A Game of Thrones Mafia

On March 19 2012 10:06 Curu wrote:


Psht you have like 10 cohosts anyways.

On March 20 2012 14:26 Hesmyrr wrote:

dumbledore kills dumbledore
God, how behind on the canon are you?

On March 22 2012 01:35 SamuelLJackson wrote:

What part of MODCONFIRMED UNLYNCHABLE/UNKILLABLE do you not understand? Next person that discusses wbg or engages in any useless conversation with him get's my vote. Consider it like he is not even playing in this game.
/sandroba

On March 22 2012 01:42 gumshoe wrote:


Why waste a hit? I find it hard to believe Scum are going to come forward like that and claim Baelish(it seems to crazy for even a player like Caller) so way I see it where is either a vanilla townie way down below in flea bottom dreaming of some day ruling the kingdom with an iron fist, or hes baelish and we waste a hit/reveal third party to scum.

Personally I think we should stay clear of trying to lynch Baelish, unless someone claims there him just before we kill him, in which case they fully deserve to die as we had already decided. If we lynch Where it should be because we think hes scum, not Baelish, do you really think Where is scum this early in the game?

On March 22 2012 02:14 gumshoe wrote:


Fair enough, the players are pretty good so it's probably not necessary, what do you think of Acrofales?

Also do we want to elect a mayor?

On March 22 2012 02:41 gumshoe wrote:


Wasn't aware, always thought mayors were just achieved through consensus. In regard to Acrofales I'm sure your well aware that my sympathies always go to first time townies who fuck up at the start, but his response was just pure ombus, which was similar to sloosh and ech in suprisingly normal mini mafia, yet the difference was in that game Sloosh and Ech kept fighting blow for blow because they knew they were townies, Acrofales just sort of clammed up. He's not fighting hard enough, which first time newbie townies tend to do way too much. I'm down for voting for him not because of his silly ombus, but because he backed down when pressured.

Acrofales

+ Show Spoiler +

Townies don't just calm down when their under pressure. He's either blue(which is unlikely considering his ombus) a total noob green(also unlikely because he just dropped his hostile tone when the pressure came down) or scum(the most probable)

Acrofales seeing as your lynch is getting to be pretty likely maybe you should role claim? It could help your case, also why did you vote for Mattchew in the first place?

On March 22 2012 03:04 Alderan wrote:
I've played with gumshoe a couple times now, and he always seems to start out slow but then get better and eventually help. He's the kind of person that's going to post enough to eventually hang himself if he is indeed scum, I say we leave him for now.

On March 22 2012 03:22 Mattchew wrote:

explain to me why you are not scum.

you have 90 minutes

On March 22 2012 03:51 wherebugsgo wrote:


herpaderpaherpa

If it wasn't already apparent that the "I'm scum therefore I have to vote myself" was a joke, me saying it now should make it clear.

But enough of that, At the moment I would much prefer lynching GreYMisT over anyone else at this point. Notice how he jumps on the easiest lynch he can find, and then later he turns into more of a "sympathetic townie" where he gives WBG a way out of the lynch (ie being completely and totally baller). in this way a scum GreYMisT would win both ways. He either gets no one lynched or he gets a townie lynched.

On March 22 2012 03:52 Xatalos wrote:


Haha, way to confuse us When I think about it, it didn't seem so serious to begin with, and I didn't think about it too much. Then someone started questioning that statement and got me to also question its meaning.

gumshoe... Yeah, he doesn't seem like a bad target. I voted OriginalName earlier though, to make him react somehow, but he's still missing!

On March 22 2012 07:17 chaoser wrote:
This is like the shittiest fake tunneling ever lol. Jackal would be embarrassed if he saw this lol

On March 22 2012 08:33 DoYouHas wrote:


1. No, not really. Acro's initial posts came off as scummy for reasons I've already mentioned. His posts since have not cleared him in my eyes but they are a big step up from his starting posts. I've left my vote on him because I think he deserves to be under pressure and that pressure produced decent posts from him. Of course, now that I have explained this my vote means very little.

2. I don't like the way mattchew is posting. It is ignoring the fact that not only does he have to prove to himself that he is right, he has to prove to all of us that he is right. His style is alienating people who might agree with him which inherently reduces the value of his posts. You will notice that I am ignoring whether he is right/wrong, scum/town. That is because I don't know. In that last game I was in with him, SNMM7, he had a very similar style and was town. It was equally unhelpful then. So on one hand his meta suggests to me townie, but I find his style to be anti-town.

3. Greymist has pretty clearly aligned himself against Gum/Matt, and for Acro. He has also called BS on a number of things that I think deserved it. Honestly, I expect more from him (also, risk.nuke). Right now I have a null read, but if his trend of small posts continues that will move towards a scum read.

4. I'm going to hold off on that list for a bit. Partially so I can have more time to figure it out, and partially so I can spend more time forming my suspicions and less time defending them.

On March 22 2012 09:41 MrZentor wrote:


I don't care if I die or not.

I just want to know what you prefer.

On March 22 2012 11:00 Alderan wrote:


So your win con is centered around the number of people that die this game?

On March 23 2012 04:19 Alderan wrote:
Just threw in a lip. Let's see if I can't make some sense of the drivel so far in this thread (not a knock on anyone, Day 1 always sucks.

@risk.nuke: Greymist is suspicious to me yes, but for nearly none of the reasons you provided. His comment on wherebugsgo was a joke, at least that's how I took it when I read it. I don't think it was some secret agenda to try to divert town discussion at all (which notably was the entire point of your huge post). I want to wait on Gumshoe to come back before I comment anymore on Greymist though.

@chaoser: No one is trying to give Gumshoe a pass, at least I haven't seen any, but we obviously need more discussion from him. He's been gone since the role claim thing, I'm just not too keen on busting out the pitch forks just yet.

@Zealos: Your contributions to the game thus far are as follows:
- Identify the 2 most common lynch targets.
- Place them into your lynch list.

Thats it. That is incredibly scummy. I shouldn't have to elaborate why.

@DYH: I'm never a fan of the idea that votes=pressure but I agree that Nicholas uses some pretty shotty logic. The coorlation between risk and Greymist is interesting, and something definitely to take not of, but like I said, I'll be commenting on Greymist more a bit later.


Some final thoughts:
- I think Mattchew was tunneling Acrofales to put on some pressure, but I think most can agree he's not as scummy as he once seemed.
- I know I was the one that brought up Oberyn's name first, but I'm not quite sold, again we need to wait for a response. I guess I have the luxury of being available in the hours running up to the deadline, but I urge everyone not to jump on the band wagon that quickly, use your head.
- As per usual, lurkers are killing us right now, we need to keep the conversation going (hence the nature and format of this post).

On March 23 2012 08:13 Alderan wrote:
As for Greymist, I was waiting to say anything because I wanted to read your response post to ensure that I was not wrong on my initial read, and I don't believe I was.

That said, I think Greymist is too experienced a player to actually believe a scum would make the mistakes gumshoe made early on. Any semi competent scum team would have identified gumshoe's posting as weak after asking about the mayor, and coached him through his next few posts.

Instead Greymist suggested that the scum stood idly by and watched Greymist go blue fishing the very first day.....

Right.....

On March 21 2012 23:07 Oberyn wrote:


Lets trust this guy.

On March 24 2012 01:54 Mattchew wrote:
grey, you haven't commented on me either?

On March 24 2012 02:12 Mattchew wrote:


since when do scum have to post with a scum agenda? where does oberyn do this? Evantrees voted, that is something. You took "reading the thread" out of context from my sentence and used it to discredit my read on him. I said his post feels like he is trying to figure things out, not (as you said) knowing everyones role as scum do

On March 24 2012 06:49 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Layabout are you around? Lynch in a bit over 2 hours; do you not care at all who gets lynched? You are at least theoretically in danger of being lynched, though obviously with the current vote spread it's pretty much impossible to lynch scum.

Greymist: he has posted more since then. Have they not made you re-evaluate your opinion at all?

/syllogism

On March 24 2012 07:05 SamuelLJackson wrote:

I'm referring to the content of those posts, are you serious

On March 24 2012 07:10 Acrofales wrote:
Lol. Are we seriously putting our lynch in the hands of either mafia or littlefinger?! This is really retarded. However, I have no idea where to put my vote. My earlier reads were Mattchew, Gumshoe and Zealos. Nobody else seems to want to vote for them, although for the life of me I don't know why not.

I guess I could add Evantrees to my lynch targets, if we're going to policy lynch a hardcore lurker. Another option is to lynch Nicolas. Chaoser said he'll probably be modkilled anyway?

Anything seems better than leaving it so that a mobster switches before the end with some bullshit excuse and we mislynch a townie due to derp. Or WBG jumps and we can't even retaliate by vig shotting him.

On March 24 2012 07:17 Risen wrote:


I approve this wholeheartedly. Changing my vote since no one will vote for you (reasons for which are beyond me, I still think you're the most viable lynch target, but I'm not the only one with an opinion). Still think you need to be shot by a vig Acro. Hopefully enough people can get off other equally useless votes and just lynch the modkilled guy.

We're going to lose Nicolas at lynch time anyways people, in this manner we get a lot more time to see people posting.

This is tough... I think evantrees deserves his death for playing so shitty, but I don't think mafia would sit by while one of their own was being lynched either. Where the fuck is Lyter? Why the focus on evantrees and not lyter who is also lurking just as much? This gives me pause, makes me think evantrees is town and lyter is scum.

On March 24 2012 07:20 chaoser wrote:
posting from hospital, on shift. addressing risk, just because there is a chance others might have posted it doesn't mean greymist posting it is noncontributing. I think I understand your "they are helpful but not TOO helpful" idea in that you think they're relatively "safe" helpful posts to make. Is that correct? But then what is the difference between greymist and any number of players in here making "safe helpful" posts.

I still don't see the "greymist wasn't joking". Curu posted that WBG is unlynchable and unkillable. What kind of "confusion" or "useless discussion" is greymist trying to start by making a statement that's obviously so out there that it could be written off as a joke straight up?

This just looks like you're doubling down on this "greymist wasn't joking" angle aka misrepresenting. What do you think about nicholas?

On March 24 2012 07:21 Acrofales wrote:

Don't read shit into it that's not there. I don't want to policy-lynch, I want to lynch Mattchew, but that is clearly not going to happen. Rather than wasting my vote there and having whoever the fuck wants switch at the last second to mislynch a useful townie, I'd rather policy-lynch a lurker or someone who's going to get modkilled. I chose the modkilled.

Now stop confusing shit more than it is already and consolidate your own vote somewhere useful, or make a better case against Oberyn, because so far it has been: he's useless. He is a lot LESS useless than Evantrees or Nicolas, so if that's your criteria, your vote's in the wrong place.

On March 24 2012 07:24 SamuelLJackson wrote:

How is that frustrating and has town really "collectively switched lynch targets 3 times"? Your frustration doesn't feel genuine to me

On March 24 2012 07:35 layabout wrote:

No, i am basing it off of the need for town to get on the same lynch and the chance that he might actually be scum since oberyn and syllo seem to think he is.

On March 24 2012 07:50 layabout wrote:


That sir, is an untruth!

On March 25 2012 03:33 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Also @WBG were you bullshitting about having day checks? If you were not probably get his role name. Do you mind saying a letter from his role name plus the backwards position (from the end of the word to the begging) number which that letter is? So that mattchew can confirm you have checks. That is if you are feeling kind and generous <3

On March 25 2012 04:03 SamuelLJackson wrote:
It's different when It's me because I know what I'm doing =)

On March 25 2012 04:32 risk.nuke wrote:
Why waste a dt check on greymist to tell us what we who weren't dropped as children already know. If I were a dt I'd check scummy lurkers and crumb the result.

On March 25 2012 05:18 Acrofales wrote:
Okay, I checked WBG's filter. I forgot the bit where WBG said he checked Mattchew. I am going to say it is completely and utterly stupid to suggest we can trust WBG based on this.

WBG says Mattchew is town
WBG says the 5th letter from the right in his role name is an A (pulling this out of my ass)
Mattchew says "holy fuck that's right"!

Conclusion:
Mattchew must be town? Trolololololololol DERP
WBG must be trustworthy? Trololololololololol DERP

Now alternatively Mattchew says "trolololol liar"!

Conclusion:
Mattchew must be scum? Trololololol DERP (btw, I'm not saying he's town, just that it doesn't work in this logic)
WBG must be untrustworthy? Hell yes (but anybody using his brain already knew this)

SLJ: what the hell were you hoping to learn from this? You're a veteran player and basically trolling atm. If you're trying to overtake Gumshoe for the dumbest scum in the game you're doing a pretty good job.

On March 25 2012 05:47 Xatalos wrote:
Where are you, gumshoe? I can't believe you have been offline for this long... Maybe you're just afraid to post more, since it seems like everyone forgot about you after you disappeared? There are other lurkers, but this seems like the most suspicious lurking so far.

SamuelLJackson and GreYMisT, it seems like you both have been online, but why haven't you answered these matters I have been wondering about?

On March 25 2012 06:17 Xatalos wrote:


You mean *from* gumshoe..? I don't think his first posts were all that suspicious either (bad town/Mafia, hard to say), but don't you think his attitude towards the layabout lynch was suspicious? And if you actually think gumshoe is merely a dumb townie, who would you prefer to lynch? Oberyn? I don't still see how he's so suspicious (especially over people like gumshoe, Mattchew, etc.).

On March 25 2012 06:28 Xatalos wrote:


I think that was just because of his massive analysis post... Don't you think it was pretty townie? Who would you want to lynch, if not Oberyn?

On March 25 2012 06:39 wherebugsgo wrote:
I think GreYMisT is colorblind, guys.

What a sad day.

GreYMisT how come you're trying to bus Risen now?

On March 25 2012 06:48 Alderan wrote:


Technically, I didn't even color your name red. What I did do was fail in not voting for you last night.

On March 25 2012 10:46 Risen wrote:
Ok so mafia knows that acro is being lynched either today or tomorrow 100%. What are they going to do now? They can't just discredit me b/c they'll have to vote to lynch me, which will lead to acro lynch day3. They can't ignore me b/c then acro gets lynched today. Maybe they've already given up on acro living past today and just want to act as pro-town as possible since the discussion today will be entirely focused on whether I'm lying or not

If it's decided I'm lying, then I'm lynched and acro is gone tomorrow so all the discussion tomorrow will be useless as well, if it's decided I'm telling the truth acro is lynched today and tomorrow brings fresh discussion. Or the case I'm not bringing up because it's impossible, acro flips town and I'm therefor mafia and discussion today is pointless and discussion tomorrow is pointless as I'm the obvious lynch.

Therefor, I think the best possible outcome for us is lynching acro today. When he flips mafia I'm confirmed town and we're happy as shit and in a really good spot. (Even if he flips town it gives you a free mafia lynch tomorrow, again this won't happen but town is still in a pretty damn decent position)

Sums up any input I'll have today I think. Time for me to go to my movie, I'll be back later folks.

On March 25 2012 13:52 Mattchew wrote:
so if risen is telling the truth im like 3 times confirmed town, and if hes not im like 4 times confirmed town

On March 26 2012 09:03 Xatalos wrote:
If Risen actually is a Detective, he hasn't done a very good job at playing his role... He has created a ton of spam and confusion, undermined the birth of useful discussion, and made us talk about only himself and Acrofales for countless pages. All this seems like Mafia play, although I don't understand why he wants to get himself killed, regardless of his alignment (and him being Detective doesn't even prove that Acrofales is Mafia, so what's the point?). All I can think of is that he is A) a really anti-town Detective or B) a really reckless Mafia player.

There are 8 votes on him already, so I doubt this bandwagon will turn around in these remaining 20(?) hours. So, the wisest move would be to change the focus from arguing about Risen's questionable logic to analyzing the events of the day 1 lynch and especially night 1 kills.

MrZentor already had a good take on DoYouHas earlier: most likely he was killed because of his focus on Alderan or risk.nuke (probably not both, but you never know). He was also quite calm and analytic, which is bad news for Mafia, so it's not 100% certain that Alderan or risk.nuke is Mafia. Still, I would keep a close eye on these two.

Acrofales also made a post about SamuelLJackson, although I don't really agree with his conclusion - the blue kill was most likely just a surprise bonus, and what Mafia really wanted was to stop him from speaking. The reason for that could be any or all of the following: A) he had solid, calm analysis B) he was an experienced player C) he suspected GreYMisT and chaoser. Any one of these reasons would make for a good Mafia kill, and the possible combination of them all would make a very necessary Mafia kill. Think about it: if I was GreYMisT or chaoser and I saw some veteran like SamuelLJackson coming after me, I would want him dead right away. But certainly his experience alone would have made him a good target.

(By the way, gumshoe, how long have you been offline? 3 days? Since nobody else seems interested in you, I'll just leave you on my watch list, but you better do something useful once you reappear from your lurking. Same with evantrees - this guy hasn't really contributed anything yet! Is he aiming for a world record on lurking or something? Try to at least appear useful or you're merely a bandwagon-hopping voting machine...)

On March 27 2012 01:13 risk.nuke wrote:
You keep brining that game up as if it were a defense against you. I was supicious of you because you played scummy. Period. I don't know if it was part of your strategy in order to avoid beeing nightkilled by the mafia because you were a medic or something else but you were forced to roleclaim in order to not get lynched which means I wasn't tunneling you that game. You played poorly and I took notice of that which is a big difference.

I know you are mafia. It's just a matter of time before I can convince the others of it, and I'm not in a rush. I play mafia with my focus on the endgame and you will not survive it so as far as I care, I consider you a lynched man walking. And I got several ideas of whom your scumbuddies might be.

On March 27 2012 09:26 Oberyn wrote:
*cough cough*

Time to listen to everyone explain how bad Risen is and try to convince themselves that their vote was perfectly reasonable.

Maybe if I were a vet, my opinion wouldn't immediately be deemed invalid.

On March 27 2012 21:25 Acrofales wrote:

So, your plan is to ignore all other evidence, kill a townie tomorrow and enter night 4 with no mafia and two wasted days. Boy, I sure like your plan, Mr. Scumbag!

Can I ask a stupid question? If this holds for millers and framed people, why does it not hold for godfathers? If Risen had said I was confirmed town, would I be above all suspicion?
NO. Before starting to play, I read a game here, where a DT checked a godfather and he got lynched anyway, but I can't find it anymore (maybe one of the veterans remembers it). So why hold "red is dead" as a holy grail, when a green check is maintained as suspect?

On March 28 2012 01:52 MrZentor wrote:


You're lucky you aren't replacing chaoser. Everybody thought he was scum, so the day I replaced him, they lynched me.

Fun...

On March 28 2012 22:25 Lyter wrote:
Hmm, the shit appears to have hit the fan today.
I guess if the pm is real, then there was maybe a framing as we've already said back when risen was alive. Fuck knows what would happen then though, would it just a case of 'tough shit town, -1 tracker for you?'

On March 29 2012 08:11 Mattchew wrote:

I would have voted Acro if I thought that it wouldn't lead to a scum decision. If I switched to acro it would have been 9 to 5 meaning only 2 scum have to switch to secure the lynch they want. I figured I'd trust in my fellow townies... lol... and I argued too vehemently against lynching risen to get called a dipshit over it.

On March 29 2012 13:24 Alderan wrote:
I've been away all day at a Game of Thrones premier in Atlanta (the second season is going to be awesome).

I'm happy to see that Greymist is finally being targeted. I've gotten scum vibes from him since Day 1, and he's done very little to support him being town since.

On March 23 2012 04:19 Alderan wrote:
Just threw in a lip. Let's see if I can't make some sense of the drivel so far in this thread (not a knock on anyone, Day 1 always sucks.

@risk.nuke: Greymist is suspicious to me yes, but for nearly none of the reasons you provided. His comment on wherebugsgo was a joke, at least that's how I took it when I read it. I don't think it was some secret agenda to try to divert town discussion at all (which notably was the entire point of your huge post). I want to wait on Gumshoe to come back before I comment anymore on Greymist though.

On March 29 2012 17:43 Zealos wrote:
Lol, night time, derp.
Though after reading over Grey's filter it does seem "Convineint" that whenever the town gets a false lead such as risen, he becomes quiet and leaves us to lynch him, no words for or agaisnt.

On March 30 2012 03:36 Zealos wrote:
I really don't understand what makes me a good lynch target. Day 1 I called out Acro for being suspicious for his first post. I mean, I might have been trying to blend in, but it surely it would have been easier and less suspicious for Acro had I not said anything? Also, when Risen was being lynched anyway, surely as a mafia it would have been better to just vote and not say much, instead I was the one most pushing for the lynch. Why would I put the effort forward to do that as mafia if I knew that he was going to be killed anyway?

On March 30 2012 05:50 Zealos wrote:
So Grey, you planning on defending yourself or switching the topic back to me again?

On March 30 2012 19:13 Zealos wrote:
I know, I won't vote until near the deadline for the voting thread. The votes in here is just my current desision.

On March 31 2012 20:22 Zealos wrote:
I'm voting for Grey because I think he's scum. If I try to make a case against him I become scum, because being an active townie makes you scum according to a lot of the people in this thread.

As for the case against Xata, I have to agree with what you've said, he's clearly quite a waffler, but I want to see him respond to it before taking a firm stance (Does this make me mafia too? )

On April 01 2012 03:21 risk.nuke wrote:

Hey GreyMisT, I didn't know you were here lurking, lol jk. I know you're here lurking. I also know you're mafia because this is an important day to lynch scum but you don't do anything or push anything. Because you're scum and already under alot of heat. So pushing hard for another townie lynch would spell the end for you. Which you probably realised which is why you aren't pushing very hard for my death. At the same time you don't want to bus. So you lurk and do nothing.

On April 05 2012 12:13 chaoser wrote:


why would you even worry about WBG? lol. I didn't reply to a single thing of his all game and just ignored him. A nonkillable/nonlynchable player shouldn't be given any thought. He's just a stump third party.

On April 05 2012 18:10 risk.nuke wrote:
Sorry grey. You didn't seem to care and when you went and lynched layabout I saw red. Combined with the fact that there were only townies voting for your lynch the odds were good you would had been mafia. I don't actually come into these games wanting to tunnel you.

gg scumteam.