The Sum of All Fears Mafia

On March 27 2012 04:03 Dirkzor wrote:
I betting that VE and Blazinghand have 50% of the post by the end of day1. =)

5 silver liquid money on that!

On March 27 2012 07:49 Cyber_Cheese wrote:


As town, it's hard to stay with a solid stance. Games change, and ultimately these little things never seem to come up anyway. As mafia, having a solid stance and sticking with it is basically a free pass.
Ultimately, 'lurking' and 'lying' are only a fraction of a persons play.

However, if it's a stance you want:
In my experience, the moment you bother lynching the lurkers is the moment you know mafia are in control of the game, especially if it's done sooner.
If we can conclusively prove someone was lying, that person should be suspect in the first place, and automatically be rated higher than lurkers.

On March 27 2012 08:27 slOosh wrote:


It shouldn't be at all different no? Actually I've been meaning to ask a similar question.
Does a closed-setup in general change basic scumhunting principles or do they just allow/favor different styles of play?

On March 27 2012 09:33 Bluelightz wrote:
Err, I'm here guys like everyone else, I don't like policy lynches.

Busting out some an early reads read,VE is town because he has been active and pushing discussion :D

On March 27 2012 09:52 Nemesis wrote:
Yo VE why you so scum this game, I'm getting my gun ready for you.

On March 27 2012 10:21 EchelonTee wrote:


ayo, I've played like 6 games. most of the people here are over 3 games, don't get all tunnel vision'd worrying about vets b/c it's the less conspicious new scum who will slip by. be on the offensive, I like the feisty VE more than whatever else you'd pull out

On March 27 2012 11:24 gonzaw wrote:
Got back from uni.
Let's hunt some nazis.





I doubt I need to ask 100 questions to everybody, considering this is a smaller game, so don't worry about that too much.
I'll try not to "hurt your eyes" this time

I think it's obvious that nobody likes lurkers, but lurking alone doesn't mean they should be lynched immediately. It just means you need to call them out, make them contribute, and put them under more scrutiny than other players, since they can easily fly unnoticed.

@VE: I have to agree with johnny here, why do you prod someone about taking stances 1 post into the game?
Even as pressure that doesn't seem very helpful.

Also, I'd recomend nobody even slightly hint what nationality they are from. As far as I know, town don't get ANY information whatsoever if someone is US or SU, but scum can use that info to try and get their alternative win-con.
So no nationality claims, nor any hint to them.
If you have to claim just claim your role and nothing else.

On March 27 2012 11:48 Sinensis wrote:
Also, I work every day from at least 5pm to 10pm EST. I will post very consistently after work near 10pm.

So VisceraEyes, "what's" "with" "all" "these" "quotation" "marks" you use whenever you talk about "liars" or "scum" or "bad play"?

Several Examples
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On March 27 2012 07:41 Cyber_Cheese wrote:

Alright boys, lets do this.


Something about this seems suss. Compensating for some sort of guilt perhaps?

On March 27 2012 07:49 Cyber_Cheese wrote:


As town, it's hard to stay with a solid stance. Games change, and ultimately these little things never seem to come up anyway. As mafia, having a solid stance and sticking with it is basically a free pass.
Ultimately, 'lurking' and 'lying' are only a fraction of a persons play.

However, if it's a stance you want:
In my experience, the moment you bother lynching the lurkers is the moment you know mafia are in control of the game, especially if it's done sooner.
If we can conclusively prove someone was lying, that person should be suspect in the first place, and automatically be rated higher than lurkers.

Jackal wrote:
Hi guys.
Allow me to preface this with the following caveats:
1. I don't care if you like me.
2. I don't care if you think I'm arrogant, belligerent, ignorant, or any other kind of 'ent/ant
3. I'm not here to be your friend.
4. If I hurt your precious feelings you need to start spending more time in the real world.
5. I'm here to kill scum
6. I will not coddle you in the process.

Now that we have that out of the way I'm going to speak my mind.
75% of you suck. That is a simple truth.

There is no such thing as a "useless townie". That line of thinking stops right here. RIGHT NOW. You all get that? I hope you got that. If you wish to push it any more you are scum. The only useless townies are inactives that will be modkilled. If an individual is posting things you don't agree with, or you think are off the mark, or you think are scummy by all means call them out on it. But stop analyzing people you think are useless townies. If they are town they are not useless. You dumbshits are going to "useless" townie us right into oblivion.Stop fucking doing it. The only thing you are doing is giving scum a place to hide. The only useless townies are the ones calling others useless townies. Fucking stop it. Morons.

Do not base your analysis on people that piss you off. We just lost the goddamned batman because some fucking moron had a fucking hardon at BC. I understand that this game creates emotional responses from people. You dumbshits have to understand that sometimes people are looking for emotional responses. Scum love to stir the pot. If I call you stupid look at the reason why I called you stupid. Odds are if you step back you will realize that yes what you said was stupid. Stupidity does not make people scummy. Calling a persons post stupid does not make that person scummy. It happens get the fuck over it.
Scummy behavior lies in wanting to kill people for stupid shallow reasons.
Scum do not have to pressure people. Us townies do that all by ourselves. Scum simply look for the opportunity to go along for the ride. Stop driving the fucking bus. If you see a post that seems to push a scum agenda bring it to our attention Stop trying to get people lynched because you think they are stupid. Odds are if a person appears stupid it's because they are stupid. Not because they are scum.
So please stop trying to massage your fucking collective egos. Actually everybody right now take your ego and fold it up into a little square and wipe your ass with it. Then flush it. You'll know where to find it when the game is over.

I am in a mason circle that did include BC. This circle is not of my doing. As far as I know atm nobody in it is the benefactor that included all of us. BC had the best analysis of this game to this point. "General opinion is people are fucktards."
I could not have said it better. Bum can confirm this. He's in the circle with me. I will not out the others. If they wish to claim it's on them. Don't ask me to.

We need to use Bum as an asset. A lot of you are going to call this differently. As of right now I believe towns best interest lies in using Bum until the time comes where he has to play for his win condition. When that moment arrives I have no problem with kicking him to the curb.

I probably have another million things to add but I don't remember wtf they are.
Bottom line is - Town,Stop being fucking morons. Start looking for scum instead of people that piss you off or you deem as useless.
Fucking morons.
Yours truly,
Jackal58

On March 27 2012 16:59 Blazinghand wrote:
Other than C_C's half-assed half-quote of me, he hasn't posted anything of any substance except:




I concur with VE that this is a troubling post. I do not like that C_C soft-claimed his nationality. As a town player this is either a huge mistake or some kind of shitty gambit. As a scum player, this is... I don't even know what this is. I eagerly anticipate C_C's reasoning for this post.

On March 27 2012 22:32 gonzaw wrote:
@VE: So, did that "prodding" of yours help at all or something? You "proded" several people based on some pointless stuff, but you never dwelled back on it again IIRC

On March 27 2012 23:19 Bluelightz wrote:
Hmm VE Good Point, Gonna read some others though, as for my scum read, what do you think of cccalf's response to my post?

On March 27 2012 23:52 zelblade wrote:
VE any thoughts on ET?

On March 28 2012 00:31 MrZentor wrote:
His last post doesn't seem nearly as suspicious as his first two.
He is either a nooby town or a nooby mafia, and it's really hard to tell which.
I think it would be better to lynch C_C for now.

On March 27 2012 22:32 gonzaw wrote:
BH, I see you are still the overly-aggressive asshole from usual right?

I don't know what that initial stupid outburst from yours was about, but it produced some reactions and that's fine, but you need to stop these emotional outbursts of yours since they don't help anyone. If you are scum it's also easy to fake them to instill chaos, so stop.
I think I said this in Aperture Mafia as well.

I see nothing wrong with johnys posts or his "case" against you, you acted very odd and there's nothing wrong in him calling you out. The subsequent bickering between you two was kind of useless and only cluttered things up.
You can't infer johnys alignment from that bickering, you need to let him make other reads, contribute about other topics, and see what he does and how he does it.
Continuing an argument based on some pointless thing will make it impossible for anyone to do so.


However BH, you were going against Nemensis (for some stupid reason like him waking up to post or something), and then you completely ignored him. Why's that? Do you still think Nemensis is scum for those reasons or were they part of your "show" to "pressure" and shit?

I find you are acting like in Aperture, being so confident and aggressive; which makes me think you are likely town.
However I haven't seen you be scum (in a non-Resistance game), and you pushing that attitude of yours worries me.

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@VE: So, did that "prodding" of yours help at all or something? You "proded" several people based on some pointless stuff, but you never dwelled back on it again IIRC


@Echelon: What's with your weird wording? Saying things like "hip hip hurrah!" or "you are crAAAzy" and that weird attitude of yours? I don't remember you ever playing like that, seems you may be trolling or something.


@Bluelightz: You say ET is town and pressed people to post, do you have anything to back that up?
Although I see you are posting lists now though



P.S: There, I used the "-----" line breaks you guys always love >_>

On March 28 2012 04:14 Cyber_Cheese wrote:


Put simply, why should he feel the need to state he's like everyone else?



Pointing out townies and asking for discussion isn't as helpful as it seems. Neither is pointing out that fact. However, he stated that he's willing to lynch you which you seem to have glazed over. That, by definition, is as helpful as it seems.



Blatant buddying. He also shouldn't need to state that he's watching for suspicious posts, because townies should be doing it anyway. How is it buddying saying you agree with someone? He even gave further input. It's not like he was like "You know what, I trust you on this one" or something, which would be blatant buddying and sheeping - he gave his own reasoning in addition to agreeing with something said. There's nothing indicative of scum here, and the fact that you "think" there is tells a lot about how much you care about finding real scum.




Does anything about that post suggest he's pushing scum to anyone? Yeah - the post you bolded there. The part where he says "I push targets I feel scummy and you are one". That pretty much says exactly that he's pushing scum.

Combine those with the fact he's already getting called pro-town by a bunch of people. What does this have to say about his alignment at all?! Are you suggesting that the people calling him pro-town are all scum trying to protect him or something? What you're saying isn't even making any sense.

Conclusion: Scum. Scum indeed.

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Also of particular interest to me are Gonzaw and Johnnywup.

On March 28 2012 06:51 Cyber_Cheese wrote:

Awww, you felt like you had to defend him.
Cute

On March 28 2012 07:59 Bluelightz wrote:
I said I'm going to vote either CC, gonzaw, or cccalf

so, ##Vote: Cyber_Cheese

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IF we DONT want to lynch Cyber_Cheese, I would like to lynch cccalf, this guy has NO substance whatsoever, This guy needs to die.

On March 27 2012 16:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
Anyway...

If anyone is interested in lynching scum, perhaps I could interest you in a hot juicy Cyber_Cheese.



The important part of this post is the flag. At first I thought that Cyber_Cheese was idiotically claiming his nationality. But after rereading his play in L and seeing his posting so far, I'm finding this less and less likely. If C_C were town, I feel like he wouldn't have included any kind of clue that would hint at giving scum information, as most of the first posts by other players so far have done. It just makes more sense to try and keep scum in the dark.


Taking this into account, this post looks terrible, and here's why: in the initial post, he had made an underhanded accusation of me trying to hide some sort of underlying guilt by a show of bravado or something, and when I called him out on it rather than continue that line of thinking any further he responds as he should have in the first place and comments on the content in my post.

Which begs the question: why did he attack me in the first place? What was the point? I'd been one of the few to actually post in the game so far, what's the point of raising suspicion of someone if you're not even going to respond back when asked?

My vote is going on Cyber_Cheese and if you're town, I'd go my early interactions with him and tell me what you think.

##Vote: Cyber_Cheese

On March 28 2012 12:27 Sinensis wrote:


I consider myself reasonable and I have a read on his alignment. I think he's a nazi. Based on votes, 5 other people thing he's a nazi.

On March 28 2012 14:06 Sinensis wrote:


Every game I have played with Bluelightz this happens. I would go so far as to say voting for Bluelightz day 1 is a scum tell on TL mafia.

On March 29 2012 07:16 EchelonTee wrote:


what happened to that poetic "no townie is useless" thingamabob? i thought killing "unhelpful" townies was bad or something?

On March 29 2012 08:55 Bluelightz wrote:
._., cccalf needs to die tommorow.

On April 04 2012 07:59 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
I was going to congratulate VE on good scum play, before he flipped.
This is why you have to completely ignore who's a 'veteran' and who isn't, they're still just players in the game

Figures I was right about VE being a soviet (see also, position in the graph)
If it wasnt obvious, most of that graph was random, I threw VE and BH near me, and blue on scum
Being right about Blue <3<3<3

If I was thinking on day 1 enough, my vote would have ended on blue, and the scientist would have been a power role.
The rest of my day 1 could have been improved.