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I would strongly recommend against claiming items for the moment, because it would add a ton of initially useless information to the thread, and it would be ridiculously easy to fake having/not having any kind of item. As we have no idea what items can and can't do, we don't really have a way of confirming that any claimed items work as claimed, or even exist. | ||
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Drazerk, how is it in the town's interest to essentially kill a player at random? Also, why wouldn't you claim before vigging to actually confirm that it was your action? Doing so afterwards raises much more suspicion. I'm going to assume that, as per the OP, that mafia will flip red. Third parties, indeed. | ||
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On March 17 2012 09:29 Jayjay54 wrote: I also want to point out the possibility of wheatley betraying us later on. For anyone who hasn't played portal 2: He gets the successor of Glados and basically gets insane and stuff. He will be a cute robot now, but I gotta feeling he won't stay that way. That is possible, but I still think it's in our best interests to keep the "special ability" out of the hands of the scum. If it turns out to be anti-town, we can presumably just choose not to use it, and having the information will also help. I am willing to stand for election. As all I get is access to the "special ability," and not a day 1 lynch, my campaign pledge will be to be completely transparent about the "special ability", if elected. I would be willing to fully disclose its details to the town, and then we could decide from there whether and how to use it. If, as Jayjay suggests, I am later forced to become a maniacal killer, then we'll just have to deal with that eventuality when it comes :D. | ||
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On March 17 2012 09:35 MidnightGladius wrote: That is possible, but I still think it's in our best interests to keep the "special ability" out of the hands of the scum. If it turns out to be anti-town, we can presumably just choose not to use it, and having the information will also help. I am willing to stand for election. As all I get is access to the "special ability," and not a day 1 lynch, my campaign pledge will be to be completely transparent about the "special ability", if elected. I would be willing to fully disclose its details to the town, and then we could decide from there whether and how to use it. If, as Jayjay suggests, I am later forced to become a maniacal killer, then we'll just have to deal with that eventuality when it comes :D. EBWOP: Ah, the joy of democracy. I had forgotten that I could vote for myself. ##Elect: MidnightGladius | ||
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On March 17 2012 10:00 Drazerk wrote: I propose Velinath gets Wheatley then - I have my reasons but I am going to need you to trust me on this one other whys I might screw towns chances at victory. ##Elect: Velinath On March 17 2012 10:02 Drazerk wrote:We should not trust anyone with Wheatley and just presumed they lied about the ability. What do you mean by this? | ||
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1. Zephirdd: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=111188 2. Mr. Wiggles: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=99050 3. Vaderseven: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=39803 4. Velinath: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=164004 5. Jayjay54: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=125084 6. Kitaman27: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=46535 7. Ghost_403: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=104946 8. MidnightGladius: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=30191 9. gonzaw: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=237527 10. Kenpachi: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=51151 11. blzinghand: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=133498 12. Sinani206: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=128360 13. Lanaia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=154975 14. Paperscraps: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=62048 15. Bluelightz: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=235418 16. Nisani201: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=105586 17. Hassybaby: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=129007 18. Drazerk: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=107918 19. Adam4167: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=192320 20. Grackaroni: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=198851 21. Cwave: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=232648 22. Cyber_Cheese: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=87276 23. RayzorFlash: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=129351 24. Zelblade: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=240873 25. Foolishness: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=47499 26. Sbrubbles: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=118447 27. VisceraEyes: Melichor the Endesleid, the Shadowsinger, was consumed by Shadow and Flame day1! 28. blubbdavid: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=60919 29. Phagga: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=248181 30. Maverick32x: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=174863 31. Dirk Hardpec: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=256233 | ||
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On March 17 2012 10:19 Drazerk wrote: I know he is the same as me or a DT. Either way I am certain he is not scum and so gets my vote and I want you to vote for him. If that is the case, and we end up having to deal with renegade Wheatley, we'll be losing a PR. Why not elect a vanilla town like me, instead? | ||
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On March 17 2012 10:32 Blazinghand wrote: Are you claiming to be a town-aligned Vanilla Townie? I have no power roles, and I win with the town. How does that make me anything other than vanilla town? | ||
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On March 17 2012 10:58 Kenpachi wrote: kk so i lied. im actually not townie but i get super powers if a majority types ##Vote: GLaDOS Also elect me for Wheatly. itll help a lot. Without a majority of players even active, any discussion about this is just going to clutter up the thread, and you don't even give us any details for us to discuss. Surely you didn't expect a majority of players to just do what you told them to, without any evidence or support :D. What were you trying to accomplish with this sequence of posts? | ||
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I think Drazerk is lying out of his teeth to keep us distracted. His claim details make no sense at all, especially the way he did it. He claims to have been the Balrog all along, but only claimed the name after his supposed win con change, ie the change from a decidedly non-Balrog wincon (benevolent survivor) to the exact Balrog wincon, plus the item clause. Something here just doesn't add up, especially when combined with his earlier shot/Velinath buddying/item grab declaration/Velinath disowning. If he, as he says, wants us to hunt scum and not third party, then his behavior certainly doesn't support that. Let's suppose that his initial win condition is to survive until the end with the town, but then he shoots randomly into VisceraEyes (unless now he wants to claim that he used his supposed day-DT item on him, which would further contradict his earlier statements). Why would a benevolent survivor do that? Surely a town vigilante would pick his or her targets more carefully, and Drazerk claims that he isn't compulsive, so that argument doesn't hold, either. If his wincon now is to kill Gandalf, then I have no reason to think that Drazerk is town-aligned. ##Vote: Drazerk Additionally, I would like to reaffirm that I'm just as qualified to be Wheatley as any other player here, in that I've promised complete transparency and cooperation. I find the fact that no one even mentions me as a candidate to be rather bizarre. | ||
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Attack my posts or my behavior, don't just default to that worthless line of defense. | ||
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On March 18 2012 03:15 sinani206 wrote: but i stil dont think we should kill drazerk Why not? What makes him confirmed town to you? | ||
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Kenpachi's also been scattering the town's concentration with his glados voting and the nonsensical party with blazinghand. I don't like that at all, but I take it that this is what he usually does, and I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. If he doesn't actually start contributing soon, or continues to attempt to derail, then that could quickly change. Wiggles is making decent sense to me, but I wish he'd read a bit more carefully. He's already slipped up once in terms of comprehension (thinking Drazerk had given an item instead of using it). His latest analysis is solid. | ||
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On March 18 2012 04:28 Lanaia wrote: Not lynching drazerk, but I will not trust him. At another point, I'd be fine with it. In the past few pages (since I went to bed at least), I've not liked Velinath. The way he's reinforcing that he's town, not third party is definitely rubbing me the wrong way. I do agree with Foolishness in regards to his vote on dirk hardpec or whatever his name is. His only post is fluff. I don't even understand why he felt compelled to say it. The wording feels incredibly forced. "In sense, it makes no sense from a balance standpoint to create a third party in a game, and then make it possible for us to leave that third party alive, might as well be town then." I've been in a group similar to that in a different game, but we only had to live until Cthulhu arrived (however, we were all shot by then), so I'm sure it's not impossible. Why doesn't it make sense from a balance point, dirk hardpec? After he replies, I'll make my decision of whether or not I vote him. I'd like to hear from Cyber. He hasn't posted since his /in. The people I'd like to elect aren't even running. I guess this means I should be electing blazinghand because I'd changed my mind about velinath. To clarify: Drazerk is not currently of the same faction as VE was, right? I just need to make sure I understand this. Who would you like to lynch if not Drazerk? If you'd be fine with it at another point, why not now? What about Velinath is suspicious to you? Do you also believe that there are only third parties, no town? In that, you seem to share the opinion of Blazinghand, who you're also voting to elect. Is that why? You don't give any other reasoning, and yet you say your favored candidate isn't even in the running. Your town reads are Wiggles and Jay? In short, much of what you say is unclear. Please explain where your suspicions lie, and why there lie where they do. We have no way of knowing what Drazerk's faction is, but the reasoning is that if he were also a Sleeper Agent, he wouldn't shoot and risk hitting another Agent. | ||
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On March 18 2012 04:30 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Also, I forgot I wanted to write in that post, but it might not be the best idea to lynch Drazerk anymore after his claim. Instead, some townie with KP should send in his night action as soon as the night post goes up to kill Drazerk, due to the way items work. I don't know if action resolution is set in stone, or based on who sent in the kill first, so we should try to be better safe than sorry, and not let scum get that item. Suicide lynching Draz isn't very good, because the third parties won't vote for him, cell members will try to avoid it, and mafia wouldn't put more than a couple people on him. That means we would end up lynching with *just* reaching majority, and chances are most of the people will be town and we'll lose members without taking out extra scum. So, not exactly worth the 2 for 1 trade. Thoughts? I don't believe his claim at all. Also, consider that if someone night-kills him, that player will end up with his alleged item, so it doesn't help the town to potentially pass it to mafia/another 3rd-party with KP. In fact, I think it would be in the town's best interest to detonate it sooner rather than later. Heaven forbid the game come down to LYLO with it still running around. | ||
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Kenpachi, in light of your recent discovery, do you still want to kill GlaDOS? If not, do you have anything more to say about any of the actual players here? If not, can you please stop spamming? Grackaroni, I'm still not willing to trust any of Drazerk's claims, especially ones hinging on abilities he may or may not have used, and items that may or may not have even existed. I doubt that Velinath is a Planar Dragon. A third party would probably not seek an elected role that came with so many conditions and threats. Speaking of items, the Anger Core obviously never existed, and I doubt Drazerk started with any items in the first place. So someone should have a corrupted Portal Gun, and beyond that, nothing. If anyone wants lemons, they should grow a lemon tree. | ||
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Grackaroni, now you're being a bit too silly :D. | ||
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Cwave and Cyber_Cheese are two of the more hardcore lurkers, and this seems really uncharacteristic of them, going from their past games. However, they've both given their reasons and promised to step up before the end of Night 1, so I don't think it would be fair to shoot them now before they've had a chance to make good on their promises. I would like to focus more on players like ghost_403, who promised a case on Dirk but never got around to it. Nisani claims to not be lurking, after being surprised that he's not on anyone's lurker list, but he also doesn't follow it up with content. I would really like you two to add to the discussion, which admittedly isn't really moving at the moment. | ||
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The 3 "burned to death" deaths have a detail that seems unlikely to be coincidental: the three players are right next to each other on the player list. This sounds exactly like the RPG item described in the original "Blackaller Market," which leads me to a few conclusions: - "burned to death" is probably not the mafia kill flavor - The original target was Cyber_Cheese. Cwave and RayzorFlash were collateral damage - The mafia killed one of gonzaw, Blazinghand, or Foolishness. As gonzaw was obviously killed by KALTHAZAR, the mafia must have killed one of BH or Foolishness, and the other was more likely hit by 3rd party or a 2nd mafia KP than a town-aligned vigilante. Ultimately, I highly doubt that mafia has 3 KP right now. I don't want to kill GlaDOS. I think doing so would be an excruciatingly bad idea. I'm still not impressed with ghost's posting since after I noted him as lurking. He clearly didn't read properly about Kenpachi's campaign to kill GlaDOS, and he's only been making some general comments, without making any direct scum reads. That offer still stands, by the way. | ||
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Kita, everyone I've posted about my role has been true. When I said that I had no role abilities and won with the town, that was in the context of people worrying that a PR Wheatley might have to be killed later on if his win-condition changed. Wiggles, that last post of yours says an awful lot of nothing. Why bother making it? You defend yourself against kita by saying that you're not going to bother defending against him, and then you post an unusually long string of fluff. I hope that your upcoming reads are solid, because otherwise I'm not getting a great town read from you, and I would hate to have for you to be on a team opposed to us. Zeph and david: Seriously? If you're here, you might as well be contributing. This thread is near dead compared to where it was yesterday. | ||
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On March 21 2012 07:52 Sbrubbles wrote: Few questions here: @Midnight + Show Spoiler + On March 21 2012 06:40 MidnightGladius wrote: Did anyone else get item-blocked by the Breaker card, or was it just me? Kita, everyone I've posted about my role has been true. When I said that I had no role abilities and won with the town, that was in the context of people worrying that a PR Wheatley might have to be killed later on if his win-condition changed. Midnight, can you share with us what you meant by the "item-blocked" thing? Also, what's up with this: At the same time that Grey posted the card in the thread, I received a PM from him telling me that my items have been disabled. I was not told the duration of the effect, so it might be 1 day, 1 cycle, or forever. At first I was wondering whether it was a targeted effect or a global effect. Now it's clear that someone targeted me. /shakes fist On March 21 2012 07:52 Sbrubbles wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On March 19 2012 11:59 Grackaroni wrote: I'm a 4th party role. I am unlynchable, bullet proof and I win with all possible roles/factions. Once per day/night cycle I must plant a lemon tree. My win condition is that I must collect the entire game's supply of lemons. My only weakness is that I am susceptible to poisoned lemons.... In reality, MidnightGladius said that people looking for lemons should grow a lemon tree... so i grew a lemon tree. It did nothing, and has no meaning. I haven't gotten anymore lemons but it's no big deal... unless of course I was telling the truth about my above role. On March 19 2012 12:12 Grackaroni wrote: Because MG is masoned with me and has a similar role. He is trying to collect potatoes. he just posted the bit about the lemons to make my lemon tree planting seem less suspicious Anyone trying to get potatoes? grow them. As far as I can tell, your only response was to call him silly. Did I miss something? I made an offhand remark about the lemon trade discussion (telling people they should just grow their own lemons), and Grack tried planting a lemon tree in the thread. Gonzaw then freaked out and started asking him about it, and Grack claimed 4th party lemon tree grower in response. I thought it was an obvious joke, Grack later confirmed that he wasn't serious, and I'll confirm again that I'm not masoned with him, and I win with town, not by collecting potatoes <3 I will support the lynch on Dirk, pending his defense. Anything you can say about his role, JJ, or should we just believe that in good faith? I also wouldn't mind Nisani getting vigged, he responded to my pressure with a bunch of one-liners, and he still hasn't posted any reads.. | ||
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Regardless, Bluelightz's list response to kita looks really shaky, and he hasn't responded to most of the questions put to him. I'm also confused by why he would marginalize his own case against Kenpachi by putting it in quotes. He also mentions wanting to lynch Sinani even before Kenpachi, which indicates that he either isn't reading, or is subtly trying to derail with a discussion of Jayjay's claim. Either way, he clearly isn't putting much effort into this game, even compared to the other games he's concurrently playing, and he clearly doesn't have the town's interests in mind. ##Vote: Bluelightz | ||
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On March 22 2012 01:46 kitaman27 wrote: So you're willing to give him the benefit of the doubt after constructing a poor case, yet before you stated that you would support his lynch? Why does a anti-town action make you less willing to lynch him? This has already been answered, but I trust JayJay's claim about Dirk, contingent on his claim about Nisani. I've had a town read on JayJay for a while now, and as it makes no sense for him to lie about Nisani, I just don't see any motivations for him to lie about Dirk. His weak case notwithstanding, I don't think that he is the correct lynch today. I'm also taking a look at the votes as they stand now, and I've noticed something real bizarre. Bluelightz votes for Kenpachi in the thread here (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13997915) but never votes for him in the voting thread. Afterwards, a ton of people cast votes without a corresponding ##Vote in the thread, which makes it really difficult for me to see who actually justified their vote. Here are the players that cast a vote without making a post in the thread at around the same time: - blubbdavid (on Bluelightz): posts a weak attack on Bluelightz 2 hours before voting, - Paperscraps (on Dirk): votes 5 hours after his last post in the thread. After we lynch Bluelightz today, I would definitely take a further look at these two. | ||
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On March 22 2012 04:10 blubbdavid wrote: I don't understand this. You are voting for bluelightz too. I forgot to cast my vote after the case so I ninja'd it. But still, I am the first one to cast his vote on bluelightz (this day). Ninja voting is very, very bad, and the fact that you admit to doing it, but didn't say so earlier without being prompted makes me very suspicious. The fact that I'm also voting for Bluelightz is not the point of contention here. Ironically enough, I'm more certain of his guilt because of his voting abnormality, and you claim that it's not a big deal? If we can't connect people's private thought processes to their public votes, then it becomes way easier to hide as scum. For example, when Maverick ninja voted earlier, he immediately explained it the next day and provided reasoning for his vote (granted he was drunk on St. Patrick's Day, but the point stands). Things like that establish transparency, and it makes it possible to do ex post vote analysis. While you're here, what were you trying to achieve by asking Kenpachi and Grackaroni their roles? Did you think that they would actually give you an answer? | ||
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I'm willing to believe zelblade's claim. His posting so far has been pro-town, and he handled the earlier sleeper agent accusation rather well. Barring other circumstances, I'd be willing to lynch kitaman today. His flip will also help explain the interactions between him, Dirk, and Jayjay. Foolishness, glad to have you back, though a role that forces you to post in limericks and then doesn't let you die in peace sounds like no fun at all :D. You mentioned keeping up to date with the thread while you were dead. Do you have any reads for us? | ||
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"Drowned in a sea of madness" could well be the sleeper cell kills, as BH and Zeph also make sense as scum kills, and I think the "burned to death" deaths are town-aligned, or are at least in the interests of town (killing lurkers). The Lord of the Rift kill was probably one-shot, which suggests that the 4 "great powers" 3rd party each have one-shot unblockable KP, and that there are 2 more unused shots. I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that they have similar win-conditions, where each "great power" is trying to kill one of the other 3. If this were the case, one would already have "won" and now only needs to survive. Perhaps this might even explain Dirk's behavior: he clearly can play this game very well, but has chosen to basically sit back and do nothing. It could be because he's already won. If, as according to Jayjay, Dirk can telepathically mason with people at will, then it might be indicative of him being a "great power." Obviously, these are tentative conjectures, and I'd much rather stick with lynching someone like kita, nisani, or sbrubbles today, but I think it's worth taking into consideration. Also, note that the destabilization level didn't rise further today. Clearly, the Lord of the Rift didn't get the Engine from gonzaw. One small victory for us, at least. Velinath, are we supposed to trust ghost to also be transparent and use the item for the good of the town? From his last post, it surely doesn't seem like it :/. I would personally have felt much more comfortable if you had just used the item yourself and announced it. | ||
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I assume that Maverick watched Dirk and didn't track willz, because if so, he would have known that willz had visited multiple people. Just to clarify, though, confirm that you did watch Dirk. Did anyone else visit him besides willz? | ||
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Forgot to add: It would make a lot more sense for Mav to be watching Dirk than for Mav to be tracking willz. | ||
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However, I have to take two midterms today before my Spring Break starts, so I won't be able to properly build cases until later this evening (and to be honest I probably shouldn't have been playing at all these last few days :S). For now, ##Vote: Nisani | ||
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On March 25 2012 05:40 GreYMisT wrote: Vote Count! Nisani201 (8): Jayjay54, MidnightGladius, Kenpachi, sinani206, Mementoss, Ghost_403, Hassybaby, The Dark Magician Sinani206 (11): velinath, Sbrubbles, Maverick32x, Mr. Wiggles, Adam4167, phagga, blubbdavid, Nisani201, Foolishness, zelblade, kitaman27 With 20 Alive it takes 11 to lynch! the day ends in 2 hours and 30 minutes! 3 people still havn't voted! Must be nice to be a double voter, eh, Hassybaby? Nisani, I still don't believe your innocence, but it would be awfully nice if you made an item that would reveal to all the role PMs, or at least the alignments, of the people whose flips were hidden during Night 1. | ||
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I'm tempted to think that the Aperture Science mafia team is dead. Paperscraps' ability, coupled with the fact that he's been sending in kills these past two nights, strongly suggest that he was the last mafia member. [g]Now that Yugi is dead, and a full cycle has passed, am I still under the effect of the Spell Breaker item-blocking effect?[/g] | ||
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On March 26 2012 09:08 ghost_403 wrote: Maybe this is obvious, but what makes you think that? We're only down two confirmed mafia members at the moment. The likelyhood that two of them died night 1 is pretty low. I guess we'll know for sure after the next night. I'd love to ask Veli for more info on the kingmaker thing just played. In his earlier post, he indicated that there would be some sort of list, but I don't know what for. The fact that it was given to JJ does seem weird, but I don't know what to make of that. So far, haven't read anything that rules out the possibility of a scum inventor, but if Nisani is going to play nice, we should definitely keep him around. Paperscraps' ability says that he can't both send in kills and use his burn ability unless he's the only member of his team remaining. As we know his kill flavor (was discouraged), we see that he was responsible for deaths on consecutive nights. If the mafia team has more members, they surely wouldn't want to give up KP by having Paperscraps send in any kills, but that looks to have happened. The alternative is that there are multiple roles capable of dealing .5kp, and that Paperscraps took 2 cycles to kill one player and then killed another player who had already taken .5kp of damage. It's not guaranteed, but I think the first alternative is far more likely than the second. | ||
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On March 26 2012 09:16 Jayjay54 wrote: oh, I totally forgot about that. was anyone ever involved with the black market? is there even anyone who claims making me king? I was given access to the black market by other players. I do believe that Velinath, under the alias iloveoov, bought the watcher that he gave to ghost, and this kingmaker item, which he presumably trusted with you. | ||
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On March 26 2012 09:28 Jayjay54 wrote: I think you misunderstood. Any scum player can carry out the mafia KP with the depending flavour. If he is the last player he can do the kill AND have his ability. Actually this indicates, that there's another member around with a better ability than his. Then again, it's 2:30 am. From the flip: You may also carry out kills on behalf of aperture science in the place of using your powers( you may perform both if you are the last remaining member). Emphasis mine, and note the parenthetical clause. On March 26 2012 09:29 Jayjay54 wrote: interesting, why the hell are you in that black market thing? and do you have currency? also, does the market still exist? I think now is a good time to claim, so please read closely. I am a member of House Chezinu, 5th Party, a mason group consisting of me, Maverick, and gonzaw. We are aligned with the town, and Maverick and gonzaw breadcrumbed this with the first letters of their sentences during the beginning of the game (I didn't bother, because I was lazy :D). Gonzaw's plan was to claim the engine to draw fire, while actually giving it to one of us for protection. The details of his role flip would have allowed us to claim safely, and then we would have blanked one or more 3rd-party kill (which I still think are oneshot) and confirmed 2 town players. The masked flip made this plan not work as intended, so we've waited until now to reveal ourselves. As an additional perk of being in the House, we elected me to be a member of the Black Market. My alias is BoxeR, and I used my 400$ to buy a kp and a watcher. However, at this time the Spell Breaker disabled my use of items, so I gave them to Maverick, who watched Dirk and attempted to shoot Nisani. However, due to failing to PM all 3 of the mods, his shot didn't go through, and Nisani claimed in the following day. Maverick then shot Paperscraps last night, but apparently it was superceded by the "Burned to Death" player. I currently have 0$, but I do have 5 "Evidence Packets," which each are a one-shot framer item. I put them up for sale, but no one has shown interest in buying them. The Market still exists. Today's auction item is "Delicious Cake," which enforces a posting restriction on a player so that they can't post for 24 hours. No one has yet to bid on it. Kitaman, I can't disclose the full contents of the QT per rules, but I can tell you that there seem to have been 3 active participants: Me, Velinath, and one other, who bought the Companion Cube and was offering to sell letters (1-shot PMs). However, none of these were purchased either. There could be more participants, but if so, they haven't posted yet. | ||
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Regarding the Black Market, I just looked back and there are 2 more posters in it, but they haven't posted anything since the very first day/night cycle. Most of the posts in there are bids and offers, so there isn't much to analyze in terms of style. | ||
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On March 26 2012 10:14 Jayjay54 wrote: midnight, if paper would have been the last member, they had 1 1/2 kp each night (he can use both the kp and the ability if he's the last alive), which would kill three persons instead of two. there's at least one more and he has an ability worth sacrificing half a KP. also, this mason network confuses me. we're 13 now if I counted right. There's (assumptions!) 2-3 thirds around, 1 scum and 2-3 cell. Which is around 6 anti town. I was specifically advised that scum may have masons. Do you guys have a QT? How many unique viewers do you have? This is fishy. going to bed now. totally exhausted. I'll hand my final thesis in tomorrow! Yay for master's degree! Jayjay, Night 1, he burns a player. (Grack) ------ I hypothesize that one of the hidden flips was Aperture mafia Night 2, he burns a player. (Grack dies) ----- Bluelightz is lynched, leaving Paperscraps as the last Aperture mafia Night 3, he burns a player and sends in a kill. (Hassy dies, presumably .5kp leftover) Our QT's number of unique views (16) was modconfirmed to be limited to the three of us, and the mods. | ||
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On March 26 2012 10:27 Sbrubbles wrote: Wow ... this is quite a lot to take in, Midnight. Still, I really hope you're telling the truth, if only because I wouldn't know what to do if we figured that the kingmaker item was bought by scum (not Velinath) and JJ was one of them. Tell me, what's the relationship between you two and Foolishness? I had him pegged as town for reviving after being killed by mafia, but clearly he knew about you two (and you two about him). What's going on? + Show Spoiler + On March 18 2012 03:51 Foolishness wrote: Lots of shit will happen in this town. So before you can show a frown I ask of you don't look for clues and to Chezinu I am not brown. I assume you still have your kp? If your kill was superceded, then your item must have been refunded. Last thing: not that I don't believe you, but I just can't see any breadcrumbing in Maverick and Gonzaw's posts. Can you elaborate? I know nothing of Foolishness, and I have no idea what he knows about us. I would actually love for him to explain that bit to me, as well. I don't know if Maverick's kp was refunded or not, but I've played in games where stacking shots are refunded, or aren't refunded. Gonzaw's breadcrumb is the first letter of each of his posts, starting with: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13948366 There a couple of messed up places, but it reads: MAVE_RI__CK MIDNIGHT ARE HOUSE CH_E__ZINU FIFT_ PARTY Maverick did a similar thing, I can dig it up too, if you want. | ||
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I told Maverick to watch Dirk during Night 2, and he told me in the QT that Dirk was visited by Willz and Kita. Yet you claim to have protected Dirk that night as well. Needless to say, I trust Maverick far more than I trust you, but can you offer an explanation for why this might be? | ||
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On March 27 2012 02:59 MidnightGladius wrote: Hmm, discrepancies... interesting :D. I told Maverick to watch Dirk during Night 2, and he told me in the QT that Dirk was visited by Willz and Kita. Yet you claim to have protected Dirk that night as well. Needless to say, I trust Maverick far more than I trust you, but can you offer an explanation for why this might be? Ninja'd by Mementoss' typo >_> | ||
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I'm going to guess for now that you and the Lord of the Rift stacked their shots on gonzaw, and that the other one took precedence, unless you want to claim "friendship flames" as an actual ability . That would imply that you had 4kp during that cycle, which seems kind of... absurdly strong. | ||
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Additionally, this player has some number of Letters (one-shot PMs), and no one else has bought any of them, so if any of you have been receiving such forms of communications, it should be this player. Kita, I'm kind of annoyed that you used the Color Radiator yourself instead of giving it to someone more likely to have the town's best interests in mind, because then we likely wouldn't have to deal with the off chance of you lying about it. However, the fact that the four players haven't responded particularly well also troubles me, and I would be entirely fine with Wiggles dying today. I also will note that the Radiator returned 1 Mafia. This likely means that there exists a mafia doctor/roleblocker/other strong PR, and the team decided it would be better to keep using that action. A mafia doctor would actually fit with what we've seen so far, as that would have accounted for Maverick's kp without refunding it, allowing kita to claim the actual kill. | ||
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On March 27 2012 16:15 phagga wrote: Did it state what the companion cube does? Also, were Atlas and Body bought off the black market as well? Just that I understand this right, he is allowed to send a number of normal PMs to whoever he wishes? Cool story, bro. The Companion Cube provides the purchaser with account details to a Smurf Account. Smurfs are unkillable, Unlynchable, and may not vote or use items. They may, however, post in the thread. Smurfs count as items. And yes, at first he said he had "some number" of letters, then more recently said that he had five left. I assume that he's been using them in the meantime, and it might help us identify the player. | ||
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I say we keep going with the list for now, heading into tomorrow, and then we can see what develops tonight. Kita is looking better to me, though I'm still concerned that he might just be a straight-up serial killer. Regardless, it's certainly nice to have so much kp shooting into scum, at least for now. Also, notice how Wiggles had no kill flavor? That suggests to me that only one member of the Cell can carry out hits, after which we're safe. With any luck, that cell member is also on the list. | ||
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