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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
I'll get on IRC once I finish my homework. About 30 minutes or so. | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On February 14 2012 09:28 Probulous wrote: You are right about the meta stuff for an ongoing game. I apologise, I had not thought of it that way. However, my point was that sinani was clearly not participating in that game and he isn't here. Yet you have not pushed him for it. You even mentioned in that game that he was playing so differently to his normal game that he was obvious scum. Do you believe differently this game? The reason I wanted people to post their PM was so I could see whether you are targeting the newbies. That is a scummy as hell thing to do. Can you provide a list of those you PM'd? "Sorry for breaking rule X" *goes on to break rule X again* Will you god damn stop doing that? No, not providing a list of the people I PM'd. Our communication is our own. If they want to share then I can't prevent that. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
Did anyone else get PM'd by Prpl? | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On February 14 2012 09:46 Probulous wrote: Ok, I'll drop posting about the meta thing. You said if you play differently then you are scum. Well to me you are playing differently. That is all. Did anyone else get PM'd by Prpl? "I'll drop the meta thing" *goes on to use meta argument* | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
 "Ok, I'll drop posting about the meta thing". Why won't you tell me who else you sent PMs to? I don't get it. I haven't voted for you yet because the only evidence I have is that you PM'd SpiritClown but no-one else. That seems scummy to me but you won't post the one thing that would clear it up for me. Why not? | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
Anyways, PM stands for <Private> Message. If prplhz wants to share, let him share, if not, bugger off. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
A townie would send PM's to everyone or ask in the thread. Scum don't want to arose the suspicion of senior players so newbs are easy targets. That is why it bothers me. Now I know the evidence is thin at best which is why I am trying to find some more, no-one else is coming forward though so I have to keep believing he only sent one to SpiritClown. Well, why SpiritClown then? The only justification I can see is that he is a newb. I am sure I am missing something but this is all I got. Help? | ||
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
On February 14 2012 06:26 Mattchew wrote: prplhz I find his posts to be bland on the side of scummy. Here is how you say literally nothing in 5 out of 7 posts. Compare this to town prplhz in previous games, it is very different. + Show Spoiler + On February 13 2012 22:41 prplhz wrote: Um... wow the only thing I have to say here is that you're literally retarded. Like, you rode the short bus to school and there are special classes for you. But that's okay! I don't discriminate. .................... anyway, if you're on a channel and you're OP then you can use: /mode #channelname +s to make the channel secret, it will not show up on /whois for anybody who isn't also on that same channel with you. This does not stay if there is a period when nobody on the channel so make sure you set it again if you're the first one in there again later. Didn't you say you were not going to act this way in this game? What made you decide to act this way anyway? Crusading forumer (vigilante) shouldn't shoot tonight if that wasn't obvious. On February 13 2012 12:09 prplhz wrote: Holy fuck I'm a queen that's maybe even cooler than a lurker!!! : I'm like Forumite and Foolishness now  On February 13 2012 08:52 prplhz wrote: How should I know? I didn't talk to him so I have no idea what all this fuss is about. Maybe you guys could post those IRC logs and everybody else could have a look? On February 13 2012 08:35 prplhz wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/4QxXq.jpg) A scumdar that works 50% of the time isn't "clearly off" when there aren't 50% scum in the game. also This shouldn't need to be said. Also, this is planting the seeds for directing blues in the future. Coupled with his role fishing out of thread, I believe prplhz is scum. Sinani206 2 games ago http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690&user=128360 ACTIVE Outcome = Veteran: sinani206 last game outcome = Sinani206, Issisus the Pustulent, a Chaos Plaguebearer has been cast into the warp! This game (its almost been 24 hours since this post I believe, and still nothing) outcome = ?? prplhz is my strongest scumread Sinani206 and [UoN]Sentinel have to start contributing. This is my FOS pressure on them to get them to crawl out and start participating. If they stay silent I believe they are good lynch candidates. Some reads on townies Layabout, provoked good discussion with talks of his plan. Blazinghand, posts fearlessly and aggressively as if he has nothing to hide I don't find my play in NMMI to be lurking. Skype: sinani206 AIM: sinani206 GTalk: sinani206 pretty much on those whenever im on my computer obviously this post will be analyzed as me active lurking but theres nothing i can do about that. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9856 Posts
On February 14 2012 09:56 Probulous wrote: Because to me someone sending a PM to a guy who is playing his first game asking for his role without sending similar PM's to more experienced players is scummy as hell. It looks like he is trying to buddy up and influence the newbie. A townie would send PM's to everyone or ask in the thread. Scum don't want to arose the suspicion of senior players so newbs are easy targets. That is why it bothers me. Now I know the evidence is thin at best which is why I am trying to find some more, no-one else is coming forward though so I have to keep believing he only sent one to SpiritClown. Well, why SpiritClown then? The only justification I can see is that he is a newb. I am sure I am missing something but this is all I got. Help? He already admitted that he sent some to other new players in IRC. | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
(As a note, these IRC logs have not posted to palmar.org as of the time of writing. Hopefully, they will post soon. If not, I will have to rely on the witnesses present to defend my account of the conversation.) + Show Spoiler + 01[19:31] <ghost_403> so who else did you pm? 01[19:32] <ghost_403> kind of curious if you had any rhyme or reason, or just picked people at random to "break the ice" 02[19:33] * froggynoddy (webchat@cpc1-lewi6-0-0-cust270.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Quit: Page closed) [19:33] <Probulous> prpl you don't say who you PM'd, just a bunch of people. Well that bothers me. The only person who has come forward was a blatant newb who luckily had the knowledge to knock you back. What is so hard about posting who sent PMs to? Even if they are just to break the ice. 01[19:34] <ghost_403> well, if he's not going to give us an answer, i suppose we can work in reverse 01[19:34] <ghost_403> prplhz did NOT send a PM to me [19:34] <Probulous> ROFL, that could take a while... [19:35] <Lanaia> doesn't matter [19:35] <Lanaia> it wasn't a bad thing he did [19:35] <Lanaia> it was a thing. [19:35] <Lanaia> just a thing 01[19:35] <ghost_403> absolutely, but things don't just happen, and mafia is a game about motives [19:36] <derpladee> lol [19:36] <Lanaia> the hell kind of motive do you think he has [19:37] <Probulous> My issue is not him asking for roles. It is him asking NEWBS for their roles. I mean this would be an easy way for mafia to persuade new guys to go along with them. Now I know that I am basing the newb thing off of one data point, that is why I asked him for the list. He won't provide it. Can you see my problem? [19:38] <Lanaia> Not entirely [19:38] <derpladee> did you even read the thread? [19:38] <derpladee> did you read what i post? [19:38] <derpladee> it's not enough to explain that something could be done by a scum [19:38] <derpladee> you have to explain why it wouldn't be done by a townie too [19:39] <Probulous> A townie would send a PM to everyone, or put it in the thread. Why did you choose him over everyone else? [19:39] <Grackaroni> You are jumping on mattchew for assuming that you wanted to direct blues but what is a good motivation besides that? shooting at them? I'm sure there are other ways to "break the ice" besides rolefishing [19:39] <derpladee> lol i'm not role fishing 01[19:39] <ghost_403> -_- [19:39] <derpladee> i was just saying [19:39] <derpladee> "what's your role?" [19:39] <Lanaia> he'd've harassed me more if he were rolefishing. [19:39] <Grackaroni> role asking? [19:39] <derpladee> and then they said "town, what do you think about X or Y?" 06[19:39] * ghost_403 facepalms [19:39] <Grackaroni> I guess thats a better description [19:39] <derpladee> and then we were on to other topics [19:40] <derpladee> the motivation is that i want to know their role, but i'm probably not getting it so i'm just asking for the lulz Whole thing is (hopefully) available at http://www.palmar.org/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120214.log. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On February 14 2012 09:56 Probulous wrote: Because to me someone sending a PM to a guy who is playing his first game asking for his role without sending similar PM's to more experienced players is scummy as hell. It looks like he is trying to buddy up and influence the newbie. A townie would send PM's to everyone or ask in the thread. Scum don't want to arose the suspicion of senior players so newbs are easy targets. That is why it bothers me. Now I know the evidence is thin at best which is why I am trying to find some more, no-one else is coming forward though so I have to keep believing he only sent one to SpiritClown. Well, why SpiritClown then? The only justification I can see is that he is a newb. I am sure I am missing something but this is all I got. Help? That's a shit argument. The whole point of PM's is to gain trust. Now I just got here and I will NOT read 10 pages of argumentative text because I just did that for history class, but if I were prplhz I'd be PM'ing noobs to see if they give anything away, or they play legitimately. Experienced people can hide their true intonations. | ||
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
On February 14 2012 09:57 Grackaroni wrote: He already admitted that he sent some to other new players in IRC. But why one in PM and others in IRC? | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
Why don't you want to post about an argument if you think it is valid? I'm saying "Stop using meta argument because it's quite bad at this stage of the game" and you're saying "I will posting about it but I will still use it because it's a good argument". That makes no sense at all, why wouldn't you want to post about an argument that you think is good? You didn't even read my defense did you? What does this "evidence" point at? It is easy to say "He is very lightly role fishing at SpiritClown and this is something scum could have a motivation for doing" but you're not done with your case before you've also said "and townie wouldn't very lightly role fish at SpiritClown". And you can't say that because that isn't true. I'm not posting in the thread who I have PM'd and who I haven't PM'd so stop asking. It's between me and them, and I hope they don't say anything either. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
Sorry for the mistake but you guys are getting on my nerves. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On February 14 2012 10:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: That's a shit argument. The whole point of PM's is to gain trust. Now I just got here and I will NOT read 10 pages of argumentative text because I just did that for history class, but if I were prplhz I'd be PM'ing noobs to see if they give anything away, or they play legitimately. Experienced people can hide their true intonations. To me that is something scum do. Why would town try and see what newbs are giving away? For mafia it makes it easier to find blues. For town you may identify a blue but more importantly you are luring them into giving away information to someone they cannot know if town. Besides mafia have friends to ensure that the newbs don't do stupid stuff. I said to Prpl in IRC that I accept his logic but still think the tactic is scummy. Town rolefishing just makes town look suspicious for no real gain. As mentioned before, your primary goal early game should be to establish innocence and find scum. How does PM only newbs help that? | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On February 14 2012 10:02 prplhz wrote: @Probulous Why don't you want to post about an argument if you think it is valid? I'm saying "Stop using meta argument because it's quite bad at this stage of the game" and you're saying "I will posting about it but I will still use it because it's a good argument". That makes no sense at all, why wouldn't you want to post about an argument that you think is good? You didn't even read my defense did you? What does this "evidence" point at? It is easy to say "He is very lightly role fishing at SpiritClown and this is something scum could have a motivation for doing" but you're not done with your case before you've also said "and townie wouldn't very lightly role fish at SpiritClown". And you can't say that because that isn't true. I'm not posting in the thread who I have PM'd and who I haven't PM'd so stop asking. It's between me and them, and I hope they don't say anything either. For those not reading IRC, I went over this with Prpl in there. He is correct that the actions could be motivated by a townie so there is no real case against him by me. I still think the actions are scummy and are not worth the chaos it has caused but that doesn't make him mafia. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
Don't even bother, I tried asking and got a shitstorm instead. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9856 Posts
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