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Doc, are you quite certain that if Toades is killed, Dirk isn't mafia? And visa verse?
I think it's feasible that both players flipped red this game.
Toad has been scummy for the larger part of the game - half the shit he's doing doesn't see town driven to me. I keep going back to the one post he made trying to totally absolve himself of Blazinghand flipping town. That shit is not town driven. At all. And if it is town driven, it's flawed at that.
You vote because you think someone is scum. Not because you want to train with the rest of the town and cross you're fingers that he's now telling the truth. I thought he fake-claimed. In fact, I was pretty sure it was a fake-claim. I'll own it. I fucked up on reading him as scum. Toad wants to take no blame for it though.
Also, where the shit has Cwave gone. Replaces Risk.nuke. Posts once. Gone.
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On February 28 2012 11:14 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 11:03 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 28 2012 11:01 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:55 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 28 2012 10:54 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 28 2012 10:50 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 28 2012 10:48 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 28 2012 10:41 Toadesstern wrote:
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That's a really important point I made and I'm going to bring it up again:
The logical conclusion for a townie in wbg's position would be: Mafia would not try to get another wagon but unless Toad is mafia himself, therefore it's either Toad + VE mafia and VE is trying to rescue him or it's ONLY Toad mafia + a confused townie VE who joined the wrong side. OR both are townies.
However, VE being mafia is while I am a townie is the most retarded thing ever. VE could hve easily joined the Toad-wagon and he did not.
So now one might ask why isn't wbg asking himself those questions? I'd consider those things pretty important if I were confused about 4 people and can't figure out which of those 4 are mafia.
I guess by now you guys already figured out what the funny thing about this all is: Wbg isn't asking these questions because he doesn't need to. He's not asking those questions because they are pointless and lead to absolutely no conclusion whatsoever I'm not surprised you'd concoct a defense of VE based on shaky WIFOM wat? That question PROVES I am mafia if he really thinks the way he does. IT PROVES I AM MAFIA OR NONE OF THE GUYS HE WANTS TO LYNCH IS MAFIA. How is that pointless? He said he can deliver you 3/3 mafia if we lynch into VE / RoL / ME. VE is a confirmed townie for me right now because of what I said (that' not bad either, is it?) so 1 is wrong. I am wrong as well but instead of telling people "well that proves toad is mafia" he goes on to pressure prpl? The fuck? no, it doesn't prove anything. It's complete WIFOM because I have no fucking clue what the mafia would do in this situation.The fact that you're insinuating that I could actually find out the answers to those questions makes you look redder. It's funny because if I were in VE's spot as mafia and toades was town I wouldn't vote for Toades at all why not? Why should mafia start a counterwagon and defend me? why shouldn't they? now you've delved into the realm of WIFOM; congratulations, you are now helping waste all of our time more efficiently. Ok, so you think VE is mafia and his masterplan is derping big time instead of going with the ez lynch and because we all see how much towncred got (according to you) from that ingenius move he just it's more likely that he's mafia? Oh crap, you're going after him now, guess his masterplan wasn't that ingenius after all, OR HE'S A FUCKING TOWNIE I see you want to continue wasting time. So you're scum then? How goes the QT? It's not wasting time. Remember AC when noone was asking who got RB'ed the next night? That's what syllo said to me and it was, according to him, one of the most important question to ask. You want to tell me that kind of thing is wifom as well because "hell, for all I know mafia could just chose to note use their RB TO CONFUSE TOWN". No mafia would not do that. What I am talking about is not wifom, just like mafia doing /dance is not a possible explanation to why we had no kills n1. Yet you're not telling me "well that's wifom! Mafia could have willingly chose to not shoot at all to confuse town!" because you know noone would do such a thing. You didn't realize that I had to be mafia according to what you said because I know I can't be mafia and didn't think about it. It's that easy.
the fuck?
I'm not understanding anything you're saying atm. Ofc it's wasting time. Claiming RB and asking circular questions are two different things. In fact, different people have different opinions about RB claims too, and I have no clue what the point of that discussion is. (ex. IMO if there's no KP missing then usually roleblock claims are legit but if there's KP missing then you shouldn't trust a RB claim)
Right now your questions are circular and both myself and Dr. H have independently shown you why that is true. Unless you think both myself and Dr. H are scum then I have no fucking clue why you're still trying to extend this pointless argument.
Here's a hint: when two different and generally reliable players independently come up to the same conclusion for different reasons, it probably means they're right.
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On February 28 2012 10:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 10:48 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 28 2012 10:41 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:16 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:14 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 28 2012 10:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
I didn't say I'd lynch you for claiming - I'll lynch you regardless. I said TOWN would lynch you for claiming - which as you've pointed out, has a pretty decent track-record. you need more than one scumbuddy to lynch me. why should mafia VE come in here and push you instead of just joining the Toad-wagon? That's a really important point I made and I'm going to bring it up again: The logical conclusion for a townie in wbg's position would be: Mafia would not try to get another wagon but unless Toad is mafia himself, therefore it's either Toad + VE mafia and VE is trying to rescue him or it's ONLY Toad mafia + a confused townie VE who joined the wrong side. OR both are townies. However, VE being mafia is while I am a townie is the most retarded thing ever. VE could hve easily joined the Toad-wagon and he did not. So now one might ask why isn't wbg asking himself those questions? I'd consider those things pretty important if I were confused about 4 people and can't figure out which of those 4 are mafia. I guess by now you guys already figured out what the funny thing about this all is: Wbg isn't asking these questions because he doesn't need to. He's not asking those questions because they are pointless and lead to absolutely no conclusion whatsoever I'm not surprised you'd concoct a defense of VE based on shaky WIFOM wat? That question PROVES I am mafia if he really thinks the way he does. IT PROVES I AM MAFIA OR NONE OF THE GUYS HE WANTS TO LYNCH IS MAFIA. How is that pointless? He said he can deliver you 3/3 mafia if we lynch into VE / RoL / ME. VE is a confirmed townie for me right now because of what I said (that' not bad either, is it?) so 1 is wrong. I am wrong as well but instead of telling people "well that proves toad is mafia" he goes on to pressure prpl? The fuck? VE voting for you or not is not indicative of your or his alignment no matter what you flip It, in fact, proves absolutely nothing
holy shit it's irc mafia all over again:
Toad gets shot by mafia 6 times in a row. -> VE: "TOAD COULD BE MAFIA SHOOTING HIMSELF TO LOOK TOWNIE, WE SHOULD LYNCH HIM"
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On February 28 2012 11:17 prplhz wrote:
Yes, VisceraEyes is fucking out of his mind. That doesn't really mean anything though. The premise of your case is "Palmar said he was getting better" and that's not good enough. Find somebody else wherebugsgo or you should really be lynched. You usually push people because they're scum, not because they said some stupid shit.
NO IT ISN'T LOL
You keep fucking putting words in my mouth. The premise isn't "Palmar considers him good" and you KNOW that, yet you take that ONE statement and then misrepresent my ENTIRE case around it.
This is why I'm so pissed off. It doesn't matter what your alignment is at this point, I'm just frustrated.
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On February 28 2012 11:19 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 10:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 28 2012 10:48 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 28 2012 10:41 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:16 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:14 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 28 2012 10:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
I didn't say I'd lynch you for claiming - I'll lynch you regardless. I said TOWN would lynch you for claiming - which as you've pointed out, has a pretty decent track-record. you need more than one scumbuddy to lynch me. why should mafia VE come in here and push you instead of just joining the Toad-wagon? That's a really important point I made and I'm going to bring it up again: The logical conclusion for a townie in wbg's position would be: Mafia would not try to get another wagon but unless Toad is mafia himself, therefore it's either Toad + VE mafia and VE is trying to rescue him or it's ONLY Toad mafia + a confused townie VE who joined the wrong side. OR both are townies. However, VE being mafia is while I am a townie is the most retarded thing ever. VE could hve easily joined the Toad-wagon and he did not. So now one might ask why isn't wbg asking himself those questions? I'd consider those things pretty important if I were confused about 4 people and can't figure out which of those 4 are mafia. I guess by now you guys already figured out what the funny thing about this all is: Wbg isn't asking these questions because he doesn't need to. He's not asking those questions because they are pointless and lead to absolutely no conclusion whatsoever I'm not surprised you'd concoct a defense of VE based on shaky WIFOM wat? That question PROVES I am mafia if he really thinks the way he does. IT PROVES I AM MAFIA OR NONE OF THE GUYS HE WANTS TO LYNCH IS MAFIA. How is that pointless? He said he can deliver you 3/3 mafia if we lynch into VE / RoL / ME. VE is a confirmed townie for me right now because of what I said (that' not bad either, is it?) so 1 is wrong. I am wrong as well but instead of telling people "well that proves toad is mafia" he goes on to pressure prpl? The fuck? VE voting for you or not is not indicative of your or his alignment no matter what you flip It, in fact, proves absolutely nothing holy shit it's irc mafia all over again: Toad gets shot by mafia 6 times in a row. -> VE: "TOAD COULD BE MAFIA SHOOTING HIMSELF TO LOOK TOWNIE, WE SHOULD LYNCH HIM"
you make 0 sense
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On February 28 2012 11:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like seriously Bugs - just calm down and ignore me - I'm not responding to your bullshit anymore as I'm 100% convinced of your guilt.
ignore you why, you can't take the heat?
I see 0 reason for any townie to ever say this; to tell THEIR TARGET to ignore them. Your case is so bad that any townie who sees reason would've dropped it more than 2 pages ago, yet you're still pushing it because you're scum and you passed the point of no return.
Sucks to be you.
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Everyone should be voting either myself of WBG for today's lynch.
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Nah, lets lynch Tyrran.
Does anybody have any evidence pointing at Tyrran being town?
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On February 28 2012 11:20 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 11:19 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 28 2012 10:48 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 28 2012 10:41 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:16 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:14 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 28 2012 10:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
I didn't say I'd lynch you for claiming - I'll lynch you regardless. I said TOWN would lynch you for claiming - which as you've pointed out, has a pretty decent track-record. you need more than one scumbuddy to lynch me. why should mafia VE come in here and push you instead of just joining the Toad-wagon? That's a really important point I made and I'm going to bring it up again: The logical conclusion for a townie in wbg's position would be: Mafia would not try to get another wagon but unless Toad is mafia himself, therefore it's either Toad + VE mafia and VE is trying to rescue him or it's ONLY Toad mafia + a confused townie VE who joined the wrong side. OR both are townies. However, VE being mafia is while I am a townie is the most retarded thing ever. VE could hve easily joined the Toad-wagon and he did not. So now one might ask why isn't wbg asking himself those questions? I'd consider those things pretty important if I were confused about 4 people and can't figure out which of those 4 are mafia. I guess by now you guys already figured out what the funny thing about this all is: Wbg isn't asking these questions because he doesn't need to. He's not asking those questions because they are pointless and lead to absolutely no conclusion whatsoever I'm not surprised you'd concoct a defense of VE based on shaky WIFOM wat? That question PROVES I am mafia if he really thinks the way he does. IT PROVES I AM MAFIA OR NONE OF THE GUYS HE WANTS TO LYNCH IS MAFIA. How is that pointless? He said he can deliver you 3/3 mafia if we lynch into VE / RoL / ME. VE is a confirmed townie for me right now because of what I said (that' not bad either, is it?) so 1 is wrong. I am wrong as well but instead of telling people "well that proves toad is mafia" he goes on to pressure prpl? The fuck? VE voting for you or not is not indicative of your or his alignment no matter what you flip It, in fact, proves absolutely nothing holy shit it's irc mafia all over again: Toad gets shot by mafia 6 times in a row. -> VE: "TOAD COULD BE MAFIA SHOOTING HIMSELF TO LOOK TOWNIE, WE SHOULD LYNCH HIM" you make 0 sense
wifom is a nice excuse and it might be a problem when the cases are both viable options but in the case we got here saying VE has to be mafia because he waltzed in the thread, derping like a pro and made himself the target of your wrath is definitely not impossible but how likely is that?
If you want to play that way everything is wifom. Me saying I am Toad could be a lie because for all I know I could be fucking Santa Claus (let's use Jackals claim from last game ❤ ) and therefore every single meta argument you make about me is invalid because I'm not toad but isntead Santa Claus. You're telling me that's a possibility as well?
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On February 28 2012 11:28 prplhz wrote:
Nah, lets lynch Tyrran.
Does anybody have any evidence pointing at Tyrran being town?
the fact that you want to lynch him
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On February 28 2012 11:28 prplhz wrote:
Nah, lets lynch Tyrran.
Does anybody have any evidence pointing at Tyrran being town?
No way guy - Tyrran isn't threatening town's ability to win the game by remaining silent. We'll lynch Tyrran when people aren't already claiming scum in-thread like WBG.
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On February 28 2012 11:28 prplhz wrote:
Nah, lets lynch Tyrran.
Does anybody have any evidence pointing at Tyrran being town?
he's pretty bad and sucked in AC as well. He's a null for me so no I don't want to lynch him.
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On February 28 2012 11:30 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 11:20 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 28 2012 11:19 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 28 2012 10:48 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 28 2012 10:41 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:16 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:14 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 28 2012 10:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
I didn't say I'd lynch you for claiming - I'll lynch you regardless. I said TOWN would lynch you for claiming - which as you've pointed out, has a pretty decent track-record. you need more than one scumbuddy to lynch me. why should mafia VE come in here and push you instead of just joining the Toad-wagon? That's a really important point I made and I'm going to bring it up again: The logical conclusion for a townie in wbg's position would be: Mafia would not try to get another wagon but unless Toad is mafia himself, therefore it's either Toad + VE mafia and VE is trying to rescue him or it's ONLY Toad mafia + a confused townie VE who joined the wrong side. OR both are townies. However, VE being mafia is while I am a townie is the most retarded thing ever. VE could hve easily joined the Toad-wagon and he did not. So now one might ask why isn't wbg asking himself those questions? I'd consider those things pretty important if I were confused about 4 people and can't figure out which of those 4 are mafia. I guess by now you guys already figured out what the funny thing about this all is: Wbg isn't asking these questions because he doesn't need to. He's not asking those questions because they are pointless and lead to absolutely no conclusion whatsoever I'm not surprised you'd concoct a defense of VE based on shaky WIFOM wat? That question PROVES I am mafia if he really thinks the way he does. IT PROVES I AM MAFIA OR NONE OF THE GUYS HE WANTS TO LYNCH IS MAFIA. How is that pointless? He said he can deliver you 3/3 mafia if we lynch into VE / RoL / ME. VE is a confirmed townie for me right now because of what I said (that' not bad either, is it?) so 1 is wrong. I am wrong as well but instead of telling people "well that proves toad is mafia" he goes on to pressure prpl? The fuck? VE voting for you or not is not indicative of your or his alignment no matter what you flip It, in fact, proves absolutely nothing holy shit it's irc mafia all over again: Toad gets shot by mafia 6 times in a row. -> VE: "TOAD COULD BE MAFIA SHOOTING HIMSELF TO LOOK TOWNIE, WE SHOULD LYNCH HIM" you make 0 sense wifom is a nice excuse and it might be a problem when the cases are both viable options but in the case we got here saying VE has to be mafia because he waltzed in the thread, derping like a pro and made himself the target of your wrath is definitely not impossible but how likely is that? If you want to play that way everything is wifom. Me saying I am Toad could be a lie because for all I know I could be fucking Santa Claus (let's use Jackals claim from last game ❤ ) and therefore every single meta argument you make about me is invalid because I'm not toad but isntead Santa Claus. You're telling me that's a possibility as well?
there's two possibilities here
1. you don't understand what WIFOM is
2. you don't have an interest in having a productive discussion.
You can argue this all you want; your opinion is not tenable because you make assumptions without any evidence suggesting that your assumptions are better than any others. For that reason, you're inclined to believe your own opinion over those of others. Since both myself and Dr. H have already conclusively shown you how you are wrong, you either are refusing to accept that fact or do not understand what we are saying.
It's no wonder we both want to kill you.
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On February 28 2012 11:33 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 11:30 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 11:20 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 28 2012 11:19 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 28 2012 10:48 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 28 2012 10:41 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:16 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:14 wherebugsgo wrote:
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you need more than one scumbuddy to lynch me. why should mafia VE come in here and push you instead of just joining the Toad-wagon? That's a really important point I made and I'm going to bring it up again: The logical conclusion for a townie in wbg's position would be: Mafia would not try to get another wagon but unless Toad is mafia himself, therefore it's either Toad + VE mafia and VE is trying to rescue him or it's ONLY Toad mafia + a confused townie VE who joined the wrong side. OR both are townies. However, VE being mafia is while I am a townie is the most retarded thing ever. VE could hve easily joined the Toad-wagon and he did not. So now one might ask why isn't wbg asking himself those questions? I'd consider those things pretty important if I were confused about 4 people and can't figure out which of those 4 are mafia. I guess by now you guys already figured out what the funny thing about this all is: Wbg isn't asking these questions because he doesn't need to. He's not asking those questions because they are pointless and lead to absolutely no conclusion whatsoever I'm not surprised you'd concoct a defense of VE based on shaky WIFOM wat? That question PROVES I am mafia if he really thinks the way he does. IT PROVES I AM MAFIA OR NONE OF THE GUYS HE WANTS TO LYNCH IS MAFIA. How is that pointless? He said he can deliver you 3/3 mafia if we lynch into VE / RoL / ME. VE is a confirmed townie for me right now because of what I said (that' not bad either, is it?) so 1 is wrong. I am wrong as well but instead of telling people "well that proves toad is mafia" he goes on to pressure prpl? The fuck? VE voting for you or not is not indicative of your or his alignment no matter what you flip It, in fact, proves absolutely nothing holy shit it's irc mafia all over again: Toad gets shot by mafia 6 times in a row. -> VE: "TOAD COULD BE MAFIA SHOOTING HIMSELF TO LOOK TOWNIE, WE SHOULD LYNCH HIM" you make 0 sense wifom is a nice excuse and it might be a problem when the cases are both viable options but in the case we got here saying VE has to be mafia because he waltzed in the thread, derping like a pro and made himself the target of your wrath is definitely not impossible but how likely is that? If you want to play that way everything is wifom. Me saying I am Toad could be a lie because for all I know I could be fucking Santa Claus (let's use Jackals claim from last game ❤ ) and therefore every single meta argument you make about me is invalid because I'm not toad but isntead Santa Claus. You're telling me that's a possibility as well? there's two possibilities here 1. you don't understand what WIFOM is 2. you don't have an interest in having a productive discussion. You can argue this all you want; your opinion is not tenable because you make assumptions without any evidence suggesting that your assumptions are better than any others. For that reason, you're inclined to believe your own opinion over those of others. Since both myself and Dr. H have already conclusively shown you how you are wrong, you either are refusing to accept that fact or do not understand what we are saying. It's no wonder we both want to kill you.
I know what wifom is, nevertheless assuming I am mafia would be the BY FAR most reasonable explanation. You did not see that and didn't even think about it.
After all it's still to some degree a game of robabilities. Would you say "A looks good, he was the first to point out X, Y and Z could be mafia and A heavily pushed them" is wifom as well because it could be possible that A bussed 3 of his mafia members to get towncred and win the game himself?
Of course you would not because it's a possibility there's no reason to assume that kind of bullshit unless you got a PRETTY good reason to assume that kind of stuff.
Assuming VE is a mafia trying to build a counterwagon while getting himself killed (if it were up to you) is just so incredible unlikely.
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On February 28 2012 11:40 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 11:33 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 28 2012 11:30 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 11:20 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 28 2012 11:19 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 28 2012 10:48 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 28 2012 10:41 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:16 Toadesstern wrote:
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why should mafia VE come in here and push you instead of just joining the Toad-wagon? That's a really important point I made and I'm going to bring it up again: The logical conclusion for a townie in wbg's position would be: Mafia would not try to get another wagon but unless Toad is mafia himself, therefore it's either Toad + VE mafia and VE is trying to rescue him or it's ONLY Toad mafia + a confused townie VE who joined the wrong side. OR both are townies. However, VE being mafia is while I am a townie is the most retarded thing ever. VE could hve easily joined the Toad-wagon and he did not. So now one might ask why isn't wbg asking himself those questions? I'd consider those things pretty important if I were confused about 4 people and can't figure out which of those 4 are mafia. I guess by now you guys already figured out what the funny thing about this all is: Wbg isn't asking these questions because he doesn't need to. He's not asking those questions because they are pointless and lead to absolutely no conclusion whatsoever I'm not surprised you'd concoct a defense of VE based on shaky WIFOM wat? That question PROVES I am mafia if he really thinks the way he does. IT PROVES I AM MAFIA OR NONE OF THE GUYS HE WANTS TO LYNCH IS MAFIA. How is that pointless? He said he can deliver you 3/3 mafia if we lynch into VE / RoL / ME. VE is a confirmed townie for me right now because of what I said (that' not bad either, is it?) so 1 is wrong. I am wrong as well but instead of telling people "well that proves toad is mafia" he goes on to pressure prpl? The fuck? VE voting for you or not is not indicative of your or his alignment no matter what you flip It, in fact, proves absolutely nothing holy shit it's irc mafia all over again: Toad gets shot by mafia 6 times in a row. -> VE: "TOAD COULD BE MAFIA SHOOTING HIMSELF TO LOOK TOWNIE, WE SHOULD LYNCH HIM" you make 0 sense wifom is a nice excuse and it might be a problem when the cases are both viable options but in the case we got here saying VE has to be mafia because he waltzed in the thread, derping like a pro and made himself the target of your wrath is definitely not impossible but how likely is that? If you want to play that way everything is wifom. Me saying I am Toad could be a lie because for all I know I could be fucking Santa Claus (let's use Jackals claim from last game ❤ ) and therefore every single meta argument you make about me is invalid because I'm not toad but isntead Santa Claus. You're telling me that's a possibility as well? there's two possibilities here 1. you don't understand what WIFOM is 2. you don't have an interest in having a productive discussion. You can argue this all you want; your opinion is not tenable because you make assumptions without any evidence suggesting that your assumptions are better than any others. For that reason, you're inclined to believe your own opinion over those of others. Since both myself and Dr. H have already conclusively shown you how you are wrong, you either are refusing to accept that fact or do not understand what we are saying. It's no wonder we both want to kill you. I know what wifom is, nevertheless assuming I am mafia would be the BY FAR most reasonable explanation. You did not see that and didn't even think about it. After all it's still to some degree a game of robabilities. Would you say "A looks good, he was the first to point out X, Y and Z could be mafia and A heavily pushed them" is wifom as well because it could be possible that A bussed 3 of his mafia members to get towncred and win the game himself? Of course you would not because it's a possibility there's no reason to assume that kind of bullshit unless you got a PRETTY good reason to assume that kind of stuff. Assuming VE is a mafia trying to build a counterwagon while getting himself killed (if it were up to you) is just so incredible unlikely.
turns out you don't know what WIFOM is
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On February 28 2012 11:19 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 10:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 28 2012 10:48 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 28 2012 10:41 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:16 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 10:14 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 28 2012 10:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
I didn't say I'd lynch you for claiming - I'll lynch you regardless. I said TOWN would lynch you for claiming - which as you've pointed out, has a pretty decent track-record. you need more than one scumbuddy to lynch me. why should mafia VE come in here and push you instead of just joining the Toad-wagon? That's a really important point I made and I'm going to bring it up again: The logical conclusion for a townie in wbg's position would be: Mafia would not try to get another wagon but unless Toad is mafia himself, therefore it's either Toad + VE mafia and VE is trying to rescue him or it's ONLY Toad mafia + a confused townie VE who joined the wrong side. OR both are townies. However, VE being mafia is while I am a townie is the most retarded thing ever. VE could hve easily joined the Toad-wagon and he did not. So now one might ask why isn't wbg asking himself those questions? I'd consider those things pretty important if I were confused about 4 people and can't figure out which of those 4 are mafia. I guess by now you guys already figured out what the funny thing about this all is: Wbg isn't asking these questions because he doesn't need to. He's not asking those questions because they are pointless and lead to absolutely no conclusion whatsoever I'm not surprised you'd concoct a defense of VE based on shaky WIFOM wat? That question PROVES I am mafia if he really thinks the way he does. IT PROVES I AM MAFIA OR NONE OF THE GUYS HE WANTS TO LYNCH IS MAFIA. How is that pointless? He said he can deliver you 3/3 mafia if we lynch into VE / RoL / ME. VE is a confirmed townie for me right now because of what I said (that' not bad either, is it?) so 1 is wrong. I am wrong as well but instead of telling people "well that proves toad is mafia" he goes on to pressure prpl? The fuck? VE voting for you or not is not indicative of your or his alignment no matter what you flip It, in fact, proves absolutely nothing holy shit it's irc mafia all over again: Toad gets shot by mafia 6 times in a row. -> VE: "TOAD COULD BE MAFIA SHOOTING HIMSELF TO LOOK TOWNIE, WE SHOULD LYNCH HIM"
i shouldn't have to explain why that is completely irrelevant because you don't even know if you get shot or saved what does that have to do with anything
it proves nothing that VE isn't bandwagoning you, why would he abandon his case from Day 2 for an easy lynch you're aware that there is more than 1 person that is scum and they will all act differently and probably vote in different ways right they're not all just going to pile on you
im pretty sure im the only person voting you right now too so it's not like this is some super easy bandwagon they can all go under and VE has been pushing WBG for a while now.
i see absolutely no logic whatsoever in how this would ever even take an inch of suspicion off of VE in a hundred million years much less how it would CONFIRM and PROVE he is town to you or anybody
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Meh.
I don't really want to lynch into VisceraEyes/wherebugsgo because they're both reasonably active but if I have to then I'll lynch wherebugsgo. I think there's something off about him. Just his "All the three people accusing me of being scum in this thread are scum.". That's fucking insane.
I'd much rather lynch into those people who are abusing the activity requirements. I mean, write a fucking post. I don't agree at all with DoctorHelvetica's "lets leave low-activity people for later". Everybody here has a page or two of posts and that should be enough that we can get a read on them. I think we could lynch chaoser and there seems to be consensus about that among all the people present right now. Here's his filter. He hasn't said a thing for two days now and he doesn't seem to care much about the game with the "When's deadline?" and seems to be faking activity with "I'll do votecounts myself.". He was only reasonably active during day1 but since then he doesn't seem to care about the game (that's gone way off track).
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They're actually totally right Toad - the fact that I'm not voting for you is NOT indicative of my alignment. While I agree that if I were scum, I'd have taken the gift of a town-Toad mislynch lain before me in the case of town-DocH and town-WBG, the fact of the matter is that I think WBG is scum and I think you're town being setup for easy mislynch.
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On February 28 2012 11:59 prplhz wrote:Meh. I don't really want to lynch into VisceraEyes/wherebugsgo because they're both reasonably active but if I have to then I'll lynch wherebugsgo. I think there's something off about him. Just his "All the three people accusing me of being scum in this thread are scum.". That's fucking insane. I'd much rather lynch into those people who are abusing the activity requirements. I mean, write a fucking post. I don't agree at all with DoctorHelvetica's "lets leave low-activity people for later". Everybody here has a page or two of posts and that should be enough that we can get a read on them. I think we could lynch chaoser and there seems to be consensus about that among all the people present right now. Here's his filter. He hasn't said a thing for two days now and he doesn't seem to care much about the game with the "When's deadline?" and seems to be faking activity with "I'll do votecounts myself.". He was only reasonably active during day1 but since then he doesn't seem to care about the game (that's gone way off track).
so there's 3 people trying to lynch me?
AFAIK there's only 2, unless you know something that I don't.
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