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Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
April 16 2012 19:13 GMT
#221
This still doesnt explain the vote switch. Also please go over my analysis of a couple of your posts. thats to lazermonkey btw.
Seeing as its less than 2 hours before deadline, everyone should be here and ready.
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Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
April 16 2012 19:19 GMT
#222
On April 17 2012 04:10 Pure-SC2 wrote:
Adding to my case on Nova...

Nova's made two comments regarding Solohan's second post.

Show nested quote +
EBWOP: Same with His second post which pretty much is in the middle of the discussion and just asks a question instead od adding to said discussion


Show nested quote +
My point about the second post is that he was here, and instead of adding to the discussion he just asks a question (that he had already asked in beginning).


Solohan's second post:
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Are No Lynches even allowed in this game? If they're not, it's a bit of a moot point.

- This was in direct response to Crossfire99's post before his, which was talking about no lynches on day 1. His post does add to what was being discussed at that very moment. It doesn't seem scummy in the slightest.


@Nova_Terra - I've reviewed your analysis of Solohan50's first post. I don't understand your reasoning, it's his first post, he's stating his opinion, why is having an opinion that someone else has had bad? He seems to get across quite clearly to me what he thinks, and I provided my interpretation of that in my original case against you.


@BlueyD - I notice in your analysis of my case against Nova you didn't mention his aggresively defensive stance, which has been used against three people at least so far. This is not generally considered townie behaviour and was a key part of what led me to raising a case against Nova. When you add all the elements together, I asked myself what the motivation for his posts were.


Based on my review, and subsequent case, if Nova is town, he is a terrible townie (3 people finding suspicious behaviour for different reasons in the space of a day).

I believe he's scum, and unless anything more comes to light will keep my vote on him.

Asking a question that was asked before the game started is not adding to a discussion.
Its not having an opinion that someone else had... its restating exactly what everyone else said regarding that, he could have just said I want to lynch lurkers and be done. instead of rephrasing stuff. And then theres the scummy pleasing everyone thing etc, clarifying everything preemptively whereas you should just say something and stick to it. i think i pointed that out just fine.
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Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
April 16 2012 19:23 GMT
#223
On April 17 2012 01:17 Solohan50 wrote:
Sheesh, you Euros blew up this thread while I was asleep. :-O

After looking through some filters, we definitely have a fair amount of lurkers floating around. Unfortunately, it's hard to tell if they're just busy people or if they're lurking in a scummy way. So far, the list appears to be:

Crossfire - 3 posts after the game has started, and all regarding Day 1 lynches. Hasn't contributed anything else though. He did post that he was unsure of how you lynch a person on Day 1 at the beginning of the game. His last two posts, however, had a much more confident tone about who and why we should lynch on Day 1. Is this scum that's playing coy, or did he just read up on the subject? Since it's a newbie game, I'm inclined to give him a pass on the change of tone (for now), and assume that he went out and read a Mafia guide or something.

Macheji - Hasn't posted in 2 days. Likely getting modkilled. Not much else to say since he hasn't posted anything.

BlueyD - Has 3 posts since the game started. Tacitly supports Nova based on information from previous games. Gets a little caught up on the No Lynch debate, but provides more analysis than most have.

TheRavensName - A handful of one-liner posts and a safe vote for the lurker who's likely to get modkilled (though to be fair, the modkill wasn't on the table until recently).

Oneplus - He's lurked to a lesser extent. He's come out of hiding in the last day and started becoming more active. Since Mecheji had more votes than oneplus did at the time oneplus reappeared, I'm inclined to say that the lurking wasn't a scumslip. If Oneplus had more votes than Mecheji at the time Oneplus returned, I would be more inclined to say that he started posting due to pressure, but that's not the case.

Therapist - Has only really posted about the No Lynch and hasn't posted since. I'd like to see him post more so I can get more of a feel on him. The confusion about the No Lynch is understandable, but it's hard to get a read when that's all he's posted about.

-----------------------------------

And then there's Nova. He decried spam and fluff posts at the beginning of the game, but a good portion of his posts have been one liners, such as:

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On April 16 2012 19:35 Nova_Terra wrote:
LOL whaaaat?
and what is a FourFace doing in this thread o.o

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On April 16 2012 19:39 Nova_Terra wrote:
FourFace, what N word?! Newbie? Did I? damn. just meant bad. apologies

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On April 16 2012 21:47 Nova_Terra wrote:
Also i love how everyone is jumping on the sick bandwagon. really good play


He's also been overly aggressive and defensive, moreso than a Townie should be, even going so far as to say:

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On April 16 2012 18:09 Nova_Terra wrote:
ROFL. Thats fine, dig your own grave.


I can't tell if that's a veiled threat or if Nova is just an asshole (or both?).

On top of that, his whole argument against me was an argument reminiscient of an old, married couple. I ask what I did wrong, and he responds with "You know what you did wrong!". Hyperbole aside, even after I replied, saying that I didn't know what he found wrong with my post, he continued with his line that he wanted to see what I said first. This seems like he was just trying to waste time with his accusation while not having to bother backing it up. He only started substantiating his argument against me once he had multiple votes on him, some of which stemmed from his accusations of me. This seems like he's being overly defensive and trying to save his own skin once his accusation got him in hot water. Because of this, I'm going to vote for Nova.

##Vote: Nova_Terra

Also gonna note that this is OMGUS and bandwagoning. doesnt add anything new and votes me after i do him.
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Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
April 16 2012 19:24 GMT
#224
If i do die tonight i hope that no town forgets who Bandwagoned me, who brought cases up against me, who i called out, and who flips from me. because i bet theres at least 2 scum in there.
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Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
April 16 2012 19:39 GMT
#225
As your case stands pure, The major points are:
I refer to roles in previous games a lot which is WIFOM and can be thought of either way; you choose to think it makes me scum, cant change that
Im defensive; If you check out my meta, as mafia im not defensive as much as i am when town because i take it personally as town. of course, this probably doesnt mean anything to you as you find my meta referencing scummy, so note that i dont seem to care how the posts come out. scum would be all over that trying to round their posts like solohan did.
You dont get my points about solohan being scummy; tell me exactly what you need clarification on
Lazer and i working together; im actually going hard on lazer, as you can see from my analysis on his scummy posts. If solohan was lynched today, either him or you would be two of my top scum choice for day 2, as you keep pushing for an easy mislynch and seem to be okay with having people vote me without adding much at all, and lazer because of his scummy posts and flip flopping.

All in all, i find that i've cleared up everything i can just fine, you at this point just seem to be stuck on the same two things i cant really do anything to change your mind on. I've presented other options, and posted analysis on posts. Actually, i dont think that anything that i did at this point could change your mind as you seem to be trying hard to tunnel me, but i'll continue trying
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Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
April 16 2012 19:40 GMT
#226
and please state simply what i am missing in defense if im missing anything
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TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 16 2012 19:57 GMT
#227
What are these abreviations people are using, like WIFOM and EBWOP?

PS: Anyone got a vote tally list?
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
April 16 2012 20:07 GMT
#228
WIFOM means Wine In Front Of Me, a reference from the awesome movie The Princess Bride. anyway it means something that can be read both ways and is therefore barely useful for discussion. Someone else can correct me or add if needed.
EBWOP is Edit By Way Of Post as you cant edit in a mafia game. Unnecessary, but using it is fine.
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Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
April 16 2012 20:08 GMT
#229
Hosts, can we please have a vote tally?
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Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
April 16 2012 20:11 GMT
#230
So far its like
oneplus: 1
therapist: 1
Nova_Terra: 4
solohan50: 1
crossfire: 1
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Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
April 16 2012 20:11 GMT
#231
maybe missed a couple vote changes
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Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
April 16 2012 20:13 GMT
#232
At this point, can i ask all non me voters and me voters to switch over to either Crossfire or Solohan50? otherwise, im dead for sure and its damn hard to read anhing from a bunch of 1 votes.
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TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 16 2012 20:17 GMT
#233
Ah. Yea you missed at least one because I have one for myself if I recall correctly.
##UnVote:
##Vote: Oneplus

Sorry One... You seem to be the more likely of a scum then the others with votes in my eyes... and at least Nova has contributed enough to warrant being spared the first lynch in my opinion.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
April 16 2012 20:24 GMT
#234
ugh. If necessary i will change myself to him to spare myself from lynch but im still leaning bad town on him.
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Therapist.
Profile Joined January 2009
United States207 Posts
April 16 2012 20:25 GMT
#235
Nova is someone who is helping us bring out a lot of information at this point and is pretty good for the town I feel. I do not wish for him to be lynched day one. I am going to throw my vote in on oneplus - a player who so far has contributed nothing but a bandwagon on Nova Terra. His reasoning for going after Nova is that he sounds like a leader and is not helping aside from questioning others. Questioning others I feel is exactly what needs to be done at this point - especially on day one, it's good to ask some probing questions and get people to respond. Do you not see that this is the way it has to be, or are you trying to get us to focus on someone else? We shall see, but for now my vote goes for you.

##Vote: Oneplus
Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
April 16 2012 20:26 GMT
#236
35 minutes to deadline. If you are bandwagoninng me and town you should be reading my defenses and analysis of posts to see why i am still being more useful than many here.
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Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
April 16 2012 20:28 GMT
#237
okay, i will relent on solohan for now to consolidate a decent vote.
##Unvote
##Vote: oneplus
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Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
April 16 2012 20:40 GMT
#238
Hosts, vote count plz
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Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
April 16 2012 20:43 GMT
#239
our chances of actually getting a decent lynch today are being destroyed by those who are lurking and by those who left a vote and chilled.
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Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
April 16 2012 20:45 GMT
#240
Ugh...this really sucks. I don't think oneplus is scum, but I also don't think nova is scum. Since you have been actively contributing Nova, I am going to vote for oneplus to save you. Sorry, oneplus.

##Vote: oneplus
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