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Cant help but feel like that wasnt our fault. that was a serious lack of try, i should think. so damn frustrated T-T will post in morning. | ||
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Yeah, i may have tunneled era too hard. but it was warranted. will check in later, gtg for now, sorry | ||
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Reactions to town lynches are just awkward to make, really. not anything of note that lazin had no real reaction. Out of our current surviving players, i have a relatively high percentage town read on Lazin and to some extent gossemerr. Resulting from the many suspicions on him beforehand and the fact that era's main suspect was BlueyD, even if it was just tunneling, my current highest percentage scum read is BlueyD, but thats not a high chance at all, and can be rectified. others, like Bocki, are going to need to be very active now or face my wrath (aka being a higher scum read over BlueyD) I am really having trouble understanding why i have never gotten a single good mafia lynch. Its so frustrating, and now i kinda see why mafia didnt kill me night 1, i only tunnelled era T-T On the bright side (ignore if you dont care about my irl + Show Spoiler + i got a cool little notebook for easter that says "Keep calm and carry on" on it and i am now using it for my mafia notes, good reminder to still try to stay chill. those are my current thoughts in case i am the death tonight, which i find exceedingly likely, but in the event that i am here tomorrow, i'll be trying to post some more descriptive thoughts in late afternoon. Hope you all had a good easter  | ||
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So to BlueyD, Bocki, and Therapist, hit me with your best. Shock us all with your talent as town, if you are... | ||
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Gonna be going over gossemerrs filter as well as another deep look into therapists. need to see something. see you guys tomorrow. | ||
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Also seeing as its LYLO, i will now note that Lazin is my best [blue]blue read. after day 1 he was my best, but didnt note that until now of course so that he wasnt hit. And i hope that everyone finds him leaning inno. if not, i may be suspicious of said people. actually im suspicious of all of them anyways, so its all moot i guess. just wanted to note that.[/b] | ||
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That is the funniest scum slip i've ever heard of, ever. simply for that reason, i think its accidental. i write things like that all the time, and find it in the last second before i post and lol. And its NOT because i am scum, because im not, its because im not taking enough care However, BlueyD does have good points in there otherthan on the scum slip. The main thing to me is just that he really hasnt done anything for himself. On to Lazin, To me, that feels like he was making a newbie mistake. not sure whether newbie town, or newbie mafia mistake, but i think its one of those. And i think he dropped it because i came to defend you, and then he reaized that it was a newbie mistake. If someone is town, they dont want to dwell on something they screwed up on and something the *most pro town player said was incorrect, as they are trying to prove themselves innocent. if they are mafia, its the exact same thing. I am.not sure if you read the guides or not, but in them it says that leading the town in circles is something the mafia tries to do. so far, i havent encountered a mafia who tried to lead the town in circles. when i was mafia, the main thing was just defending myself, if the town started making conclusions i was fine with that as long as my name wasnt there. I think thats how it goes in a newbie game. avoid the curtain, and you succeed. To hell with making decision making harder, etc. anyways, my point is that while those couple points definitely dont make bocki seem more town, i dont think it necessarily makes him more scummy too. the other stuff, he certainly better answer to. | ||
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So, enter Therapist Therapist, in this game, is the ultimate slip-byer. So, in total, Therapist has 18 ingame posts. compare this to Lazins approximate 51, my approximate 99. Therapist has the smallest filter out of anyone. i checked all of ours just to make sure. he hasnt even broken the 1 page mark yet. however, this wouldnt be a problem if there was original content and analysis. lets take a look into his filter. Therapist starts with 2 nonposts, so 1/9 of his posts are already wasted for nothing. then he says that he has no suspicions so far. helpful. Maybe had he tried to post something original for discussion he could have had suspicions. Then he decides to make a post where he says that we dont all need to bandwagon lyter, so he wont. Then he does. cool, wasting space and contradicting. He informs us he will be there for deadline. this is 1/3 of his posts. in over 1 and a half days, Therapist has 1. Posted no content, 2. bandwagoned after saying he didnt! oh, now, gossemerr contradicted himself, so vote goes to him. but you also contradicted yourself. meh. Then he says that i'm probably right, and proceeds to let a probably right lynch go ahead without removing a vote. Lyter dies, and theres a bit of WIFOM about gossemerr being more suspicious because of it. Also, he does this OH MAYBE we can get information from somebody but never does anything. at all. Now, all of his posts are either from necessity or from direct pressure. so never contributing willfully. he contradicts himself by saying that there was a reason at that point to go Gossemerr instead of Lyter, whereas earlier he had said there was no reason to do one over the other. one thing that bugs me is DId you guys really jump on the Lyter bandwagon intending to go all the way and lynch him no matter what? I don't see what the advantage of doing that could possibly be. There's a difference between pressure moves and kill moves. Okay, so apparently we were the ones who jumped on the bandwagon intending to kill somebody. whereas you jumped between two, contradict yourself while doing it, try to lynch someone who has posted much more content than the other. lol. Then what did you say? You dont see what the advantage could possibly be? well, its certainly no less advantageous than saying you have no reads, jumping on 2 different bandwagons and settling on someone that you dont really think is scum. now is he trying to set the blame on us? + Show Spoiler + On April 07 2012 07:58 Therapist. wrote: Sorry about the delay on this post. My local Verizon decided to give out last night and put a damper on my plans for the evening. Anyway, my analysis thus far is as follows. 4. Gossemerr Gossemerr started out not wanting to lynch a lurker. But as the inactivity of the day went on, he felt a need to get some activity going, so he voted for a lurker. I now see this not as a contradiction, but just as annoyance that no one was posting anything. This has been a rather lurky bunch, so I don't blame him. It is confusing however that he didn't change his vote once Lyter replied, but he claims being unavailable. I agree with his decision to apply some pressure... and it is even more understandable that he didn't change his vote since now that I remember it would have made him get voted off. I am leaning towards Townie for Gossemerr. --------- 5. BlueyD BlueyD is really going after Gossemerr for no particular reason. I personally voted Gossemerr day one because of the mild contradiction he made and Lyter's defense of himself. It was the only other place I could really go. But then after that and rethinking about it, Gossemerr made a lot more sense to me and there was no major contradiction in his decision making. BlueyD has no such opinion and immediately sets his sights on Gossemerr, writing out an attack against him. I'm not sure why this attack is necessary, because there was really no scum behavior from Gossemerr. You seem awfully focused on someone who took the lead in getting information for us. You poke in at me for changing my vote on day one. Doesn't really make sense for you to be suspicious of me for it, but I guess that's the nature of the game. I feel like your posts are over accusatory at this point with very little information to go by. This makes me suspicious of you. ------------ 6.LazinCajun I can't get too much of a read on LazinCajun because he came late to the game and has a very short filter. At the same time, he's mostly staying out of things. He's making some posts here and there replying to things, but none of them have any real content. He's basically just saying over and over again that he has no opinion. I would really like to hear what he has to say based on looking through peoples' filters. As such, I can just say that I think he is suspiciously laying low. ------ 7. Era Era posts very little content for awhile, and then goes into what is in my opinion a shoddy argument against BlueyD. I think that you can make an argument against BlueyD, but I don't think his post really has anything meaningful to say. I agree that it's strange to be joking and such like he is, but I dont' see why he shouldn't. People can have whatever flavor they want really and we can't really get a read from the fact that he's having a little fun with his posts. Most of the argument has to do with his flavor, but he also claims a contradiction when BlueyD talks about threatening based on meta being difficult in a newbie game. It makes sense because there's either 1. No history to work with, or 2. Not enough experience to recognize behaviors as they apply to the game. I don't think era is necessarily scummy, but his posts really don't seem to have too much meaning outside of some little tidbits here and there. -------- 8. Bocki He was practically completely silent day one, letting people find their own way to a green and then jumping on the bandwagon as it came up. Everything is "okay, I agree" for whatever case people are making up until it's against him. If he continues to mostly just jump on bandwagons, I will get more suspicious. As of right now, I am in the middle on Bocky. ------------- 9. Nova_Terra By far the most active poster who seems to spend a bit too much time critisizing the style of responses rather than providing meaningful analysis of the responses. At the same time, he does provide lots of analysis and keeps the conversation going quite effectively. I would be sad to see him lynched purely on the basis that he keeps things moving. Plus, I don't think his efforts to draw attention to himself and expose so many other people are very scummy. I think Nova is pretty town at this point. So, this type of post is what i talked about earlier. This is Therapists only analysis in the game. And, its a scummy one at that. why? because it is not filter based, it goes shortly over multiple people and doesnt get a very good read, and allows the person if mafia to cleverly locate their mafia teammates suspicionwise, so if they die later they can say OH I SAID HE WAS SCUM EARLIER. Its the same as what i did last game as Scum. Here, he notes BlueyD as scummy. Next post is a bit of WIFOM and a vote on BlueyD,because he is his strongest read. no problem right there. 2 posts on "well i hope this doesnt happen" and "this looks bad for town" mentality. and suddenly...... with no other information....... + Show Spoiler + On April 09 2012 11:04 Therapist. wrote: I don't believe BlueyD to be mafia. I strongly disagree with bandwagoning onto him immediately. Instead, I would question the motives behind Bocki and LazinCajun INSTANTLY throwing down votes on BlueyD. For the time being I am going to focus my analysis on the two of them and see what I can come up with. AT LEAST one of them is 100% mafia in my opinion. I'll post more details later, but I really wanted to get this out there that I think those two should be the focus of our investigation for day 3. DONT BANDWAGON BLUEYD! Its scummy if anyone votes him now! why would you vote so early? A chainsaw defense of someone you literally just voted as scum, and said was your scummiest read, but suddenly without any analysis regarding him at all, everyone voting him is scummy. just, what? So theres many contradictions, no content posted that isnt scummy, and strange changes. And my scummiest read. ##Vote: Therapist | ||
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Sure, there can be a reason for laying low. however, in this case, it wasnt only laying low. it was not getting involved in entire arguments, picking sides in issues. and even when you did post, there wasn't good analysis! inactivity can be either way, however when coupled with not contributing, it does make one more scummy. Another thing is, you are barely inactive. you defend everything that comes to you! BUT, you dont really contribute otherwise. thats not a townie characteristic. Also, there were multiple minor contradictions, the biggest one being BlueyD. The fact that you made contradictions doesnt make you scum---its that there are more than 1, and because of such a small filter and lack of analysis, contradictions and random changes of opinion account for a good bit of your posting. And then theres the fact that you dont even take the time to explain your change in reasoning. one post you are voting BlueyD, and after two 1 liners you are suddenly hardcore against anyone that wanted to vote him. | ||
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Therapists call, Bockis ideas relating to it, BlueyD's, Lazins.... So heres where i stand. I was looking into a BlueyD/Therapist connection. And, it wasnt too far fetched, except for how Therapist went against blueyD on day 2. But then i noticed something. Both Therapist and BlueyD had said things multiple times about how it was unlikely a mafia would bus their own on day 2. However it was thought that they could be a connection, and they started saying that a bus was very unlikely. Wouldnt it be convenient if therapist was bussing BlueyD to try to get in good standing, and then if the vote was swingable, which it was, Therapist could go off of him, and if not, Therapist was in excellent standing. and then theres the fact that the two people that Therapist had 'checked' were BlueyD, and a dead guy (who Therapist happened to agree with.) IF Therapist and blueyD were mafia, this is smart. Its also convenient for explaining a bus. Choose ally as inno, and choose dead person that you read as inno. looks perfect eh? Bocki has really made good posts today, and Therapist and BlueyD pretty much acted exactly as Bocki said. and Therapist uses exactly what bocki says again in the next post, CAPITALIZATION for influence and possibly trying to confuse us further. Lazin has also made good arguments against some of the posts. In conclusion? I think that with Bocki and Lazin, i am voting with the town. It certainly feels like it, and seeing as WIFOM on this blue call can go either way, i think it is in my best interest to vote with the two people i think are town. just like Lazin, i am not 100% certain, nor can i be after all of this. But unless i can be convinced soon that both Bocki and Lazin are scum, i think my vote will stay in agreement with theirs. | ||
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