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I would strongly recommend against claiming items for the moment, because it would add a ton of initially useless information to the thread, and it would be ridiculously easy to fake having/not having any kind of item. As we have no idea what items can and can't do, we don't really have a way of confirming that any claimed items work as claimed, or even exist. | ||
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Drazerk, how is it in the town's interest to essentially kill a player at random? Also, why wouldn't you claim before vigging to actually confirm that it was your action? Doing so afterwards raises much more suspicion. I'm going to assume that, as per the OP, that mafia will flip red. Third parties, indeed. | ||
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On March 17 2012 09:29 Jayjay54 wrote: I also want to point out the possibility of wheatley betraying us later on. For anyone who hasn't played portal 2: He gets the successor of Glados and basically gets insane and stuff. He will be a cute robot now, but I gotta feeling he won't stay that way. That is possible, but I still think it's in our best interests to keep the "special ability" out of the hands of the scum. If it turns out to be anti-town, we can presumably just choose not to use it, and having the information will also help. I am willing to stand for election. As all I get is access to the "special ability," and not a day 1 lynch, my campaign pledge will be to be completely transparent about the "special ability", if elected. I would be willing to fully disclose its details to the town, and then we could decide from there whether and how to use it. If, as Jayjay suggests, I am later forced to become a maniacal killer, then we'll just have to deal with that eventuality when it comes :D. | ||
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On March 17 2012 09:35 MidnightGladius wrote: That is possible, but I still think it's in our best interests to keep the "special ability" out of the hands of the scum. If it turns out to be anti-town, we can presumably just choose not to use it, and having the information will also help. I am willing to stand for election. As all I get is access to the "special ability," and not a day 1 lynch, my campaign pledge will be to be completely transparent about the "special ability", if elected. I would be willing to fully disclose its details to the town, and then we could decide from there whether and how to use it. If, as Jayjay suggests, I am later forced to become a maniacal killer, then we'll just have to deal with that eventuality when it comes :D. EBWOP: Ah, the joy of democracy. I had forgotten that I could vote for myself. ##Elect: MidnightGladius | ||
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On March 17 2012 10:00 Drazerk wrote: I propose Velinath gets Wheatley then - I have my reasons but I am going to need you to trust me on this one other whys I might screw towns chances at victory. ##Elect: Velinath On March 17 2012 10:02 Drazerk wrote:We should not trust anyone with Wheatley and just presumed they lied about the ability. What do you mean by this? | ||
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1. Zephirdd: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=111188 2. Mr. Wiggles: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=99050 3. Vaderseven: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=39803 4. Velinath: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=164004 5. Jayjay54: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=125084 6. Kitaman27: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=46535 7. Ghost_403: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=104946 8. MidnightGladius: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=30191 9. gonzaw: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=237527 10. Kenpachi: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=51151 11. blzinghand: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=133498 12. Sinani206: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=128360 13. Lanaia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=154975 14. Paperscraps: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=62048 15. Bluelightz: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=235418 16. Nisani201: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=105586 17. Hassybaby: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=129007 18. Drazerk: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=107918 19. Adam4167: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=192320 20. Grackaroni: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=198851 21. Cwave: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=232648 22. Cyber_Cheese: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=87276 23. RayzorFlash: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=129351 24. Zelblade: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=240873 25. Foolishness: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=47499 26. Sbrubbles: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=118447 27. VisceraEyes: Melichor the Endesleid, the Shadowsinger, was consumed by Shadow and Flame day1! 28. blubbdavid: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=60919 29. Phagga: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=248181 30. Maverick32x: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=174863 31. Dirk Hardpec: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=256233 | ||
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On March 17 2012 10:19 Drazerk wrote: I know he is the same as me or a DT. Either way I am certain he is not scum and so gets my vote and I want you to vote for him. If that is the case, and we end up having to deal with renegade Wheatley, we'll be losing a PR. Why not elect a vanilla town like me, instead? | ||
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On March 17 2012 10:32 Blazinghand wrote: Are you claiming to be a town-aligned Vanilla Townie? I have no power roles, and I win with the town. How does that make me anything other than vanilla town? | ||
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On March 17 2012 10:58 Kenpachi wrote: kk so i lied. im actually not townie but i get super powers if a majority types ##Vote: GLaDOS Also elect me for Wheatly. itll help a lot. Without a majority of players even active, any discussion about this is just going to clutter up the thread, and you don't even give us any details for us to discuss. Surely you didn't expect a majority of players to just do what you told them to, without any evidence or support :D. What were you trying to accomplish with this sequence of posts? | ||
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I think Drazerk is lying out of his teeth to keep us distracted. His claim details make no sense at all, especially the way he did it. He claims to have been the Balrog all along, but only claimed the name after his supposed win con change, ie the change from a decidedly non-Balrog wincon (benevolent survivor) to the exact Balrog wincon, plus the item clause. Something here just doesn't add up, especially when combined with his earlier shot/Velinath buddying/item grab declaration/Velinath disowning. If he, as he says, wants us to hunt scum and not third party, then his behavior certainly doesn't support that. Let's suppose that his initial win condition is to survive until the end with the town, but then he shoots randomly into VisceraEyes (unless now he wants to claim that he used his supposed day-DT item on him, which would further contradict his earlier statements). Why would a benevolent survivor do that? Surely a town vigilante would pick his or her targets more carefully, and Drazerk claims that he isn't compulsive, so that argument doesn't hold, either. If his wincon now is to kill Gandalf, then I have no reason to think that Drazerk is town-aligned. ##Vote: Drazerk Additionally, I would like to reaffirm that I'm just as qualified to be Wheatley as any other player here, in that I've promised complete transparency and cooperation. I find the fact that no one even mentions me as a candidate to be rather bizarre. | ||
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Attack my posts or my behavior, don't just default to that worthless line of defense. | ||
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On March 18 2012 03:15 sinani206 wrote: but i stil dont think we should kill drazerk Why not? What makes him confirmed town to you? | ||
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Kenpachi's also been scattering the town's concentration with his glados voting and the nonsensical party with blazinghand. I don't like that at all, but I take it that this is what he usually does, and I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. If he doesn't actually start contributing soon, or continues to attempt to derail, then that could quickly change. Wiggles is making decent sense to me, but I wish he'd read a bit more carefully. He's already slipped up once in terms of comprehension (thinking Drazerk had given an item instead of using it). His latest analysis is solid. | ||
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On March 18 2012 04:28 Lanaia wrote: Not lynching drazerk, but I will not trust him. At another point, I'd be fine with it. In the past few pages (since I went to bed at least), I've not liked Velinath. The way he's reinforcing that he's town, not third party is definitely rubbing me the wrong way. I do agree with Foolishness in regards to his vote on dirk hardpec or whatever his name is. His only post is fluff. I don't even understand why he felt compelled to say it. The wording feels incredibly forced. "In sense, it makes no sense from a balance standpoint to create a third party in a game, and then make it possible for us to leave that third party alive, might as well be town then." I've been in a group similar to that in a different game, but we only had to live until Cthulhu arrived (however, we were all shot by then), so I'm sure it's not impossible. Why doesn't it make sense from a balance point, dirk hardpec? After he replies, I'll make my decision of whether or not I vote him. I'd like to hear from Cyber. He hasn't posted since his /in. The people I'd like to elect aren't even running. I guess this means I should be electing blazinghand because I'd changed my mind about velinath. To clarify: Drazerk is not currently of the same faction as VE was, right? I just need to make sure I understand this. Who would you like to lynch if not Drazerk? If you'd be fine with it at another point, why not now? What about Velinath is suspicious to you? Do you also believe that there are only third parties, no town? In that, you seem to share the opinion of Blazinghand, who you're also voting to elect. Is that why? You don't give any other reasoning, and yet you say your favored candidate isn't even in the running. Your town reads are Wiggles and Jay? In short, much of what you say is unclear. Please explain where your suspicions lie, and why there lie where they do. We have no way of knowing what Drazerk's faction is, but the reasoning is that if he were also a Sleeper Agent, he wouldn't shoot and risk hitting another Agent. | ||
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On March 18 2012 04:30 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Also, I forgot I wanted to write in that post, but it might not be the best idea to lynch Drazerk anymore after his claim. Instead, some townie with KP should send in his night action as soon as the night post goes up to kill Drazerk, due to the way items work. I don't know if action resolution is set in stone, or based on who sent in the kill first, so we should try to be better safe than sorry, and not let scum get that item. Suicide lynching Draz isn't very good, because the third parties won't vote for him, cell members will try to avoid it, and mafia wouldn't put more than a couple people on him. That means we would end up lynching with *just* reaching majority, and chances are most of the people will be town and we'll lose members without taking out extra scum. So, not exactly worth the 2 for 1 trade. Thoughts? I don't believe his claim at all. Also, consider that if someone night-kills him, that player will end up with his alleged item, so it doesn't help the town to potentially pass it to mafia/another 3rd-party with KP. In fact, I think it would be in the town's best interest to detonate it sooner rather than later. Heaven forbid the game come down to LYLO with it still running around. | ||
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Kenpachi, in light of your recent discovery, do you still want to kill GlaDOS? If not, do you have anything more to say about any of the actual players here? If not, can you please stop spamming? Grackaroni, I'm still not willing to trust any of Drazerk's claims, especially ones hinging on abilities he may or may not have used, and items that may or may not have even existed. I doubt that Velinath is a Planar Dragon. A third party would probably not seek an elected role that came with so many conditions and threats. Speaking of items, the Anger Core obviously never existed, and I doubt Drazerk started with any items in the first place. So someone should have a corrupted Portal Gun, and beyond that, nothing. If anyone wants lemons, they should grow a lemon tree. | ||
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Grackaroni, now you're being a bit too silly :D. | ||
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Cwave and Cyber_Cheese are two of the more hardcore lurkers, and this seems really uncharacteristic of them, going from their past games. However, they've both given their reasons and promised to step up before the end of Night 1, so I don't think it would be fair to shoot them now before they've had a chance to make good on their promises. I would like to focus more on players like ghost_403, who promised a case on Dirk but never got around to it. Nisani claims to not be lurking, after being surprised that he's not on anyone's lurker list, but he also doesn't follow it up with content. I would really like you two to add to the discussion, which admittedly isn't really moving at the moment. | ||
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