneplus was bad town (I think during their spat), yet is happy to vote for a bad town as opposed to anyone else. Kind of OMGUS.

Nova_Terra
** Seems to be rushing some posts, I would think that is more a sign of townie-ness being unafraid to post your thoughts immediately without fear. I know when I was Mafia I was careful to review and preview my posts before submitting them. No reason to think other players wouldn’t do the same.
** Didn’t sway from his town read on @oneplus. Only switched his vote as an effort to save himself which makes sense. I like how he sticked with his read on @oneplus, It’s perfectly acceptable to vote for someone else you have a read on to save yourself. Noone is going to lie down and accept a lynch when they don’t need too. He is also clearly more active than @oneplus, so it isn’t a bad idea to keep him around. There should be more than enough posts to analyse his play on.
** After my early suspicions of @Nova, I think he did a decent job of defending himself, he threw in a few posts which were a bit un-necessary (rude, put-downs etc). He was reasonably aggressive on his defense, a few people came in to post messages of support so either a lot of people have town reads on him, or his scum team and a few sheep came in to save him.
** Says he has a town read on @Pure-SC2, I think for almost anyone in the thread he is the most obvious town read. Would be very shocked if he were to flip Mafia at this point, however it is still early. @Nova was probably the easiest target due to his excessive posting. I wouldn’t think someone as Mafia would give a town read on someone who posted a good case on them, but that is simply WIFOM and nothing more at this stage.

Therapist
** Softly defends @Nova, saying that it’s a bandwagon that is forming. There were a reasonble number of people around at the time, if it was truely an easy bandwagon, why did more people not jump on? Several have town reads on @Nova, or at least state as much (@Crossfire & @BlueyD, @Lazer initially also, prior to @Pure-SC2’s case), his soft defense would suggest that he has either a town read on @Nova or is possibly a teammate?
** Doesn’t see a reason to bandwagon @Nova, but is willing to basically bandwagon @oneplus. Seems slightly hypocritical, but it could simply be because he has a town read on @Nova. Need more information.

Although his vote did not end on oneplus I will also include my noted on TheRavensName, because he switched late

TheRavensName
** Seems really indecisive, not contributing much in terms of post quantity or quality
** Early on states he has no issue with @Pure-SC2’s case, then @Pure-SC2’s post about the scumslip convinces him, then when he changes his vote to @Nova he isn’t sure about Pure-SC2 again.
** Throws his suspicions around without really providing any information why, doesn’t provide any reads either.
** Last minute of the oneplus lynch he switches off, this change of vote made absolutely no difference at all to the outcome, did it with 15mins to spare. To me that seems to indicate him trying to distance himself from the lynch target. Does he maybe know something we don’t? Possible, but certainly need more information and activity to determine whether this is the case.

CONCLUSION

I know this is a lot of information to digest and I am not sure how much of it people will agree or disagree with. In case I can't get online prior to the deadline tomorrow here is the link.

Also included in this mess if you have a look at my notes about @Nova_Terra it states in their why I was willing to take my vote off him to an extent. I will also briefly explain again here why I changed.

Nova_Terra has by far posted the most content in the thread so far, that's easy to see. At the time of the vote, I didn't have the time to thoroughly analyse roughly pages 10-14 prior to the lynch deadline. I skimmed through and noticed Nova_Terra had been incredibly active during this time so i chose to spare him so i could read through his posts to see what I thought of him. As you can see from my notes he is slowly erasing my earlier doubts about him. I am not yet willing to 'confirm him town' but he is trending that way.
Then 0 posts during the night, then post about lurkers ( an already super used post )...
Macheji
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania103 Posts
April 19 2012 05:02 GMT
#411
How much untill the deadline ? My head is spinning from staying up all night to study.
Macheji
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania103 Posts
April 19 2012 06:14 GMT
#415
Nova_Terra ... just lol )... Did you even read my post ?

BlueyD did you read my posts ? I think i made myself clear enoguh but it seems you both responded to Daymor's post but not mine .... I am comming now because i have my laptop back... I made a post less than 12 hours ago about various people, and i made a defence post now... So your point is invaild...

Am I really the only one that sees the bullshit Nova_Terra is generally throwing arround ? And i don't really know, maybe is cuz i know i'm town, fact that you guys can't be sure of, but Daymor's post is complete garbage, i practicily nullified every point he made ? But as it seems nobody responded to my post, i'm not even sure anybody read it ( well, atleast L_M and BlueyD )

What do you ( Nova_Terra , BlueyD for the moment, as you are the only guys here ) think of my points on Daymor's accusation, and about how he voted for Oneplus aswell but somehow his vote went under the radar ( also his post on the people that voted for Oneplus that he dosn't include himself in )

Macheji
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania103 Posts
April 19 2012 06:23 GMT
#416
Just to be clear, i gave + for what seemed town ( about 5 posts trying to tell people why we shouldn't lynch ,and i don't know, the way he said it made me belive he really ment it ) and - for what seemed scum... I did not note lurking. If you may, add (--) then to the equation. In his case it was subjective, i agree he's a bit of a lurker but we just started the game, and can't really say a person is lurking because he's been inactive for 1 day. In my opinion maybe the so called lurkers are calculated persons that don't want to throw accusations arround creating more chaos than necesary. In my opinion lurking gets alot of -'s the more days poss.
Macheji
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania103 Posts
April 19 2012 06:44 GMT
#417
And again, i don't know, Nova_Terra says i made a post now that i am beeing attacked... Even tho this is false ( my first post was the reason i was attacked ). Also, he knows about the post, but it's clear he just browsed it, didn't really look what i had to say ( as i explained my inactivity, choice of posts. Then he says i try to keep myself safe, when again, i posted as soon as i had my laptop, even tho i WAS SAFE by beeing inactive... Just think, how many people wanted to vote me when i was inactive, how many people were talking serious about me, and how many do now, WHY would i expose myself to that.... And after this, he says i try to keep myself safe... please ) . He picked on some random stuff he found as fast as he could and threw them out. This behavior may have something to do with the fact i attacked him in the past, or the fact he's hiding something and i seem to be the guy that goes after him the most.

Now, another thing i notice is that every time i look back i see N_T agreeing with somebody, saying they had a good ideea or repeating what they said. In the start the he's spam was about the lurker/get activity thing, after was pure chaos... 7 pages of posts but nothing really great... I mean, 7 pages ? Really.... Other people brought more to the table with 2 pages... Hell, I think even I brought more, and if i didn't i surely will before not too long.

Examples :

Haha. Very very true.could be a coincedence though. we'll see eventually i guess

FF brings up some good points. i'll go through it tomorrow, but right now i have to ask
How the hell did you jump to the conclusion that the reason i was on your ass about the council idea was because you thought pure was scummy?
And yeah, i already noted that i forgot about solohan >.>
also how am i covering pures back like a dog and grunting at anyone that dares to go against him? once again,
Dont make points that describe something in an opinionated manner without at least posting filter to back that up.
and linking to my being on your ass for something totally unrelated doesnt count.

However i am happy that you are going after pure. very very interested in what this brings about, and currently i have a more townie read on you than before.

Very good post by Daymor. I am in full agreement with many of the points. even if he has a laptop problem, meta changes are concerning. Good catch on his scumslips too. One of the most concerning things to me is how he seems to feel the need to try to stay safe. Its as if he is worried to post, which is a scum behavior. also asking people what to do is a very scummy behavior, makes you seem eager to please, and this is comparable to when i did that as scum. His defense is pretty bad, saying things are silly and deciding not to defend much.
Also its not hard at all to post 1 quote showing my "apology post" after i "accused solohan of an apology post".
So therefore Machejis analysis is either pure lazy or trying to show things that arent correct to make a better case.


also i find it interesting that Macheji went from lurking to full on post as soon as he was accused. coincedence is probable, but still something of note.


I want to say right now that pure pretty much said my thoughts right here. These are three out of the 4 players that i find most suspicious right now.
I'll be voting immedietely after deadline so you can see where i stand. assuming i live, of course.


Takes credit for saving someone
Pure, note my word choice when i said i urge a medic or jailkeep to think about protecting you. This is not trying to direct them, this is making sure they know what another townie thinks would be smart so they can add that to their thoughts. ofc if they find me scummy then that will probably be ignored. However, just the thought of a likely protection on you could be enough to keep one of our most pro town players safe, and that was a major purpose of this post.
and it appeas that worked. Bye crossfire
... Crossfire was a cop -_- ... IT WORKED... THANK the gods i somehow ( really ? ) saved Pure and a blue cop died -_-




After my big post he says this
right now in your +/- system i would give myself around ++++/-----. Pluses being most active player by far, posting filter based analysis, and maintaining town meta from previous games (sure it can be WIFOM'ed, but the truth is that is much harder to do as scum). minuses are from not having much content other than defense and defensive analysis, being cynical in responses, on the wrong side of a townie lynch. The other side was still a townie (me) lynch, but seeing as he actually flipped, yeah.
... So you agree parts of your posts are dubious... but you give yourself 4+ because you are active, and you act like you did when you were townie in other games, filter based analysis.. Well ok then, filter based + , Active -> But then you say you don't really have alot of contect ( your words ) so active, but BAD ACTIVE, then you say you keep your meta... Mentaining town meta... That can be taken either way, you either do act like this when you are town, or you just got mafia and you said this will be a good argument sometime.. so in reality this is more like meh... In conclusion you agree with most of the bad things I said about you, you say you are active and then you say you don't do much contect ( then why spam the thread ).... Why should i really belive you are town then when you contradict yourself so blatantly..



P.S. I admit i made a mistake at a point ( the thing about N_T beeing inactive when mafia, scratch that point from my case, I have been proven wrong and i'm sorry about it )
Macheji
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania103 Posts
April 19 2012 06:56 GMT
#418
@BlueyD ... The thing about Therapist was kinda subjective, his posts just gave me the impresion he is really afraid of a myslynch and he was really trying to find a way to avoid it. The lurker part regarding day1 and on i explained earlier.
About crossfire. Ok maybe i wasn't clear enough... When i started the post, i knew somebody was killed, that a blue cop was killed, i knew about the murder, but i did not know the name of the victim... I just did not remember exactly, it's not that i didn't write in the first days, i also didn't read, so i wasn't familiar with the names, so i didn't memorize the name of the victim. I also didn't look while i was making the post because i wanted to go on things in chronological order... After i finished writin, just before posting i looked after the name of the killed person to see if it influences my post in any way... I had a slight satisfaction when i noticed i was right about him... Hope this clears it up for you.
Macheji
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania103 Posts
April 19 2012 07:10 GMT
#419
And considering my last posts were ignored I kindly ask of you guys to check my lasts posts. I belive i made a really good case against N_T and i don't want it to get spammed into oblivion. Also can anyone please tell me when is the deadline ?
Macheji
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania103 Posts
April 19 2012 09:26 GMT
#421
Most of your posts are ''quick'' posts... or '' i am leaving for school '' posts. Can you make 1 post with more than 4 sentences ? Or with new arguments ? Or with new insights ? You have posted 0 analysis so far... Or if you posted 1 or 2, it got lost in the sea of spam you made. The biggest problem i had reading through the thread was managing to be able to fallow conversations between your bullshits of ''vote lurker'' , '' a agree '' , '' just quick post '' , '' i agree'' , '' he sounds scummy'', '' oh you attacked me, well you are a scum then '', '' i agree'', 'quick post i gotta go'' , '' quick post i just got home'' , '' quick post i just took a shit and i think X is scum and i agree with Y ''.... If you don't have time to make a post don't do it... You haven't made this kind of post just now, you've done it numerous time... I stay for 20 minutes to write something and then you come read it in 30 seconds, reply with a lame ass post that bassicly says you do not agree while invoking some weak reasons that i have no problem pointing their flaws out... and your excuse is you didn't have time. It seems i had no problem defending against accusations and making a caseafter i studied pathologic surgery for 6+ hours , haven't slept a night, read thru 10 pages of this thread. You accused and accused me of lurking time and time again... but bassicly you have done the same... but on exatasy... What you did was come every 30 minutes, fast read everything , make a 2 sentece post on how you agree, or disagree with something, or post a fuck lurkers post, and gone.


Considering the numerous posts and the fact i acc am starting to get mad with his responses. I am voting for Nova_Terra
In short ... for spamming, for not contributing with almost anything, for his reaction when Crossfire died, for sheeping and for all the other reasons in my +/- post and in general for creating chaos and making this thread ''foggy'' . Every 3-4 posts i see a N_T post that helps me in abs no way.

##Vote: Nova_Terra
Macheji
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania103 Posts
April 19 2012 09:32 GMT
#422
Also, for more details on my decision please refere to my previous posts, mostly on page 21. I find there abs no reason to quote myself and fill the thread space more than necessary. And i ask you to do the same, we have to clean this place up. You guys may have taken it 1 at a time but i'm telling you, It's extreamly hard to read thru it, something is wierd. I catched up on 8 pages of Bastard Mafia today in about the time i finished 2 here. And they are winning the game. We on the other hand have 0 real persons we are actively seeking as a group. Every 2 pages the target changes w/o there beeing a clear conclusion to the discusion.
Macheji
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania103 Posts
April 19 2012 11:48 GMT
#428
@Daymor... I was talking about the list strictly. Yeah i understand your reasoning. And also your post only made me make the defence post, the rest would have came independent of your action as I was preparing a case against N_T anyway. To be honest, now that i think about it your post acc put things in motion because N_T as he always does sheeped your post and back it up.

Also, i really am keeping to what i said. I agree with Pure-SC2 that i said something that proved to be wrong , like i said N_T acted on a mafia game, but i already admited that in a previous post. My credibility may be affected, i do agree, but credibility only aplies if i'll ever make another post w/o a link/quote etc... But as far as you can see my later ones included the such, and are no longer things you have to trust me , but palpable things, that have no connection to me except the fact i've thrown them in discusion.

As i said before, my lack of activity was really due to the laptop. When i'll get the bill, if i'm allowed, i'll even post a picture so you guys can see i really got it in repair. Also if i didn't use quotes/links in some posts that's because i had to do in 1 day what you guys done in 4. I felt i had to say the things i said about N_T as i read him as scum, in the start it really was a bit rushes but as you can observe with every post i get more and more organized ... the reason beeing i am getting a more clearer view.

I would like to note that the fact my first post was only based on the first 10 pages may be an handicap, but that does not make it true. The backbone were N_T and Lazermonkey accusations, and my future posts will probabably still be about this as i feel there is something fishy with them, and i find the first 10 pages to reflect their future behavior perf... Nothing really changed... even more... in the next 22 i found even more arguments for a N_T lynch, and nothing to really change my mind.
Macheji
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania103 Posts
April 19 2012 11:51 GMT
#429
I would like to note that the fact my first post was only based on the first 10 pages may be an handicap, but that does not make it true
Correction (...) but that does not make it any less true.

Should use preview more.
Macheji
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania103 Posts
April 19 2012 12:01 GMT
#431
Wtf is this discusion about a playlist doing here ? Are you guys mad ?
Macheji
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania103 Posts
April 19 2012 12:07 GMT
#434
hahahahaha....Yeah i know it's just one song, i love that song, i know all the lyrics to it ), i have it on my stick that i listen to in the car... Dunno if your trolling or not but i had no intention to insult you ... I was just pointing that this topic is stupid and it only clouds the thread... You know... wtf blabla as in let's stop this ridiculous conversation . Ok, comic relief over, let's get back to Live Love Lynch.
Macheji
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania103 Posts
April 19 2012 12:28 GMT
#439
For the moment i am kinda set on Nova_Terra... Who knows what the future unfolds. I'm trying and trying to make you guys see he's the best lynch atm... So many clues and arguments... and if even, tho there is a small chance i'm wrong, i'm wrong, we atlest get rid of sheep spammer that added next to nothing in his 7 pages of posts. Just think about it, he made 7 PAGES of posts, out of the 22 we have... So he made 1/3 of the posts here... NOW , DO YOU guys consider that is normal... do you guys consider he gave enough info to justify the usage of 1/3 of the pages here ?
Macheji
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania103 Posts
April 19 2012 12:38 GMT
#441
No. It's too late. Again, 1/3 of the posts here are his, and he is also one of the guys that gave the less information. One flower does not make spring. And also in my eyes he by far the best lynch target... Almost text-book

Also, Pure is not the next guy i have in mind to go after anyway. Now, again, who knows what the future unfolds, but at the moment he's just not that up in my scum-hunting priorities... There are just way to many presumptions for me to start accusing him and i don't understand what's this grudge you have on him. There are cleary other people that look alot more scumy than him that you could go after at the moment. If you can't be sure of anything ( and i dare say we can't really be sure of anything) it's best to use ocam's razor ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor ).
Macheji
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania103 Posts
April 19 2012 13:14 GMT
#445
Yeah Lorant i already stated that about Daymor in my post from page21 @ 13:44
WTH Alarm Bell, that's the most ridiculous thing ever... I am either getting close and you're trying to stop me or your statemt is plain stupid. First paragraph is taken out of context... I was pressuming the first sentance to be wrong, so that i put an accent on the second one, to show you that there are two presuptions of innocence (lower chances ). The second parahraph again, it was an imagination exercise, like when you do a math problem and you take the absurd presuption... in case he is innocent , would he act this way. Never did i tell he is innocent... You alarm bell, the backbone to you argumentation, is a taken-out-of-context dressed in another clothes silliness.

So far you have 2 points the Mafia guide states as scum reads -> Guilable vote-changing happy behavior, taking things out of context...

All your arguments are silly, do you even belive in them...


... He even admited the case was weak
@Pure-SC2 - I agree the case is a bit of a stretch, to the extent that it encouraged Macheji to post I am happy. Macheji is not my strongest scum read, nor do I believe the case was strong enough to lead a lynch, so I do plan on ending the day with my vote on someone else.


That dosn't mean this will be forgotten. If i'll ever have a reason to doubt Daymor in the future, i will, if nobody else will, bring this up in a real case.
Macheji
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania103 Posts
April 19 2012 13:39 GMT
#448
I will not do that. It will not put my N_T case in the background. I already said for the moment i want N_T lynched and that's what i'm going for. I really do think it's for the best in every possible outcome. I do have some suspicions , i have even stated some and the people responded, it sparked conversations. I do not want to go deeper on some people without beeing atlest somewhat sure they are scum and i also do not want to divide the players into 2 different factions. For the moment i consider i said and done enough and will fallow up with trying to get a N_T lynch. This does not mean that if i notice something really scummy i'll keep it to myself, ofc not, but i'll just be carefull with the information. People throw stupid case points way to much and switch from one player to another to fast in my opinion. Most of the cases led nowhere because people hurried to make them w/o really beliving in them , hence the reason most of them got abandoned and forgotten. This only leads to people getting lynched over a post that looks better than others and some heat of the moment-bandwagon. I made my claim, my case, i reinforced and reinforced it and i'm going on with it. Anyway , don't worry, i'll post every tought i have before the night is over so i'm sure that if i die i'll atlest be able to share and get out as much information as i can
Macheji
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania103 Posts
April 19 2012 13:46 GMT
#450
See, that's exactly what i'm talking about Pure-SC2 , that's what we should do... dig into someone and pile up the evidence... In the end they all either fit, or crumble under an absurdity. The thing is I have a similar theory on Lazermonkey and at a moment i tought to go after him. I had a hard time deciding but i tought that N_T seems a bit more scummy, and that per general he is making this game harder for us. He has no reason to still be here and i'm sorry i couldn't be active the first days to be able to protect oneplus wich i didn't find really scummy, but i tought had serious communication problems, and to be able to attack N_T more, as the voting was so close maybe I could have made a differance. But what's done is done.

Btw, third time i ask ,can someone tell me when the deadline is ?
Macheji
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania103 Posts
April 21 2012 01:55 GMT
#602
Yeah this is not going well... I think we can find an answear if we analyze the votes good enough. I'll do that when i wake up ( 5 in the morning here ) . There are deff, mafia amongs the ones that voted for the townies, and i bet there are mafias among the people who's vote did not influence the lynch. My future case will acc revolve arround the people who voted for townies/ people who voted for someone else except the 2 highest voted targets and exactly why they done that... I mean, if alot of people think X is mafia, and vote for him... you should have a damn good reason to be the only guy that voted for someone nobody else tought to vote. There's a case there somewhere , i can feel it .

And btw, goddamn Lazer's play was WEAK. Daymor's aswell , i acc had them both high in my scum list...
Macheji
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania103 Posts
April 22 2012 02:34 GMT
#657
Thank God it ended... I had a sick schedule this last few days and also for the next few days... parties, i was in a fight and i'm cut on my right arm, my left arm hurts from a anti-tetanos shot , my head hurts ,i had to go to the dentist, to the hospital to X-ray my head ... had a hangover most of the days and when i wasn't i was studying for pathologic surgery... Wich i lagged behind and have alot of catch-up to do... Tommorow i restart school and i have to be at the hospital from 8:30 in the morning till 14:00 and then come back home to study.. Go at the dentist again and X-ray my jaw because i have a flawed 3rd molar that may need extraction. I met a girl thursday night and i'll also have to go out with her until the next friday when i'll go to the seaside ( Romanian ''holiday'' that is largely definded but ALOT of parties all over Romania, especialy at the seaside ) and i say have to go because if i'll lag in meeting her again i'll prolly lose my chance... Had to come back here to post something, i hate letting people down... Well, i wasn't a real asset tbh as i was wrong on many of my posts, i wanted to kill the cop :p... but that may have something to do with my general schedule ... Anyway, my next game will prolly be in a month or so , after my big exam... This game really does require a time investment.
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