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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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Paperscraps
United States639 Posts
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mderg
Germany1740 Posts
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SpiritClown
Italy35 Posts
On February 15 2012 01:57 mderg wrote: I support the double lynch as long as every lynch is well reasoned... not like "He was always anti-town in previous games" I Agree. | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
[16:01:49] <Palmar> double lynch is ridiculously town favored [16:02:31] <Palmar> both statistically and logically [16:03:00] <Palmar> it's very common that there is one scum candidate in the top 3 targets for a lynch [16:03:10] <Palmar> but it's quite uncommon that the scum actually gets lynched [16:03:20] <Palmar> by forcing double lynches that chance is higher [16:03:23] <Palmar> in addition [16:03:29] <mderg> but there could also be no scum in the top candidates at all [16:03:33] <Palmar> of course [16:03:42] <Palmar> but that means we're terrible [16:03:44] <Palmar> and I'm not terrible [16:03:49] <mderg> so there must be good reasons for lynching them [16:03:52] <Palmar> of course [16:04:00] <Palmar> a pretty good reason is me saying so [16:04:13] <mderg> we can´t just double lynch for the sake of double lynching [16:04:19] <Palmar> of course we can [16:04:25] <Mattchew> lol [16:05:19] <mderg> we can but it doesn´t make sense [16:07:17] <Grackaroni> I can agree with double lynching In addition even if we mislynch one out of two that still favours town, plus as previously mentioned it allows for scum to give something away in the final stages of voting. What I want to reiterate this point from BC's guide: + Show Spoiler + One leader This has been a problem in many games. One player in thread or in PM’s is solidified as the primary leader of the town. It somehow falls on them to do almost all the heavy lifting in the game. This causes multiple issues. If they are red, town instantly loses. If they are not careful and information is leaked to mafia, town will lose. If they are not confident in their decisions the town will become confused and you will typically lose. If you die, town is thrown into chaos and usually implodes. This can be solved by not centralizing leadership on one person. In PM games smaller 2-5 member groups thinking as small cells and analyzing/pushing beliefs, etc… are more effective than one single leader. Multiple strong personalities in a thread (see L, Ace, etc.) Multiple players like that in a thread will argue, clash and ultimately things will get done. It also lets town get a better idea of alignment on players as the more aggressive they are the more analysis you can perform on them. Anyone can learn the thread presence that the bigger named players possess and all it requires is confidence in your own abilities, and learning to not back down. Sometimes you will be wrong, but if multiple people do this in a game you get essentially an in game thought circle. People will toss ideas at each other and ultimately stronger analysis is usually accomplished. If you notice only one player is stepping up and you feel you have an important point to add, push it through. Your opinion may be disagreed with but that doesn’t make it any less valid. As much as I understand Palmar's reputation as a first-class scumhunter, lets make sure that the reasoning is sound for any case that is made and that we do not fall into the logical fallacy (I love that word) that is the appeal to authority. This goes for everyone oc. PS: am going out to dinner tonight... don't judge me. | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
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rgTheSchworz
Romania425 Posts
Might actually bring the guy in thread or on IRC. Also, stop talking about Double lynch. It s very likely that 2 town will be lynched D1 if we do that just for the sake of it. Waste of lynching power. I´m not in favor of it unless someone makes a great slip and we actually have a decent backup. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
I've yet to see any good arguments for anyone being scum in this thread, although I would like to hear Sinani defend himself. I'm sorry, pistachio loving bro, but phagga does bring up some good points. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
I will say though that Lanaia and prplhz were pretty much united through the last IRC log. If one of them flips scum, I can almost guarantee that that's the wolfpack... and with Sinani being cloudy between that exchange and the time I signed on, I have him in my sights too. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
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Lanaia
Canada1142 Posts
On February 15 2012 06:11 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Sinani signed on just as I signed off, so I didn't see him personally do anything supsicious in IRC... so I can't do anything about that. I'll wait for him to post, if I feel he's being explicitly scummy I'll add a vote on him. I will say though that Lanaia and prplhz were pretty much united through the last IRC log. If one of them flips scum, I can almost guarantee that that's the wolfpack... and with Sinani being cloudy between that exchange and the time I signed on, I have him in my sights too. I just think it's silly that people think he's scum solely because of what he's done in regards to asking roles. It just seems a bit overboard, no? | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On February 14 2012 21:15 SpiritClown wrote: Happy Valentine's Day guys and gals! :D So who should we be lynching today? ^^ And sorry laya and Blazing  And we lost a doctor... so sad You scum bro? | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On February 15 2012 06:52 Lanaia wrote: I just think it's silly that people think he's scum solely because of what he's done in regards to asking roles. It just seems a bit overboard, no? I'm not saying he's scum because of that. In fact I even told him that he was in the right for doing that. I'm saying if either of you flip scum, the other probably is too. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On February 15 2012 07:05 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I'm not saying he's scum because of that. In fact I even told him that he was in the right for doing that. I'm saying if either of you flip scum, the other probably is too. Maybe but if somone is collecting votes for reasoning that doesn't make sense to you, it should be obvious that you would defend them right? I mean you could be wrong and they could be scum but they could be town. So if they are being lynched for a dumb reason you should sure as hell say something about it. Doesn't mean you are on the same team. I don't get scum vibes from Lanaia, it would have been too easy to jump onto the Prpl wagon yesterday, or say nothing. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
zeurg He is actively lurking and refusing to contribute. [22:45:08] *** Joins: zeurg (webchat@c-174-59-222-135.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) [23:14:23] <Mattchew> how long has zeurg been here [23:14:46] <zeurg> I missed a yesterday so I've been catching up on reading and stuff [23:15:06] <zeurg> Completely forgot about this Note he was on IRC for just under half an hour before Mattchew mentioned his name. Then 23 seconds later he posts. He was reading the thread as he says but he was obviously reading IRC too. Anyway when pushed to contribute he says nothing. [23:15:18] <Mattchew> zeurg you scum? [23:15:26] <zeurg> no im a townie [23:15:35] <zeurg> fo sho Now it is nice to know he is apparently a townie but this is the last thing he says until [00:42:04] *** Quits: zeurg (webchat@c-174-59-222-135.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) (Quit: Page closed) Nothing for 1.5 hrs and then he quits. This was in the middle of the prpl shitstorm and he says nothing.I even tried to get him to talk in a private channel. Unfortunately it isn't logged, sorry guys. But all I said was that he should start posting but I got no response. [00:43:53] <Probulous> PS, I have been trying to get zeurg to post through a private chat but no answer. As soon as I sent another post he left IRC. He is deliberately avoiding posing. Now I know this is his first game but he is actively trying to avoid posting. He doesn't want to contribute and doesn't like being questioned. A townie would post when pushed, they should not be scared of making mistakes. I make them, even the great and mighty palmar makes them (though he may dispute it). Only mafia have a reason to try to avoid the spotlight in this manner. He is currently not adding anything to the discussion and is coasting along in the shadows. Mafia will be smiling after killing a leading townie and our doctor. Well time to bring them into the light. ##vote: zeurg | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On February 15 2012 08:00 Probulous wrote: I don't know what to think about sinani so I am going to propose a different candidate for lynch zeurg He is actively lurking and refusing to contribute. Note he was on IRC for just under half an hour before Mattchew mentioned his name. Then 23 seconds later he posts. He was reading the thread as he says but he was obviously reading IRC too. Anyway when pushed to contribute he says nothing. This unsupported wouldn't be a strong case. I probably do something like that all the time. Now it is nice to know he is apparently a townie but this is the last thing he says until Nothing for 1.5 hrs and then he quits. This was in the middle of the prpl shitstorm and he says nothing.I even tried to get him to talk in a private channel. Unfortunately it isn't logged, sorry guys. But all I said was that he should start posting but I got no response. Now I know this is his first game but he is actively trying to avoid posting. He doesn't want to contribute and doesn't like being questioned. A townie would post when pushed, they should not be scared of making mistakes. I make them, even the great and mighty palmar makes them (though he may dispute it). Only mafia have a reason to try to avoid the spotlight in this manner. Oh, my history has a lot of those. I'm going to cut off there. I'm still thinking that if it's zeurg's first time he could just be blue and scared of revealing this. I'll put FoS on him and cut him a little break because he's new, but I too expect to hear from him. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On February 15 2012 06:58 Probulous wrote: Well that was a shit night. Bad luck BH and layabout, you obviously played too well. You scum bro? Prpl pointed out to me in IRC how stupid this is so I am retracting it. If this needs explanation, ask. | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
On February 15 2012 08:00 Probulous wrote: I don't know what to think about sinani so I am going to propose a different candidate for lynch zeurg He is actively lurking and refusing to contribute. [...] We've still got plenty of time left before the lynch, so it's too soon for me to cast a vote. Probulous does have good points here, and in two days, I will support his movement. Zeurg, start contributing or my FOS will become a vote. FOS zeurg | ||
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