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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
I have some things on my mind that I want to post and will post within the next few hours before I go to bed. I'm kind of waiting it out to hear some other peoples opinions/people to respond and speak up. cough* OtoshimonoU cough* | ||
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trackd00r
Chile284 Posts
For one part, I think that his defense was pretty spontaneous. He doesn't recognize any contradiction in those quotes, and neither do I. I think you might be pushing too hard checking for any word that could be opposed to another. Those contradictions that mementoss explained were taken from incomplete statements. This can be really dangerous, because doing this that often can lead us to tunnel some players and lose any cred on them, just because other posters won't worry about he said, rather they'll worry how he say it. Plus, Pablols joined the thread some time after we started discussing, so it's proabable that he didn't make clear thoughts in a start and therefore, misinterpretations will take place. But... He actually wants to lynch mementoss because he claims dangerous play. He stated that twice: On March 02 2012 06:23 Pablols wrote: (...) If we were to lynch someone on day one it should probably be this guy, I do not have enough proof to say he is scum but even if he isn't we can agree he is dangerous because he either doesn't take the time to read an entire post or he is scum. On March 02 2012 06:35 Pablols wrote: As you can read on my other posts I was thinking that random post was the best option because of the lack of information, but now I think I know who I should vote for. You're dangerous to the town even if you're not scum What bugs me is that he seems so confident about lynching him without looking at other players yet. He indirectly states that there is a probability that he isn't town and even he cant show us any evidence addressing this fact. Well, if he isn't 100% that he is scum, why does he take a conclusion like that? It looks like a OMGUS for me (when you accuse a player just because he accused you). Add to that situation that he first post in his thread was drawing suspicion upon me, yet I don't see it materializes after that. On March 01 2012 16:59 Pablols wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 01 2012 11:51 trackd00r wrote: Hi everyone, I hope you enjoy the game. This is my second game on this forums. My previous game was Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia VII. To be very honest, I played pretty bad that game T_T and I hope I can play better in this one. You can take a look and check my meta if you wish. I don't mind. The first lynch is very hard to achieve successfully due to the limited information we have at this moment. The most important thing at this phase of the game is to stay active. Usually, the mafia are able to push out a Townie lynch in Day 1 because inactive or lurkish players don't follow the rhythm of the thread and are prone to make unclear reads and staying out of contributing substantially. Therefore, they are rendered as uncooperative. Plus, they might not have the chance to defend themselves and that pretty much seals their lynch. We obviously don't want this situation to happen, so please be active. Try to post as much good content as you can. This means that you shouldn't post one liners or random fluff to clutter up the thread. Mafia is going to have an easy time hiding if we miss the direction of our goal, which is to lynch scum. This game has 9 townies and 3 scum. As you can see, this might turn out to a short game. If we can't good lynches in the first 2 days, we will be on a huge disadvantage. Don't be afraid to accuse anyone. The key is to push your cases and be consistent. About the lynch policy, I'm totally against a no-lynch, as one is the crucial step to get information. If we don't lynch today, Mafia gets a free kill the following night and we will be on the exactly the same situation as now in day 2. I'll be on the thread for about an hour or so today. It seems that we don't have a wide variation of Time zones, so hopefully all of us can be discussing at the same time. Seems really suspicious, almost like he is trying too hard to prove his innocence without real proof. He also uses "we" as if he already proved himself too be innocent, it sounds very suspicious. Suddenly dropping suspicions is a often a scum trait. I'll take a closer look to him and Oto for now. I want to hear Tiystus again as well. | ||
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Pablols
Chile519 Posts
Yeah, Mementoss is top of my list, I guess I was too direct on accusing him. I only suspect him, day 1 it's impossible to know. I just have a hunch. Regarding my first post, the 2 liner one, I must admit it was pretty bad. It's the first time I play mafia and I am still getting the hang of it. When I posted that I hadn't even finished reading the guide to mafia threads. I don't blame you guys because it does look suspicious. After getting a better understanding of how this works I retract that statement, I do not suspect Trackdoor. I stand on my position towards Mementoss and Maverick, both say I contradict myself. I don't see it... And it was not explained. It's important for people to defend themselves after being accused, it's the natural response and without it false accusations from scum would win them the game easily. | ||
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Pablols
Chile519 Posts
On March 02 2012 09:09 Mementoss wrote: How many hours before the voting thread closes? I have some things on my mind that I want to post and will post within the next few hours before I go to bed. I'm kind of waiting it out to hear some other peoples opinions/people to respond and speak up. cough* OtoshimonoU cough* Admin said: The game has officially begin. You have approximately 48 hours to determine your first lynch. The current deadline is scheduled for 21:00 EST (-05:00). Good luck! I believe it should be tomorrow night? Is that right? I don't want to miss voting | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5255 Posts
On March 02 2012 09:09 Mementoss wrote: How many hours before the voting thread closes? Deadline is Thursday, Mar 03 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00). That's approximately 25 hours from now. Be sure to vote in the voting thread by then! | ||
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Tiystus
United States5 Posts
I also would like to hear of Suffeciency again. I want to hear what he says after all this pointing of fingers. I think Dimmuklok is a townie for sure, or both he and Mementoss are scum. Sorry for a short post, Thursdays are hell on my schedule. Ill have more time in 3 hours | ||
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friedchicken
United States143 Posts
 .Here are my thoughts on who seems like they MIGHT be scum based on their posts. I've been reading the thread and it seems OtoshimonoU isn't really bringing anything to the table. All I've seen from him is unless posts and one stating he is against a lynch (seems suspicious) Mementoss: Looks like he is stating his thought clearly and with the town in mind.(not suspicious right now) Pabloas: Flip-flops on issues, points fingers without any logic behind his accusations.(suspicious) Sufficiency: His posts are all one-liners, he doesn't state his opinions clearly, FoS's people without much proof.(suspicious) Maverick32x: Seems he logical in his accusations and states his thoughts clearly.(not suspicious) Beorn1: Hasn't post much. The one post he does have states something that we have a already decided.(not sure, leaning towards suspicious) Trackd00r: Seems logical in his thoughts.(not suspicious) Not sure about gunman, rainmaker, dimmuklok and tiystus Those are my thoughts. Right now I'm leaning towards lynching OtoshimonoU or Pabloas. | ||
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Maverick32x
United States311 Posts
This is ALL of my reads over the past day. Let me know what you think. If any is inaccurate let me know, but I broke it down into looking at each player's tendency to agree/disagree with someone else to see if there are any patterns of "allegiance" that I can spot. I also looked at behaviors that can be interpreted as either Mafia or Town. I obviously couldn't hit on everything, but these were the things that jumped out at me.. feel free to agree/disagree all you'd like. Lastly, I put in some miscellaneous information that I just thought was interesting or factual about a stance that the person had. I obviously didn't write stuff about myself, but if you'd like to create one for me, go ahead. 1.) gunman103 – + Show Spoiler + Agrees with: Dimx2 Disagrees with: Sufficiency. Mafia Behaviors: A kind of wishy-washy with his policy. Starts to fall to RL as a last resort if necessary. Though previously stated he wants to lynch for info, he now is considering a RL, but would prefer a ‘lurker’. Town Behaviors: Doesn’t want to lynch unless there is information to be gained. Repeats this information. Reinforces this idea a third time Misc: Against random lynching. Should only lynch for info. . 2.) Mementoss – + Show Spoiler + Agrees with: Maverickx2 Disagrees with: Trackd00r but takes it back. Sufficiency, OtoshimonUx3, Friedchicken, Pablols Mafia Behaviors: Possibly keeping attention off himself by focusing on others, Especially OtoshimonoU. Town Behaviors: Against Random Lynch- presents a well thought out argument. Continues to detail out his reasoning. Consistent with the people he disagrees with and the people he suspects. Misc: Claims himself as one of the most active. True? 3.) Rainmaker5 + Show Spoiler + Agrees with: Dissagrees with: Mafia Behaviors: Willing to sac a townie. Responds very late with little substancex2 Town Behaviors: Misc: Wants to move onto a new topic since random lynch has been discussed to death. 4.) Pablols – + Show Spoiler + Agrees with: Disagrees with: Trakd00r-> takes it back(after being exonerated by him), lightly disagrees with Maverick, Mementossx4 Mafia Behaviors: Brings it back to the RL, despite everyone moving on from it. Rambles on a bit at this point. Town Behaviors: Decently argues for a move to lynch in looking at the long term perspective, willing to take a risk. Puts a lot of effort into pointing out that Mementoss if taking his words out of context. Wants to lynch for a purpose. Misc: Randomly accuses Mementoss seemingly because he is upset that he was accussed. A bit overaction. 5.) Tiystus – + Show Spoiler + Agrees with: Disagrees with: Mementoss Mafia Behaviors: Indecisive. Encouraging risky/chaotic behaviors.Still contradictory statements. Says Dim is town, but then also accuses him of possibly being mafia. Brings back the RL discussion (though he has been mia for awhile) Town Behaviors: Would rather go with a hunch than a RL, but feels a lynch is necessary or town will lose. Misc: all for random lynch- posts that he’s reluctant. Sticks with reluctance, but again is on the “we need to do something NOW train” Back tracks and now is saying RL is a last resort. Didn't answer numerous questions directed at him. 6.) DimmuKlok – + Show Spoiler + Agrees with: Trackd00r, Mementoss Disagress with Mafia Behaviors: First post indicates a strong desire to try to push for a lynch. Town Behaviors: Still thinks we could lynch a lurker to ‘flush out mafia’, but doesn’t want to randomly do it. Recognizes that we are talking circles about Random lynching or not and wants to change topics. Misc:wants to lynch on day 1. But wants to see active posters and seems to want to decide on someone. Against random lynching though. 7.) Sufficiency –. + Show Spoiler + Mafia Behaviors: Wants to RL- pushes this hard. Accusses without any evidence or reasoning. Town Behaviors: Agrees with: Disagrees with: Gunman, OtoshimonU 8.) friedchicken – + Show Spoiler + Mafia Behaviors: poor logic, wants to lynch no matter what. Flips kind of. Would be willing to lynch a lurker, not necessarily random. There could be only town that are lurking however, so this could be a setup. Town Behaviors: 9.) Maverick32x 10.) trackd00r – + Show Spoiler + Agrees with: Pablols Disagrees with: Sufficiency- then flips to say he is town. OtoshimonUx2 Mafia Behaviors: Seems eager in the initial post to try to get people to accuse others right away. Uses past game as evidence of his ability to hunt down mafia to try to set up innocence. Brings up that the activity is too low, but hasn’t posted much. Town Behaviors: Initial post is encouraging and pro-town. Continues this trend, wants to hear people talk. Doesn’t want to RL Misc:Seems positive about staying active. Focuses on wording as his evidence. 11.) OtoshimonoU- + Show Spoiler + Agrees with: Disagrees with: Trakd00r and Dim Mafia Behaviors: Wishy-washy. Willing to along with everyone, seems to be trying to lie low. Town Behaviors: Recognizes the disadvantages of a first day lynch and feels its too hasty. Misc: Against first day lynching since town is at disadvantage- but will go along if everyone else will do it. Defends Trak’s usage of “accusing” and seems to support him. 12.) Beorn1 + Show Spoiler + Mafia Behaviors: Longest Lurker by far. First post has 0 content. Town Behaviors: | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
@trackd00r - I will stay away from partial quotes from now and keep them in context. Even in context, re-read Pablols filter and I still think it is consistent with what I said. I still have a scummy read Pablols. I want to point out a couple of important things, I specifically asked OtU for his opinion in this post On March 02 2012 06:21 Mementoss wrote: I need to go eat supper now will be back later tonight, but let me leave you with this question that you will hopefully answer before my return. Who do you think is scum based on the current situations and clearly outline why using physiological reason /evidence and quotes. Maybe asking questions is the only way to get some sort of articulate posting out of you. And despite being an active poster for the 30 minutes before that defending him self in one liners, he suddenly dissapeared after this request. That was over 3 hours ago. Another things I wanted to point out is the pressure has been getting people talking for better reads (Pablols, OtU) So town, keep this up, except we need more different posters. Without them, the town doesn't have to reply. On this point I made a list. Content related posters (includes at least 1 post unique opinion with logic and evidence to back it up.) Mementoss trackd00r maverick dimmuklok --> interested in your opinion of scum. No unique opinion (bandwagoners) - Little content posts/one liners /derails gunman rainman friedchicken tiystus otoshimoU beornt Quick to judge - Quick fos, multiple FoS, no evidence to back it up Pablos FoS ->(trackd00r, mementoss) Suffiency FoS ->(gunman, OtU) Based on my little list above, I would like to purpose a Plan to the Town. Since voting is in the next 24 hours, I would like every one to post their top 2 scum reads within the next 12 hours. I want to know why they are your scum reads, quoting someone elses opinion is not acceptable. Must be backed up by some evidence, filter quotes, pyscological reasons why they would say that if they were scum, why their behaviour is scummy etc. Many people have said will post later scum opinions and never have. Important READ THIS This plan will be pointless unless ALL town posts, if even 1 town does not post, the mafia can remain silent. If all town posts this forces mafia to post and might cause a slip, if they don't post suspicion is brought upon them. Right now we have about 6 barely active players, even if they are town they aren't coming up with ideas or opinions. This hurts everyones reads on scum. People who have already posted their reads, me, trackd00r, and maverick. Feel free to re look at your reads and repost, but this plan is more focused towards the no opinion/little content posting section. Peace, hopefully this will further prove/enforce some of my reads. | ||
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Maverick32x
United States311 Posts
As for the 'bloodthirsty' comment.. I was reading through my filters and I seriously /facepalmed when I saw that I had written it twice.... I KNEW someone would mention it! I don't really have much else to say about it- I want to keep people pressured, but I don't want to be seen as reckless, emotional and illogical- because I don't make decisions that way. Anyways, I'll follow through with your plan shortly. | ||
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Maverick32x
United States311 Posts
#1: Sufficiency: This guy gets accused HARD. Never responds and keeps lurking. His only response so far has been to accuse others. I didn't like how he just jumped out at people for seemingly no reason. #2: Tiystus: Just a ton of back and forth. Never makes a decision. Really seems to be trying to stay out of the spot light. | ||
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OtoshimonoU
United States509 Posts
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Pablols
Chile519 Posts
Thank you for putting that list together, I like the idea of everyone posting their top suspects and the reasoning behind it. As of now this are my most suspected players Sufficiency: I would really like for this guy to respond to some of the accusations, as it is now he seems to be dodging the questions. Maybe he is just busy with real life, but if he doesn't post again he is definitely worth looking at. Mementoss: I have already explained in detail why I think his accusation towards me was illegitimate since he only responded to parts of my posts and left out crucial information. That is the reason why I think he could be scum, we should never misquote people or leave out important information when calling someone out. Maverick: I suspect you less than the other two, but I must say that the following post made me feel as if you have some sort of connection with Mementoss: "@Mementoss- Good reads. I also want to hear more from sufficiency!!! I know you guys are looking at OtoshimonoU and Pablols, but I didn't get a good a read off them intially... however based on that last post, I will agree that these are my main 3 suspects. Also I specifically asked a couple questions to some people, and I'm curious to see if they're sidestepped or if they confront the question.. " You have the same suspects, and Mementoss later on responds to you in a friendly manner: "... Also this is the second time you mentioned yourself being "bloodthirsty" lol.." | ||
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OtoshimonoU
United States509 Posts
On March 02 2012 11:19 Pablols wrote: @ maverick Thank you for putting that list together, I like the idea of everyone posting their top suspects and the reasoning behind it. As of now this are my most suspected players Sufficiency: I would really like for this guy to respond to some of the accusations, as it is now he seems to be dodging the questions. Maybe he is just busy with real life, but if he doesn't post again he is definitely worth looking at. Mementoss: I have already explained in detail why I think his accusation towards me was illegitimate since he only responded to parts of my posts and left out crucial information. That is the reason why I think he could be scum, we should never misquote people or leave out important information when calling someone out. Maverick: I suspect you less than the other two, but I must say that the following post made me feel as if you have some sort of connection with Mementoss: "@Mementoss- Good reads. I also want to hear more from sufficiency!!! I know you guys are looking at OtoshimonoU and Pablols, but I didn't get a good a read off them intially... however based on that last post, I will agree that these are my main 3 suspects. Also I specifically asked a couple questions to some people, and I'm curious to see if they're sidestepped or if they confront the question.. " You have the same suspects, and Mementoss later on responds to you in a friendly manner: "... Also this is the second time you mentioned yourself being "bloodthirsty" lol.." Dude we have some sort of freaking connection too. I 100% agree with your suspicions on Mementoss, He does attack everyone other than the selected maverick. Mementoss has done an excellent job pushing the accusations on those that seem off from his point of view to get rid of his suspicion and lead every accusation and funnily enough he puts himself a person that is not suspicious. He's very aggressive and myself I like to keep my patience and move slowly because town has a number advantage. Maverick, you might sound very strong in your arguments, but to me it already shows your strange behavior. | ||
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trackd00r
Chile284 Posts
On March 02 2012 11:04 OtoshimonoU wrote: Just a small opinion, Mr.Maverick and Mementoss are controlling the game and thoughts of the game in the Town's perspective. It's possible that they are using an aggressive method of mafia using long persuasive paragraphs. I read Maverick's post and feel he has absolute trust and certainty in Mementoss's accusations and posts. Maybe they just have a connection and my theory is wrong. It's true that they do have a connection and it does to me, seem very strong even if they might be just fellow towns that understand each other's logic. I don't feel the suspicion from neither lurkers nor the accused, they are just new and will not be able to write long constructive ideas without a single clue of evidence nor understanding the underlying message of people's posts. So what I see Mementoss has been giving pressure and Maverick is the back up. As scums they have nothing to gain by saying nothing and not gaining the control of the situation whenever. Those two have most likely the highest amount of posts that will swerve opinions over people. Also Maverick, you need to write something about your own behaviors in your own organization sheet or you just seem to avoid any fault in your own posts. I just don't understand why you jump to the thread, having like 3 people accusing you and yet you bring up a highly WIFOMy case (based on mostly speculation). It looks like you are just skimming through the thread. These kinds of traits might happen subconsciously, and the connections between players don't really represent their alignment. Often, players tend to agree with others because they like their style of posting, or just by the fact they give town reads to each other. There are another stances where we can spot any scummy link. A good example of putting this on practice is the plan brought up by mementoss. But I repeat, these connections often happen, and mafia will actually try to hide them Oto: It's kinda weird though, because you claim that others are taking the lead of the thread. The rest are the only ones that, well, can like prevent this to happen if it was actually of any problem. This includes you, and I haven't seen something substantial from your part. Please respond to my post This goes to Pablols as well, but he was posted much more than Oto, so I don't worry that much about that. | ||
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Pablols
Chile519 Posts
I agree with you on this, everyone needs to be more active. More interactions among more people will result on more information to analyze and then maybe we can make day 1 lynch an educated group decision we won't regret instead of just 3 or 4 players doing everything. Although I suspect Maverick and Momentoss I like the fact that they post often, it's great and we shouldn't discourage it. ----- If it seems like they are taking control of the thread then post, and challenge them when you don't agree. We are all equal at this point and everyone's opinion is worth hearing. | ||
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gunman103
United States84 Posts
#1 Tiystus- He was fine with randomly killing someone early on but then changes his mind later. Seems like one of his scum friends told him what to say. He also never seems to make a decision on anything. #2 Pablols- I think that he overreacted to Mementoss and accuses him with no real reason other than that he was accused by Mementoss. Also, he accuses trackdoor pretty early on in the game with no real evidence against him other than "he is trying too hard to prove his innocence without real proof" a weak argument imo. Mementoss would probably be third simply because he left out a lot of Pablol's statement and left out crucial information. Seems like a scummy thing to do imo. You should never intentionally misquote someone, even though it probably was an accident, you never know. | ||
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Maverick32x
United States311 Posts
I just want to stress this last point. I admit that my posts are gigantic. As for not analyzing myself- feel free to!! The spot is left blank for anyone to put in information about me. I did that on purpose, and even pointed it out. So I encourage anyone to challenge what I'm saying. I posted that to get feedback- not to assert control over everyone. If you read through my spoilers Oto, I specifically point out that Mementoss is shifting the focus off himself and onto you consistently. I enjoy his style of analysis, and I'm liking how thorough he is with his analysis, and in that way we are both similar. Do I agree with everything he says? No. Do I like to have someone to bounce ideas around with? Yes. Maverick, you might sound very strong in your arguments, but to me it already shows your strange behavior. @Oto: I would really be interested to know what it is that you mean by that? Its strange that I'm forming logical arguments? I'm trying to accomplish a goal. If you want to punch holes in my reads, by all means go ahead, but just blanket statements to create doubt doesn't seem like its very helpful. I want to get discussions going based off these reads so we can go into Day 1 Lynch with some suspicions and the ability to make an informed decision (as I've stated numerous times) | ||
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Pablols
Chile519 Posts
On March 02 2012 11:54 gunman103 wrote: Sorry I haven't been able to post much. #1 Tiystus- He was fine with randomly killing someone early on but then changes his mind later. Seems like one of his scum friends told him what to say. He also never seems to make a decision on anything. #2 Pablols- I think that he overreacted to Mementoss and accuses him with no real reason other than that he was accused by Mementoss. Also, he accuses trackdoor pretty early on in the game with no real evidence against him other than "he is trying too hard to prove his innocence without real proof" a weak argument imo. Mementoss would probably be third simply because he left out a lot of Pablol's statement and left out crucial information. Seems like a scummy thing to do imo. You should never intentionally misquote someone, even though it probably was an accident, you never know. Just to clarify I accused mementoss because of the misquote issue, that's it. Other people have called me out but I have had no reason to suspect them and I didn't accuse them. For example, your post, there is no reason to suspect anything. But like I said, misquoting is dangerous play and shouldn't be taking lightly. Even if he isn't part of the mafia, in my opinion, he could be dangerous to the town. Regarding the trackdoor accusation I already took that back, "Regarding my first post, the 2 liner one, I must admit it was pretty bad. It's the first time I play mafia and I am still getting the hang of it. When I posted that I hadn't even finished reading the guide to mafia threads. I don't blame you guys because it does look suspicious. After getting a better understanding of how this works I retract that statement, I do not suspect Trackdoor." | ||
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