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 Sorry about that seviro, seeya soon Welcome Lazin :D As seviro is being replaced, i do agree that to start with, Lyter is a decent choice as he has posted nothing. ##Vote: Lyter | ||
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Lazin, i dont think that its a good idea to say that it might be up to a blue to check him if he isnt lynched. 1. Lyter hasnt posted anything that could be damaging to town at all really, and so far isnt worth the check 2. they might have somebody who is more suspicious in their mind that they want to check and 3. they would have to roleclaim early if anything came up. then they are either dead or worthless because of roleblocker. Better to wait and make subtle hints at least. | ||
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The fact that Lyter came back to defend himself is good, however in my mind it does not make him any more innocent. A scum would want to come back and defend himself more than a townie. What Lyter has not pointed out is both 1. Gossemerr's 3 posts have had content, which up until now his have not (and same with many other people in the game) and 2. Gossemerr's early aggression is a common trait in his meta. Also, anyone who changes their vote to Gossemerr from Lyter who uses the reasoning of sudden accusation is totally hypocritical, as they just jumped on a bandwagon TWICE. I am leaving my vote, for these reasons and also because the developments happened way after the soft deadline that i proposed. If Lyter flips scum, Gosse is pretty much innocent, and the other way around. However, Lyters contribution came AFTER he was pressured, and therefore i find him more scummy. | ||
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On April 05 2012 06:00 Lyter wrote: This part makes no sense, regardless what I am I would want to defend myself lol, unless I was like a jester which isn't in this game As i was a mafia last game, i was much more concerned with defending myself than i was/am now. Also scum has a responsibility to their team, and are less likely to become bored and abandon the game. I did not say that you wouldnt want to defend yourself as a townie, just that scum would come back just as easily if not more so. Unrelated, lol@ Jester, do you play sc2 mafia? xD | ||
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On April 05 2012 04:48 Lyter wrote: 1.OK, so apparently in my absence everyone decided they wanted me dead, fair enough. I don't really have much in the way of declaring my innocence through past actions as this is the first day, so there is no backlog of votes and reasoning for you to go off. I could scream my role at you, but that probably wouldn't help at all as you have no reason to believe I'm telling truth as there have been no nights for me to exercise said role yet. 2.However I will make a case against another player after reading through everyone's filter which is pretty tough because the vast majority have said nothing other than 2 liners simply restating what some guy prior has already said. I'm voting for Gossemerr. This guy has posted a grand 3 times, and his last post was the first vote against me. This act in itself however massively contradicts something he said earlier, surely it can't be so hard to have a little consistency in the way you act across 3 posts? 3.This was his first post, actively stating that he will not lynch due to lurking, and either do it off suspicion, or vote no lynch, so of course it makes sense for him to begin the lynch train right? 4.This was his last post, in which he started the bandwagon against me. Oh and the reason I think the reason you ask me what I think of BlueyD is not to get a response off of me for you to get a read of me, but so the rest of town has someone to look at, in fact 2 people for the town to look at, they get my response for a read, and then of course putting more pressure on BlueyD who has already had a fair bit of attention, diverting attention away from actually making progress. But instead keeping eyes elsewhere. ##vote Gossemerr Gonna analyse this case a little bit 1. Fluff section, explains why he cant defend himself to defend himself? 2. Tells us who hes voting for, and makes it fluffy in that he briefly explains his decision which we will explain just a second later 3. I think i tried to explain this a bit, he didnt find anyone inherently scummy, and a no lynch isnt possible. i dont see another option. 4. Or maybe it is. Just defensive WIFOM. Summary: Case doesnt have much in it, and the biggest section is WIFOM. I'm actually a bit suspicious of people who flop from Lyter to Gosse because of this. | ||
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On April 05 2012 05:01 imallinson wrote: Ok so now that everyone has voted and no one besides Lyter himself has defended him self I'm temporarily convinced he isn't scum. He could be and the other scum could be going for the risky bandwaggon to make him seem less suspicious but as far as I'm concerned he isn't a good lynch at the moment. Thus ##Unvote: Lyter So onto who I think might actually be scum. My bet at the moment is LazinCajun seeing as he seems to be fairly for a blue outing himself day 1 which seems like something scum would want and I can't think of a reason town would want that. ##Vote: LazinCajun As i feel like i need to be doing something, i just want to note why the reasons to flop around are also not good. Starting withh imallinson. first part: why should anyone other than lyter have defended himself? what? If i make a case against somebody and he defends it, does that mean i am more likely scum because i didnt defend something? second part: Lazin clarified that (multiple times) reasonably well. if Lyter is blue and was about to be lynched, it is sufficient a reason to claim blue so town at least doesnt totally waste a lynch (and probably out a blue, as i dont think a mafia would try to claim blue day 1 when someone could just counterclaim him) | ||
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On April 05 2012 05:20 era wrote: Things are heating up. I am going to have to agree with Lyter. Grossemerrs accusation was very sudden and it was mostly based on Which Lyter propably was since he usually posts late at night and doesnt post again until around 5, which is propably when gets off work/school. ##Unvote: Lyter ##Vote: Gossemerr Second: era Sudden accusations ARE day 1. also, your bandwagoning on Lyter was very sudden, and also mostly based on that. And bandwagoning is more scummy than starting a vote aggressively is. The fact that he was probably sleeping doesnt mean that he cant post content afterwards instead of that >.> | ||
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On April 05 2012 05:23 Therapist. wrote: Such a quiet day one. I am going to agree with Lyter that Gossemerr did manage to contradict himself already by lynching a lurker straight after saying he didn't want to lynch a lurker. Pretty strange. ##Unvote ##Vote: Gossemerr Last, currently, Therapist. Entire flop based on the fact that Gossemerr has to lynch a lurker after saying he doesnt want to. But what can he do otherwise? Nothing! | ||
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On April 05 2012 06:43 imallinson wrote: My point is there is one more scum out there assuming Lyter is scum then they would be risking losing half their number if they don't defend him. It certainly doesn't remove all suspicion from him but enough for me think he is a bad lynch today. As for Lazin I have been reasonably convinced of his motives the only reason I haven't changed my vote is I haven't been convinced as to anyone else's scummyness. Ahh, looks like i misunderstood what you meant D: Still, I dont think that a mafia would try hard to defend another mafia and make it apparent. You would gain a lot of townie cred if you went heavy on him instead and he died and flipped red, whereas if you defend him and he still dies, you are also screwed. Its just WIFOM. not enough reason to flip from him to gossemerr. | ||
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damn, that sucks. Also as he flipped green it could also be a clever way to make yourself(imallinson) seem unrelated to the lyter vote. Once again, just WIFOM though, not worth suspicion. As far as day 1 lynches go, that wasnt too terrible, at least. Had he put in a bit more effort before he was accused, that could have been avoided easily. Also, Therapist, if you wouldnt prefer 1 lynch over the other, why would you flop (in a suspicious manner between two bandwagons) to gossemerr? still less reason to vote him... | ||
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Therapist, please tell me, what are your current thoughts on era? how likely is he to be scum in your eyes (rough percentage) and why? | ||
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No, I think it doesnt make him any more scummy. Why? mafia doesnt like initiating a vote aggressively on someone they know to be town. it could be a clever ploy, but i still see that as normal town play. | ||
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