Storm Mafia - Page 16

On March 04 2012 12:29 kitaman27 wrote:
although it might be more likely that BC is the roleblocker if bugs is trying so hard to prove he is the scum medic

On March 05 2012 17:16 wherebugsgo wrote:
also, you shot n1?

so you're a confirmed liar now too? well, this is nice

On March 05 2012 17:26 Toadesstern wrote:

no I did not. I just mentioned my shot as an explanation for mafia having a medic as well. Probably shouldn't have done that under my "n1 part" or at least highlighted that my shot still was on n3.

What you said about the poisoner being oneshot is true. Maybe it's a twoshot poisoner and we had another protection on n3 resulting in only one flip but I'm pretty sure I mentioned the possibility somewhere. Anyways n4 had no kills and the shitstorm (for mafia) started AFTER the night action deadline yet BEFORE we lynched RoL. So they would have used his ability it it's an unlimited ability.

Maybe it's a 1-shot poisoner, sounds a little weak but it sure looks like what we got according the kills.
Maybe it's a 2-shot poisoner, sounds reasonable but we're missing a kill so that would mean 2 protections imo, which is fine for me as well.
However I doubt it was unlimited because of the shitstorm-timing.

About you're question why should mafia chose to not shoot? To save your ass and buff your medic claim or to confuse us and make us think they wanted to save your ass, therefore painting you read. I'm totally happy with lynching you since it's the first one.

On March 05 2012 18:03 wherebugsgo wrote:


We don't know how medic protections work against poisoners (heck we don't even know how the poisoner works) so we're still just makings assumptions here. Unnecessary ones at that.

Besides; my original point was that kita was trying to use the 2 KP argument as to why I shouldn't have acted last night. Based on only kurumi dying on n3 I see no reason to even assume there was 2 consistent KP to begin with. So why would he say that?



cause the lack of a kill is clearly saving me right now, right?

And, I already refuted what you just said. If I'm mafia, not shooting would save me, at best, for one day. That accomplishes nothing because I die the next day (since kita would be town) and mafia would not win. Secondly, though this is not as conclusive as what I just said, if I'm mafia, why would I pick VE to call confirmed town and not my buddy between layabout+Tyrran? Why pick VE over anyone else, when for a whole day I pushed VE? VE would be the last person I would call confirmed town, simply because if I were mafia I'd be trying to lynch him right now. Just look at what he's doing (aka nothing). He'd be a great target to call scum, not town.
What's funniest is that you just fucked up your fake vig claim. Too bad once I die town loses, since I'm the only one capable of stopping a night hit :/

On March 05 2012 18:49 wherebugsgo wrote:
-_- how thick are you? Both Jitsu and Cwave denied getting any PMs about being masoned, which means I WAS NOT ROLEBLOCKED.

yay logic.

also how the fuck did layabout suddenly become my scumbuddy? what is this bs?

I didn't claim to be roleblocked today. In fact, I claim today I couldn't have been roleblocked except in the remote circumstance that there is more than one scum roleblocker. The idea itself is senseless. And, of course I protected someone. If there was another protective role, they would have counterclaimed me because that would 100% hammer my lynch.

And yet again you dodge my question regarding the evidence for me being scum.

On March 05 2012 19:05 wherebugsgo wrote:


no.
1)
a counterclaim right now would be a mafia counterclaim to ensure my lynch. Why? Because even if there is somehow ANOTHER town medic (which would be fucking broken, 3 prot roles in a game with max 2 scum KP) if they believed I was scum lying about my claim they would have counterclaimed a long time ago. Indeed the only reason they would do that is if they themselves protected VE.
2)
However scum, if bold enough, would counterclaim me right now because no one would move their vote off me in that case. Given the state of this game and how it's played out, though, scum are not that bold, they're lurking pussies. That's why I didn't hesitate in claiming yesterday (it was also because I made a realization that was so huge I needed to claim in order for it to make sense) and that's also why I don't fear a scum counterclaim. They'd just out themselves unnecessarily and if there is a KP role left when I die they'd risk getting shot, particularly as they don't need to do anything more to ensure my lynch.

The funniest part about yesterday was kita claiming a weaker version of what I claimed, a couple hours after I claimed in the QT.
3)
Anyone who actually wants to win as town, just ask yourself those questions that I posed earlier in the thread and you'll see why kita can't possibly be town. Why as a town role that confirms people would he ever visit someone other than syllo n1? Why wouldn't he visit me? Why would he visit Toad? Why would he visit Cwave (the fuck?)

Why wouldn't he visit BC? Or RoL? Or me? Or syllo? Or VE? All of these players are better potential checks than ANY of the players he considered. Visiting Cwave (rofl) is just retarded, and kita is not that dumb as town.

These "checks" are essentially of the same caliber as supersoft's from PYP:I. He was scum hider, and he hid behind people who were never going to get shot. He was dumb enough to truthfully provide these, so I got town to nuke him.

On March 05 2012 19:11 Tyrran wrote:


That's a pretty weak argument. If they had received their PM and were town, they would have claimed by now.

There is something that doesn't make sense. Unless layabout was spamming F5 and actually managed to post 3 minute after I announced who was masoned, he knew who I masoned. Which pretty much means that there is a tracker in the scum team. (This also means that redFF was likely blue). But if they tracked me, why would they also roleblock me. This doesnt help support layabouts claim.

On March 06 2012 17:56 Cwave wrote:


Are you admitting 3rd party here?

On March 06 2012 21:32 kitaman27 wrote:
nope -_-

On March 06 2012 23:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


Because he is not playing with the same information that you do, there is only one possible explanation for that -_-

To give everyone a bit of food for thought here.

Assume that redff was a misslynch (as everyone already seems to) and he claimed tracker. He had no reason to lie so lets assume its legit for a second.

Blazinghand was a floridian

Syllogism was an alchemeist

DrH was the forensic expert

Dirkzor was the suicide bomber

We know that there exists a role called operator or phone operator that masons two people daily. That currently is 6 blue roles.

We have 2 people claiming operator, and we have two people claiming

kita as coward

and toad as avenger.

That would make 8 blue roles for town vs 4 mafia who at this point provided the day 1 flip was mafia covered 4 roles. Given that most of the flipped roles were day acting powers (which makes the roleblocker very near useless) it seems unlikely that we have more than 6 roles.

Now, everyone will be like "stop spouting nonsense, or shut up scum" or the like. But seriously think this through. Toad claimed a role that conveniently missed. Kita claimed a role that doesn't make sense given the name he claimed of his role. He claimed a role only at mylo (he had his check earlier).

Yet both these players are viewed as confirmed. Neither can prove what they say is true and it is pure belief from everyone that they are. Do any of you now see why I view roleclaimers as instantly suspect? There is a reason that the personality role linked to me is shooting roleclaimers. Of toad and kita, I believe both to be lying as that would make more town blue roles than town green roles and it would be double the amount of mafia which also seems unlikely.

As such of the two of them one may be actually real. I strongly doubt this but it is possible. As such I strongly believe that there is a red between kita and toad, and a red between layabout and tyrran.

On March 07 2012 05:13 layabout wrote:
EBWOP: who knew that " " " messed up spoilers?

On March 07 2012 06:42 Jitsu wrote:
Hmmmm.

To build on that, VE, why would RoL vote for his scum member like he did?

If my scum teammate gets counterclaimed in thread, I wouldn't auto vote switch for my teammate if I was on the lynch pedestal. It doesn't make sense for him to do that.

On March 07 2012 06:59 kitaman27 wrote:


You're trying to make sense out of one of the most irrelevant events in the thread.

Layabout -> BC -> Tyrran seems like a reasonable lynch order to me (assuming we have a mislynch to spare after tonight)

On March 07 2012 06:57 Jitsu wrote:
I'm not disagreeing with the fact that if Derpface Townie switches votes, RoL forces a lynch on Toad.

I'm bringing up the fact that he picked LayAbout. Wouldn't it be pretty easy to just discredit Tyrran and vote for him and try to force townies to vote for a townie looking person then for a scum buddy?