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I will not be modkilled Since you seem to ignore my edit  | ||
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 VE is acting rather retarded, but I don't know if that's normal for him. I'll have to take a look at his previous games first. Lynching inactives wouldn't be a bad idea if inactivity becomes a problem. But I'd rather not lynch inactive and actually lynch scum instead if we can help it. | ||
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I'd also like to know a bit more about this post: On March 18 2012 08:07 VisceraEyes wrote: It's called a read Jackal - you know, like the one you're feigning now? I thought we were past these little games Jackal. Previously you said that Jackal was town, and now you say that he is feigning a read? Only scum would have reason to fake a read, what are you trying to say here? | ||
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On March 18 2012 10:17 jcarlsoniv wrote: ##vote johnnywup I shall join VE on this. My gut supa stronk. Last post before I go out. DON'T HIDE YE IRISH SPIRIT Mind explaining your vote? I think that right now you guys are jumping on an easy bandwagon. johnnywup is a new player and this is his first game. Newbie mafias are more likely to lurk and be wishy washy with their post as you say. But he did take a stance that he thought jackal was town, which means that he is not avoiding the issue at all. | ||
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I rather doubt that he is scum as newbie scums depend more on the veteran players on what to do. I doubt that his scummates would have let him do a stupid move for no purpose at all. In essence, I don't see scum MOTIVE on his posts. To quote incognito's guide: What you must be looking at is not necessarily what people do, but how they do it. I'm out for tonight. Jcarlsoniv, I'm hoping by tomorrow that you would have put a reason to your suspicions. | ||
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Probulous, I just took a quick look at your history, and you are usually a lot more helpful when you are not scum. You still haven't even made the list you promised before the game started. Since we're on the subject, we might as well get more discussion. What does the rest of you think about VE's case on jonnywup? That is Jackal, Probulous, and whoever else who haven't given their opinion. | ||
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Explain my vote, eh? Well, I voted quite early in the day. Do you know why? Because I found (and still do find) his posting to be suspicious. So I placed a vote on him. I can find out information this way. But, sorry, I didn't mean to offend you and your scum buddy. And what exactly have you found out since you voted for him since you haven't even questioned him one bit? | ||
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On March 19 2012 01:34 jcarlsoniv wrote: I've found out that, when put under pressure, johnnywup has been very keen on trying to clear his name, claiming he's just vanilla townie, and being very defensive in general. If he REALLY wants people to look elsewhere, he needs to start scumhunting for his own sake instead of just trying to be innocent. Innocent people don't feel the need to be innocent. Guilty people do. UMM NO, that is very horrible reasoning. People get defensive no matter what their role is when put under pressure. Take a look at chaoser in Mafia Factory where he was town and got lynched for being overly defensive. You are doing the same stupid shit here. | ||
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On March 19 2012 01:54 VisceraEyes wrote: Let me ask you this Nemesis. How would you expect a newbScum to react to the pressure I've been applying? You seem to know exactly how a newbTown would react, so surely the converse is true as well, yes? What I am saying is that your case against him is crap, and does not reveal his alignment. All it reveals is that he is a newbie player. | ||
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On March 19 2012 03:18 Snarfs wrote: Hey everyone, Just /confirming now. I've read through the thread and will be putting together some thoughts shortly. It's been 2 hours since then, still gathering your thoughts? | ||
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On March 19 2012 06:46 VisceraEyes wrote: Indeed. ##Unvote: johnnywup Mind explaining the change of heart? | ||
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On March 19 2012 07:19 sandroba wrote: Hey. Let's lynch jackal just for kicks. Jonnywup I'm pretty sure is town. I kinda think VE is town too and I'm expecting him to carry me this game if his reads are half as good as they were in storm mafia. I'm confirmed town masoned with jcarl. Sup. Vote: Jackal Oooh you're finally here. jcarl, want to confirm that claim? And isn't that kind of contradictory? You say that Jonnywup is town and you expect VE to carry you through the game even though he thought jonnywup is scum? | ||
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As I said before, you are usually a lot more helpful as non-scum, and you are usually a bit spammy with your posts. But in here you've only posted once. | ||
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I have to go for a bit for now, but when I come back I'll give you guys my scum read so far. snarfs, mind pointing out which comments I skipped that VE made? I ignored sandroba's question of "what's the point of the question?" because I thought that it was indeed a pretty useless question and wasn't very well thought out. If you are talking about this: On March 19 2012 01:54 VisceraEyes wrote: Let me ask you this Nemesis. How would you expect a newbScum to react to the pressure I've been applying? You seem to know exactly how a newbTown would react, so surely the converse is true as well, yes? I addressed it, but didn't answer it as he expected because it was a stupid question. As I said, what he found to be a scumtell was really just a null tell. I didn't say that it was a newb town tell as he seems to imply with his question. | ||
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Let's start with an analysis of VisceraEyes. I read a bit about his previous gameplay, more specifically storm mafia and BC's Arkham Mafia. In Storm Mafia, he was town and was quite logical and coolheaded. He also had quite good reads on the mafia team. On the other hand, he was scum in BC's Arkham mafia. He was a lot more aggressive and his reads are a lot less logical and nonsensical. He made posts like this which he did not make in his town game: And he also makes posts like this emphasizing how much of a townie he is which again he did not do in storm mafia: On February 08 2012 02:27 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay just woke up and read the thread. layabout isn't receiving nearly the support that I'd hoped, and his response to my question was...non-existent. As such, he's been downgraded to my scum list and subsequently my lynch list. ##Unvote: layabout ##Vote: Liquid`Sheth Palmar, why have you got a hardon for lynching me bro? I'm not scum. I'm the towniest town that ever towned a town. Best CHECK YOSELF. Now then let's take a look at his posts this game: On March 18 2012 07:37 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't want to hear a word about policy lynching a hydra for being a hydra. If you must talk about policy lynching, I prefer to hear arguments for policy lynching inactives as lurking is a very viable mafia strategy. I'd like to take this opportunity to tell everyone that I'm town and definitely NOT scum this game, so feel free to take my posts as you would take them from a confirmed townie. Together, we're going to find the scum and we're going to eliminate the scum. If anyone has a problem with that, they're obviously scum. Smooches. Sounds familiar? Now let's take a look at his case against jonnywup On March 18 2012 10:11 VisceraEyes wrote: All right all right, whatever. How's this for D1? He's tripped a scum-alarm for me, particularly where his read of you is concerned. I found it to be weak and wishywashy. He even goes so far as to clarify that his read of you is "likely to change"...twice he said it. Plus not having much of a reason to state in-thread that he had a town read on you. Like, I have a town read on you, but his first response to my line of questioning was like "I don't know, I can't explain, etc etc." I know exactly why I have a town read on you, and it's quite easy to explain (as I demonstrated). And while I hope that doesn't change, I would never say that it's "likely" to change because I'm working under the assumption that I'm right. So yeah, gonna go ahead and ##Vote: johnnywup ...and see what shakes loose. His main case is on jonnywup was that he said that he was not sure with his read on Jackal being town when questioned about it. As I've already pointed out many times before, this is not a scum read, but rather a newbie read, a null read. This poor read is very contrary to his Storm Mafia play where he actually had 3 of the mafia right in his reads. Now if we also take into consideration the time that he pushed for johnnywup's, it was right after jcarlsoniv posted that he was suspicious of johnnywup. Only then, did VE make a case against johnny. I'm thinking that he is a scum that was trying to avoid responsibility by pushing it into jcarls. Also, his poor read can be seen as a scum trying to push a lynch on a new player that don't know how to defend themselves. It would be an easy lynch that people would not question even if he flipped town. In Summary, his play is not his usual town play and is very similar to his scum play in other games. His push against jonnywup too was also quite scummy. ##Vote: VisceraEyes | ||
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Trying a new style is not a good defense when your town play has degraded. This can be seen in Mr. Wiggles Mini Mafia II with TheToast. Pandain had him pinned in day 1 for playing different with his town play, but no one else was willing to lynch him because he said "he was trying out a new style." Scum ended up winning in that game. Unless this new style is better than his old style, that is not really a good defense. | ||
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I still think VE is scum though, LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH. I'll hopefully make it back before the lynch and read up on things. | ||
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Tobon is just bad. You guys are right in calling him out for his bad play. But bad play =/= scum. My read of him is kind of like bluelightz who just naturally says scummy stuff no matter what his role is. As I've said before look for motive, and I just don't see that in him right now. LYNCH VE, he is scum. He backs off his read after he was called for it, he is doing the same thing that he is accusing jonnywup of doing which makes me think that he did not really think that jonny is scum and just went after what he thought was an easy bandwagon. I'm seriously out for now. | ||
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On March 20 2012 05:06 sandroba wrote: Alright I read through everyone's filter quite some times and I think we should indeed lynch Jackal. If anyone opposes please tell me why. He said previously he didn't have any opinion on snarfs when talking to VE, but he took 3 min to filter him this game, look at the filter I posted from the previous game, compare, think about it and come to the conclusion he is scum. I don't believe that is possible. ##Unvote ##Vote Jackal58 I don't quite buy the case against him, and when he was talking to VE, he said that snarfs was "non-existant." I'm guessing he meant that snarfs was lurking. I'd still prefer a VE lynch right now. The meat of his lynch is that he is lurking, which he seems to do a lot day 1 in other games too. | ||
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I'd be willing to lynch sloosh next day phase, although VE is still my main target. | ||
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The generally tone of your posts are closer to your mafia play than town play which is essentially very aggressive and irrational. And that insistence to lynch jonnywup based on a bad case as pointed out by several other people. You were sure he was scum based on a bad case, the case just feels really forced to try and start an easy bandwagon that no one would question. Yes things have happened, and you are playing less scummy now. But it's not like your alignment can suddenly change halfway through the game. All you really need is one major scumslip to find scum. I see it as you fixing your scumplay once you were called out on it. | ||
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On March 20 2012 11:23 VisceraEyes wrote: That's cool that you're ignoring the obvious so that your conclusion remains the same. How about an easier conclusion to come to, that doesn't revolve around me being so worried about your pressure that I have to somehow change how I'm playing: that I realized that my case on johnnywup was weak (it was) and I decided to look for another target (I did) because I want to kill scum (I do). Eh? Yeah? No? It's cool, your case is weak enough without me debunking it or discrediting you - and I'm going to die, so you'll only have to explain yourself to everyone else tomorrow. But yeah, thanks. That's what I was looking for. Even though you unvoted jonny, you still thought that he was scum at that point. If you really thought he was scum, you should've still pushed for his lynch. But you didn't which suggests that you weren't really buying into your own case from the very beginning. Anyways, no point arguing with you, not like you will suddenly come out and admit you are scum. At no point in the game was your case strong at all LOL. It doesn't matter what point of the game it is, a weak case is a weak case. | ||
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Anyways, I'm out for now, time to sleep. | ||
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I'm willing to let go of lynching you, and look elsewhere for now. | ||
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On March 21 2012 07:14 VisceraEyes wrote: Any particular reason for the change of heart? I've been rereading your other games in more detail instead of skimming through it. It seems that you just act a little retarded no matter what your alignment is. Anyways I'm going to be taking a look at sloosh's latest posts. | ||
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On March 21 2012 00:31 slOosh wrote: Hindsight is 20-20. I wasn't willing to blindly believe the mason claim as it could have been a gutsy mafia ploy - just because it was improbable doesn't mean it was impossible, and therefore I was wary of the possibility. Yes I was scared because it could have been a mislynch with net result 1 dead townie and no voting pattern information. The post should also make sense if I was suspected the possibility of Sandroba being mafia and pulling off a mislynch with no repercussions, which I did. You are approaching this with confirmation bias. I didn't say Jackal isn't scum - I said I don't see him as scum, that I see him as null and that I don't think a null lynch is a good idea. And if you interpret my post to think I am subtly suggesting people take their votes off then I really don't know how to defend myself there because I just did what I thought best, and if it came off that way then what can I do? Inability to clearly express thoughts is a neutral tell - if you think I am intentionally obfuscating my posts than say so, but calling my ability to post clearly / play mafia as bad is just smearing mud on my name. On March 20 2012 03:01 slOosh wrote: Mentions that Nemesis lynch is unviable for today in his explanation of unvote and in the same sentence says that he likes Nemesis' response and vote on VE (from which I infer he is leaning town read?). You can unvote someone because you now think they are town or if you want to avoid no-lynch and vote another mafia but I don't see how you can do both. Plus town Sandroba is boss. ##Unvote: xsksc ##Vote: Snarfs Probulous can you weigh in on Snarfs' posting this game? I know you played with him in Wiggle's mini not too long ago as well. Ok what, you were scared of sandroba being scum when you just said that you had a town red in there when you bandwagoned him with snarfs? Also, your defense as to why you are playing differently this game is similar to this, which is a game where you rolled scum On February 27 2012 13:02 slOosh wrote: I decided to take a slower approach to the game. Last game I came out guns blazing, argued with a townie and then tunneled another one hard, allowing mafia to lurk and get away with posting fluff. I really want to fight my tendencies to tunnel / confirmation bias so I'm taking it as slow as I can. But being mindful of a deadline, I'll try posting what I have progressively rather than waiting until the eleventh hour to post a big case. Hopefully this will quell paranoia and promote a healthy town atmosphere. My current suspicions are on: ghost_403 I'm really not sure if this is unintentional anti-town play or soft pushing mafia agenda. He seems to advocate, in the event we can't agree on a good mafia suspect, lurker lynches. Lurker lynches are good, but only to flush mafia out of hiding, as he says so himself. Right now this is a null post to me as I can see both town or mafia thinking this. However: His stance is consistent but questionable. He wants to lynch, not pressure to get people to post and produce content and thus flush out mafia. It's almost like he will policy lynch a lurker. Still null, but worth looking into. There is a heavy fixation with lynching. It's no longer a means flush out lurking mafia from hiding. He threatens at least 3 active posters with the lynch. He emphasizes over and over that we have to lynch no matter the circumstances. Even if we don't have a good case, he is willing to lynch lurkers, unhelpful townies, and seemingly anything. I'm trying to see what motives a townie might have for needing to get lynches so badly, and I can't think of anything. ##FOS: ghost_403. (I'm ending it with FOS rather than a vote since I really want other people's input as I think that is the best way I don't go tunnel mode). ##Vote: slOosh | ||
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I wasn't willing to blindly believe the mason claim as it could have been a gutsy mafia ploy This is inconsistent with your previous vote and previous read: On March 20 2012 03:01 slOosh wrote: Mentions that Nemesis lynch is unviable for today in his explanation of unvote and in the same sentence says that he likes Nemesis' response and vote on VE (from which I infer he is leaning town read?). You can unvote someone because you now think they are town or if you want to avoid no-lynch and vote another mafia but I don't see how you can do both. Plus town Sandroba is boss. ##Unvote: xsksc ##Vote: Snarfs Probulous can you weigh in on Snarfs' posting this game? I know you played with him in Wiggle's mini not too long ago as well. Mind addressing that. You mentioned previously that you thought sandroba was town, and hopped in the bandwagon against snarfs. But when he pushed against Jackal, you suddenly changed your mind and thought sandroba was scum? | ||
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I read through a bit about your other games, and it says there that you are attending class everyday and a student? I highly doubt that you have time for both, so which is it? | ||
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I don't know what to say at this point, I know I am rather looking quite scummy now. | ||
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As to who I would lynch right now I'm not sure, but I would take a look at Tobon for not being on the day 1 lynch. I find it more likely that the remaining mafia bussed their teammate on day 2 than on day 1 as I think everyone else in day 2 who weren't on probulous are town. | ||
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On March 23 2012 08:02 Toad_in_Pink_Dress wrote: Is it bad that i'm annoyed at how dumb that switch was? Oh well, time to go 3/3. and kill Nemesis I wish i could have had an answer to this earlier. Dirkzor, do you still think that slOosh is scum? Sorry, I missed it. But obviously since I wasn't pushing VE anymore, I thought he was town. | ||
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I had pretty bad reads for my first game in mafia in something like 1.5 years D: | ||
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I think there might've been a little too many blue roles this game. | ||
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