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i was so sure of a VE+jwup scum partnership.... WIFOM mode engage: killing VE is the last thing a scum jwup would want to do; ve was one of his only supporters. mr. wup going on the backburner personally
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EchelonTee
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i was so sure of a VE+jwup scum partnership.... WIFOM mode engage: killing VE is the last thing a scum jwup would want to do; ve was one of his only supporters. mr. wup going on the backburner personally | ||
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On March 30 2012 08:14 Nemesis wrote: Also your play here is quite different: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=321496&user=45996 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306452&user=45996 In those other games, you are generally more helpful. You were trying to promote discussion, and doing some scumhunting of yourself. But this time you are literally just bandwagoning with easy votes. First of all, A Game of Thrones is still going on; don't use that at evidence, it's against the rules blah blah I disagree that sinensis's play is "quite different" in normal mini mafia I. The only difference I see is that when people are now accusing sinensis, he doesn't fly into a relentless rage; that's the experience that sinensis has gained. If you look at his filter this game, he commented on a lot of different topics throughout the day and put a stance down. did he make big fat posts? nope. sinensis just works off a different diet, and it doesn't sound poisonoues to me. Ex: there's a difference between there's these two posts: On March 28 2012 11:51 Sinensis wrote: Back from work. So you just alignment claimed soviet for the second time? You are also grouping people based on Nationality. Only one class benefits from grouping based on Nationality, so indeed, gg Nazi. ##vote: Cyber_Cheese says why he wants to vote and does it decisively. On March 28 2012 23:18 MrZentor wrote: ##Vote Cyber_Cheese I'm voting for reasons I explained very early in the thread. references earlier, very intangible reasons. makes it look like he put forth a decent case on C_C when he never rly did. both are short votes, but you have to read into tone. Sinensis has been decently forthright | ||
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Correct me if I'm wrong: MrZ mentions C_C only 3 times. what does he say? On March 27 2012 22:49 MrZentor wrote: C_C looks a little suspicious because of his first post, but I feel that people are reading too far into that. On March 28 2012 00:31 MrZentor wrote: I think it would be better to lynch C_C for now. On March 28 2012 01:37 MrZentor wrote: I want to hear what C_C has to say about him posting posting the flag. then he votes yayyyyyyyy!!!!!! ....yeah that's not fishy at all. it's not like MrZ jumped on teh bandwagon with the loosest facest case known to mankind Other stuff that MrZ has done: Call my posting weird but make no comment on it: click Make gigantic contentless posts that make his filter look big, but they're even more sparse than gonzaw's posts: what the What happens if you compare C3 and MrZ? While MrZ has posted more and you might be fooled that the dude has been contributing, let's take a look. 1. voted C_C with little to 0 reason 2. make no concrete stances on anything 3. don't respond to accusations except MrZ uses a few more posts to lurk. This, ma friends, is what we call active lurking. as in lurking to hide, hide from the lynch, the lynch that'll take down scum this cycle! | ||
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##Vote MrZentor bh's case hinges on sinensis's vote for C_C being unsupported, and that his response to bh's questioning was scummy. this is a good case for most ppl, but IMO sinensis is similar to nisani; almost always writes 1 liners, terse posts. u have to read into tone more, and i feel thus far sinensis has been honest. MrZ's vote was also unsupported, response to questioning was also scummy, but he's been very non-transparent and hasn't been active within town as much as Sinensis. | ||
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AKA i'm not going to post a list of reads, sloosh. | ||
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On March 30 2012 14:37 slOosh wrote: Who is nisani and why does he matter? BH's case hinges on sinensis' vote not being unsupported but being supported with very questionable structures. are u actively trying to not read my post? I said who nisani is; posts 1 liners. thus it's easy to pin players like that as scummy b/c they look like they're lurking and being evasive, but u have to look at the big picture. being "unspported" or "supported with very questionable strcutres" is stupid, stupid semantics as usual. Either way, it's a VOTE that one way or another LACKS ADEQUATE SUPPORT. is there any reason you lurked all D1? i almost forgot you were playing, which is fcking weird for you. | ||
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EchelonTee
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1. Who of C3, Sinensis, or MrZ you want dead? 2. Why? (this one is important) 3. go back and do #2 because you didn't do it yet | ||
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sloosh, nemesis, would you be willing to lynch cccalf? people are saying "let someone vig him", which implies there is a consensus that he is scum, but the only person attempting a push is Bluelightz. and what if there isn't a vig T_T | ||
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Some people think cccalf is merely "useless town". others think that he should "definitely die" soon. others think that he is scummy (me, at the least). no one thinks that he is a hapless townie. Comparatively, I think sinensis is a hapless townie. cccalf would be an easy bandwagon kill, for scum. there is a consensus that he should "die" for some reason, and it wouldn't be hard to start a push. yet there's some strange resistance against just killing him outright. There is nearly zero reason to think cccalf is town. any reason you don't want cccalf axed, MrZ? | ||
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![[image loading]](http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lm0fowt5wK1qdlkgg.gif) you'll have your due time gonzee; i've got my plate full with current lynch candidates. @MrZentor post your case on gonzaw, don't do something stupid | ||
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What I'm trying to say is this: the most pro-town thing to do is argue for who you believe is the most likely to be scum, as this early in the game any compromise is likely to backfire and you end up lynching townie when if you'd had stuck to your guns and argued your case then town would have had a better town lynching scum. is one of the most sensible tidbits posted this game. high 5 | ||
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On March 31 2012 12:55 johnnywup wrote: if you dont vote with town you will die. you have more leaning room with me if i feel you're helping the town. voting for ccc isnt helping town. its a waste of vote since he's not doing anything, even if he is scum this post is really really bad lol | ||
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On March 31 2012 14:22 johnnywup wrote: Seriously think about who you're voting for. If you aren't almost certain that the person you're voting for is scum, then don't vote for them. This is literally the last chance we have for winning, so really really think about what you're doing. If we mislynch we lose, and that's that. this is untrue. are you unaware that this is untrue? | ||
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On March 31 2012 13:14 johnnywup wrote: i almost hope ccc doesn't post today so he gets modkilled lol ;; another reason why i think voting ccc would be bad since he might be modkilled anyways this is what I thought in my last game; we were like "Oh TKHawkins is going to be modkilled, no big, he's the scummiest player but we'll let him be offed". Instead he gets replaced, we mislynch someone else and lose the game. Don't depend on modkills. | ||
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and u never answered for your D1 actions. that was before your "switch" or w.e so you can't say that you were acting before. essentially you want town to believe that you acted wildly scummy for two days, yet SOMEHOW u are not scum, as shown by your big fat non-useful post. just... what??? Just because you can write a big post doesn't mean you're analysis is either 1. right 2. from a town player meh I thought you were going to bust out a decent case on someone or even roleclaim, but this is just really really incoherant. I really really reallllllly don't want either MrZ or cccalf alive at LYLO, so scummy it hurts. | ||
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On April 01 2012 06:32 johnnywup wrote: if he last minute votes theres no question he's scum. +1 I also find it funny that MrZ's breadcrumb is "pretending to be scum lololol", instead of "I'm the doctor" -.- probably came up with the fake claim last minute, or when I mentioned I was "expecting a roleclaim". | ||
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not this crap again....... D3 mylo | ||
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On April 01 2012 15:56 zelblade wrote: I agree with sloosh that DYH is probably town. On April 01 2012 15:45 slOosh wrote: p.s. DYH probably townie seeing how D2 unfolded. If cccalf was mafia I'd expect more effort rallying people around MrZentor early in the day when we were discussing possible candidates. Rather, it is quite the opposite with people (of whom Sinensis is included) who suggested and prodded cccalf into the spotlight as an alternative candidate. There is absolutely no reason to think DYH is townie; what sloosh is saying is pure WIFOM; you realize that you rallied people around MrZentor, which corroborates your idea that if cccalf is mafia, they would want to push towards MrZ? What if you're Mafia, mr sloosh? now we're in a situation where we have absolutely no information on cccalf and he is going to be alive in LYLO for the rest of the game. joy. | ||
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On April 02 2012 04:00 slOosh wrote: And since I'm busting these things out might as well post my 3rd. This one I'd be especially wary of - EchelonTee This is a combination of some underhanded accusations here and there, general lack of scumhunting and interactions with Bluelightz and Sinensis. + Show Spoiler [Soft accusations  +On March 28 2012 06:31 EchelonTee wrote: response to ppls about my posting: 1. after I tanked hard in my last town game trying to play "serious aggresive asshole town leader", i'm looking for a new, hopefully less fail-whale town playstyle and you guys are the lucky testing grounds. problem? I'm being way more clear with my "weird wording" than you and you big posts. 2. uhhh you didn't really comment anything about me at all lol. all you did was list a bunch of my posts, noting that one of them was more crAAAzy than the others. however the content of that post is part of an ongoing line of thought on BH. just b/c i posted a gif doesn't make my arguements erratic. It's also really suspect that you say "I'll let somebody else decide". TAKE A STANCE, BE A MAN 3. so essentially you're saying that my play this game is different from my scum play and my town play. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/35/CaptainObvious.jpg) if my posting starts sowing chaos or makes me sound unclear go ahead and call me out brudder, but at the moment your logic don't make sense. On March 30 2012 14:45 EchelonTee wrote: are u actively trying to not read my post? I said who nisani is; posts 1 liners. thus it's easy to pin players like that as scummy b/c they look like they're lurking and being evasive, but u have to look at the big picture. being "unspported" or "supported with very questionable strcutres" is stupid, stupid semantics as usual. Either way, it's a VOTE that one way or another LACKS ADEQUATE SUPPORT. is there any reason you lurked all D1? i almost forgot you were playing, which is fcking weird for you. He has not followed up on any of these - he is willing to call it (or subtly suggest) that it is bad play, but he never once concludes that it could be a scumtell. Just bad play. No follow up. Just really soft pressure. + Show Spoiler [Unwilling to scumhunt] + There are several times that ET does not wish to discuss certain topics or reads for nonsense ideals such as "keeping the thread clean" On March 29 2012 07:24 EchelonTee wrote: ET's mini guide to the nighttime: 1. don't call people town they'll die 2. don't out yourself as a blue you'll die 3. if you think you'll die post your scum reads before deadline. preferrably right before What does this ultimately suggest we do? No discussion at night. Don't try clearing anyone's name, because mafia will shoot them. Lets only talk about how scummy people are. He is promoting a scum-agenda - a night full of only accusations is ideal for sowing distrust and chaos. On March 30 2012 14:38 EchelonTee wrote: they're not on deck to be lynched; i'm not in mood for a cluttered thread. we already have C3, Sinensis, and MrZ as potentials and the fact that i want to talk about them over gonzaw and bluelightz should clue you in to who i think is most scummy at this point. AKA i'm not going to post a list of reads, sloosh. Why does he not want to give out reads on gonzaw and bluelightz? He has already commented that he thinks gonzaw is scummy, but he doesn't want us to talk about him as a candidate? Isn't it convenient that he doesn't have to comment on bluelightz here either, for an invisible "lets keep thread clean" ideal? It was only 7 hours into the day and suddenly asking for his reads will lead to a messy thread? He thinks gonzaw is scum, but won't give his read on him - a fake cover up so he doesn't have to out bluelightz. On March 30 2012 07:03 EchelonTee wrote: WHAT THE FACK AHHHHHHHHHHHHH On March 30 2012 08:00 EchelonTee wrote: my reaction to day post+ Show Spoiler + i was so sure of a VE+jwup scum partnership.... WIFOM mode engage: killing VE is the last thing a scum jwup would want to do; ve was one of his only supporters. mr. wup going on the backburner personally In an 1 hr time span he finds a picture and then decides the best thing to do is WIFOM. This speaks for itself. I'd also recommend pulling up his filter along side Sinensis' and Bluelightz' to see how many times they soft defend each other, and that their "interactions" are very friendly and safe questions / fake (as is the "fight" between Sinensis and Bluelightz where they comment on each other's lurking but never do anything with that). Your first cluster doesn't prove any scumminess at all: there is absolutely nothing with pointing out people's logic is bad. If you actually read what I bolded, you can tell that in that cluster the only person I call suspicious is MrZentor, which is where I put my vote. I call gonzaw "unclear". I don't need to follow that up, he's not my number 1 scumread. I call zelblade's logic "nonsensical". I don't need to follow that up, I was just defending myself. I say that it's weird you lurked all D1. I'm going to follow that up. I say that mr wup's post is bad. It's not a scumtell to post something dumb, I don't need to follow that up. So... yeah. Me talking to other is scummy? damn maybe i should just lurk into oblivion like our friend cccalf. Your second cluster is simply wrong. If you truly believe that giving out reads like candy is pro-town, then you are either unintentially or intentionally forgetting that game that we lost as town. Remember all those idiots posting at night "Oh I think Alderan is town!!! derpa derp". And meanwhile, I and a few other called Janaan "obvious townie" and he gets shot. It is BAD TOWN PLAY to reveal your reads until RIGHT BEFORE THE DEADLINE becuase otherwise SCUM CAN ACT ON IT!!!! It's absurd for you to say that I've been unwilling to scumhunt when your D1 contributions were nil and your D2 contributions were to tunnel MrZ. You aren't dumb, I think you're being willful in ignoring this. When discussing a lynch, the right thing to do is to focus on a handful of candidates. Want to hear my opinion of gonzaw? The fact that he writes really big posts every time means it is hard to dissect his reads. The fact that other people have acted wildly anti-town (sinensis/MrZ sigh...) means that he gets a free pass to look townie if he writes look townie for no good reason. He has also been pushing, in my opinion, townies all game. But is this hard evidence? Nope! am I willing to bet losing this game? Nope!!!! So I push people who I see as more scummy. You calling me suspicious for playing optimally isn't you being dumb; you're smarter than this. 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