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Nova_Terra
Switzerland1190 Posts
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Nova_Terra
Switzerland1190 Posts
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Therapist.
United States207 Posts
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Nova_Terra
Switzerland1190 Posts
I find it interesting that most of the bandwagoners disappeared after i defended myself. Still trying to vote me while not making themselves seem susp, i'd guess. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
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Nova_Terra
Switzerland1190 Posts
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Nova_Terra
Switzerland1190 Posts
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
That being said, based on what I've been reading, I think both Nova and Soho are both very suspicious... but I feel as though Nova is more contributing and I do agree with his opinion on that first post. Truthfully I also find Therapist as another suspicious entity. To be honest I have no issue with SC2, nor do I have enough of a real read on others at the moment to kill anyone besides Macheji for lurking. We can judge who to lynch after mafia makes a hit. That tends to thin things out a bit. | ||
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BlueyD
Canada437 Posts
Might be his poor English preventing him from explaining by himself earlier, but I would have liked him to try. Right now we don’t know what he was really thinking when he started pushing. The second language excuse could be entirely true, or it could mostly be convenient. Still he’s active and not particularly scummy, so I’ll take my vote off of him. ##Unvote --- On Nova_Terra : To me he looks like a guy who’s not worrying at all about his own safety, which is more of a town element than a scum element. - I don’t think we can read anything from “Okay, thank god, not mafia :D”. Guy has been scum 2/3 times. Unnecessary but not inconsistent with being town. - Calling Solo scummy with no explanation: Sounds more like a careless townie move than a scum move to me. Scum are paranoid about getting caught and make cases carefully. I think it was stupid to expect Solo to accuse himself and I also think Nova’s case was weak, but it reads more like bad town than scum to me. - Voting behavior: Spammy, but not scummy. His meta can be described as “hyperactive” as both scum and town so he really doesn’t need that voting stuff to help him look active. Done with no consideration of the fact that this might make him suspect. Nova knows how to not be a target (see both games as scum where he lasted to the end), so why isn’t he doing it this time? It could simply be that he’s scum and he’s failing really, really hard this time… or it could be that he’s town and scumhunting, not surviving, is his #1 priority. Not convinced by the case on him. --- ##Vote: TheRavensName Lurker lynch, in the absence of a really good case. Macheji is less active but he doesn’t seem to be here at all... He might be modkilled/replaced. By contrast, TheRavensName has showed up at different times of the day, but only has a bunch of short posts with zero analysis to show for it. | ||
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BlueyD
Canada437 Posts
I'll keep the vote on you for now, though. You posted opinions but not justifications. | ||
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Crossfire99
United States1529 Posts
You are correct that I read up a little after asking my pregame question. Below is a quote from greymist in Newbie Mini Mafia. The bolded and italicized part is what caught my attention. This is why I came out hard against no lynches. On November 13 2011 15:56 GreYMisT wrote: GreYMisT’s Remarks First off, GJ scumteam with your flawless victory! That being said, there were definatly stuff that could be improved on that I noticed from my perspective. Im not going to look at what town could have done to find you guys, but rather how you guys functioned as a team. The Good: Obviously you won the game without losing a single mafia member. So that’s a plus. Ciryandor also managed to become “confirmed town” pretty much based on his activity level and the length of his posts. IMABUNNEH was also on some peoples town list, and despite everyone thinking near the end of the game that he and xsksc were scum, they somehow managed to avoid a lynch. Overall there was pretty good communitcation in the QT, and everyone was able to agree on a general plan. Mafia was also able to force a no lynch day 1, which is pretty kickass. Also, after night one you forced a LOT of discussion regarding the death of risk, which creates so much WIFOM (ie good for mafia). In response to everyone voting for nova, I am not sure if he is mafia. I know that he spammed a lot in the beginning, and it made him suspicious, but I don't think the mafia would be that obvious. He has been the most active in the thread even if he hasn't done it in the best way possible. He has more than 3 pages of posts in his filter, while everyone else has less than 1 (Lorant might be the exception if you include his posts as fourface, but i'm not sure). Even if he hadn't had about 1 page of spam posts in the beginning, his amount of activity would instantly cause everyone to look at his case closely because he has the most information available to make a judgment about him. Everything about this nova lynch seems like a bandwagon. As for my own thoughts on who to lynch; honestly, I don't know who to vote for because as solohan stated in his thoughts on me, I asked what we are supposed to base our day 1 lynch on during the pregame, and I am still not confident in determining who is scum just from day 1 chat. | ||
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
On April 17 2012 02:41 BlueyD wrote: Oh hey, of course TheRavensName posts 2 minutes before I call him inactive and I don't see it in time. XD I'll keep the vote on you for now, though. You posted opinions but not justifications. Its my first game. I apologize. I play mostly the custum map on SC2... rounds last a minute and a half, evidence is not as in depth so I do not know how to express what I feel as well. Give me a little bit of time. I do respect your opinion on that matter however, tips would be helpful. | ||
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
#unvote #vote: Therapist | ||
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Crossfire99
United States1529 Posts
You messed up your voting format. It should be double # and bolded. Just a heads up. | ||
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Jitsu
United States929 Posts
EDITING YOUR POSTS IS STRICTLY FORBIDDEN. STRICTLY FORBIDDEN. Seriously. Don't do it. This has been a Public Service Announcement from your friendly Neighborhood Jitsu. | ||
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
##: Unvote ##:Vote Therapist | ||
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Nova_Terra
Switzerland1190 Posts
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
On April 17 2012 03:31 Nova_Terra wrote: Did someone edit? fun Apparently I did my 2nd post. I spent a while looking through filters till I realized I hadn't checked mine and hadn't found it. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
I also have some extra stuff to say about oneplus. I may have been abit harsh on him at first, which I'm sorry about. However I still think his play is the most strange out of all players in this game. First we have two people, Pure and BlueyD, putting up some pressure votes on him. oneplus seems to be absolutly cool about this. When me and Nova both then says that nolynches are bad(fact which seems to be backed up by Greymist, so it at least wasn't taken out of the blue) he gets super mad and start to accusing us both of us with ZERO arguments but that we both pointed a FoS against him. Then he says: On April 16 2012 18:17 oneplus wrote:Your defending don't make sense at all. Now you are trying to say I am a bad town as I feel suspicious on you =p When I in fact never even claimed him to be a scum. It then becomes clear that he have already decided that both me and Nova are 100% scum no matter what we say. On April 16 2012 19:35 oneplus wrote: I got my point of view you cant shut my mouth up and force everyone to believe in you just because you are active? On April 16 2012 23:32 oneplus wrote: But this is a good move, if you both are scum after you lynch your scummate, you will earn 100% trust from the town. Basically saying that no matter what, he will still think both of us is scum. And still there are no arguments other that we said that we was accusing him of being mafia(which wasn't even true in my case). If that should be considered an argument that is. He then says: On April 16 2012 23:32 oneplus wrote:Pure and Daymore has bring out what I am trying to say but I didnt give enough evidence due to my english. Which is just flat out wrong. Yes Pure and Daymore posted a case against Nova, but they actually used some real arguments instead of saying that me and Nova is scum because we were suspicous of oneplus. About the english, I can understand you to 100% if you say you have a hard time expressing yourself. My english isn't exactly top notch, but who cares? People will in most cases understand you even if do some typos or failgrammar. I think your english is fine. Not one single time have I not understood what you were trying to say in your posts. So please don't blame grammar. Not only do I think that he is strange but I also think that peoples views on him are quite strange. This for example: On April 16 2012 19:21 FourFace wrote: If Nova is our leader then I would like to propose a mutiny to Pure-SC2, TheRavensName and Daymor and establish the council of 4 as our new form of leadership organization with BlueyD as a respected outside consultant Nova and Lazermonkey will be treated as outcasts for discouraging oneplus from posting and being generally to harsh on him by calling him the N word. We never discouraged him from posting, I have no idea why he says the. Not sure if it was his intent or not but He effectivly killed the oneplus discussion which could be explained by that they scumbros. He adds later on: On April 16 2012 21:16 Lorant wrote: As for oneplus, I felt like I should take him under my wing because English is evidently not his mother tongue. Nevertheless I expect him to try and make it easy for us to understand him, keep it simple. What I understood about his posts struck me as intelligent and insightful + Show Spoiler + On April 16 2012 18:34 oneplus wrote: I am not the one who say this. You are the one who said you and lazer accused me? I said you guys sound like a team. And yeah now you are protecting lazer. In what earth the most active player couldn't be scum? Well I could be wrong if you are town and the scum will be lurking around and clapping his hand to see 2 of us try to attack each others Which to me doesn't make any sence. He is basically protecting oneplus for no other reason that english isn't his mother tounge. Conclusion! I'm still not sure whether oneplus is just bad or scum. but imo both him and durant is acting really strange. So lynching oneplus would in one way or another give some info about Durant. ## unvote ## vote oneplus | ||
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Pure-SC2
United Kingdom1440 Posts
Nova's made two comments regarding Solohan's second post. EBWOP: Same with His second post which pretty much is in the middle of the discussion and just asks a question instead od adding to said discussion My point about the second post is that he was here, and instead of adding to the discussion he just asks a question (that he had already asked in beginning). Solohan's second post: Are No Lynches even allowed in this game? If they're not, it's a bit of a moot point. - This was in direct response to Crossfire99's post before his, which was talking about no lynches on day 1. His post does add to what was being discussed at that very moment. It doesn't seem scummy in the slightest. @Nova_Terra - I've reviewed your analysis of Solohan50's first post. I don't understand your reasoning, it's his first post, he's stating his opinion, why is having an opinion that someone else has had bad? He seems to get across quite clearly to me what he thinks, and I provided my interpretation of that in my original case against you. @BlueyD - I notice in your analysis of my case against Nova you didn't mention his aggresively defensive stance, which has been used against three people at least so far. This is not generally considered townie behaviour and was a key part of what led me to raising a case against Nova. When you add all the elements together, I asked myself what the motivation for his posts were. Based on my review, and subsequent case, if Nova is town, he is a terrible townie (3 people finding suspicious behaviour for different reasons in the space of a day). I believe he's scum, and unless anything more comes to light will keep my vote on him. | ||
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