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Blazinghand
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On April 12 2012 04:34 ghost_403 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 03:58 Toadesstern wrote:
The chance of that happening is 2/3 + X. That is best case in 66% of the times his check (if he were to be a DT, which is not true) and worst case a little more depending on how likely you consider it for mafia to frame me or if I am a miller.
The important part here is that VE's check is wrong / doesn't say a thing about me in 66% of the times because of sanities ALREADY.
If this game would have sane cops only I'd agree, lynch the red check no matter what, if he's a green lynch the DT. However this game does not have sane only therefore it's wrong
Quoted from this post. I don't know if anyone has brought this up in the next couple of pages, but this is bullshit logic. If we believe that there is an equal chance of every flavor of DT being in the game, that would mean that 75% of the time, the DT is wrong. Why would the hosts include a role like that in the game? I'm not arguing that VE is definitely sane, but to say that there is a 2 out of 3 chance he is wrong is false.
I don't know if you're aware, but investigative blue roles are nerfed in this setup, what with stealthy, godfathers, millers, wandering townies, etc. The hosts don't want us leaning on DTs. There are definitely non-sane DTs in this setup.
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Blazinghand
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On April 12 2012 04:36 gonzaw wrote:
...create more chaos and disrupt the thread, and serve no constructive purpose. It fuels other people to be aggressive to you while you are aggressive to them in a non-specific manner. It doesn't add anything to the discussion, nor generates any type of scumhunting whatsoever.
If you don't like my playstyle, lynch me. Or are you too afrad??? I'm an aggressive player. Deal.
On April 12 2012 04:36 gonzaw wrote:
You disappear since the middle of N1 mostly and don't reappear until now, and you do so to post some stuff about VE's claim (yet you don't comment on the previous things discussed about him), and you disrupt the thread with posts like these.
VE's claim overshadows EVERYTHING he said previously. He did not need to claim, and he did. He is scum. Does the previous case matter on him? Sure. But it is all overshadowed by his claim.
On April 12 2012 04:36 gonzaw wrote:
Are you, wbg, Toad and VE scum?
If at least 1 of you is town, I'll be very disappointed.
suck it*
*"it" in this sentence is a lollipop, not a penis
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Blazinghand
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On April 12 2012 04:39 ghost_403 wrote:
@BH: I'm not arguing that, but arguing that there is a 2 out of 3 chance that his role is wrong. Assuming that he is, in fact, a DT, it's more likely that his check came back accurate.
Assuming that he is, in fact, a DT, there are THREE possibilities.
1) Sane
2) Insane
3) Paranoid
HE CANNOT BE NAIVE BECAUSE HE GOT A SCUM RESULT.
Of these three possibilities, only one is "Sane"
The other two are not "Sane"
Therefore there is a 2 out of 3 chance his role is wrong.
oh shit that's right Bh up in dis with some math
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Blazinghand
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On April 12 2012 04:41 FourFace wrote:
I do find people attempt to discredit VE's claim disturbing. I believe if there is a DT he is sane and BH and some other dudes who took into account that "75% of the time, the DT is wrong." are scummy.
Look, the thing is: If you're Ve, why would you claim in this situation? You wouldn't, would you, because you don't know your own sanity. You'd hold on and get another check to figure things out.
Unless you were scum.
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Blazinghand
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On April 12 2012 04:43 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 04:41 FourFace wrote:
I do find people attempt to discredit VE's claim disturbing. I believe if there is a DT he is sane and BH and some other dudes who took into account that "75% of the time, the DT is wrong." are scummy. Lol, wtf? Explain how you think his claim was a pro-town move. Please! I'm dying to hear this.
I've got an explanation! 4F trying to save his scumbuddy
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Blazinghand
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On April 12 2012 04:44 ghost_403 wrote:
@BH: You're assuming there is an equal probability of each flavor of DT being in the game. If that was true, GMarsh included a troll roll in this game. Most of the time, the DT is going to be wrong. That's just a terrible game setup.
It makes more sense for the game setup to favor a sane DT, but include the possibilities of the other flavors. Something like a 70-10-10-10 distribution would make much more sense, from a balance perspective.
That's a fair point. But even in the 70-10-10-10 setup, there's a possibility of being insane. Even with a 20% possibility of being paranoid or insane, you'd anticipate a DT waiting until D3 to claim.
VE was by no means backed into a corner. We're not even halfway through D2. I find the timing of his claim coupled with the sureness of it (given the sanity constraints) to be scummy. I think that if VE were a DT he'd not claim for another 12ish hours, and even then, only if he was really sure he couldn't push the lynch himself.
VE is not a bad player. I am surprised he has made a bad play.
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Blazinghand
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On April 12 2012 04:52 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 04:43 Blazinghand wrote:On April 12 2012 04:41 FourFace wrote:
I do find people attempt to discredit VE's claim disturbing. I believe if there is a DT he is sane and BH and some other dudes who took into account that "75% of the time, the DT is wrong." are scummy. Look, the thing is: If you're Ve, why would you claim in this situation? You wouldn't, would you, because you don't know your own sanity. You'd hold on and get another check to figure things out. Unless you were scum. Imagine VE didn't claim at all. Tell me why you think he's scum then. Discuss the previous cases or thoughts, post thoughts of your own agreeing with those cases or creating original content.
My vote on VE is entirely based on his claim.
On April 12 2012 04:52 gonzaw wrote:
Post your thoughts on Wbg and what other people said about him. Post your thoughts on other lurkers, like zelblade/Katina/Grack/Adam/etc.
No.
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Blazinghand
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Shit that matters now: getting majority vote on VE
Shit that I don't care about, but will care about once it is clear we either will or will not get a majority vote on VE: other stuff
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Blazinghand
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gonzaw's unfocused unuseful questioning has in my experience been a part of both his town and scum play. This does not male him scum wbg
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Blazinghand
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On April 12 2012 06:21 FourFace wrote:
I really don't, if VE doesn't confirm or deny what I was saying about him and wbg. That's true
##Vote: FourFace
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On April 12 2012 06:22 Tunkeg wrote:
This is how I see people stances on VE - if I am wrong, please correct me:
Blazinghand: VE is scum - fairly certain.
Incorrect. My view is:
VE is scum - hat-eatingly certain
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Blazinghand
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On April 12 2012 07:02 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 07:01 wherebugsgo wrote:On April 12 2012 06:57 FourFace wrote:
Is there any chance that VE, Toad and wbg are all town and scum is stroking on laughter right now? yes, but judging by VE's recent play I don't think this is likely. VE would never claim that he could confirm his sanity with one flip when it's clear to anyone who thinks for a half second that you can't possibly confirm sanity with one flip, regardless of what the flip is. VE would not then try to use that argument as town to back up his shoddy claim. This hinges on a townie VE knowing what he's doing, but as far as that assumption goes, he knows better than pretty much every other player in this game. Actually Bugs, I forgot about the Paranoid/Naive mechanic. I was under the impression that one check is all it would take when I claimed. That's a herp on my part.
I just want to point out that this is basically impossible. In the role pm for DT it straight up tells you about the sanities. There's no way this punk "forgot" about paranoia, naivete, and insanity.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/S0pX9.png)
This is VE literally claiming scum.
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Blazinghand
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On April 12 2012 07:34 EchelonTee wrote:
IF YOU IGNORE VE'S ROLECLAIM DOES HE LOOK SCUMMY TO YOU? ANSWER THIS EVERYONE
This is not a relevant question. He DID roleclaim. His roleclaim IS scummy.
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Blazinghand
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On April 12 2012 07:47 Kenpachi wrote:
its really simple. ET and Jitsu are some of the most sensible guys in the entire thread. DEFINITELY.
read their posts to explain why i believe VE is correct choice.
the rest of you are big fat nooblords who are as indecisive as VE himself. On April 12 2012 07:49 FourFace wrote:
Maybe VE is vanilla town? Ever thought about that? He's trying to get himself killed by mafia so he can get as far from this pile of shit thread as possible
Welcome to my ignore list, population you.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/1ZuoG.png)
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Blazinghand
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On April 12 2012 07:51 FourFace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 07:50 johnnywup wrote:On April 12 2012 07:49 FourFace wrote:
Maybe VE is vanilla town? Ever thought about that? He's trying to get himself killed by mafia so he can get as far from this pile of shit thread as possible Why would a vanilla town ever claim DT? And there was no pile of shit before he claimed. I find that quite hilarious
Almost as funny as you being scum. which you are.
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Blazinghand
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On April 12 2012 07:54 EchelonTee wrote:Kenpachi you make me LOL so hard lmao... @Risen I'm trying to think this through. We're one lynch away from MYLO. Read this. Thoughts? FF, Mementoss is not scummy, and who gives a fck about jdub right now. You're looking worse now, sadly.
4F has been scummy since like 2 hours into D1.
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Blazinghand
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On April 12 2012 07:56 FourFace wrote:Scummy is as scummy does Show nested quote +A scum doing a fake-claim has to consider all the repercussions of it; will people believe me? is this even a good idea? People in his scum QT would've reminded him "dude paranoid/naive blah blah". This claim could've come from a Town VE, only thinking "yeah dood I'm DT let's claim", which is dumb and unoptimal, but is it primarily a scum move?
I still think that a vanilla town could forget about the paranoid/naive modifier and lack scumbuddis to remind him of it.
Right but a VT claiming DT is amazingly bad, and VE is not amazingly bad.
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Blazinghand
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On April 12 2012 07:58 johnnywup wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 07:56 FourFace wrote:Scummy is as scummy does A scum doing a fake-claim has to consider all the repercussions of it; will people believe me? is this even a good idea? People in his scum QT would've reminded him "dude paranoid/naive blah blah". This claim could've come from a Town VE, only thinking "yeah dood I'm DT let's claim", which is dumb and unoptimal, but is it primarily a scum move?
I still think that a vanilla town could forget about the paranoid/naive modifier and lack scumbuddis to remind him of it. This is literally the worst argument I've ever heard.
it's because 4F is scum
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Blazinghand
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On April 12 2012 08:03 FourFace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 07:58 Blazinghand wrote:On April 12 2012 07:56 FourFace wrote:Scummy is as scummy does A scum doing a fake-claim has to consider all the repercussions of it; will people believe me? is this even a good idea? People in his scum QT would've reminded him "dude paranoid/naive blah blah". This claim could've come from a Town VE, only thinking "yeah dood I'm DT let's claim", which is dumb and unoptimal, but is it primarily a scum move?
I still think that a vanilla town could forget about the paranoid/naive modifier and lack scumbuddis to remind him of it. Right but a VT claiming DT is amazingly bad, and VE is not amazingly bad. By VT you mean veteran right. You know what I think about you being veterans? I'm going to take a shit on my scanner and send it to you mhhhkkay?
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On April 12 2012 07:56 FourFace wrote:
I still think that a vanilla town could forget about the paranoid/naive modifier and lack scumbuddis to remind him of it. On April 12 2012 07:58 Blazinghand wrote:
Right but a VT claiming DT is amazingly bad, and VE is not amazingly bad.
On April 12 2012 07:56 FourFace wrote:
vanilla town On April 12 2012 07:58 Blazinghand wrote:
VT
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Blazinghand
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ok I'm done reading anything 4F has to say.
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