EPTBocki, you too, if you are here. you need to post more, even more than Lazin. too much slipping by going on all around.
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Bocki, you too, if you are here. you need to post more, even more than Lazin. too much slipping by going on all around. | ||
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That sucks. I'm goingto stop clogging the thread with era and my discussion for now, but everything still stands and the case has not been defended sufficiently yet. I'll go over imallinson's filter tomorrow morning, and see if there is anything of note. Seeya then guys | ||
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I hope to see some analysis from Bocki, and i want to see some sort of large post made by lazincajun. preferably Bocki's best scum reads, and a filter analysis, and for lazin i think he should find someone who he is getting good town vibes/bad scum vibes from and try to explain why. with filter of course. And both of them weighing in on the current situations may be nice. Okay, so, heres where we stand. today, we have 5 town aligned people, and 2 scum. Today is what i consider the most pivotal point in the game. why? 1. If we lynch scum, they are down to one scum left and we have a filter to work with, and a huge insight into their mind, the last scum isnt getting any advice and town has the time to sort things out, scum would have to bring it to a 2-1 scenario 2. If we lynch town, everybody is hella confused, night kill could totally screw our brains, and bar a sick blue save (if we even have another blue) we would be in a LYLO, and not have much time for analysis/new thoughts to be brought up. Therefore, I suggest that we think hard today about our scummiest read and vote for them. Not go for a lynch which gives us information (which screwed town over last game on the very same day) but go for the most likely lynch to hit scum. | ||
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When you say that Lazin has a very short filter, i find that funny as your filter is actually shorter, and had little content as well. You've also only really agreed with people, jumped on bandwagons, defended yourself for jumping on said bandwagons, responded etc. not much content has been driven by you, aside from this post here, which is actually pretty decent. After doing something similar last game as scum, i was inclined to note that your type of analysis chosen was a bit scummy as it isnt actually posting pieces of filter and you could easily say things about fellow mafia without having to back them up etc. However you do have some pretty good points in there, and that changes my perception of it slightly. Therapist, could you do a filter analysis of a player? It could help me determine my thoughts on you so far, a lot. when you say that i spend a bit too much time criticizing the style of responses do you mean like how i keep bringing up how era keeps posting WIFOM and 1 liners and how certain defenses have been bad? I may have gone a little overboard, but i definitely feel that those things should be noted as being scummy, and it especially bothers me when they seem ignored by the very players i direct them at. so i keep bringing it up. I will be voting tomorrow morning depending on any developments if they happen, and will be back later in the day to *possibly* change it. | ||
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On April 07 2012 00:14 era wrote: EBWOP: BlueyD you seem to know the profile of a blue and how to read for them? Maybe you already knew he was a blue before he got killed? WAIT before i go i just noticed this gem. i find this funny, it really looks to me that era is trying very very hard to make blueyd seem suspicious. just look. I'm not sure what is worse, the constant WIFOM, the fact that blues are generally classified as holding back to avoid drawing attention to themselves, or my personal favorite, that you cant know who a blue if even if you are mafia(you have just as good a shot at guessing if you are town) Era seems to be trying sooo hard to get blueyd lynched. even if it doesnt quite make sense and is entirely WIFOM. At this point, if era is scum, blueyD isnt, at least in my mind. tomorrow i'm going to see if that makes sense the other way around. | ||
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Connection cases are generally not good, however, that was pretty great, i think. Its actually rather original too, i love it. Also, i noticed a possible connection between era and Therapist as well. Which is why i asked Therapist about his thoughts on era, and the answer i got back was okay, but really didnt say anything either way. Which you cant really base a case off of, but a null read can be a scummy thing to post. Back to back flip flopping from bandwagon to bandwagon... its not exactly something i would suspect two mafia would plan to do, as its inherently scummy, but it definitely doesnt look good. And then theres his recent thing with brief analysis. some points are good, but others are just.... come on. How does era not seem scummy right now?after my cases and other analysis which he barely defended at all, i definitely think you have to be trying hard to NOT find him scummy. So right now, i think that one of BlueyD and Era are scum. if its era, then therapist is also likely to be scum. Not definitely, but more suspicious for sure. this is because era has been going at BlueyD from the beginning, and BlueyD fights back a bit when he can. As it is very important to get a mafia lynch today, era is my best read and i will be voting for him shortly. also we get some good information. | ||
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On April 07 2012 09:27 era wrote: Of course I am trying to Lynch someone that I think is mafia.. Its my job. Do you not understand the point i am making? If you are town, you do not tunnel someone to the point that your arguments dont make sense, and if you are mafia then you are trying to put a load of extra suspicion on an innocent townie, and you are probably hoping this gets buried. Final nail in the coffin. ##Vote: era | ||
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On April 07 2012 09:49 Bocki wrote: On the "he didnt say much on day1 to help the town": What does saying much on Day1 help the town? Thats my point that I made in my case. BlueyD: As you can read from my case, I do not have much on you that I can read, thats why I didnt want to do my case right now, but I felt pushed, thats why I did it now. I wanted to find out more about you, but I didnt want your accusations be left in the room. When I notice something else about you, I will of course write it. I just wanted to assemble some more info. You defended that, well done. You attacked gosse, I supported him, now you go after me. Thats not "making a good case", thats panic. Nova: I dont think that I am the lurkiest, I think Lazin is. Therapist: I wasnt completely silent on day1 and I didnt just let the town find a green. I proposed the mathematical solution, since it was better than just read into the 4/5 posts that each player wrote. It endet in a green getting killed, but that odd was 7:2, so I dont think it was completely unreasonable. And again BlueyD: You should really consider to make a defense post. Not specially against me but against all the others as well. Therapist, gosse and era listed you as suspicious. If you are town, I'd hate to lynch you because then I would make myself really suspicious, but my feeling is still that you are mafia. Its not a matter of thinking one way or another. You ARE the lurkiest, and statistics prove that if you check filters. Other than that, this defense is decent, i would say | ||
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just caught up on the thread. as of yet nothing of note happened differently than what i expected. | ||
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On April 08 2012 01:30 era wrote: Theres not much to defend, i do post a lot of WIFOM trying not to do that as much. Blueyd asks if im a horrible townie or a horrible mafia? I am obviously a bad townie, this is my first game, Im sure I will player better in my next game. Also it might seem like i am tunneling BlueyD but hes the most suspicious in my book, I am trying to find mafia not accuse 5 different people. Sure, in this case there might not be much to defend, but once again everything i said earlier stands. you cant get out of it with an i'm new excuse. You have not adequately defended any of that, nor have you started posting content after. Therefore, my vote on you stands. I think you are more likely to be mafia than bluey simply because he tries to defend himself adequately and does post his own non-wifom analysis. we get information either way, i guess, but still, i feel that era is the best lynch. | ||
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And yeah, where is gossemerr ... | ||
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On April 08 2012 03:23 era wrote: Your main accusation is that i use WIFOM, which is your accusation for almost everyone, it seems like thats the only analysis you ever bring to the table. WIFOM is not always bad and can be useful. I do agree that I use it too much I dont know how you want me to defend myself? I also posted about blueyD which somewhat got ignored, which is not WIFOM. "Gossemerr, I'm being attacked for making jokes now, really? I'll tell you, there's two reasons I'm making jokes. First... it's fun! Second... I wanted to see who jumped on them to try to make a case look better than it is. Grats, you did." I don't think that his jokes is just flavor. He makes jokes because he wants people to accuse him? Why would he want this? Its a total waste of time and makes no sense if hes a townie. If he is scum it allows him to discredit accusations and gain town favor while doing it. Ill admit its a risky strategy for a mafia since hes putting attention on him. I still find him suspicious. Lastly Nova is always defending blueyd, so much that sometimes blueyd doesnt even have to defend himself he can just sit back and relax. Why are you so keen on defending blueyd? Really? all it is is that you use WIFOM? OR maybe that its 1. you make lots of really short posts with no content 2. you seem to OMGUS when i call you out on it 3. When you actually seem to produce "content" its just WIFOM 4. you respond to me saying these things with more 1 liners, bad defenses, accusations against other people, etc 5. you continue to not produce content without wifom after being told to many many times, and we know you have the time to And you discredit my cases vs you by saying that its just me saying you use WIFOM. I already commented on you saying WIFOM is not always bad an can be useful. Also, i pointed that small non wifom contribution you made out in an earlier post and added my thoughts to it, bringing it up again seems like you are trying to take even more credit for it. I'm always defending blueyD? didnt i just say that i am suspicious of him? defensive reaction, i think. Anyways, the reason why i'm not going as hard on him, as i said before, is that you are more suspicious because you dont actually TRY to come up with some useful analysis that isnt wifom. aside from that 1 point you made. By keen to defend blueyD, its more like keen to want to out a more scummy player, in you. | ||
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also why do you not understand that its not because you arent posting a lot, its because you arent making helpful contributions. And suddenly this mad reaction to gossemerr when he flips, come on. if you are town, which i still doubt, Dont blame this on gossemerr. blame it on you not putting in analysis and helpful content | ||
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