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Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 12 2012 03:27 GMT
#52
player list looks good





time for me to shit it up
/in
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 12 2012 11:20 GMT
#58
On March 12 2012 19:12 Zephirdd wrote:
K what/who is balrog? I played the games, and even googling only returned a LOTR and a Street Fighter reference.


Go read the Lord of the Rings Mafia game from last year.

Its pretty damn funny and an interesting game to boot.
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 15 2012 11:11 GMT
#121
On March 15 2012 13:58 GreYMisT wrote:
Assuming we get the final slots filled, We will most likely be starting this weekend.


Well done. Here come the test results: "You are a horrible person." That's what it says: a horrible person. We weren't even testing for that.
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 16 2012 01:00 GMT
#168
Yeah, saw that about a week ago.

Would you like to buy a vowel?
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 16 2012 01:03 GMT
#171
Possibly a capital letter also.

otherwise, when that blzinghand guy gets killed, just keep posting, since its not you
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 16 2012 05:10 GMT
#179
On March 16 2012 13:29 Lanaia wrote:
I'm baking portal cookies and you don't get any because you're all far away.
glhf I won't be around for a couple hours of after gamestart. Sorry!


So place Orange next to your stove and Blue next to my desk and just hand them through!

portal noobs... jeez -_-
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 16 2012 23:41 GMT
#263
On March 17 2012 08:33 Jayjay54 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 08:19 GreYMisT wrote:
Cell Agent Melichor the Endesleid, the Shadowsinger,(VisceraEyes), Was Consumed by Shadow and Flame!


did you notice the (OP:unique) kill flavour? consumed by shadow and flame.

I can't help but notice how this might indicate being a shadowsinger....


I don't think someone in a sleeper cell situation would be so casual with a day-vig shot... knowing his 3 other teammates were out there somewhere and run the risk of killing one... for what? to off a possible townie?
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 16 2012 23:43 GMT
#266
On March 17 2012 08:41 Zephirdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 08:39 Jayjay54 wrote:
On March 17 2012 08:35 Blazinghand wrote:
On March 17 2012 08:33 Jayjay54 wrote:
On March 17 2012 08:19 GreYMisT wrote:
Cell Agent Melichor the Endesleid, the Shadowsinger,(VisceraEyes), Was Consumed by Shadow and Flame!


did you notice the (OP:unique) kill flavour? consumed by shadow and flame.

I can't help but notice how this might indicate being a shadowsinger....



More than...


On March 17 2012 08:19 GreYMisT wrote:
Cell Agent Melichor the Endesleid, the Shadowsinger,(VisceraEyes), Was Consumed by Shadow and Flame!




?


yea, we already KNOW that VE is a sleeper cell shadowsinger. I don't think is being tested here

but draz claims the kill, so his kill flavour is Consumed by Shadow and Flame


TBH "consumed by shadow and flame" is the flavor for VE from my eyes.

What I understood is that each player has a flavor for his own death, not for each player that he kills



From OP:
On March 09 2012 15:36 GreYMisT wrote:
Game Setup Information

Every player has their own unique kill flavor.


Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 16 2012 23:50 GMT
#271
On March 17 2012 08:43 Jayjay54 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 08:41 Adam4167 wrote:
On March 17 2012 08:33 Jayjay54 wrote:
On March 17 2012 08:19 GreYMisT wrote:
Cell Agent Melichor the Endesleid, the Shadowsinger,(VisceraEyes), Was Consumed by Shadow and Flame!


did you notice the (OP:unique) kill flavour? consumed by shadow and flame.

I can't help but notice how this might indicate being a shadowsinger....


I don't think someone in a sleeper cell situation would be so casual with a day-vig shot... knowing his 3 other teammates were out there somewhere and run the risk of killing one... for what? to off a possible townie?


Well, this action makes no sense from any side to me. He claims for the items...


I really cant see a sleeper taking that shot in the first half-hour of the game.
There's a small chance it could be a mafia ploy to get Drazerk into the spotlight or 'confirmed'.
Far and away the most likely solution to me is that hes a trigger-happy townie who just struck gold.
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 17 2012 00:12 GMT
#282
On March 17 2012 08:55 gonzaw wrote:
If the scum team is in fact the Sleeper agent, then they can't communicate with each other, so how can they plan this "ploy" you are speaking off?

If Drazerk was SA, he didn't know VE was SA as well, so he didn't know he could make this ploy.
Maybe he would have hit a townie, and his whole plan would go down the drain.


I assume there is also a 'standard' scum family out there, due to VE flipping black instead of red. Having just 4 sleeper agents in a 31 person game seems pretty ridiculous to me... but we'll see.


On March 17 2012 08:56 Jayjay54 wrote:
why can't you see that? maybe he is compulsive and the early kill unbinds him from any possibilities. cell agent have a prob 80-90 % chance to NOT kill other agents.

there's no way we can rule out that this is the other way round and he is a freaking unlucky cell and is now pissed that their shared shadowbender flavour is revealed.

I can picture a combination like "has been killed by shadow and fire", "shadow + x" or whatever, you get the idea.

I am not saying, it is that way, but the coindidence is quite great in the matching flavour.


You run the risk of bumping off one of your teammates for the gain of what? killing a townie and bringing the rest of the town down on you. Its always a possibility, but its not a shot I would take. Regardless, speculating about Drazerks alignment over this one action is not going to result in much. Lets let his actions in the coming day or two tell the tale.

Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 17 2012 00:19 GMT
#286
On March 17 2012 09:16 Jayjay54 wrote:

How do you know there's just 4 and not 9 cell agents? Random assumption? Whatever these alignment speculations don't get us anywhere...

I am just pointing out the flavour so it is noticed. Again, kill can be compulsive or he looks for an item. We don't know shit. But you're right, it's way too early to claim an alignment here. Still, this deserves an entry in every spreadsheet.


On March 17 2012 08:19 GreYMisT wrote:

Cell Agent Melichor the Endesleid, the Shadowsinger, (VisceraEyes), Was Consumed by Shadow and Flame!

Role PM: Welcome to Aperture Mafia! You are Melichor the Endesleid, a Shadowsinger. Every night you may visit a player and wrap reality around them, inverting effects that target the player. What this means is that medic protects will kill them, detective checks will return the opposite alignment, kp will protect, etc. You are also a member of the Sleeper Cell . You do not know the other 3 members, however you do know a Cell leader is in this game, and you may receive messages from him during the day or night phase. Your win condition is for the Cell to outnumber the remaining players in the game.


I was blessed with the ability to read. =)
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 17 2012 00:25 GMT
#292
On March 17 2012 09:20 gonzaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 09:12 Adam4167 wrote:
On March 17 2012 08:55 gonzaw wrote:
If the scum team is in fact the Sleeper agent, then they can't communicate with each other, so how can they plan this "ploy" you are speaking off?

If Drazerk was SA, he didn't know VE was SA as well, so he didn't know he could make this ploy.
Maybe he would have hit a townie, and his whole plan would go down the drain.


I assume there is also a 'standard' scum family out there, due to VE flipping black instead of red. Having just 4 sleeper agents in a 31 person game seems pretty ridiculous to me... but we'll see.



The point is that Drazerk being Sleeper Agent, and planning shooting VE as a "ploy" doesn't make sense.


He could still be from another scum faction, but in that case I don't think he would know VE was a sleeper agent (unless scum have a Day-DT as well, and got lucky).






Okay, there have been only 6-7 people actively posting in this thread, and only 9-10 posted at all.
The remaining 21-22 players need to post.


I think you have missed my point. Regardless, its not worth dwelling on.
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 17 2012 00:33 GMT
#295
On March 17 2012 09:29 Jayjay54 wrote:
I also want to point out the possibility of wheatley betraying us later on.

For anyone who hasn't played portal 2: He gets the successor of Glados and basically gets insane and stuff.

He will be a cute robot now, but I gotta feeling he won't stay that way.


Agreed. But whatever initial power he comes with is better in our hands than in that of a non-town.

We can just keep an eye on whoever we elect and if they start doing stupid shit, we get rid of them.. or possibly transfer their consciousness into a potato.
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 17 2012 01:05 GMT
#317
I am also interested in running for the Wheatley position.

Y'all know who I am, most of you have played with me before. Anyone that read the final days of BC's Arkham City would know that I am willing to put in 12+ hours a day to get a win in a game of mafia. Unfortunately, despite my best efforts, I didn't get a win in that game (-_-), but this time I am ready to be the hero that you deserve.

So vote to Elect Adam4167!

##ElectAdam4167
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 18 2012 04:15 GMT
#657
Ok, I have returned!

I work in an Irish pub, so as you can appreciate, yesterday sucked. By the time I got home, I didn't even want to look at my computer, I face-planted into bed.


I like how Velinath is playing so far, its bringing back memories of Student Mafia (my favourite game on TLMafia). He doesn't have a hint of fear in his posts, seems rational and reasonable and is promising honesty. I put my full support behind Velinath for the Wheatley position.

##Unelect Adam4167
##Elect Velinath


Foolishness speaking in riddles is quite entertaining, even if its not his role, I hope he continues. I agree with Foolishness on Dirk Hardpec. It took Dirk 12 lines to come to his conclusion when a simple "no, I don't believe Drazerks' claim" would have done the same. It comes off as trying to fluff up his post so they appear to say more then they actually do.

##Vote Dirk Hardpec
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 18 2012 11:25 GMT
#678
On March 18 2012 19:53 gonzaw wrote:
People, the Dirk wagon is forming almost as easily as the Drazerk one.
I haven't found A SINGLE player that opposed his lynch, like...not a single one. He may not have a lot of votes yet, but a lot of other people put their interest in getting him lynched as the "leader" of the scummy lurkers.
As in, everybody says "We should lynch a lurker", and then immediately point out Dirk instead of others.


Why would you expect someone to oppose this lynch? With all of the different factions at work in this game, he may have no one coming to his aid (3rd party), his teammates may not know they're supposed to be aiding him (sleeper agent) and his team may just be abandoning him for being afk/lurking (mafia).

When I read Dirk's post, I thought "Gee, he said a lot of words to say so little", and then on the next page, I see Foolishness making a similar argument. That does two things for me: a) tells me I'm probably on the right track and b) tells me that Foolishness is probably town, since I am town.



I agree with you on RayzorFlash, but I question what is the point of this line:
"(I guess EVERYBODY will bandwagon on Rayzor right now because he made only 2 posts, right?)"

You've made a case against him. Its looks solid enough. Then you try to scare everyone away from agreeing with you by labelling anyone that votes Rayzorflash as a bandwagoner.

Did you not want this case to pick up steam? Why make it then?

I am genuinely confused as to what you are trying to accomplish.
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 18 2012 22:24 GMT
#895
9am lynch deadline, ouch. -_-

Shifting my vote to Drazerk.
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 20 2012 06:38 GMT
#1222
JayJay,
I have been reading the thread, but not posting. I see no need to contribute to all of the noise that is going on in the thread. I find discussions about the black market, Foolishness' posting restriction, Gracks lemons, the D.Engine, wheatleys theorized shift in win condition to all be irrelevant to me and a distraction to everyone. None of those things help me find scum.

Lets talk a little bit about Foolishness. He's one of the most renowned, if not the best, scum hunters on TL mafia. His posting habits were strange this game, sure, but lets look at this objectively. If he rolled anything but town, he would still have an incentive to scum-hunt to the best of his ability. All the scum factions want to kill the other scum factions that might shoot their members. The third parties want to look like they're useful/town so they can survive long enough to achieve their win objective. There is simply no good reason not to trust him and kill the people he singled out.

On that note:
I still reaffirm that Dirk looks red to me. His 'scum-hunting' so far has been to wait for someone to call him scum and then retaliate in saying that they must be scum. His case against foolishness is weak to say the least: He has a post restriction (or is feigning it) => we should hang him.
His argument that Grack should be held accountable for shooting him is just an attempt to scare Grack away from pulling the trigger. Instead of trying to scare Grack away from shooting you, why don't you prove to Grack that it would be a bad idea by finding some scum. Put up a case, preferably something more tangible then "he's not posting".

I am still waiting for that list of reads from Bluelightz. He was able to post in Wherebugsgo's C9++ mini, but never came back here to deliver those reads to us. I do not get the same feel from Bluelightz as I have in previous games with him. He's on my watch list.
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 20 2012 22:34 GMT
#1264
On March 21 2012 03:39 Jayjay54 wrote:

1 So you read the thread and see that it's misguided (I agree with the setting stuff), but you refuse to improve it. Why? That's not how I got to know you in AC. There, you cared. Here, you don't.

2 You claim to read the threat and then go on to post an analysis on a dead player? Way to go!

3 Actually no, Dirk's post said, that Foolishness hides. And he did. He posted one single read on dirk in this game. That was no strong play and I am still not conviced he was town. But that's not the point. This looks more like pushing a player who has been pushed thousands of times before. I know that you pushed him before, but I don't liked your three line reasoning sheeping foolishness either.

4 Same here. At least you add a point, though.

I have a picture of you in my head as a strong player, you were one of the firsts who figured out who toad was in AC. You're smart and you're certainly better thanyou are this game.


I care here. I am posting my reads. I just do not feel the need to contribute in discussion that I deem pointless. I don't enjoy reading a 10 page filter, and I doubt anyone else would want to read mine if it got that large, either. I am not 'refusing to correct it', I am correcting it by deeming it all irrelevant and posting my reads instead, something everyone should be doing.

Look at the tense of my section on Foolishness. I am fully aware that he is dead. I am making the argument that we should follow through on his reads because they are credible regardless of his alignment. The sarcasm is wholly unnecessary.

You need to go back and reread Foolishness filter. He doesn't 'post one single read', he also says that Velinath is town because he has nothing to hide and that Zelblade should have a run-in with a vig.

On March 21 2012 04:10 Jayjay54 wrote:
I think adam, nisani and blue are all reasonable targets.


I find it interesting, however, that I've jumped to your top 3 scum reads for the reason of 'he doesn't care'. If that is your definition of scum this game, then you've got your work cut out for you, there are plenty of people that fit that bill. I am not one of them.
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 20 2012 23:09 GMT
#1268
On March 21 2012 07:48 Jayjay54 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2012 07:34 Adam4167 wrote:
I care here. I am posting my reads. I just do not feel the need to contribute in discussion that I deem pointless. I don't enjoy reading a 10 page filter, and I doubt anyone else would want to read mine if it got that large, either. I am not 'refusing to correct it', I am correcting it by deeming it all irrelevant and posting my reads instead, something everyone should be doing.

Look at the tense of my section on Foolishness. I am fully aware that he is dead. I am making the argument that we should follow through on his reads because they are credible regardless of his alignment. The sarcasm is wholly unnecessary.

You need to go back and reread Foolishness filter. He doesn't 'post one single read', he also says that Velinath is town because he has nothing to hide and that Zelblade should have a run-in with a vig.

On March 21 2012 04:10 Jayjay54 wrote:
I think adam, nisani and blue are all reasonable targets.


I find it interesting, however, that I've jumped to your top 3 scum reads for the reason of 'he doesn't care'. If that is your definition of scum this game, then you've got your work cut out for you, there are plenty of people that fit that bill. I am not one of them.


your election post said that you are willing to put in 12 hours to be a hero. Well, you didn't do anything (maybe some light pressure on lightz yay). You don't post your reads, you say you want to sheep forumite's (Your post is still a little confusing, whatever).

I just think, you play differently this game. And I posted it already on Sunday. The thing is that you post nothing which isn't approved by town. Dirk and Lights are the targets which can be pushed while blending in. If you'd die right now, I probably wouldn't remember a single of you push posts.

Also, It was not all of a sudden. I already called you a vig target yesterday along with Nisani and C_C, bro.


I am still willing to put in 12 hours a day, just not discussing pointless shit. I posted my small read on Dirk, and it was only small because his filter is tiny and there is zero substance in it. I've asked him for more content, which is yet to materialize, so I can make a better call. I say I want to sheep Foolishness, for good reasons, reasons I have outlined.

I post whatever I feel is right. If that happens to be town consensus, then I guess town is actually playing smart for once.

I never said your read on me happened 'all of a sudden', I was attacking the reasoning, saying it applied to a majority of the players in this game.

Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 20 2012 23:31 GMT
#1272
On March 21 2012 08:17 Jayjay54 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2012 08:09 Adam4167 wrote:
On March 21 2012 07:48 Jayjay54 wrote:
On March 21 2012 07:34 Adam4167 wrote:
I care here. I am posting my reads. I just do not feel the need to contribute in discussion that I deem pointless. I don't enjoy reading a 10 page filter, and I doubt anyone else would want to read mine if it got that large, either. I am not 'refusing to correct it', I am correcting it by deeming it all irrelevant and posting my reads instead, something everyone should be doing.

Look at the tense of my section on Foolishness. I am fully aware that he is dead. I am making the argument that we should follow through on his reads because they are credible regardless of his alignment. The sarcasm is wholly unnecessary.

You need to go back and reread Foolishness filter. He doesn't 'post one single read', he also says that Velinath is town because he has nothing to hide and that Zelblade should have a run-in with a vig.

On March 21 2012 04:10 Jayjay54 wrote:
I think adam, nisani and blue are all reasonable targets.


I find it interesting, however, that I've jumped to your top 3 scum reads for the reason of 'he doesn't care'. If that is your definition of scum this game, then you've got your work cut out for you, there are plenty of people that fit that bill. I am not one of them.


your election post said that you are willing to put in 12 hours to be a hero. Well, you didn't do anything (maybe some light pressure on lightz yay). You don't post your reads, you say you want to sheep forumite's (Your post is still a little confusing, whatever).

I just think, you play differently this game. And I posted it already on Sunday. The thing is that you post nothing which isn't approved by town. Dirk and Lights are the targets which can be pushed while blending in. If you'd die right now, I probably wouldn't remember a single of you push posts.

Also, It was not all of a sudden. I already called you a vig target yesterday along with Nisani and C_C, bro.


I am still willing to put in 12 hours a day, just not discussing pointless shit. I posted my small read on Dirk, and it was only small because his filter is tiny and there is zero substance in it. I've asked him for more content, which is yet to materialize, so I can make a better call. I say I want to sheep Foolishness, for good reasons, reasons I have outlined.

I post whatever I feel is right. If that happens to be town consensus, then I guess town is actually playing smart for once.

I never said your read on me happened 'all of a sudden', I was attacking the reasoning, saying it applied to a majority of the players in this game.



The difference between you and some other lurkers is, that I have seen you play a solid game in AC. This time you don't. I can as easily ask you why dirk above all lurkers. He has at least two posts where he states stuff which isn't popular at that time, even though it might be wrong. he was the second to vote draz, this fluff post had actual relevance at that point. And his concerns about foolishness were valid as well. You on the other hand (again) have not posted a single post actually contributing IMO.

BTW: The same applies to Nisani (who had a horrific "defense" as well, while you to your point actually are in here and talk to me)


I am not targeting Dirk because he is a lurker, nor do I use that word to describe him once. I am targeting him because he has a filter with zero content, his first post was waffly and his post aimed at Grack was not the reaction id expect from a townie.

You seem pretty interested in discrediting anything I say. Why is that?
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 21 2012 00:21 GMT
#1293
You didn't really say much there, Lanaia.

You point a few random things out, then dismiss them just as quickly.

When I compare this post to, say, one of yours in Sleeper Cell II:
Sleeper Cell II
I do not see the same conviction in your reads, nor effort in finding them.

Who is your top scum read, and obviously.. why?
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 21 2012 02:19 GMT
#1314
I think you're toeing a dangerous line there Maverick, reciting stuff from your PM is a touchy area.

Probably best not to proceed any further.
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 21 2012 13:42 GMT
#1357
I'm not surprised. I had it narrowed down to Kurumi or Palmar just based off the time-zones that the posts were coming in at, and the English was probably too good for Kurumi (no offense).

I still felt as though your first post was waffly, but as long as you're putting content in the thread, then we're gravy.
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 21 2012 13:52 GMT
#1359
On March 21 2012 09:12 Jayjay54 wrote:
going to sleep now. and I want to stress again, dirk is not confirmed, but his role is townish and the case wasn't as good. I'd like to lynch somebody else. If you think dirk's filter says nothing, look at nisani's.

good night...


I am about to read Nisani's filter after my midnight snack. I'll gift you one in return:
Lanaia, this filter is empty of anything substantial.
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 21 2012 14:05 GMT
#1361
On March 21 2012 22:50 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Ok, I'm not going to have time to completely finish this, but this is what I wrote. It's pretty straight-forward, so you should be able to see the same things, just read his filter. I think ghost_403 is likely scum. A couple other people pointed him out in the thread, and I noticed the same things when I read his filter.

The first thing I notice right off the bat, is that he's the one who started the silliness about Wheatley changing win conditions.
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2012 00:55 ghost_403 wrote:
Just my thoughts on the Wheatly role:

I'm not ever going to trust Wheatly. IIRC, Wheatly screws over Chell in Portal 2 by taking control of Aperture, despite his best intentions. I can see this going the same way. Wheatly begins the game by helping the town, then gets a new wincon where he has to kill us all or something.

The reason this is scummy, is because it has no basis in the game, and is completely based on external flavour. So, it serves only to:

1)Spread distrust
2)Cause pointless discussion and distract from the game
3) Be pointless

Then he flip-flops on his reads. I'll try to post more when I get back. =/


Except Jayjay was the one who started this discussion on page 15. While I care little for speculation about setup or roles, this discussion was bound to be brought up by someone who had played portal 2. I wouldn't consider it indicative of alignment. I am interested in seeing the rest of your case on Ghost though.
Adam4167
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March 21 2012 15:01 GMT
#1364
Nisani, when I compare your filter in this game to your filter in NMM1 (Nisani in NMM1), its like two different people.
Nisani in NMM1 is also lurking and has a small filter, but you can see he genuinely cares about the direction the game is heading. He is also supremely confident in his reads. Now comparing that to this game, you seem disinterested, your reads are lacking in confidence, and you seem to be happy just to let things unfold however they do.

Can we expect a case that requires some form of actual effort? such as: This Case

You played well in NMM1, even if you were lynched by town. If that nisani doesn't come back soon, I will happily vote to see you swing.



I am off to bed, its 1:30am here. Ill set my alarm so I am here before the lynch to put my vote somewhere meaningful.
Adam4167
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March 21 2012 22:38 GMT
#1427
When I compare Bluelightz list of reads from this game to his performances in Wiggles Mini Mafia II and Purgatory, I do not get the same feeling. His case on kenpachi was so hollow that he himself referred to it as "my so called 'case'."

My vote is rather redundant at this point, but lets hope this pans out.

##Vote: Bluelightz
Adam4167
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March 21 2012 23:02 GMT
#1432
Jackpot.

Going back to bed.
Adam4167
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March 22 2012 09:30 GMT
#1472
After rereading Bluelightz filter, it catches my attention how 'out of left field' his push to get wiggles elected into the role of wheatley is. Wiggles hadn't done anything up to this point but discuss setup and touch on the Drazerk dayvig, neither of which I find indicative of a town alignment.

When questioned on why he is pushing wiggles for the wheatley role, Bluelightz responds with:
On March 17 2012 10:24 Bluelightz wrote:
@gonzaw


Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 08:35 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Though I question why you'd choose to shoot less than an hour into day 1, we just got a bunch of information from that lynch. We now know there's three sleeper cell members, so that's a modconfirmed scum number we can work with.

So is that actually the reason you shot him Drazerk? I don't see why you'd think that about VE as compared to anyone else, and why you'd shoot him without posting.



Would mafia ask this question? I think that Wiggles is town based on that he is posting like not being coordinated with other people.


WIFOM, and a really subpar reason. It feels like he picked a random post to try and justify his vote with.

Furthermore, Wiggles does not even acknowledge that Bluelightz is pushing him, not even questioning it once, as if not to draw any more attention to it.


On top of that, I find Wiggles case against ghost_403 to be paper-thin. I was also in favour of leaving Drazerk alive while he was being neutral and not a nuisance and I also 'flipped' and decided that he needed to die after he started aiding non-town aligned players. I see nothing wrong with ghost_403's actions on day 1.


Grackaroni, any chance you are willing to change your mind on that vig shot?
Adam4167
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March 22 2012 09:38 GMT
#1474
Yep, doesn't look good.

I know my vote came in on the end of the wagon and the only excuses I have for that are finding several people hang-worthy and also placing my vote after I woke up, instead of before I went to bed.
Adam4167
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March 22 2012 09:46 GMT
#1475
zelblade, you've been quieter this game then I remember you being in newbie mini mafia III. Now that I've actually read your case on Bluelightz, I see that I have repeated some things you've already touched on. I'm not going to lie, when I saw that big wall of text, I held my pgdown key -_-

How do you feel about Dirk now after he told you Bluelightz was not scum and an 'easy lynch'?

Adam4167
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March 22 2012 14:07 GMT
#1484
On March 22 2012 20:15 Hassybaby wrote:
Morning guys

Show nested quote +
On March 22 2012 12:57 zelblade wrote:
Opinions on sending a lemon if we have one to grack, and agree on a target for him to day vig? A day vig shot seems pretty useful since most protections (well usually) are in the night. We could use his shot to clear out a lurker or something.


I think you should do it. Grack's been very open about his role, and if he's helping town that's a win for us. All we have to do is supply the lemons, as long as they're not poisonous.

One thing worth looking at as well will be the number of late voters on blue and how they voted on Draz as well, specifically the timing. May find something there.


If you think you will find 'something' there, why are you not investigating this yourself, rather then just pointing it out for someone else to do? At best this is just laziness, at worst you are asking someone to start a wagon for you to hop on. Which is it?


Adam4167
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March 22 2012 14:20 GMT
#1487
OK, but why wait for me to question you on it before you go and actually do the work?
Adam4167
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March 22 2012 14:32 GMT
#1491
I already explained earlier why I was late on the Drazerk lynch:
On March 22 2012 18:30 Adam4167 wrote:
On top of that, I find Wiggles case against ghost_403 to be paper-thin. I was also in favour of leaving Drazerk alive while he was being neutral and not a nuisance and I also 'flipped' and decided that he needed to die after he started aiding non-town aligned players. I see nothing wrong with ghost_403's actions on day 1.


I wanted to hang scum as a priority before a 3rd party, so I pressed elsewhere.

I also addressed why I was late on the Bluelightz lynch:
On March 22 2012 18:38 Adam4167 wrote:
Yep, doesn't look good.

I know my vote came in on the end of the wagon and the only excuses I have for that are finding several people hang-worthy and also placing my vote after I woke up, instead of before I went to bed.


The lynch deadline is at 9am for me and I work most nights, so I refrained from placing my vote when there was 7 on Bluelightz and 4 on Dirk. I woke up and there was a resounding majority on Bluelightz and my vote was irrelevant. I even stated as much as I cast it.
Adam4167
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March 22 2012 14:52 GMT
#1493
I think Wiggles looks good for it.

I have conflicting reads in the Wiggles, Kitaman and Dirk love triangle. A flip of one of them would go a long way on unravelling that mystery, and I think Wiggles looks worst of the three.
Adam4167
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March 23 2012 05:40 GMT
#1618
Welcome back Foolishness. I wouldn't consider yesterday a waste, it ended quite well. Do you still think Dirk is suspicious? do you still think zelblade needs an unfortunate run-in with a spade?

Sinani, you say "still fairly sure Jayjay is scum" as if you had said it before. Yet when I read your filter, you have not said a word about jayjays alignment all game. If you think he is scum, do something about it.

Mementoss, you've been in the game for 36 hours. I found Lanaia suspicious before you replaced her, and you've not done much to quell that. Please contribute something, preferably some reads.
Adam4167
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March 23 2012 23:42 GMT
#1668
On March 24 2012 00:33 kitaman27 wrote:
roszgbsxyejfycvsjyofx


.... in a game with sleepers, and you want to start posting 'jibberish' in the thread?


On March 24 2012 03:29 sinani206 wrote:
I did try to ask people stuff on Day 2, but no one would respond, because of Jayjay. That's why I was mad at him and accused him.
But now I realize he was simply trying to help town. That's why I said he wasn't as scummy anymore.
Either way, I'm not scum.


No, you didn't. I look in your filter and the only question you asked between day 1 and day 3 is if Jayjay's shot on you is unblockable. Why lie when its evident in your filter that you did no such thing? trying to blame Jayjay for you doing sweet-FA this whole game isn't going to work.

You have no excuse to not have been helping us if you are town. Even if his shot was unblockable and you were going to die, you STILL should have been trying to help us as much as you could before your end.
Adam4167
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March 24 2012 02:53 GMT
#1670
Mementoss, I can see you actively posting in Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia IX, yet you have said zero in this game since joining it two days ago.

Mementoss filter in Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia IX

There are far too many scummy people in this town, my kingdom for a multi-lynch. Or a multi-shot vig cannon.
Adam4167
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March 24 2012 07:05 GMT
#1675
I am content leaving Nisani alive, especially after that claim.

I wanted him to step up, put in some work, and he did. While I may not agree with his case on ghost, it seems genuine, as does his frustration to Jayjay pressing him.


If you want to make me something to get rid of Mementoss, id love you long time.
Adam4167
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March 24 2012 07:55 GMT
#1677
Sinani206 needs to go, hes not helping, not even trying.

##Vote Sinani206
Adam4167
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March 24 2012 11:41 GMT
#1683
OK. If Nisani is not the inventor, where did the security camera go that was created on night 1? I find it hard to believe the Inventor gave him the camera if he himself was not the Inventor. I'm trying to find any mention of it, but all I can see is Velinath purchasing one off the black-market and giving it to ghost.

Adam4167
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March 24 2012 12:15 GMT
#1691
On March 24 2012 20:44 Jayjay54 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 20:41 Adam4167 wrote:
OK. If Nisani is not the inventor, where did the security camera go that was created on night 1? I find it hard to believe the Inventor gave him the camera if he himself was not the Inventor. I'm trying to find any mention of it, but all I can see is Velinath purchasing one off the black-market and giving it to ghost.



I don't know, maybe given to BH. Do you really think Nisani would give his item to me?

where are palmar and foolishness btw?


Yeah, I don't get that one. Hes never called you scum, but surely there are better options when it comes to giving someone a gun then the guy that's campaigning for your death.

As zelblade said, it really makes no sense regardless of alignment.


I don't know where the hell everyone has disappeared to. The activity level has been non-existent today. The thought that we actually have close to TWENTY people still in this game is mind-boggling.

I can only take your word on the stuff Dirk is saying in the QT. As it looks from an outsiders perspective, hes made one post today consisting of 4 lines and a vote. I don't like that.

Adam4167
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March 24 2012 22:19 GMT
#1764
At a guess, Hassy and the Celtic Guardian are responsible for the D1 no flip.


The smarter play here is to lynch Sinani. Nisani can attempt to prove his role overnight. If he fails at that, we have our day 2 lynch all sorted.

Sinani has done nothing this whole game. After being shot by your 'blast from the past' he posts 'still alive', taunting you that hes still here. He has produced nothing of worth, and has shown no indication that that is going to change any time soon.

On the other hand, Nisani was producing a similar effort, so we prodded him, and he brought up a case on ghost. At least hes given us something. I cant be sure that inventor is a town role, but lets give him the chance to use it in a town way overnight, then deal with him tomorrow if he does not.
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 24 2012 22:24 GMT
#1765
EBWOP: That second paragraph should read "we have our next day lynch all sorted"
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 24 2012 23:12 GMT
#1776
God, that's frustrating.

Do nothing all game, go dark when you're up for a lynch and there's 2 votes in it.

Ill save my rage for the post-game.

At least this lynch was very close, it gives us more information then the previous two.

Dirk is not town, he doesn't give a shit. Town 'palmar' would be banging his drum like a mad-man if he really believed his case on Kita.
Adam4167
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March 25 2012 07:28 GMT
#1791
That information is not going to be nearly as useful for finding scum as the item that Jayjay described.

If Greymist will allow it, that would be the best item to give us direction over the coming days.
Adam4167
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March 25 2012 21:46 GMT
#1891
I think the mason network is useless if it was started by a scum.

Discussion in there will keep the town oblivious, while the scum watch on. Better served saying the same things in the main thread where everyone can see it.
Adam4167
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March 25 2012 23:19 GMT
#1904
Well, lets not look a gift-horse in the mouth. You have a lynch which cannot be swayed by ninja-votes or people who are not reading the thread. Lets make it count.
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 26 2012 10:18 GMT
#1953
Well.... Id rather we killed the people shooting at us, personally.

The D.Engine is hidden for now and his shot is wasted (assuming he only had one like Draz), so hes not really a priority.

Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
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March 26 2012 10:42 GMT
#1955
I would hang either Dirk or Mementoss if I were in your position.

Dirk inviting Mementoss into the QT tells me that his invite is probably compulsive, and he wanted to waste it. If it were not compulsive, he would have just invited no one, as that is what he effectively did by inviting someone not interested in playing the game. Him wasting that power to be helpful to town, among other things, tells me he has no interest in helping town.

Lanaia looked scummy before Mementoss took over, and Mementoss has all but given up on this game to play SNMM9.

This is of course assuming that Kita is the Lord of the riiiiiift, (something we cant know until he flips) otherwise he can probably die too.



Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 26 2012 11:37 GMT
#1957
Jayjay asked for input, while the decision ultimately falls to him, getting other peoples viewpoints is a good choice.

Wiggles could go either way. I don't like the way bluelightz was pushing him for the wheatley election, nor his case on ghost. Yet he seems to be genuinely busy, as he was posting very little in other games currently running.

Whoever 'burned to death' is, they've been targeting lurkers all game and decided to melt Paperscraps last night, a scum. As long as they keep pushing the town position, I am happy to leave them well enough alone.

Adam4167
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March 27 2012 22:42 GMT
#2060
On March 28 2012 03:20 Nisani201 wrote:
Alright well if we're not going to talk about anything let's sort of move forward. More suggestions for what I should invent.


Are you able to reproduce the same items more then once?
Adam4167
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Australia1426 Posts
March 27 2012 23:27 GMT
#2066
I agree, keep going into that list.

Do we want to make a second Colour Radiator and sweep it over another 4? Chances are it will be less productive then the first one, but it is still a good tool for narrowing down our lynches.

Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
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March 28 2012 01:29 GMT
#2073
Hey, that's a GREAT idea.

Lets do that.
Adam4167
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March 28 2012 09:13 GMT
#2082
Wouldn't you want people to 'visit' Palmar?

and by visit I mean kill.
Adam4167
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Australia1426 Posts
March 28 2012 09:18 GMT
#2084
I wish. If i'd had KP this game, id have shot well before now.

Adam4167
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Australia1426 Posts
March 28 2012 21:13 GMT
#2107
On March 29 2012 02:53 Nisani201 wrote:
Alright so greymist told me that the dayvig that only works on anti town is not allowed (makes sense). Scatter shot is OK though.


Our best bet is to double lynch tomorrow and get rid of Kenpachi and Dirk. This prevents the KP from falling into the scum hands, we still get our extra townside KP, and if they're the last of each faction, they're both gone before the next round of night kills.
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 28 2012 23:08 GMT
#2114
How does that scatter gun work? is it instant or do we have to wait until night?
Adam4167
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Australia1426 Posts
March 28 2012 23:36 GMT
#2117
Foolishness may not be able to confirm that the gun is in his possession, as the gag cake was probably used on him or Jayjay.

When one of them posts, we can safely assume the other will not for the remainder of this day.
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 28 2012 23:48 GMT
#2119
Lets focus on today's lynch first, we can discuss the gun over the night after the result of the lynch flip.

Todays lynch should be into Dirk/Kenpachi/blubbdavid.

##Vote Dirk Hardpec
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
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March 29 2012 04:57 GMT
#2122
On March 29 2012 08:05 Nisani201 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2012 08:04 Kenpachi wrote:
##Vote: GLaDOS
lets try this again.

I might consider this, since we know you're not 3rd party.


Kenpachi has a 2/3 chance of being Anti-Town. I would re-consider your reconsidering.


Mementoss, are you burning right now?

Dirk, are you on fire?, Who did you invite to your QT?

Still nothing from Jayjay, so Ill just assume hes been Caked. Otherwise, he went out on a post-thesis bender.
Adam4167
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March 29 2012 07:30 GMT
#2123
Where is everybody..

Foolishness, who do you believe to be the townie among Kenpachi, Dirk or blubbdavid?

I am almost certain its not Dirk. I cant read Kenpachi as his filter consists of 'vote Glados' shennanigans, yet blubbdavid has done very little in the way of scum-hunting, most of his posts where he calls someone out have been reactionary from their pressure.
Adam4167
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Australia1426 Posts
March 29 2012 09:14 GMT
#2126
MG still flipped town, I don't think he was doing anything to mislead us, intentionally anyway.

It is entirely possible that those roles are assigned to other teams, yes. I think it likely that the Lord of the Rift died on night 1. We know for sure he shot at Gonzaw (as per the kill flavor), we know that anyone who visited Gonzaw was 'Burned to death', so unless the Lord of the Rift has a Veteran buff or is aligned with a medic, he was probably one of the Night 1 deaths, which were 'Burned to death'.
Adam4167
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Australia1426 Posts
March 29 2012 09:18 GMT
#2127
Jayjay,

The three night-kills were mostly scum, in my opinion. The only townie that should have been going anywhere near Gonzaw on N1 was a medic, anyone else was either trying to steal the D.Engine, or trying to kill him because he was posting so much.

Mementoss protected Dirk, which is why he survived. I assume Kita set one of them on fire before he died last night, also.
Adam4167
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Australia1426 Posts
March 29 2012 09:26 GMT
#2129
Kita's ability sets a person on fire (Gonzaw), then anyone who visits that person on that night, gets burned to death, then the next night afterwards, the original target explodes. He already admitted to setting Gonzaw on fire on N1 and we can see from the N1 kills that the Lord of the Rift visited Gonzaw, he didn't go anywhere else.

I assume all of the KP was directed in Kita's direction last night, so lots of overlap. Leaving a town Vig alive wasn't something they could risk.
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 29 2012 22:38 GMT
#2180
Lets not lose focus, here.

Nisani made a .. 'mistake' but it is easily correctable. We lynch, then Foolishness fires at the two remaining people in the list, regardless of the flip. Shot is wasted, damage to town is prevented.

Mementoss, where are your thoughts on each of the three lynch candidates? you said you were going to read all 3 filters, and that was 12 hours ago. Their filters really aren't that long -_- (that's part of the problem).

Ghost, you have 4 days worth of material to examine, it is hardly too early in the day for anyone to be casting votes.



I would prefer we lynch Dirk above the other two. I am not willing to 'wait and see' if Kita's night effect bumps him off. It didn't work last time, I am not willing to take the risk again.
Adam4167
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March 29 2012 22:59 GMT
#2182
It might be optimal to leave him to die by Kita's flames, but after what happened in Arkham City, I am done with 'optimal' plans, I lynch the scum in front of me.

How do we know that it isn't the sleepers who are shopping on the black market? Last nights kills only tell us that the mafia either didn't shoot (very unlikely) or their shot was overlapped.
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 29 2012 23:11 GMT
#2184
I wouldn't read too much into the flavor, look at his actions. That is not town Palmar. Town Palmar calls everyone idiots, dense, thick when people are not bending to his will.

Hes dodged death a dozen times this game, lets rectify that.

Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 30 2012 00:54 GMT
#2189
So we have a list of 2/3 anti-town players, and you would rather go after someone who is feeding the town items.

You even acknowledge that we should be lynching into that list here, 12 hours ago. Your read on Nisani is 'leaning scum', and you'd rather lynch there over a 66% chance of hitting someone that is anti-town?

Your whole reason for wanting to kill Nisani is bogus. Your 'proof' for him being scum is he had some convoluted plan to get the colour radiator into scum hands, when it is equally likely that he was town, giving the item to someone he considered town. Your last line in your paragraph on Nisani is pure fearmongering, saying 'the only way scum can bring it back' is by doing exactly what you claim Nisani did.

Even if Nisani is scum, that's crazy. We kill the confirmed scum in front of us, then clean up whatever is left afterwards.

I think you are scum. I think you are some form of Aperture Computer Terminal.





Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 30 2012 01:09 GMT
#2192
That is not how the scattershot works, and you used Nisani making the item wrong as your proof as why he is scum, so you should know that.

The 'confirmed scum' are the 2 we know exist in the list of 3 names that Kita gave us. For all we know, they are the last two remaining scum in the game, due to the closed setup. Lynching elsewhere is ridiculous.



Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 30 2012 01:20 GMT
#2194
On March 30 2012 03:14 Foolishness wrote:
The gun is quite simple, I have two shots.
I pick two people, and hope they are not
of different factions,
else my actions,
will not go through, and I wasted the gun I got.


Two different factions= Shot does nothing.

Scum is a faction. Cell is a different faction. That item is more corrupt then the One Ring. You'll use it with the best intentions, best case scenario it does nothing. Worst case scenario it splatters two townies.
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
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March 30 2012 01:36 GMT
#2195
Regardless, that gun needs to be fired tonight. It gets fired at whoever is still left on the list after we lynch today. If it targets alignment, they'll both die. If it targets faction, it'll do nothing.

Tomorrows item should not be a vig item.
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 30 2012 22:30 GMT
#2221
On March 31 2012 01:20 phagga wrote:
Short question: If Dirk Hardpec is still burning, wouldn't Foolishnes get killed when he visits him to shoot him?


No. He would have been burned if he attacked him last night.

Moving my vote to Blubbdavid to prevent any unvote shenanigans. For what its worth, id still rather kill Dirk, burning or not.
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 30 2012 23:22 GMT
#2225
Interesting. At least that explains N1.

Nisani:

Bat-vision goggles
One shot. Instant use. Reveals a selected players alignment, abilities and role including all hidden win conditions. Pierces through any kind of 'Godfather effect'.
Adam4167
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March 30 2012 23:26 GMT
#2227
I think its too risky that that would fall into scum hands and be used against the town. A DT item limits the damage done to town if that happens and will set us up with either an ensured lynch or a confirmed townie.
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 30 2012 23:31 GMT
#2229
I think he was telling you to intentionally waste the shot.

Shoot at Mementoss and Dirk. If one of them is town, it'll do nothing. Then we lynch dirk tomorrow and we'll have our answer.

If they're both scum, Mementoss will medic Dirk, but Kita's fire and the scatter shot will kill them both anyway. Problem solved, two dead scum.
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 31 2012 23:26 GMT
#2256
Peace.
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
April 06 2012 04:44 GMT
#2432
Fun game, GG.


Yep, I switched off medic protecting Kita with 20 minutes before the deadline because I assumed he was about to get smacked by multiple KP and foolishness made me think he was going to jail him instead >.>

Sorry Kita, you were the town MVP this game, blew up half the scum team.
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
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April 06 2012 04:55 GMT
#2445
I am so friggen glad I didn't get hassy's role. I took one look at that and my eyes glazed over. I was actually pretty bummed about getting a VT role in such a crazy setup, then when I got activated I was like "uhhhhhh WHAT DO I DO". Ended up making a bit of a mess with my powers.
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