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I'll catch up on everything and start making cases. I voted for Terra because in my opionion he seems to be trying to hard. The vote/unvote thing bothered me from the start. The matter of fact is that in the beggining it had a positive effect, but in time that kind of posts only start turning people against eachother. I noticed that at a point almost everybody was accusing eachother for various reasons and the conversation went nowhere. More than this people started forming small groups. And i find this a very unhealthy behavior town-wise. In my opinion this was all caused by Nova_Terra. I don't know if it was on purpose or not, but the effect was negative nonetheless. More than this, i saw a post in wich he said ( correct me if i'm wrong here, i went thru everything kinda fast ), that in the last game he got killed for beeing to silent as a mafia. Now his behavior is not closer to normal, but it's the exact same opposite. I think he got mafia again and he tries to act compl different expecting a tottaly different reaction from the people. From what i've noticed, he is not really scum-hunting, he is not thinking on building a case and going after someone that he really belives is mafia, but rather he goes after everybody managing to only create dubt against everybody. Now, that was the reasoning behind my vote. But now that i've read your case-post i am alot more sure of my vote. If i don't die tonight, i am voting for him again. | ||
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I saw an obvious connection between the two of them. Share briefly with Pure-Sc2 , but tbh i find Pure-SC2 very ''town'' atm , not sure what that was about ( ganging on solohan w/o any evidence ) . I have to decide if i should make a list with everybody or just post my scum conclusion and post a case vs 1,2 people. What do you guys prefer ? | ||
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Daymor (+/--)-> In the start he favored both no-lynching / Lynching me. At the moment , lynching me gave no information. So he was ''divided'' between getting no info from a no-lynch to lynching the guy whos death would bring the less info(-). Also, from what i've seen, i've got the impresion he is a very guilable, easily to be impressed person that changes mind-stances often(+/-). Lorant ( +/--- )-> Gave a good very good town advice in the start ( the journal thing ) +. Proved to be a smurf of fourface that ''likes to do crazy things so town does not think he is mafia'' -> Creates this thing called The Coucil of Four ( crazy thing -- )to rise against Nova_Terra but dosn't really accuse him of anything, this seems a bit dubious , like a false conflict ( - ) Crossfire ( ++ )-> I know now he's dead, bear with me ( did not know the name of the guy that got killed last night when i made this so that i don't get subjective)... Made a post regarding the fact that people , especially blues will have no info if there is a no-lynch , this was a giveaway for me ( ++ ) [b]NovaTerra (++/--------[/b )]> oh man, oh man... ![]() Lazermonkey ( ---- ) > Agrees with Nova_Terra on solahan beeing scummy even tho there were 0 arguments Why ? ( - ) Calls therapist scum again w/o evidence Votes for me -> Side with N_T vs oneplus -> is accused on multiple front of mafiateam with N_T-> says he is conviced oneplus is town -> Votes N_T without revealing to much -> In the end votes oneplus ( --- ) Therapist ++ > I only see i noted that he gave me the impression that he really does not want a misslynch ( ++ ) TheRavensname ( +/- ) > a bit wierd that at page 6 he accuses Nova_Terra of beeing to lynch happy ( +/-). 1 hour later he votes me and Nova_Terra + Lazermonkey ( the ''double'' at that point) soon fallow. Pure-SC2 ( +++/-- ) At a moment he accused Solahan for beeing a scum, fallowing N_T and LM, when there were no arguments or evidence. THe only thing i noticed about Solahan until that post was that he was a bot noobish at this game. Later on he goes after oneplus because he said N_T and LM are scummy without any arguments/evidence. ( -- ) But, to be honest Pure-SC2 has made alot of valuable posts since then. I found them clear, argumented, transparent and it seemed to me like he added alot to the game ( +++ ) . Still the mark of doubt remains. | ||
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Crossfire died... So that leaves us with Nova, Therapist, Blue and Lazer. Now atleast one of these are mafias. I am inclied to go for either Nova_terra or Lazer.... There is a slight chance Nova_Terra is just jilted by nature and Lazer mafia-sheeped him ... but a slim chance. I am almost sure one of them, or both, are mafia. | ||
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I omitted solohan and BlueyD because my case revolved on the first 10 pages and i just didn't find anything noteworthy ( Solohan's name does come up in my statements against some people, but his posts were just vague and uninteresting , un-noteworthy in my opinion ) WTH Alarm Bell, that's the most ridiculous thing ever... I am either getting close and you're trying to stop me or your statemt is plain stupid. First paragraph is taken out of context... I was pressuming the first sentance to be wrong, so that i put an accent on the second one, to show you that there are two presuptions of innocence (lower chances ). The second parahraph again, it was an imagination exercise, like when you do a math problem and you take the absurd presuption... in case he is innocent , would he act this way. Never did i tell he is innocent... You alarm bell, the backbone to you argumentation, is a taken-out-of-context dressed in another clothes silliness. So far you have 2 points the Mafia guide states as scum reads -> Guilable vote-changing happy behavior, taking things out of context... All your arguments are silly, do you even belive in them... The fear of getting killed... yes, i was afraid to post during night because that's what i've done the last time, and i was right, and i was killed by the SK... Somebody, can't remember who asked me for the info so i've done it. Then, i asked how would you guys prefer me to do the post. So that i can make it as easy it can be to be read/understood by the rest of the people. So it can offer the best and most clear information. Yeah, and my scum reads are mostly N_T and Lazer. I still have some other people in mind but they don't come close to this 2... Does it matter other people think of them aswell... I have brought new things to the table and i dare say my case was really transparent. N_T says i don't give quotes, i tought of doing that but tbh at the ammount of posts he done that would have made my case a fucking book ( considering i make a post about 10 pages )... I will make another one for the next 10 and then i'll be on ''real-time'' 100%. And also, when i was unable to posts, i saw there were some posts accusing me of lurking. But there was no real danger for me... First time there were 4 guys voting for me, they changed , Oneplus townie died, then people starting talking again, and now you are arguing with eachother , going after solohan and what not... once in a while someone says macheji is lurking, but no big deal... I could have kept on not posting ( this time without a reason ) for quite some time until you ran out of people to flame and lynch for i don't know what bullshit reason ( like your post and oneplus's lynch). What reason would I have to come out of my what seemed a safespot into the what seems a battlefield , only to make a post that gives some info on about 6 people and brings new stuff to the lynch Nova_Terra - Lazermonkey ideea ? Now, I find your post against me wrong on every level ( except my behavior that really was different from last game, but i think i made the reason clear enough already ) . The things taken out of context jump up the most. Assuptions Assuptions and blown out of proportion quotes... You even tried to find wrong when i was trying to be altruistic and asked the other people how would they prefer i make my cases so that they can be as transparent and easy to understand as possible. Now, you are either extremly paranoid, guillable, naive person , or you are scum ( as defined by 3 points in the mafia guide ) | ||
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If you are town, I think you will continue to be active which is definitly something we need considering the level of lurkers we have in this game. At this point I think you have contributed enough to spare you from the Day 1 lynch. As I said I haven't had a chance to really look through the last few pages thoroughly. I still have my suspicions, but for now I might consolidate the vote on oneplus. To prevent any last minute switching. ##Unvote: Nova_Terra ##Vote: oneplus After oneplus the townie gets lynched he makes a post about The people that voted for Oneplus , naming BlueyD, Nova_Terra, Lazermonkey, Crossfire, even Theraven that switched... He does not inclued himself.+ Show Spoiler + Before I head to bed I will throw up a quick post from my notes regarding the lynch on Oneplus, bare in mind that these are my notes, hopefully they make sense to you guys as well. NOTE: This has been copied directly from Google Docs, so the formatting might be a bit ugly, I will try clean it up but it's late and I want to go to bed. ONEPLUS (Townie) - excuse for poor english - explanation of odds on random lynching - wants a town leader - argument with both @Nova & @Lazer - kind of OMGUS reaction to @Nova - thinks that maybe Lazer is bussing Nova - says Lazer changes his vote too sudden ** Initial post included an excuse for poor english, I really don’t like people posting excuses, especially in their opening posts, sets a bad precedent. But this excuse isn’t really related that much to gameplay so it is slightly more acceptable. Especially considering it appears english is not his primary language. ** Wants a town leader, not a huge fan of that idea, I would prefer everyone to work on their own and contribute to the towns goals as a group rather than relying on 1 figurehead to guide us around like sheep. ** Odds on random lynching, not terribly informative, anyone can do this basic math. ** Argues with @Lazer and @Nova who at that point I had scummy reads on, he does make some sense here and there but it can be hard to read and decipher at times. Forces a reaction out of both @Nova and @Lazer, claiming OMGUS for their pressure votes on him. But @oneplus had pressure votes on him from other players too, yet he only singled out @Nova and @Lazer. Thinks there is a connection between the two. But if you look @Lazer, you can see he has a town read on @Nova (prior to @Pure-SC2’s case), but i don’t know how invested into an argument you would get to protect a modest at best town read, but again that’s WIFOM. ** Thinks that @Lazer might be bussing @Nova, could be possible. States that @Lazer changed his vote too suddenly. PEOPLE THAT VOTED FOR ONEPLUS BlueyD ** From his posting history he seems to have a town read on @Nova, he has stated a few times that some of @Nova’s actions push him towards town, ie not worrying about his own safety and accusations and pressure on @Solohan. ** His lynch switch doesn’t raise significant eyebrows either. His vote would have been wasted had he not switched. If he is town he would try protect his town read (@Nova), if mafia almost anything can happen, although I imagine bussing your teammates at this stage would be retarded. Crossfire99 ** Uses the phrase ‘to save @Nova’ rather than to lynch @oneplus. To me that signals that he is leaning town on @Nova, or is at least on the same page as @Nova. @Pure-SC2 thinks they could be scum teammates, definitely a possibility. I basically came to the same conclusion in regards to the lynch so can’t be too critical. ** Should make a point of pressuring him for his point of view, he doesn’t really seem to put his ‘money’ anywhere, almost looks like he will take whatever comes his way. I certainly expect more from him if he is to remove any scum suspicions. Lazermonkey ** Seems to buddy up to @Nova, maybe he feels @Nova’s activity and pressure voting (which he states he likes) make him a townie read? This is confirmed in his post about switching his vote to Nova. @Pure-SC2 posted a good case on @Nova, which apparently was all the convincing @Lazer needed to switch. Although it’s a rather meek acceptance, slightly defends @Nova while still voting for him. Then finally says something along the lines of ‘if @Nova is townie gotta look @Pure-SC2’, counter-wagon maybe? ** Was convinced @oneplus was bad town (I think during their spat), yet is happy to vote for a bad town as opposed to anyone else. Kind of OMGUS. Nova_Terra ** Seems to be rushing some posts, I would think that is more a sign of townie-ness being unafraid to post your thoughts immediately without fear. I know when I was Mafia I was careful to review and preview my posts before submitting them. No reason to think other players wouldn’t do the same. ** Didn’t sway from his town read on @oneplus. Only switched his vote as an effort to save himself which makes sense. I like how he sticked with his read on @oneplus, It’s perfectly acceptable to vote for someone else you have a read on to save yourself. Noone is going to lie down and accept a lynch when they don’t need too. He is also clearly more active than @oneplus, so it isn’t a bad idea to keep him around. There should be more than enough posts to analyse his play on. ** After my early suspicions of @Nova, I think he did a decent job of defending himself, he threw in a few posts which were a bit un-necessary (rude, put-downs etc). He was reasonably aggressive on his defense, a few people came in to post messages of support so either a lot of people have town reads on him, or his scum team and a few sheep came in to save him. ** Says he has a town read on @Pure-SC2, I think for almost anyone in the thread he is the most obvious town read. Would be very shocked if he were to flip Mafia at this point, however it is still early. @Nova was probably the easiest target due to his excessive posting. I wouldn’t think someone as Mafia would give a town read on someone who posted a good case on them, but that is simply WIFOM and nothing more at this stage. Therapist ** Softly defends @Nova, saying that it’s a bandwagon that is forming. There were a reasonble number of people around at the time, if it was truely an easy bandwagon, why did more people not jump on? Several have town reads on @Nova, or at least state as much (@Crossfire & @BlueyD, @Lazer initially also, prior to @Pure-SC2’s case), his soft defense would suggest that he has either a town read on @Nova or is possibly a teammate? ** Doesn’t see a reason to bandwagon @Nova, but is willing to basically bandwagon @oneplus. Seems slightly hypocritical, but it could simply be because he has a town read on @Nova. Need more information. Although his vote did not end on oneplus I will also include my noted on TheRavensName, because he switched late TheRavensName ** Seems really indecisive, not contributing much in terms of post quantity or quality ** Early on states he has no issue with @Pure-SC2’s case, then @Pure-SC2’s post about the scumslip convinces him, then when he changes his vote to @Nova he isn’t sure about Pure-SC2 again. ** Throws his suspicions around without really providing any information why, doesn’t provide any reads either. ** Last minute of the oneplus lynch he switches off, this change of vote made absolutely no difference at all to the outcome, did it with 15mins to spare. To me that seems to indicate him trying to distance himself from the lynch target. Does he maybe know something we don’t? Possible, but certainly need more information and activity to determine whether this is the case. CONCLUSION I know this is a lot of information to digest and I am not sure how much of it people will agree or disagree with. In case I can't get online prior to the deadline tomorrow here is the link. Also included in this mess if you have a look at my notes about @Nova_Terra it states in their why I was willing to take my vote off him to an extent. I will also briefly explain again here why I changed. Nova_Terra has by far posted the most content in the thread so far, that's easy to see. At the time of the vote, I didn't have the time to thoroughly analyse roughly pages 10-14 prior to the lynch deadline. I skimmed through and noticed Nova_Terra had been incredibly active during this time so i chose to spare him so i could read through his posts to see what I thought of him. As you can see from my notes he is slowly erasing my earlier doubts about him. I am not yet willing to 'confirm him town' but he is trending that way. | ||
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![]() BlueyD did you read my posts ? I think i made myself clear enoguh but it seems you both responded to Daymor's post but not mine .... I am comming now because i have my laptop back... I made a post less than 12 hours ago about various people, and i made a defence post now... So your point is invaild... Am I really the only one that sees the bullshit Nova_Terra is generally throwing arround ? And i don't really know, maybe is cuz i know i'm town, fact that you guys can't be sure of, but Daymor's post is complete garbage, i practicily nullified every point he made ? But as it seems nobody responded to my post, i'm not even sure anybody read it ( well, atleast L_M and BlueyD ) What do you ( Nova_Terra , BlueyD for the moment, as you are the only guys here ) think of my points on Daymor's accusation, and about how he voted for Oneplus aswell but somehow his vote went under the radar ( also his post on the people that voted for Oneplus that he dosn't include himself in ) | ||
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Now, another thing i notice is that every time i look back i see N_T agreeing with somebody, saying they had a good ideea or repeating what they said. In the start the he's spam was about the lurker/get activity thing, after was pure chaos... 7 pages of posts but nothing really great... I mean, 7 pages ? Really.... Other people brought more to the table with 2 pages... Hell, I think even I brought more, and if i didn't i surely will before not too long. Examples : Haha. Very very true.could be a coincedence though. we'll see eventually i guess FF brings up some good points. i'll go through it tomorrow, but right now i have to ask How the hell did you jump to the conclusion that the reason i was on your ass about the council idea was because you thought pure was scummy? And yeah, i already noted that i forgot about solohan >.> also how am i covering pures back like a dog and grunting at anyone that dares to go against him? once again, Dont make points that describe something in an opinionated manner without at least posting filter to back that up. and linking to my being on your ass for something totally unrelated doesnt count. However i am happy that you are going after pure. very very interested in what this brings about, and currently i have a more townie read on you than before. Very good post by Daymor. I am in full agreement with many of the points. even if he has a laptop problem, meta changes are concerning. Good catch on his scumslips too. One of the most concerning things to me is how he seems to feel the need to try to stay safe. Its as if he is worried to post, which is a scum behavior. also asking people what to do is a very scummy behavior, makes you seem eager to please, and this is comparable to when i did that as scum. His defense is pretty bad, saying things are silly and deciding not to defend much. Also its not hard at all to post 1 quote showing my "apology post" after i "accused solohan of an apology post". So therefore Machejis analysis is either pure lazy or trying to show things that arent correct to make a better case. also i find it interesting that Macheji went from lurking to full on post as soon as he was accused. coincedence is probable, but still something of note. I want to say right now that pure pretty much said my thoughts right here. These are three out of the 4 players that i find most suspicious right now. I'll be voting immedietely after deadline so you can see where i stand. assuming i live, of course. Takes credit for saving someone Pure, note my word choice when i said i urge a medic or jailkeep to think about protecting you. This is not trying to direct them, this is making sure they know what another townie thinks would be smart so they can add that to their thoughts. ofc if they find me scummy then that will probably be ignored. However, just the thought of a likely protection on you could be enough to keep one of our most pro town players safe, and that was a major purpose of this post. and it appeas that worked. Bye crossfire ... Crossfire was a cop -_- ... IT WORKED... THANK the gods i somehow ( really ? ) saved Pure and a blue cop died -_-After my big post he says this right now in your +/- system i would give myself around ++++/-----. Pluses being most active player by far, posting filter based analysis, and maintaining town meta from previous games (sure it can be WIFOM'ed, but the truth is that is much harder to do as scum). minuses are from not having much content other than defense and defensive analysis, being cynical in responses, on the wrong side of a townie lynch. The other side was still a townie (me) lynch, but seeing as he actually flipped, yeah. ... So you agree parts of your posts are dubious... but you give yourself 4+ because you are active, and you act like you did when you were townie in other games, filter based analysis.. Well ok then, filter based + , Active -> But then you say you don't really have alot of contect ( your words ) so active, but BAD ACTIVE, then you say you keep your meta... Mentaining town meta... That can be taken either way, you either do act like this when you are town, or you just got mafia and you said this will be a good argument sometime.. so in reality this is more like meh... In conclusion you agree with most of the bad things I said about you, you say you are active and then you say you don't do much contect ( then why spam the thread ).... Why should i really belive you are town then when you contradict yourself so blatantly..P.S. I admit i made a mistake at a point ( the thing about N_T beeing inactive when mafia, scratch that point from my case, I have been proven wrong and i'm sorry about it ) | ||
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About crossfire. Ok maybe i wasn't clear enough... When i started the post, i knew somebody was killed, that a blue cop was killed, i knew about the murder, but i did not know the name of the victim... I just did not remember exactly, it's not that i didn't write in the first days, i also didn't read, so i wasn't familiar with the names, so i didn't memorize the name of the victim. I also didn't look while i was making the post because i wanted to go on things in chronological order... After i finished writin, just before posting i looked after the name of the killed person to see if it influences my post in any way... I had a slight satisfaction when i noticed i was right about him... Hope this clears it up for you. | ||
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Considering the numerous posts and the fact i acc am starting to get mad with his responses. I am voting for Nova_Terra In short ... for spamming, for not contributing with almost anything, for his reaction when Crossfire died, for sheeping and for all the other reasons in my +/- post and in general for creating chaos and making this thread ''foggy'' . Every 3-4 posts i see a N_T post that helps me in abs no way. ##Vote: Nova_Terra | ||
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Also, i really am keeping to what i said. I agree with Pure-SC2 that i said something that proved to be wrong , like i said N_T acted on a mafia game, but i already admited that in a previous post. My credibility may be affected, i do agree, but credibility only aplies if i'll ever make another post w/o a link/quote etc... But as far as you can see my later ones included the such, and are no longer things you have to trust me , but palpable things, that have no connection to me except the fact i've thrown them in discusion. As i said before, my lack of activity was really due to the laptop. When i'll get the bill, if i'm allowed, i'll even post a picture so you guys can see i really got it in repair. Also if i didn't use quotes/links in some posts that's because i had to do in 1 day what you guys done in 4. I felt i had to say the things i said about N_T as i read him as scum, in the start it really was a bit rushes but as you can observe with every post i get more and more organized ... the reason beeing i am getting a more clearer view. I would like to note that the fact my first post was only based on the first 10 pages may be an handicap, but that does not make it true. The backbone were N_T and Lazermonkey accusations, and my future posts will probabably still be about this as i feel there is something fishy with them, and i find the first 10 pages to reflect their future behavior perf... Nothing really changed... even more... in the next 22 i found even more arguments for a N_T lynch, and nothing to really change my mind. | ||
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I would like to note that the fact my first post was only based on the first 10 pages may be an handicap, but that does not make it true Correction (...) but that does not make it any less true.Should use preview more. | ||
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Also, Pure is not the next guy i have in mind to go after anyway. Now, again, who knows what the future unfolds, but at the moment he's just not that up in my scum-hunting priorities... There are just way to many presumptions for me to start accusing him and i don't understand what's this grudge you have on him. There are cleary other people that look alot more scumy than him that you could go after at the moment. If you can't be sure of anything ( and i dare say we can't really be sure of anything) it's best to use ocam's razor ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor ). | ||
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WTH Alarm Bell, that's the most ridiculous thing ever... I am either getting close and you're trying to stop me or your statemt is plain stupid. First paragraph is taken out of context... I was pressuming the first sentance to be wrong, so that i put an accent on the second one, to show you that there are two presuptions of innocence (lower chances ). The second parahraph again, it was an imagination exercise, like when you do a math problem and you take the absurd presuption... in case he is innocent , would he act this way. Never did i tell he is innocent... You alarm bell, the backbone to you argumentation, is a taken-out-of-context dressed in another clothes silliness. So far you have 2 points the Mafia guide states as scum reads -> Guilable vote-changing happy behavior, taking things out of context... All your arguments are silly, do you even belive in them... ... He even admited the case was weak @Pure-SC2 - I agree the case is a bit of a stretch, to the extent that it encouraged Macheji to post I am happy. Macheji is not my strongest scum read, nor do I believe the case was strong enough to lead a lynch, so I do plan on ending the day with my vote on someone else. That dosn't mean this will be forgotten. If i'll ever have a reason to doubt Daymor in the future, i will, if nobody else will, bring this up in a real case. | ||
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Btw, third time i ask ,can someone tell me when the deadline is ? | ||
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![]() And btw, goddamn Lazer's play was WEAK. Daymor's aswell , i acc had them both high in my scum list... | ||
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