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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On February 28 2012 10:55 kitaman27 wrote: I just spent 2 hours on my power ranking  Also, I have no idea why I would be confirmed town to you. ![[image loading]](http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/2/22423/1465854-yoda1_super.jpg) it's cause you drank the good stuff | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On February 28 2012 10:55 prplhz wrote: @DoctorHelvetica This isn't another dumb ploy where you're shifting your vote from player X to player Y to pressure them and then switching back to player X because that's who you actually thought was scum all the time? Because that's pretty shabby to do mere hours before deadline. Do you actually have a scum read on anybody here or are you just going to make 50 cases and then never do anything about it? I don't see why syllogism was fine with wherebugsgo and why he didn't see how any townie would want to lynch DoctorHelvetica. They're both quite good at this game, they're both quite active, they're both surprisingly full of shit. I changed my mind, if you can tell me why that's scummy I'll make a video of me eating soap BC didn't impress me Day 2 and I think he's probably scum but I feel very very secure in Toades. I'm well known for second guessing myself and changing votes often. Radfield and jayjay concocted this to be the lynchpin of a fake case on me and to throw suspicion on me in Arkham City, because it is very normal in my town meta but easy to call scummy too I thought RoL was scum Day 2, I changed my vote when BH became more suspicious to me I thought BC was scum Day 1 and still do, I changed my vote because I was equally sure about RedFF and thought Day 2 would give me a better idea about BC's alignment I've only done one fake thing in this entire game and no one really caught onto it like I was hoping so it doesn't matter | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On February 28 2012 10:58 wherebugsgo wrote: it's cause you drank the good stuff But why does that make me confirmed town? Are scum incapable of drinking the good stuff? :/ | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On February 28 2012 10:55 wherebugsgo wrote: why shouldn't they? now you've delved into the realm of WIFOM; congratulations, you are now helping waste all of our time more efficiently. Ok, so you think VE is mafia and his masterplan is derping big time instead of going with the ez lynch and because we all see how much towncred got (according to you) from that ingenius move he just it's more likely that he's mafia? Oh crap, you're going after him now, guess his masterplan wasn't that ingenius after all, OR HE'S A FUCKING TOWNIE | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On February 28 2012 10:59 kitaman27 wrote: Also, DrH, you never responded to my question earlier. What triggered you to move to blazing over RoL yesterday? Do you believe "giving up" is a town RoL response? Thought BH was scummier and lost confidence in my read once I started second-guessing myself mostly based on RoL's personality and remembering how things were with youngminii when we played together. I figured RoL, being more inactive, is better left to vigilantes since a bandwagon on an inactive player doesn't move discussion | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On February 28 2012 11:00 kitaman27 wrote: But why does that make me confirmed town? Are scum incapable of drinking the good stuff? :/ it doesn't make you confirmed, just near confirmed. At least, if you're not town that means we've already lost. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
Does stupid and bad mean that wherebugsgo is likely to be scum? Yea. He's a smart guy, I have no fucking clue why he's doing this. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On February 28 2012 11:01 Toadesstern wrote: Ok, so you think VE is mafia and his masterplan is derping big time instead of going with the ez lynch and because we all see how much towncred got (according to you) from that ingenius move he just it's more likely that he's mafia? Oh crap, you're going after him now, guess his masterplan wasn't that ingenius after all, OR HE'S A FUCKING TOWNIE I see you want to continue wasting time. So you're scum then? How goes the QT? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
On February 28 2012 10:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote: VisceraEyes has looked scummy for a long time. His case on WBG is grasping at straws, especially the fact that you're pushing a player Day 3 based on loud posts Day 1? You didn't catch onto his question to syllo then? Here's how scum play often works: Scum 1: I need to push a bandwagon today so X doesn't get lynched Scum 2: WBG has been pretty spammy, changed his mind a lot, etc. he might be an easy candidate Scum 1: Hm, ok I'll make a post about it I'm still reading all the posts here but it seems like VE is criticizing WBG for buddying? Also this: "Role fishing" imo is one of those things that scum accuses other townies of doing it's supposed to be "Scummy" but in 5 or 6 games as scum I have never really done it or known any teammates to do it either, except in PM games where it's pretty easy and often town roles have a lot of incentive to rolefish Is this really that different than what WBG did? Inversely, for my ease of writing. Yes, that's vastly different than what WBG asked of Syllo - for the same reasons the question I posted earlier. I asked Syllo a specific question, relevant to something I was looking at. His answer, while unhelpful to me in the long run, helped me get a read on Syllo. Not only was the question specific, I immediately gave him MY thoughts on the question I asked, encouraging him to respond in an informative and relevant way by providing context to the question. If you'll look at WBG's post, it was literally "what are your thoughts on redFF? I think I may have been mistaken all game" First of all, the question was vague as fuck. His thoughts? Does he mean regarding his skill-level or alignment? Does he mean regarding redFF's demeanor or his play in Sleeper Cell 2? Obviously we can assume he was just asking him about his alignment, but we don't REALLY know do we? Not only that, but he goes on to say "I think I may have been mistaken all game"...which doesn't provide any context at all! Why? Because all game long, all WBG has had to say is "I have no idea what redFF's alignment is! I only know that he's sooooooo bad!" Now, regarding my comment about syllo "rolefishing" was designed specifically to gauge his reaction - because what I said was absolutely correct - the existence of one town-aligned tracker did NOT preclude the possibility of a second one and his plan was based on that assumption, which he goes on to admit in his response. The fact that he responded in that fashion pretty much cemented my town-read on syllo. Re: WBG's Buddying - I'm not really criticizing bugs' buddying - I only pointed out that it was there and posited why it might have occurred. There have been several instances of bugs' buddying that I completely ignored, because I don't find the 'buddying' to be particularly scummy. It was the intent that I had a problem with - like, he was buddying chaoser in that post, but why? He then goes on to accuse chaoser of being scum before jumping onboard the redFF wagon. It's all about a larger picture here that I'm trying to put together, but the only piece I'm certain of at this point is Bugs. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On February 28 2012 11:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Thought BH was scummier and lost confidence in my read once I started second-guessing myself mostly based on RoL's personality and remembering how things were with youngminii when we played together. I figured RoL, being more inactive, is better left to vigilantes since a bandwagon on an inactive player doesn't move discussion You think there is a vigilante after RoL or chaoser wasn't shot last night? Do you think he would be a better lynch tomorrow if he lives another night? I'm really not sure what we gain by keeping a likely scum player alive. On that note, I've been tricked into putting off my hw yet again. bbl | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On February 28 2012 11:02 prplhz wrote: Okay, I mean, it's just so stupid of wherebugsgo to be all "lets split our votes between these three, then we will hit scum today". It's stupid for the obvious reason that Toadesstern pointed out and it's stupid because one of them isn't even red on his next list. Right now wherebugsgo seems to legitimately be pushing the idea that out of the 5 people who are active in this thread right now, the 3 that are pushing him are all scum. This is just so bad. Does stupid and bad mean that wherebugsgo is likely to be scum? Yea. He's a smart guy, I have no fucking clue why he's doing this. who's not red on my next list? I consider RoL to be reddish but I didn't have him on that list because he didn't vote BH. I have something like 7 red reads right now. Yeah, they can't all be scum obviously. But I really wish I had a machine gun so I could just kill them all indiscriminately. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On February 28 2012 10:57 wherebugsgo wrote: agreed. However, I don't care atm because it's a waste of time. Do you think RoL is mafia? prpl? VE? I assume since you still have your vote on Toad you still think he is scum. If I had to guess right now I'd say the scum team is between these 5: Toades/Dirk BC VE RoL I think it's gonna be 4 of these players. I feel uncomfortable about you and I feel uncomfortable about Kitaman, risk.nuke, and Jitsu but I need to read more on that. I think our DT's should check inactive players. As far as RoL, he definitely has the personality type to react this way even as town, unfortunately. I don't like lynching people like this because I'm so bad with second guessing myself. I really don't like rolling town at all. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On February 28 2012 11:03 kitaman27 wrote: You think there is a vigilante after RoL or chaoser wasn't shot last night? Do you think he would be a better lynch tomorrow if he lives another night? I'm really not sure what we gain by keeping a likely scum player alive. On that note, I've been tricked into putting off my hw yet again. bbl Dunno, could have hit a vet or a medic blocked player or a mafia vet or a mafia medic or something, or no vig, or a day vig, it's a closed setup. I think inactive/lurky players should be lynched once the vocal scum suspects are gone. They are the lower priority imo | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On February 28 2012 11:03 wherebugsgo wrote: I see you want to continue wasting time. So you're scum then? How goes the QT? It's not wasting time. Remember AC when noone was asking who got RB'ed the next night? That's what syllo said to me and it was, according to him, one of the most important question to ask. You want to tell me that kind of thing is wifom as well because "hell, for all I know mafia could just chose to note use their RB TO CONFUSE TOWN". No mafia would not do that. What I am talking about is not wifom, just like mafia doing /dance is not a possible explanation to why we had no kills n1. Yet you're not telling me "well that's wifom! Mafia could have willingly chose to not shoot at all to confuse town!" because you know noone would do such a thing. You didn't realize that I had to be mafia according to what you said because I know I can't be mafia and didn't think about it. It's that easy. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
What do you guys think about that? | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On February 28 2012 11:03 VisceraEyes wrote: Inversely, for my ease of writing. Yes, that's vastly different than what WBG asked of Syllo - for the same reasons the question I posted earlier. I asked Syllo a specific question, relevant to something I was looking at. Holy fuck. Okay VE. Here's where I prove you're full of shit. Here's what I asked syllo: On February 22 2012 06:37 wherebugsgo wrote: syllo can you give me your opinion on redFF? I think I was completely wrong about him. Here's something you asked BC: On February 21 2012 11:59 VisceraEyes wrote: /salute What are your thoughts on redFF BC? I'm almost convinced that he's just bad and not scum, but I'd like your thoughts before I act on it. Okay. WHAT THE FUCK IS THE DIFFERENCE? The straw grasping is just blowing my mind right now, I can't believe anyone would actually seriously consider this an adequate reason to call someone scum. His answer, while unhelpful to me in the long run, helped me get a read on Syllo. Not only was the question specific, I immediately gave him MY thoughts on the question I asked, encouraging him to respond in an informative and relevant way by providing context to the question. If you'll look at WBG's post, it was literally "what are your thoughts on redFF? I think I may have been mistaken all game" First of all, the question was vague as fuck. His thoughts? Does he mean regarding his skill-level or alignment? Does he mean regarding redFF's demeanor or his play in Sleeper Cell 2? Obviously we can assume he was just asking him about his alignment, but we don't REALLY know do we? Not only that, but he goes on to say "I think I may have been mistaken all game"...which doesn't provide any context at all! Why? Because all game long, all WBG has had to say is "I have no idea what redFF's alignment is! I only know that he's sooooooo bad!" rofl. So you're calling me out for being "vague" when you were equally vague with more than half of your questions to people this game. There is no way that anything I did was alignment-indicative yet you are grasping at straws to try and make it so, when you were guilty of the same thing you were accusing me of. The huge double standard is pretty much why I'm leaving my vote on VE right now. Also, I said he was unreadable for the first half of day 1. That's not all game long. What the fuck else would I ask if not syllo's thoughts on redFF's alignment? Like seriously, the fuck is this? First of all, the question was vague as fuck. His thoughts? Does he mean regarding his skill-level or alignment? Does he mean regarding redFF's demeanor or his play in Sleeper Cell 2? Obviously we can assume he was just asking him about his alignment, but we don't REALLY know do we? LOL WHAT? In what world do you come to this conclusion? this case is fucking indefensible. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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