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*wherebugsgo is helping me co-host this game. Any questions can be directed towards him or myself.
Werewolves Invade TeamLiquid
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Introduction:
Mafia is an educated guessing game of epic proportions. The objective of the game is to lynch or kill all mafia members before they outnumber the rest of the town. It's much like a game of poker because mafia members are also part of the town during the day and may manipulate the vote to their liking. If the mafia at any time outnumber or equal the townspeople, they win. The town's goal is to lynch all the members of the mafia.
The game is typically very active, so the thread will get big quickly. However, it is essential to read the thread to play the game. If you do not have the time or patience to read the whole thread, do not play. I will not compensate for ignorance.
Rules:
Cheating:
Cheating includes (but is not limited to):
1. Posting after death. (Ghosting) You may have one polite goodbye post, but it may not contain any potentially game-changing information.
2. Ruining the game by doing something like hand out your mafia's member list to the town.
3. Logging on to someone else's account to get their role or looking over someone's shoulder to get their role.
4. Comparing role PM times to determine roles.
5. Forged Private Messages (PMs) are allowed. Screenshots of PMs are not.
6. PMs from the moderator may be forged for private messaging to other players, but may carry certain consequences if abused. PMs from the moderator are NOT ALLOWED in public view, regardless of its truthfullness.
7. Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip.
8. Signing up more than once using smurf accounts.
9. Betting items outside of the game in exchange for in-game benefits.
10. Sharing accounts with other players. Only you may post on your account.
SPECTATORS AND GHOSTS MAY HAUNT, TAUNT AND FLAUNT, BUT NEVER REVEAL ANY INFORMATION (COMPILATION INCLUDED)
Cheating is not tolerated here. The punishment will be severe.
Posting:
Mod Font:
This is mod font. It is reserved for moderators. Please do not use it.
Question Font:
This is question font. Use it to ask the moderators questions about the rules. Please do us a favor and read the rules before you ask anything.
Activity:
You must post in this thread once per day/night cycle and vote every day while you are alive. If you fail to do so, you will be modkilled.
Smurfs:
On April 26 2011 13:22 mikeymoo wrote:
Smurfs must PM the host because TL doesn't allow multiple accounts otherwise. If the host is unaware of smurfs, you (and/or your smurf) can be banned for having multiple accounts.
Spam:
Spam is not tolerated, nor is any off-topic material. Do not discuss Proleague here. Do not talk about Starcraft II here. Play Mafia here.
Editing:
Editing is not allowed for any reason. Editing will result in a warning. After that, you will be modkilled. This is the one part of the site where it is okay to be double posting, even triple-posting. While I ask for everybody to post as concisely as possible, post again if you have to edit anything.
Inappropriate posts:
If you want to post something insulting or inappropriate and know the TL mods would have a problem with it elsewhere, don't post it here. If you do, a host will warn you or modkill you and request that you be banned from future games. The hosts have the final say on what is inappropriate. If you do not like how someone is talking to you, please PM a host, Qatol, or Flamewheel before involving the TL staff. If you are unsatisfied with how the situation is resolved, then you can appeal to the TL staff normally.
Reporting posts:
The report button is a nice feature for regular TL, but not for this forum. We prefer to deal with things in house if possible to avoid confusion among the TL staff. If you have a problem with how someone is posting, talk to the host, co-host, Qatol, or Flamewheel before using your report button. Please do not use your report button for anything other than inappropriate posts which you feel are not being dealt with adequately.
Ban discussions:
Please wait until this game is over to talk about modkills and bans resulting from this game.
Play to win.
This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game. However, this does not mean that you should try to win by being a jerk to the other players so they all want to quit playing.
This also means that you cannot leave the game without a good reason without a ban. These situations will be dealt with on a case by case basis. PM your host if you need to leave the game.
You have been warned.
Voting rules:
1. Voting is done (in a separate thread, located *here*). Please keep votes there, and only vote there. Do not PM me your vote.
2. Please vote in the following format: ##Vote Qatol. Votes not done in the correct fashion will not be counted. I will update vote counts whenever I get the chance.
3. No conditional voting.
4. You may vote for yourself. You may vote for anyone dead or outside the game; BUT IT WILL HAVE CONSEQUENCES.
5. In the event of a TIE ALL candidates that are part of that tie are killed.
6. Voting is mandatory. You may NOT abstain.
Signups:
This game is open to anyone. Signups will remain open until February 12 0100 KST.
Game-specific rules:
Modkills:
This game follows the TL Mafia Ban List. If you are modkilled, your punishment will go beyond being eliminated from this game. Please refer to it for questions about your punishment. If you want to use this game to sit out your ban, please PM Qatol or post in the Ban List.
Replacements
This game uses replacements. Replacements will be made in the game until Day 3 Ends. If a player is modkilled during the designated time, then they will be replaced by a player on the replacement list.
Clues:
There are NO clues.
PMs
PMs ARE allowed in this game.
Time Cycle:
This game will follow a CONCURRENT 48 hour day cycle. That is, ALL Nightly actions must be done at the same time as the day votes. In case I am not able to post around deadline, any votes after the 48 hour mark will not count and the game will be put on halt until the night post is up. Currently the deadline is 2300 KST, but that is subject to change.
The game will start with a full Day/Night cycle.
Credits:
Thanks to anyone who has ever hosted a game. This list grows ever longer.
Thanks to everyone who helped balance this game.
If you have not read all the rules, go back and do so. I will not compensate for ignorance!
NOTE:
The following Role Post is taken in format from another Forum but is same in essential content, PM me if you need guidance on the roles and traits present.
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The Roles & Traits
ROLES
TL Forumer (Townie): Vanilla TL Forumer, likes Starcraft overall, watches their regular fill of games via streams or live
Forum Moderator (Detective): The Moderator has the ability to check once a night to see if they are undesirable werewolves (Scum) or an Apprentice. Every other role will appear as a regular Forumer (Townie).
Rabid Werewolves (Scum): They are people attracted to TeamLiquid for the massive pool of pool of less-than-fit people they can easily turn into chew toys. More information will be given to the scum but will not be public knowledge.
Note that only the above roles are guaranteed to be in a game (i.e. 1+ exists of each role above, 0+ exists of each role below).
Banling (Journalist): The Banling can check for forumers with a hidden agenda to support the werewolves, as he is more often present than the Moderator. May check one person each night to see if he is a Detective, Corrupted, Sorcerer or Apprentice. Any other role will appear as a regular forumer to the Journalist.
Forum Troll (Corrupted): They are players who have an interest in supporting the werewolves (because of grudges against the Moderator/Banling or whatnot). They are detectable only by the Banling and return as a regular Forumer to the Moderator.
Stream Sniper (Godfather): Has a vested interest in taking over TeamLiquid or at least reducing its influence. He is aligned with Scum, but is not in contact with them until he scans one of them. He may scan for Scum, the Journalist and the Cop.
Apprentice: Only becomes active if his master is killed. Apprentices works just like their former master. If an Apprentice is in the game, the first one who scans him will make him his apprentice. All further scans on them will only return as "Claimed Apprentice" The apprentice does not know that he is one until he is scanned; and will NOT be informed of the role until he takes the scanner's place.
Streamer (Protector): May protect one person against an attack, by taking them aside every night for coaching, but can't choose to protect the same person two nights in a row and can never protect themselves.
Forum Star (Doctor): May protect one person each night. In case of an attack, the Doctor will be able to save the person from death, but the person saved will have no voting rights for the next day as they lie in their basement room recovering from their wounds. They are also forbidden from publicly speaking and PM (except to the GM). The survivor learns of the Doctor's identity and of the identity of one Scum attacking him. Cannot choose to protect the same person two nights in a row and can never protect themselves.
TRAITS:
Note that any/all traits may be present on a townie or a scum player.
Rabid Fanboy #1 (Leader): May declare, once per game, that the leader of a vote will be replaced by someone else. His identity will be revealed if he uses his power. In the event of a tie, the number of people in the tie must equal the number of people who must die. The leader can substitute one or as many of the lynch targets. If he/she is part of the vote leader count, they may not substitute someone else for their place, but may pick someone else if they are tied with another person.
Rabid Fanboy #2 (2nd in Command): Will become the Leader if the current Leader is dead. There will be no more than one second-in-command at game start.
Rabid Fanboy #3 (3rd in Command): Will become the Leader if the Leader and Second in command are dead. There will be no more than one third-in-command at game start.
Addicted Watcher (Witness): Once per game, the Witness may try to see the nightly attack. Witness success rate increases by 20% each night (20% on Night 1, 40% on Night 2 etc). If successful, he learns the identity of one Scum in a scum-group that hunted that night. If no kill takes place, the Game Moderator decides whether the ability is used or not.
Rivals: These players hate each other obsessively, and must do everything in their power to eliminate their rival. If a person's rival is alive at the end of the game, they lose, no matter which side wins, if their rival/s is killed, they will in turn win if alive at endgame, and their side wins. They will know the name of their rival/s from the start.
Smurf Account (Thief): The player possessing this trait will be able to rob another player of his role and traits. The robbed player will die due to complications in the act of being robbed (read: He was killed by the thief). The Thief retains his Thief trait for the duration of the game, ie, he can keep robbing roles until the end of the game, or until he is dead. The Thief has a 33% chance to be caught, which would mean instant lynching. The chance of being caught doubles every time he steals a role. When he robs a role, his previous role will disappear, meaning he cannot go back to the role he had before.
Stalker (Spy): Can tell something about the other forumers' behavior based on their post. If a player has the Spy trait, he will have the ability to spy on another player, revealing clues to the role and/or traits of that player, but never the role or trait itself. Some clues may be useless, others not. The spy may spy on the same player again to try to obtain more information.
Forum Newbie (Cursed): Can be baited into becoming a troll. If a Cursed person is targeted by the Scum, they become one themselves. It will be revealed as a "no kill during the night". The Cursed will be unaware he is cursed until attacked by a Scum. A cursed apprentice that turns into a Scum loses his apprenticehood.
Forum Veteran (Blessed): Extremely level-headed and neutral, he is unflappable in the face of repeated trolling. A Blessed person will survive a scum attack, but only once (the next attack will be fatal as usual). Will be revealed as a "no kill during the night". The Blessed will be unaware he is blessed, even after an attack.
Perceptive (Attuned): Can tell if people are paying attention to his behavior. An Attuned person will know if someone has scanned them, but not the role that they have.
Short Fuse (Brutal): Can provoke another forumer into getting banned with a personalized insult. If lynched, has the power to immediately kill one person before being subdued.
Crusading Forumer (Vigilante): Is highly defensive and easily provoked. He may decide to use his one shot to kill anyone he wants once at night.
Roles:
10/? Townies
9/? TL Forumer (Townie)
?/? Forum Moderator (Detective)
?/? Banling (Journalist)
?/? Streamer (Protector)
1/? Forum Star (Doctor)
3/? Elephant Hunters
1/? Rabid Werewolves (Scum)
1/? Forum Troll (Corrupted)
1/? Stream Sniper (Godfather)
1/? Pony Stalkers
1/? Rabid Werewolves (Scum)
?/? Forum Troll (Corrupted)
?/? Stream Sniper (Godfather)
Current Total KP/Night: 2
KP per Pack: 1
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Player List:
1. Bluelightz Filter
2. Palmar Filter
3. Mattchew the Corrupted from the Elephant Hunters Pack was killed on Night 1 Filter
4. Spiritclown the Vanilla Townie was lynched on Day 1 Filter
5. Hufy the Cursed 3rd in Command Townie was Mod-Killed on Day 2 Filter
6. prplhz the Spying Townie with a Rival was killed on Night 2 Filter
7. rgTheSchworz the Vanilla Townie was lynched on Day 3 Filter
8. Paperscraps Filter
9. Grackaroni the Vanilla Townie was killed Night 3 Filter
10. Probulous the Second in Command Godfather was hunted on Night 2 Filter
11. ghost_403 Filter
12. Blazinghand the Doctor was killed on Night 0 Filter
13. zeurg Nisani201 the Vanilla Townie was lynched on Day 2 Filter
14. sinani206 the Vanilla Townie was lynched on Day 1 Filter
15. froggynoddy Filter
16. phagga Filter
17. mderg the Brutal Leader Townie was lynched on Day 3 Filter
18. layabout the Spying Townie with a Rival was killed on Night 0 Filter
19. [UoN]Sentinel the Scum from the Pony Stalkers Pack was lynched on Day 2 Filter
20. Kenpachi the Vanilla Townie was killed on Night 1 Fliter
21. Lanaia the Attuned Scum from the Elephant Hunters Pack was killed on Night 3 Filter
Players Alive: 6
Replacements
NONE
Order Implementation Priority:
Witness
Godfather
Protector/Doctor
Spy
Journalist
Detective
Vigilante
Scum KP
Thief
List of Daily Events: (Game Starts with a 24 hour NIGHT Deadline)
Night 0
Blazinghand the Doctor and layabout the Spying Townie with a Rival was killed.
Day 1
Spiritclown and sinani206 the Vanilla Townies were lynched
Night 1
Mattchew the Corrupted Elephant Hunter and Kenpachi the Vanilla Townie were killed.
Day 2
[UoN]Sentinel the Scum from the Pony Stalkers Pack and nisani201 the Vanilla Townie
Night 2
prplhz the Spying Townie with a Rival and Probulous the Second in Command Godfather were killed
Day 3
mderg the Brutal Leader Townie and rgTheSchworz the Vanilla Townie were lynched
Night 3
Grackaroni the Vanilla Townie and Lanaia the Attuned Elephant Hunter Scum were killed
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Please direct any and all issues to me if you see them. Thanks!
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PM game, I've been waiting!
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Would love to play but this would be my first mafia game so i dunno if i should... but i guess we all have to start sometime :D
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/in the sequel to my first game you don't say?
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can anyone link me to a game with a similar set up (preferably non-themed, pms or not doesnt matter)
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I'm also currently in Normal Mini Mafia I, I hope that's not a problem.
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should be fun 
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Why not give a PM game a go? I'm expecting solid advice in the thread from those that have played PM games before.
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First mafia game! At first, I thought this would be way over my head. Then, after reading through the Arkham City thread, I'm pretty sure I can do this. 
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lol mafia is easy. Just troll harder than everyone else.
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^ Exactly, harder you troll day one, the more pro-town you seem. It is a scientific fact.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
Pm game with the best possible fluff? I am so
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I guess I'll give it a go. First mafia game though, so if that is going to be a problem, you can just not sign me up.
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Welcome to TL Mafia, let me take your coat.
Also you may want to have a browse over some of these threads to get a feel for basic play styles.
+ Show Spoiler [guides] +Useful Guides for Your PerusalPast Newbie Mafia Games
Just make sure you are clear with where you stand and don't apologise for being new. Be as clear as you can when you post. Hope this helps!
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On February 08 2012 06:39 zeurg wrote:
I guess I'll give it a go. First mafia game though, so if that is going to be a problem, you can just not sign me up.
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Hi there smurf.
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On February 08 2012 09:48 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 06:39 zeurg wrote:
I guess I'll give it a go. First mafia game though, so if that is going to be a problem, you can just not sign me up.
/in Hi there smurf.
You realize that we are getting a lot of new people who are legitimately new these days (ever since we got put on the sidebar), don't you? And even if zeurg is a smurf, why do you care? It isn't like Ciry wouldn't find out (smurfs have to declare themselves + we check for smurfs).
Edit: Bah beaten by Probulous.
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Oh, I didn't mean any harm, it was just an observation, I have no issues playing with smurfs.
But any accounts created on the day they sign up for mafia with 1 single post look like they could be smurfs to me. I hope I didn't offend anyone?
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On February 08 2012 09:52 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 09:48 Palmar wrote:On February 08 2012 06:39 zeurg wrote:
I guess I'll give it a go. First mafia game though, so if that is going to be a problem, you can just not sign me up.
/in Hi there smurf. You realize that we are getting a lot of new people who are legitimately new these days (ever since we got put on the sidebar), don't you? And even if zeurg is a smurf, why do you care? It isn't like Ciry wouldn't find out (smurfs have to declare themselves + we check for smurfs). Edit: Bah beaten by Probulous.
I'm not a smurf. I sort of had a TL account for a couple of years but I never really used it and eventually forgot the password. I was looking at the mafia stuff and I figured that I would just make a new account specifically for this game (and so the names of the TL account would match up with my Reddit account). So yeah, the reason my account was created today was because this game intrigued me, not because I'm smurfing.
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I like you Palmar 
I will keep an eye on Mr zeurg, you are correct that an account created specifically for mafia could indicate a smurf. I guess we shall see.
Finally, to those signing up, please can we have a civil game! Arkham City and the GM Mini are so full of angry people.
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Need 11 more players before we start purging rabid canines out of the forum
I've also put in the deadline for sign-ups and a couple of tweaks to the roles/traits. PLEASE READ THEM, as traits are alignment-agnostic.
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Ciry, are you guys going to be tough on insults and the such?
It's just roles that have description such as
Short Fuse (Brutal): Can provoke another forumer into getting banned with a personalized insult
Probably won't make for a friendly atmosphere. Watching Arkham City and GM's Mini descend into name calling wasn't much fun. I hope the same doesn't happen here.
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On February 08 2012 13:37 Probulous wrote:Ciry, are you guys going to be tough on insults and the such?It's just roles that have description such as Show nested quote +Short Fuse (Brutal): Can provoke another forumer into getting banned with a personalized insult Probably won't make for a friendly atmosphere. Watching Arkham City and GM's Mini descend into name calling wasn't much fun. I hope the same doesn't happen here.
It's a fluff-description; The Brutal trait is essentially a Mad Hatter that doesn't need to be planted.
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On February 08 2012 10:06 Probulous wrote:
Finally, to those signing up, please can we have a civil game! Arkham City and the GM Mini are so full of angry people.
Doubtful. Eventually someone will do something stupid, and I'll be forced to explain why they're being stupid.
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Setup seems interesting.
Will the scum teams have to eliminate each other to win?
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@Probolous why no include Student Mafia  its a newbie game too x_x
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New to Mafia but have read the guides. Will re-read by the time it starts. Yaaaay
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On February 08 2012 19:50 zelblade wrote:
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Setup seems interesting.
Will the scum teams have to eliminate each other to win?
Yes, the other scum team should be dead for a scum team to win.
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United States22154 Posts
Game needs third parties IMO. :-P
On February 08 2012 08:01 Probulous wrote:Welcome to TL Mafia, let me take your coat. Also you may want to have a browse over some of these threads to get a feel for basic play styles. + Show Spoiler [guides] +Useful Guides for Your PerusalPast Newbie Mafia Games Just make sure you are clear with where you stand and don't apologise for being new. Be as clear as you can when you post. Hope this helps!
4/6 of the SNMM series were also newbie games, SNMMI in particular shows pretty good town play for a newish town.
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newbies tend to be much better than vets at mafia. The vets get old, bitter and destructive.
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United States22154 Posts
On February 09 2012 01:09 Palmar wrote:
newbies tend to be much better than vets at mafia. The vets get old, bitter and destructive.
That's a bitter generalization -__-
I'm not bitter or destructive...
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And that leaves old.
Old man.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
Just as a pre-emptive meta note, I'm deliberately going to work on not spamming this game. I'm still going to be highly active, but having 30 pages of filter in a 150 page game with 18 players is not gonna happen this time around. I consider this important to improving my game. So if someone's like "Blazinghand isn't spamming, he must be scum" I want you to bear in mind that I'm not spamming either way this game.
*everyone breathes a sigh of relief*
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Gonna be my first Mafia game. I followed the other active mafia games for a few days now (Sleeper Cell II, Normal Mini, Hammer Mini, Newbie Mini III), and have been reading through the various ressources (specially through Vers "How to Improve: Mafia XXX Analysis").
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My first pm game but I´ll try to do my best.
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On February 08 2012 20:54 Bluelightz wrote:@Probolous why no include Student Mafia its a newbie game too x_x
I got those from the OP in the Newbie Games. There are lots of references around. Wasn't commenting on your play 
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On February 08 2012 18:26 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 10:06 Probulous wrote:
Finally, to those signing up, please can we have a civil game! Arkham City and the GM Mini are so full of angry people. Doubtful. Eventually someone will do something stupid, and I'll be forced to explain why they're being stupid.
Well as long as it is explained. Nothing wrong with calling stuff stupid if you show why. It's people creating pages and pages of back and forth that annoys me.
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On February 09 2012 01:52 Blazinghand wrote:
Just as a pre-emptive meta note, I'm deliberately going to work on not spamming this game. I'm still going to be highly active, but having 30 pages of filter in a 150 page game with 18 players is not gonna happen this time around. I consider this important to improving my game. So if someone's like "Blazinghand isn't spamming, he must be scum" I want you to bear in mind that I'm not spamming either way this game.
*everyone breathes a sigh of relief*
Can we call you scum if you start spamming then? I will endeavour to do some similar this game. I am not happy with my style from my first game. I am trying to change but it is harder than I thought.
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I would like to join this game but the current deadline is 7am for me. I think that would hamper my ability to play enough that I shouldn't.
Can we move the deadline a few hours later so I can have time to wake up, read, and post?
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On February 09 2012 01:15 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 01:09 Palmar wrote:
newbies tend to be much better than vets at mafia. The vets get old, bitter and destructive. That's a bitter generalization -__- I'm not bitter or destructive...
You're also not playing...
As above, come join us
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On February 09 2012 04:41 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 01:52 Blazinghand wrote:
Just as a pre-emptive meta note, I'm deliberately going to work on not spamming this game. I'm still going to be highly active, but having 30 pages of filter in a 150 page game with 18 players is not gonna happen this time around. I consider this important to improving my game. So if someone's like "Blazinghand isn't spamming, he must be scum" I want you to bear in mind that I'm not spamming either way this game.
*everyone breathes a sigh of relief* Can we call you scum if you start spamming then? I will endeavour to do some similar this game. I am not happy with my style from my first game. I am trying to change but it is harder than I thought.
If I start spamming, please, take my life immediately, so that I cannot reach the keyboard to befoul an innocent mafia game with my profane utterances.
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## Disembowel Blazinghand with a toilet seat
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
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Come on you can do better than that.
## Filet with monkey wrench: Blazinghand
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
Ok I've got it!
##Plant: Probulous
What now? Now you know you can't mess
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I got read on the players.
PROBULUS: Short Fuse - He's been way too quiet, showing that he is clearly scum trying to play it cool. Trait is obvious, as he's going to disembowel dear Blazinghand.
BLAZINGHAND: Forum Newbie - Went from nice guy to troll in two posts. Converted by Probulus, making him now scum.
I think we got this one in the bag.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
FOS: g403 for obvious "pretending to help" post to cover up his tiny filter
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Our priority this game needs to be finding the Thought Piercing Dagger so we can penetrate the dream realm and contain the illusion portal.
Ciry, can you confirm that House Chezinu does not have the ability to recruit the explosive expert and create nukes of their own?
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Hey BH, do you treat a PM game the same as a normal game? I mean PMs naturally hide stuff from other people and create confusion so surely it is better to keep things in the thread. What is the advantage of a PM over a thread conversation particularly that you cannot gurantee the person you are talking to is town? In addition to this any and all trolls are going on my FOS list this game. I have yet to have someone explain how trolling is any different to lurking.
Ideas?
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
Hey Prob, do you treat a being a Mason the same as being a townie? I mean Masons naturally hide stuff from other people and create confusion so surely it is better to keep things in the thread. What is the advantage of a Masoning a player over a thread conversation particularly that you cannot guarantee the person you are talking to is town? In addition to this any and all trolls are going on my FOS list this game. I have yet to have someone explain how trolling is any different to lurking.
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On February 09 2012 07:48 Blazinghand wrote:
Hey Prob, do you treat a being a Mason the same as being a townie? I mean Masons naturally hide stuff from other people and create confusion so surely it is better to keep things in the thread. What is the advantage of a Masoning a player over a thread conversation particularly that you cannot guarantee the person you are talking to is town? In addition to this any and all trolls are going on my FOS list this game. I have yet to have someone explain how trolling is any different to lurking.
Yes, but I thought masons knew each others alignment.
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On February 09 2012 00:43 GMarshal wrote:Game needs third parties IMO. :-P Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 08:01 Probulous wrote:Welcome to TL Mafia, let me take your coat. Also you may want to have a browse over some of these threads to get a feel for basic play styles. + Show Spoiler [guides] +Useful Guides for Your PerusalPast Newbie Mafia Games Just make sure you are clear with where you stand and don't apologise for being new. Be as clear as you can when you post. Hope this helps! 4/6 of the SNMM series were also newbie games, SNMMI in particular shows pretty good town play for a newish town.
Are you talking about survivor roles for the third party? Do elaborate. :p
On February 09 2012 06:05 DoYouHas wrote:
I would like to join this game but the current deadline is 7am for me. I think that would hamper my ability to play enough that I shouldn't.
Can we move the deadline a few hours later so I can have time to wake up, read, and post?
I live at a KST -1 schedule, which means moving it to a later time will have me doing final vote-counts, processing orders and writing updates while I am at work. Frankly, I haven't seen anyone have any major problems with the deadline in a game, one can easily catch up despite the deadline.
On February 09 2012 07:45 GreYMisT wrote:
Our priority this game needs to be finding the Thought Piercing Dagger so we can penetrate the dream realm and contain the illusion portal.
Ciry, can you confirm that House Chezinu does not have the ability to recruit the explosive expert and create nukes of their own?
Only House Caller can use nuclear weaponry, House Chezinu has to utilize chemica engineers to activate their Poison Gas kill ability.
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So rations at House Chezinu have been reduced to beans then?
## Research: Cleansing Fibre
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Well alrighty then, let's see if my fears were unfounded.
/in
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On February 09 2012 09:59 DoYouHas wrote:
Well alrighty then, let's see if my fears were unfounded.
/in
is your name a homestarrunner reference?
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That it is, you get a gold star.
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I know this is unlikely but with the concurrent day/night thing what happens if someone uses and action on the person who gets lynched?
Lets say someone cannot be online around lynch time and so they target someone who despite them knowing ends up getting lynched. Do they lose their action or will they get to reuse it before the day post?
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On February 09 2012 12:21 Probulous wrote:
I know this is unlikely but with the concurrent day/night thing what happens if someone uses and action on the person who gets lynched?
Lets say someone cannot be online around lynch time and so they target someone who despite them knowing ends up getting lynched. Do they lose their action or will they get to reuse it before the day post?
They get to reuse it IF they send in back-up orders on specific people.
E.g. Check L
Backup Caller
Backup Foolishness
In the case above, if L is lynched, Caller becomes the target of their night action. Also, as shown by the order priority given in the second post, if somebody is Vigged or shot by Scum KP after a check is made on them, the result of the check will be given to the checking party, but they will not be refunded their check on the now-dead person.
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On February 09 2012 00:43 GMarshal wrote:Game needs third parties IMO. :-P Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 08:01 Probulous wrote:Welcome to TL Mafia, let me take your coat. Also you may want to have a browse over some of these threads to get a feel for basic play styles. + Show Spoiler [guides] +Useful Guides for Your PerusalPast Newbie Mafia Games Just make sure you are clear with where you stand and don't apologise for being new. Be as clear as you can when you post. Hope this helps! 4/6 of the SNMM series were also newbie games, SNMMI in particular shows pretty good town play for a newish town.
except for the one i cohosted
edit: oh lol i didnt see the I at the end of the name hahaha
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5 more people need to man up!
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So, forgive me if I'm being clueless, but a PM game adds individual coercion/persuasion to the general confusion right? It also allows for sub-town groups to develop as DT checks are made and trust is formed between individuals. Is this how I should be approaching a PM game?
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Blazinghand
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On February 09 2012 21:04 froggynoddy wrote:
So, forgive me if I'm being clueless, but a PM game adds individual coercion/persuasion to the general confusion right? It also allows for sub-town groups to develop as DT checks are made and trust is formed between individuals. Is this how I should be approaching a PM game?
From BC's Guide: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=188179
Private Messaging
This feature has been in a fair number of TL games. It is also an amazing tool if used properly. However, if it is not used properly, the mafia will abuse it and potentially win. They are also a function if used improperly will cause people to feel left out and like they don’t matter as players. Pm’s can and do make people elitist in games. IF Pm’s are allowed in a game they should be used properly. Role fishing, small analysis groups, alignment testing.
Role fishing is straightforward so I will not go into it at this time.
Small analysis groups. These groups need not be large, as you only need a few heads to flesh out analysis on people. It also means that if a red is in your group, it is easier to catch them, and it keeps the other groups safe from infiltration.
Alignment testing. This is posting in a way to let you carefully analyze reactions. Townies are more inclined to answer in one way and mafia/blues another. Sometimes this will be obvious such as catching someone lying to you in pm’s or lying in thread. Other times this will be noticing subtle word choices.
Regardless of how you opt to use the tool, if you do not feel comfortable in your ability to use them properly do not use them and play the game via the thread. Ask for detail from Ace on this, as he dislikes the PM feature.
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Sorry everyone, I don't have the time to play 2 games at the same time and I want to play the upcoming newbie game.
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I'm going to play exactly like I usually do.
If I deviate in any way I should be summarily lynched.
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hey guys, im going to be hosting a newbie game and apparently going premed while being an RA does not leave you a lot of time to actually play in a mafia game.
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GreYMisT you are a tease!
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On February 10 2012 01:10 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 21:04 froggynoddy wrote:
So, forgive me if I'm being clueless, but a PM game adds individual coercion/persuasion to the general confusion right? It also allows for sub-town groups to develop as DT checks are made and trust is formed between individuals. Is this how I should be approaching a PM game? From BC's Guide: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=188179Show nested quote +
Private Messaging
This feature has been in a fair number of TL games. It is also an amazing tool if used properly. However, if it is not used properly, the mafia will abuse it and potentially win. They are also a function if used improperly will cause people to feel left out and like they don’t matter as players. Pm’s can and do make people elitist in games. IF Pm’s are allowed in a game they should be used properly. Role fishing, small analysis groups, alignment testing.
Role fishing is straightforward so I will not go into it at this time.
Small analysis groups. These groups need not be large, as you only need a few heads to flesh out analysis on people. It also means that if a red is in your group, it is easier to catch them, and it keeps the other groups safe from infiltration.
Alignment testing. This is posting in a way to let you carefully analyze reactions. Townies are more inclined to answer in one way and mafia/blues another. Sometimes this will be obvious such as catching someone lying to you in pm’s or lying in thread. Other times this will be noticing subtle word choices.
Regardless of how you opt to use the tool, if you do not feel comfortable in your ability to use them properly do not use them and play the game via the thread. Ask for detail from Ace on this, as he dislikes the PM feature.
Forgot to say thank you for finding that, so better late than never. Makes a lot of sense btw.
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Cmon guys it's only three more people before we get going. Extending sign-ups by another 12-24 hours.
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Blazinghand
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On February 11 2012 20:55 froggynoddy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 01:10 Blazinghand wrote:On February 09 2012 21:04 froggynoddy wrote:
So, forgive me if I'm being clueless, but a PM game adds individual coercion/persuasion to the general confusion right? It also allows for sub-town groups to develop as DT checks are made and trust is formed between individuals. Is this how I should be approaching a PM game? From BC's Guide: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=188179
Private Messaging
This feature has been in a fair number of TL games. It is also an amazing tool if used properly. However, if it is not used properly, the mafia will abuse it and potentially win. They are also a function if used improperly will cause people to feel left out and like they don’t matter as players. Pm’s can and do make people elitist in games. IF Pm’s are allowed in a game they should be used properly. Role fishing, small analysis groups, alignment testing.
Role fishing is straightforward so I will not go into it at this time.
Small analysis groups. These groups need not be large, as you only need a few heads to flesh out analysis on people. It also means that if a red is in your group, it is easier to catch them, and it keeps the other groups safe from infiltration.
Alignment testing. This is posting in a way to let you carefully analyze reactions. Townies are more inclined to answer in one way and mafia/blues another. Sometimes this will be obvious such as catching someone lying to you in pm’s or lying in thread. Other times this will be noticing subtle word choices.
Regardless of how you opt to use the tool, if you do not feel comfortable in your ability to use them properly do not use them and play the game via the thread. Ask for detail from Ace on this, as he dislikes the PM feature.
Forgot to say thank you for finding that, so better late than never. Makes a lot of sense btw.
No problem! It's worth spending some time checking out the TL Mafia library in general when you have some time. There's good stuff in there.
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Why is this game so far in the yellow?
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/out
Sorry some stuff came up and I wont have an internet connection for quite a bit.
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Damn it.
I'll be starting to hand out roles in a few minutes. I've made some balance adjustments to compensate for the smaller player base.
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Roles sent out! Game starts with a NIGHT deadline, so no lynch votes yet. All roles/traits with the ability to do night checks and the Mafia may send in their targets now. Mafia KP is 1 per pack. Players may start talking now (and risk getting checked/shot by KP)
Do be reminded as well that the lynch rule is NOT majority lynch, but plurality lynch; i.e. if you have the most votes by the deadline, even if it is not over 50%, you will be lynched.
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Dont forget to ignore this:
Hello my name is Kenpachi and it's a shame that i am a TL Forumer (Townie) i wanted something cool..
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Hi everyone, it's my first game, i hope we will all have fun together :D
glgl
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Haha funny. Yes laya, I will be sure to ignore that
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So, first night then a day phase?
When does night end?
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glhf all.
Let´s lynch all those werewolves!
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On February 13 2012 02:24 rgTheSchworz wrote:
So, first night then a day phase?
When does night end?
Night ends in 32 hours 30 minutes. I'm giving people 60 hours to do the next day to synchronize stuff.
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can I get some opinions on the rabid fanboy trait.
Personally I don't even think it should be used. Not sure I like the idea of one person making his opinion more important than the town majority.
At the very least if the leader chooses to switch the lynch target without making his intentions clear and discussing with the town he should be lynched the next day. don't ninja-switch the vote, it's scummy.
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Hey guys
Some contact info:
I'm on IRC on quakenet and my nick is "derpladee"
I'm on Skype and my handle is "cptspectacular"
Beware of scammers especially on IRC. Scamming is unfair and against the spirit of the game but it's not against the rules and there are unscrupulous people out there. If you are talking to somebody outside of these forums and you're unsure who they are then ask them to send you a PM.
Anyway, protective roles on Palmar since he's the only reliable and vocal scum hunter on the player list.
Rabid Fanboy needs to think carefully before using his power, to discourage that he uses it without thinking it through first, I'm going to support that he never uses it at all.
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bitches, please.
Here you go: http://webchat.quakenet.org/?channels=WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT&uio=d4
This is my house. No scum allowed. Let's talk in there. In addition I only fully trust people I can confirm through logs.
you can also add me on skype: palmargard
My name on IRC is Palmar. I will at all times be authed as Palmar. Don't get owned by nerds.
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Blazinghand
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Hello.
/confirm
I prefer Skype. My skype name is Blazinghand.
A town Rabid Fanboy shouldn't be jumping out his ass to use his power because if he's still alive at LYLO (say, with 3 town and 1 scum) he can make it so a 1 town 1 scum situation is a town victory.
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I think it's very scummy not to come on IRC. You scum Blazinghand?
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/confirm
I'll be in the IRC channel.
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Quakenet IRC authed as Paperscraps.
I can skype as well, but I am always on that IRC.
also I'm a kangaroo.
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I agree with prplhz in that using the 'Rabid Fanboy' trait is inherently scummy. It's basically a 'Vigilante' trait that steals an action from the town. In addition, using that trait means the next in line receives it, meaning there is a chance that it will get passed down to scum, a doublewhammy against the town.
ghost_403 on skype. Leave a message if I'm not on, and I'll (probably) get back to you.
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/confirm
yay for the start. Glhf all. I prefer skype (handle: froggynoddy) but only evening GMT.
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/confirm
All bitches, lets this game going. Regarding the fanboy thing, it sounds like a "mayor" role. I agree with not using it. If town has agreed on a lynch then by changing the target you are acting against the town. I would say the only time this would be acceptable is if you're a DT that has a green/blue check on the leading lynch target. Then you would have to switch the lynch target and claim before daybreak. Actually, that would depend on who the lynch target is, what role they have and how close to MYLO we are. It is probably better to have the DT permanently hidden.
OK, so it is a no to switching the lynch target even if you have a green check? Thoughts people.
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+ Show Spoiler +On February 13 2012 07:44 Probulous wrote:
/confirm
All bitches, lets this game going. Regarding the fanboy thing, it sounds like a "mayor" role. I agree with not using it. If town has agreed on a lynch then by changing the target you are acting against the town. I would say the only time this would be acceptable is if you're a DT that has a green/blue check on the leading lynch target. Then you would have to switch the lynch target and claim before daybreak. Actually, that would depend on who the lynch target is, what role they have and how close to MYLO we are. It is probably better to have the DT permanently hidden.
OK, so it is a no to switching the lynch target even if you have a green check? Thoughts people.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 15 2011 05:52 DropBear wrote:I present to you: THE PLAN!!!![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/omzLG.jpg) Traits are not alignment based so anyone with the following traits should openly claim immediately: - Rivals should claim once Day 1 has started. Rivals are much more likely to be townies than Mafia. Mafia already have their rivals: the town. Not only this, it puts into perspective your motivations in getting specific people killed. If you prove yourself useful and don't fuck things up you will be assisted where possible in achieving your goals. - Short Fuse should claim and never use their power of modkill. If you fail or succeed, deliberately goading people will shit up the thread to no end. Also it makes us seriously consider the lynching of a Short Fuse, the potential of having a VisceraEyes/BC event needs to be known beforehand. - Rabid Fanboy #1. You are essentially a mayor. Do not use this power without first putting it out in the open. We get a replacement if you die anyway so you are not as important as other roles, no need to hide. - Thief. The rapidly increasing chances of being instalynched as roles are stolen means that scum theives would be unlikely to risk stealing a role a second time, 1for1 trades are not good for Mafia. Claim outright so we can work out when and if you use your role. Additionally, all players should claim their roles, traits and alignments to me via PM asap :D VOTINGMultiple lynches should be avoided on the first few days. We can save them until later when we have more information. Especially with the Night 0 start where people will probably die before we can get a lynch off, we can't just start offing large numbers of people straight away if we mislynch we get fucked much quicker. CELLSAre stupid. From what I have read in past games everyone ignores them and chooses to PM whoever they please. I am in favour of communicating with who you want and whoever wants to talk to you, forcing people into an arbitrarily formed cell doesn't make sense when the formation of such groups can easily be biased. Discuss!
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On February 13 2012 04:10 Blazinghand wrote:
Hello.
/confirm
I prefer Skype. My skype name is Blazinghand.
A town Rabid Fanboy shouldn't be jumping out his ass to use his power because if he's still alive at LYLO (say, with 3 town and 1 scum) he can make it so a 1 town 1 scum situation is a town victory.
That's your logic for not using the rabid fanboy trait? That he may be wrong when he uses it near MYLO? Sorry son you have to do better than that. Fanboy should not be used because that person is deliberately acting against a town consensus. They make themselves look scummy as hell and (unless they have a green check, which outs them as a DT so why bother) they may have saved a red. This applies for the whole game, not just near MYLO.
BH, you can do better.
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ok, Grack and Prob are scum. 4 to go.
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On February 13 2012 07:54 layabout wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 13 2012 07:44 Probulous wrote:
/confirm
All bitches, lets this game going. Regarding the fanboy thing, it sounds like a "mayor" role. I agree with not using it. If town has agreed on a lynch then by changing the target you are acting against the town. I would say the only time this would be acceptable is if you're a DT that has a green/blue check on the leading lynch target. Then you would have to switch the lynch target and claim before daybreak. Actually, that would depend on who the lynch target is, what role they have and how close to MYLO we are. It is probably better to have the DT permanently hidden.
OK, so it is a no to switching the lynch target even if you have a green check? Thoughts people. On August 15 2011 05:52 DropBear wrote:I present to you: THE PLAN!!!Traits are not alignment based so anyone with the following traits should openly claim immediately: - Rivals should claim once Day 1 has started. Rivals are much more likely to be townies than Mafia. Mafia already have their rivals: the town. Not only this, it puts into perspective your motivations in getting specific people killed. If you prove yourself useful and don't fuck things up you will be assisted where possible in achieving your goals. - Short Fuse should claim and never use their power of modkill. If you fail or succeed, deliberately goading people will shit up the thread to no end. Also it makes us seriously consider the lynching of a Short Fuse, the potential of having a VisceraEyes/BC event needs to be known beforehand. - Rabid Fanboy #1. You are essentially a mayor. Do not use this power without first putting it out in the open. We get a replacement if you die anyway so you are not as important as other roles, no need to hide. - Thief. The rapidly increasing chances of being instalynched as roles are stolen means that scum theives would be unlikely to risk stealing a role a second time, 1for1 trades are not good for Mafia. Claim outright so we can work out when and if you use your role. Additionally, all players should claim their roles, traits and alignments to me via PM asap :D VOTINGMultiple lynches should be avoided on the first few days. We can save them until later when we have more information. Especially with the Night 0 start where people will probably die before we can get a lynch off, we can't just start offing large numbers of people straight away if we mislynch we get fucked much quicker. CELLSAre stupid. From what I have read in past games everyone ignores them and chooses to PM whoever they please. I am in favour of communicating with who you want and whoever wants to talk to you, forcing people into an arbitrarily formed cell doesn't make sense when the formation of such groups can easily be biased. Discuss! lol
Do you a have a point? Yes that is where I got it from. It stuck with me because it made sense to me and I have seen mayor roles before. Nice to see that you are reading previous games though.
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On February 13 2012 07:57 Palmar wrote:
ok, Grack and Prob are scum. 4 to go.
Love you too.
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yo if you all lemme in the IRCz and logs your stuffs I can do some post-games, ya hear?
kk gl hf don't have unprotected sex with other players
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On February 13 2012 07:57 Palmar wrote:
ok, Grack and Prob are scum. 4 to go.
Palmar, I know you like keep things close to your chest but it doesn't help anyone else when you don't explain yourself. How do you "know" there are six mafia? As for Grack he has the same understanding of the fanboy trait that I do and he is participating so I don't see why he is mafia. I am town, so clearly your radar is off.
You started the game positively and so far I have you pegged as town. So help out a fellow townie and explain what I am missing.
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/4QxXq.jpg) A scumdar that works 50% of the time isn't "clearly off" when there aren't 50% scum in the game.
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also, I has qt for observers. PM me to get it.
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On February 13 2012 08:35 prplhz wrote:
A scumdar that works 50% of the time isn't "clearly off" when there aren't 50% scum in the game. [/center]
He called me scum, so yes his radar is off. Anyway nice to see you here Prpl. What are your thoughts on Grack?
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How should I know?
I didn't talk to him so I have no idea what all this fuss is about. Maybe you guys could post those IRC logs and everybody else could have a look?
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+ Show Spoiler +[09:45] == Probulous [webchat@203.166.17.27] has joined #WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT [09:45] <Grackaroni_> hello [09:45] <Probulous> Even brothers [09:45] <Probulous> evening* [09:45] <Grackaroni_> theres nothing going on in here lol [09:45] <Grackaroni_> I think everyones afk [09:46] <Probulous> Fine, your thoughts on my thoughts about the rabid fan-boy thing. I posted in teh thread about it. [09:47] <Grackaroni_> oh if a player is a dt then he should be able to switch it [09:47] <Grackaroni_> he has more information than the town so he can make a better decision [09:49] <layabout> Probulous [09:49] <layabout> where did you get the idea that fanboy was mayor from? [09:51] <Grackaroni_> I can understand that. Mayor decides 1 lynch the leader can switch 1 lynch. sort of similar. [09:52] == derpladee [~ukulele@x1-6-00-26-f2-31-92-e1.k1064.webspeed.dk] has joined #WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT [09:52] <derpladee> who is kawe [09:52] <Grackaroni_> idk [09:53] <layabout> he has been here for ages [09:54] <layabout> palmar wasn't worried about him/her [09:55] <@Palmar> he's a friend of mine [09:55] <@Palmar> not playing the game [09:55] == Palmar changed the topic of #WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT to: No scum allowed [09:59] <Grackaroni_> Hey palmar maybe you can not be a troll in thread? [09:59] <Probulous> @Grack, No the problem is that having a hidden DT is good. If the DT outs themselves to save a townie that townie better be worth a hell of a lot. Cause DT is going bye bye that night. I guess it depends on when this happens [09:59] <Grackaroni_> theres a lot of new people that will listen to you're shit [09:59] == Mattchew [webchat@174.44.3.68] has quit [Ping timeout] [10:00] <Probulous> That is why I wanted people's thoughts. [10:00] <layabout> game will end really quickly because the last one did [10:01] <@Palmar> Why are you afraid of that Grack? [10:01] <layabout> thoughts? [10:01] <@Palmar> normally no one ever listens to me [10:01] <Probulous> Is it better to have a hidden DT but have a miss-lynch or out the DT and try and save him with a medic to prevent that miss-lynch. Given the DT will look pretty bad for switching the target? [10:01] <@Palmar> because they think I might be scum [10:01] <Grackaroni_> its annoying [10:01] <@Palmar> Why? [10:01] <Grackaroni_> I talked to you 5 minutes [10:01] <@Palmar> layabout talked to me 2 minutes, I think he's town [10:01] <Grackaroni_> then you troll in thread [10:01] <@Palmar> not trolling [10:01] <@Palmar> I think you're scum [10:01] <@Palmar> prove me wrong [10:01] <Grackaroni_> you gonna shoot me? [10:01] <@Palmar> No, not yet. [10:02] <Probulous> He he thanks Palmar [10:02] <Grackaroni_> also why does Layabout think you're town Palmar? [10:02] <@Palmar> why are you asking me questions about what other people think? [10:02] <@Palmar> why don't you ask him? [10:02] <Grackaroni_> if this plan is too secret to tell me than he must have a good reason [10:02] <Probulous> Yo layabout you want to explain what is wrong with reading previous games? [10:03] <layabout> where did i say i think that? [10:03] <Grackaroni_> to tell you [10:03] <@Palmar> it's scummy probulous [10:03] <Probulous> You;re LOL [10:03] <Grackaroni_> I'm making an assumption [10:03] <Probulous> Why? [10:03] <@Palmar> whatever, prob is probably not scum [10:03] <@Palmar> Grack is though [10:03] <@Palmar> ok [10:03] <@Palmar> let's hang Grack tomorrow [10:03] <Probulous> Come on Palmar I want to know why it is scummy. Please explain [10:03] <Grackaroni_> honestly [10:04] <Grackaroni_> . . . [10:04] <layabout> nothing, i was amused that you were lifting content but not saying crediting your source [10:04] <@Palmar> lol [10:04] <@Palmar> u mad? [10:04] <Probulous> Right, ok fair enough then. [10:04] <@Palmar> got figured out in 2 minutes [10:04] <@Palmar> afk [10:04] <Probulous> No I aint mad. I want to learn. [10:05] <@Palmar> I'm talking to Grack [10:05] <Grackaroni_> yes [10:05] <@Palmar> you're uninteresting atm [10:05] <@Palmar> afk [10:07] <Grackaroni_> well I g2g in 5 minutes [10:11] <Grackaroni_> Btw make you're case in thread Palmar. maybe you will get your head out of your ass because you have no case. [10:12] <Grackaroni_> afk [10:15] <Probulous> Palmar, why do you assume there are 6 scum? I can't find it in the OP so either I have missed something or you are assuming based on info I don't have or you are mafia. Which is it? [10:17] == Mattchew [webchat@174.44.3.68] has joined #WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT [10:22] <Paperscraps> each werewolve pack has 3 members [10:30] <Probulous> where does it say that? [10:32] <Probulous> Paper, why you hiding bro. Join me in thread. [10:32] <@Palmar> it's in the op [10:35] <Probulous> Can you quote it for me cause for the life of me I cannot find it. All I see is ???blah blah blah but nothing that states three per pack. To be honest it is driving me nuts. [10:35] <@Palmar> oh right [10:35] <@Palmar> yeah [10:36] <@Palmar> there can be more than one of each role [10:36] <derpladee> 8 scum in 21 player game seems a big excessive though [10:36] <derpladee> even considering that there are two teams [10:37] <@Palmar> well could be, only 2 kp per scum total [10:37] <@Palmar> for 6 scum, 3 would be the norm [10:37] <derpladee> but it still requires us to lynch scum very often [10:38] <@Palmar> oh [10:38] <@Palmar> wait [10:38] <@Palmar> only 21 player in the game? [10:38] <@Palmar> dota game [10:38] <@Palmar> bbl [10:40] <Probulous> So it was a derp then... Great because I was tearing my hair out trying to figure out where you got six scum from.
He doesn't explain it in there either  I don't think I like irc. It is too hard to read what people are saying in context. Plus you get ignored if people don't want to answer your question.
Re: Rabid Trait
I am trying to work out whether it is worth a DT outing himself to save a miss-lynch. For example if the DT has a green check on the target he can switch them out at deadline and then claim right before dawn. That way he is looking pretty scummy overnight and will hopefully survive with two townies intact. Alternatively he can stay quiet and save himself but let a miss-lynch go through. The consensus here seems to be to not use the trait ever but I can think of circumstances where it is not a bad idea. What your thoughts on this?
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Damn, this thread fills up fast.
I'll be on IRC some of the time, but since I'm on SC2 a lot these days I won't be as active as I usually am.
same name on IRC
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Idea for IRC since it's being logged:
Don't make
posts like this
where you type individual clauses
at a time
But rather talk like this, preferably in 1 sentence or more. Even if you're not used to it (I always type in fragments too ) at least make an attempt for this one.
That way it's easier to scroll through and find whatever post you're looking for.
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If Palmar was scum, he would know how big his pack is and therefore would also know how big the second pack is (as anyone would assume that they are the same size). That would explain why he knows there are 6.
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/confirm gl hf reading the thread
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Also, on irc im Bluelightz, but sometimes might derp around and might be Mr_Blue or Mr_Lightz
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On February 13 2012 09:17 phagga wrote:
If Palmar was scum, he would know how big his pack is and therefore would also know how big the second pack is (as anyone would assume that they are the same size). That would explain why he knows there are 6.
[10:35] <@Palmar> oh right
[10:35] <@Palmar> yeah
[10:36] <@Palmar> there can be more than one of each role
[10:36] <derpladee> 8 scum in 21 player game seems a big excessive though
[10:36] <derpladee> even considering that there are two teams
[10:37] <@Palmar> well could be, only 2 kp per scum total
[10:37] <@Palmar> for 6 scum, 3 would be the norm
[10:37] <derpladee> but it still requires us to lynch scum very often
[10:38] <@Palmar> oh
[10:38] <@Palmar> wait
[10:38] <@Palmar> only 21 player in the game?
[10:38] <@Palmar> dota game
[10:38] <@Palmar> bbl
It was a derp. He thought there was only one of each role from what I understand.
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Stop discussing that. It doesn't say anything about Palmar's alignment.
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On February 13 2012 09:51 prplhz wrote:
Stop discussing that. It doesn't say anything about Palmar's alignment.
Aaah, you're a pretty queen now
I was just clarifying exactly that point. Palmar just got it wrong. He says so in irc and clearly the phag man didn't read it. What do you want to discuss? I asked you about the trait thing but you don't want to talk about that.
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Lets talk about how bacon is good for me!
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Misread the irc log, dropping the topic. You should hear when it hits the ground.
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On February 13 2012 10:00 Paperscraps wrote:
Lets talk about how bacon is good for me!
Let's talk about how you have been lurking all game long whilst still reading the thread. I asked you to comment in the irc thread and you disappeared. Now you pop into here to troll. Whilst enough bacon can kill you, a noose is more reliable.
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On February 13 2012 10:09 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 10:00 Paperscraps wrote:
Lets talk about how bacon is good for me! Let's talk about how you have been lurking all game long whilst still reading the thread. I asked you to comment in the irc thread and you disappeared. Now you pop into here to troll. Whilst enough bacon can kill you, a noose is more reliable.
Hi Prob!
You completely left the IRC , so how could I respond back to you?
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why do i always check tl an hour before the game starts and then not until 10 hours later...
going out to dinner now so be back in a few hours
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On February 13 2012 10:29 sinani206 wrote:
why do i always check tl an hour before the game starts and then not until 10 hours later...
Story of my life. I'll be back in the morning.
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On February 13 2012 10:24 Paperscraps wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 10:09 Probulous wrote:On February 13 2012 10:00 Paperscraps wrote:
Lets talk about how bacon is good for me! Let's talk about how you have been lurking all game long whilst still reading the thread. I asked you to comment in the irc thread and you disappeared. Now you pop into here to troll. Whilst enough bacon can kill you, a noose is more reliable. Hi Prob! You completely left the IRC , so how could I respond back to you?
[10:22] <Paperscraps> each werewolve pack has 3 members [10:30] <Probulous> where does it say that? [10:32] <Probulous> Paper, why you hiding bro. Join me in thread.
I asked to respond in the thread. Clearly you didn't read it properly or you didn't want to respond. So why are you actively lurking and why did you think there were three wolves per pack? I find it really strange that people just assumed Palmar was right.
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On February 13 2012 10:39 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 10:24 Paperscraps wrote:On February 13 2012 10:09 Probulous wrote:On February 13 2012 10:00 Paperscraps wrote:
Lets talk about how bacon is good for me! Let's talk about how you have been lurking all game long whilst still reading the thread. I asked you to comment in the irc thread and you disappeared. Now you pop into here to troll. Whilst enough bacon can kill you, a noose is more reliable. Hi Prob! You completely left the IRC , so how could I respond back to you? Show nested quote +[10:22] <Paperscraps> each werewolve pack has 3 members [10:30] <Probulous> where does it say that? [10:32] <Probulous> Paper, why you hiding bro. Join me in thread. I asked to respond in the thread. Clearly you didn't read it properly or you didn't want to respond. So why are you actively lurking and why did you think there were three wolves per pack? I find it really strange that people just assumed Palmar was right.
I admit to not reading it properly. I have just been skimming over the IRC. Also I am not sure how I am lurking, since I have been more active than half the people in this game so far. Actively lurking is a pretty funny concept if you think about it. I didn't assume Palmar was right. In the previous werewolves game there were 3 scum per team in a game of 21 players. That is where my assumption came from.
Also you should come back into the IRC.
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/confirm
Been really busy today, but that's okay. Also had connectivity issues.
I can only connect to quakenet from home, but not when I'm at school due to the education firewall. I live at residence, so I am on the school's internet monday night - friday morning so I will NOT be on quakenet at all. If I am on quakenet, I will be Uprising or Lanaia, and it WILL not happen during the week. If you guys need anything else, lemme know. I have some things to reread thus far.
This game looks pretty cool.
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On February 13 2012 09:58 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 09:51 prplhz wrote:
Stop discussing that. It doesn't say anything about Palmar's alignment. Aaah, you're a pretty queen now I was just clarifying exactly that point. Palmar just got it wrong. He says so in irc and clearly the phag man didn't read it. What do you want to discuss? I asked you about the trait thing but you don't want to talk about that.
Holy fuck I'm a queen that's maybe even cooler than a lurker!!! :
I'm like Forumite and Foolishness now
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Oh, hey. Gonna try using the webchat client to see if that'll let me on through the education firewall.
if you want my skype, you'll have to PM me.
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Blazinghand
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On February 13 2012 07:56 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 04:10 Blazinghand wrote:
Hello.
/confirm
I prefer Skype. My skype name is Blazinghand.
A town Rabid Fanboy shouldn't be jumping out his ass to use his power because if he's still alive at LYLO (say, with 3 town and 1 scum) he can make it so a 1 town 1 scum situation is a town victory. That's your logic for not using the rabid fanboy trait? That he may be wrong when he uses it near MYLO? Sorry son you have to do better than that. Fanboy should not be used because that person is deliberately acting against a town consensus. They make themselves look scummy as hell and (unless they have a green check, which outs them as a DT so why bother) they may have saved a red. This applies for the whole game, not just near MYLO. BH, you can do better.
Um... wow the only thing I have to say here is that you're literally retarded. Like, you rode the short bus to school and there are special classes for you. But that's okay! I don't discriminate.
What I said: A Rabid Fanboy makes a 1 town 1 scum situation (where he is the town) a town victory, if he hasn't used his power. He can use it and win a 1 vs 1 vote.
What you said: "he may be wrong when he uses it near MYLO"
I... I don't even know how you misunderstood me. In any case, english is your second language so I will cut you some slack. Take a moment to check things out before being dissappointed though, and maybe use google translate if you're having trouble dealing with compound sentences.
On February 13 2012 05:46 Palmar wrote:
I think it's very scummy not to come on IRC. You scum Blazinghand?
I don't have a desktop IRC client, and using webirc won't make logs for me. Skype does, however. Is it such a pain for you to log into skype? We can even make chat rooms and shit so it shouldn't be a problem (though with those you'll want to copy/paste logs since people can edit previous IMs).
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Great, looks like I have to learn to use IRC. :/
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On February 13 2012 12:46 ghost_403 wrote:
Great, looks like I have to learn to use IRC. :/
its not much to learn.
/join #WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT
thats all you need
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Blazinghand
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Oh uh if you're gonna be in like multiple channels, how do you stop someone from /whois ing you and like finding what other channels you're in? Can this be done with the webIRC client?
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Make sure you all send in your night actions to both Ciryandor and myself.
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On February 13 2012 14:00 Blazinghand wrote:
Oh uh if you're gonna be in like multiple channels, how do you stop someone from /whois ing you and like finding what other channels you're in? Can this be done with the webIRC client?
This sounds a little suspect. However, there should be a function for making a channel private. Though, I don't know quakenet that well so I may be wrong.
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On February 13 2012 12:42 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 07:56 Probulous wrote:On February 13 2012 04:10 Blazinghand wrote:
Hello.
/confirm
I prefer Skype. My skype name is Blazinghand.
A town Rabid Fanboy shouldn't be jumping out his ass to use his power because if he's still alive at LYLO (say, with 3 town and 1 scum) he can make it so a 1 town 1 scum situation is a town victory. That's your logic for not using the rabid fanboy trait? That he may be wrong when he uses it near MYLO? Sorry son you have to do better than that. Fanboy should not be used because that person is deliberately acting against a town consensus. They make themselves look scummy as hell and (unless they have a green check, which outs them as a DT so why bother) they may have saved a red. This applies for the whole game, not just near MYLO. BH, you can do better. Um... wow the only thing I have to say here is that you're literally retarded. Like, you rode the short bus to school and there are special classes for you. But that's okay! I don't discriminate.What I said: A Rabid Fanboy makes a 1 town 1 scum situation (where he is the town) a town victory, if he hasn't used his power. He can use it and win a 1 vs 1 vote. What you said: "he may be wrong when he uses it near MYLO" I... I don't even know how you misunderstood me. In any case, english is your second language so I will cut you some slack. Take a moment to check things out before being dissappointed though, and maybe use google translate if you're having trouble dealing with compound sentences.
Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 05:46 Palmar wrote:
I think it's very scummy not to come on IRC. You scum Blazinghand? I don't have a desktop IRC client, and using webirc won't make logs for me. Skype does, however. Is it such a pain for you to log into skype? We can even make chat rooms and shit so it shouldn't be a problem (though with those you'll want to copy/paste logs since people can edit previous IMs).
Play nice. No need to insult people.
My point was simple, you seemed to be implying that the only time that it is not advisable to use the trait is near end game. Of course in the situation you used it would be stupid to switch the leader. My point was that it makes no sense to point out a narrow definition of when you cannot use the trait when you shouldn't be using it ever.
You said "A town Rabid Fanboy shouldn't be jumping out his ass to use his power because if he's still alive at LYLO", well to me he should never be using it. You didn't explain why it is ok to use it at other times, eventhough everyone else seemed to think differently. If you did not mean that, then you should make yourself clear.
Honestly, what is with your hostility? You mad bro?
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Blazinghand
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On February 13 2012 14:51 Probulous wrote:
You didn't explain why it is ok to use it at other times
On February 13 2012 04:10 Blazinghand wrote:
he can make it so a 1 town 1 scum situation is a town victory.
ಠ_ಠ
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Ok, I misread. Apologies BH. Still keep your rage inside alright.
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Blazinghand
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HULK SMASH PUNY PROBULOUS
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Blazinghand
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On February 13 2012 13:33 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 12:46 ghost_403 wrote:
Great, looks like I have to learn to use IRC. :/ its not much to learn. /join #WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT thats all you need
I'm gonna conserve you some time here and say ghost_403 is definitely scum if he can't figure out how to use some sort of chat program, irc, skype, something
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On February 13 2012 17:01 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 13:33 Kenpachi wrote:On February 13 2012 12:46 ghost_403 wrote:
Great, looks like I have to learn to use IRC. :/ its not much to learn. /join #WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT thats all you need I'm gonna conserve you some time here and say ghost_403 is definitely scum if he can't figure out how to use some sort of chat program, irc, skype, something
Sorry but i don't understand this... if he is scum he would be in advantage coming into the IRC and chatting with town to know what they think... or not?
Sry everybody for not coming in the IRC, i tried twice and no one was chatting (and since I'm in europe and i have to sleep i can't connect at certain times )
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So, a couple things I don't like so far, all involving blazinghand.
On February 13 2012 14:00 Blazinghand wrote:
Oh uh if you're gonna be in like multiple channels, how do you stop someone from /whois ing you and like finding what other channels you're in? Can this be done with the webIRC client?
This kinda makes it feel like he's trying to make a scum channel. I mean, I don't see what you'd need to hide from everyone as town. Unless you're trying to make a PR circle, which I can't say I'd imagine would work well in this setup...
Also,
On February 13 2012 17:01 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 13:33 Kenpachi wrote:On February 13 2012 12:46 ghost_403 wrote:
Great, looks like I have to learn to use IRC. :/ its not much to learn. /join #WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT thats all you need I'm gonna conserve you some time here and say ghost_403 is definitely scum if he can't figure out how to use some sort of chat program, irc, skype, something
How the hell would that make him scum?
Thus far, not liking mr blazinghand.
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Blazinghand
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On February 13 2012 17:28 Lanaia wrote:So, a couple things I don't like so far, all involving blazinghand. Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 14:00 Blazinghand wrote:
Oh uh if you're gonna be in like multiple channels, how do you stop someone from /whois ing you and like finding what other channels you're in? Can this be done with the webIRC client? This kinda makes it feel like he's trying to make a scum channel. I mean, I don't see what you'd need to hide from everyone as town. Unless you're trying to make a PR circle, which I can't say I'd imagine would work well in this setup... Also, Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 17:01 Blazinghand wrote:On February 13 2012 13:33 Kenpachi wrote:On February 13 2012 12:46 ghost_403 wrote:
Great, looks like I have to learn to use IRC. :/ its not much to learn. /join #WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT thats all you need I'm gonna conserve you some time here and say ghost_403 is definitely scum if he can't figure out how to use some sort of chat program, irc, skype, something How the hell would that make him scum? Thus far, not liking mr blazinghand.
ah yes you're right a scum player without access to a scum QT would totally come into the main thread to coordinate with his scumteammates you are a very smart person
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Blazinghand
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On February 13 2012 17:44 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 17:28 Lanaia wrote:So, a couple things I don't like so far, all involving blazinghand. On February 13 2012 14:00 Blazinghand wrote:
Oh uh if you're gonna be in like multiple channels, how do you stop someone from /whois ing you and like finding what other channels you're in? Can this be done with the webIRC client? This kinda makes it feel like he's trying to make a scum channel. I mean, I don't see what you'd need to hide from everyone as town. Unless you're trying to make a PR circle, which I can't say I'd imagine would work well in this setup... Also, On February 13 2012 17:01 Blazinghand wrote:On February 13 2012 13:33 Kenpachi wrote:On February 13 2012 12:46 ghost_403 wrote:
Great, looks like I have to learn to use IRC. :/ its not much to learn. /join #WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT thats all you need I'm gonna conserve you some time here and say ghost_403 is definitely scum if he can't figure out how to use some sort of chat program, irc, skype, something How the hell would that make him scum? Thus far, not liking mr blazinghand. ah yes you're right a scum player without access to a scum QT would totally come into the main thread to coordinate with his scumteammates you are a very smart person
EBWOP: on further speculation, it occurs to me that a scum guy would just talk in his QT with his fellow scum teammates there. HUH. HOW ABOUT THAT. Oh what's that blazinghand? maybe there would be some benefit to masking the name of the channel you're using to coordinate your group of analyzers from possible scums /whoising you in the #TLmafia channel? Oh, huh, never mind, disregard my previous post, it looks like blazinghand is a totally helpful town player and lanaia is talking out her ass
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On February 13 2012 17:44 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 17:28 Lanaia wrote:So, a couple things I don't like so far, all involving blazinghand. On February 13 2012 14:00 Blazinghand wrote:
Oh uh if you're gonna be in like multiple channels, how do you stop someone from /whois ing you and like finding what other channels you're in? Can this be done with the webIRC client? This kinda makes it feel like he's trying to make a scum channel. I mean, I don't see what you'd need to hide from everyone as town. Unless you're trying to make a PR circle, which I can't say I'd imagine would work well in this setup... Also, On February 13 2012 17:01 Blazinghand wrote:On February 13 2012 13:33 Kenpachi wrote:On February 13 2012 12:46 ghost_403 wrote:
Great, looks like I have to learn to use IRC. :/ its not much to learn. /join #WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT thats all you need I'm gonna conserve you some time here and say ghost_403 is definitely scum if he can't figure out how to use some sort of chat program, irc, skype, something How the hell would that make him scum? Thus far, not liking mr blazinghand. ah yes you're right a scum player without access to a scum QT would totally come into the main thread to coordinate with his scumteammates you are a very smart person
I can't tell what part you're replying to.
I don't know, just the way you phrased what you did really bothered me.
Sarcastic insult noted.
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meh, blazinghand is too cocky/dumb to be scum atm.
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I think we should murder sinani206. At worst nothing of value will have been lost.
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Palmar, is there a reason you want sinani dead?
How do you feel about paperscraps thus far?
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On February 13 2012 17:51 Lanaia wrote:
Palmar, is there a reason you want sinani dead?
How do you feel about paperscraps thus far?
Paperscraps came on IRC and talked to me. That's towny. sinani is being useless, not that he doesn't do that as town too. But he will come under suspicion at one point another in the game. Might as well vigi him now. It increases town's chance of winning even when he's town.
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I know Nisani already provided this, but I'm more awesome so here you go.
http://www.palmar.org/mafia
This includes all the logs from the #WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT channel, sorted by days.
In addition, there is a search function (I spent 5 minutes on this, so it's very raw) under the /search folder where you can punch in a playername (or anything... really) and it'll print every line from all the log files that includes whatever you put in. I haven't done anything to format it yet though. Might do it if there's little to do at work.
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Please treat PMs as an extension of the thread, and be civil with talking to people. Personal insults without relevance to the game are frowned upon.
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So the game started roughly 20 hours ago, and the following 2 people have not written anything so far:
- Hufy
- zeurg
Let's hope they get active soon.
My thoughts:
On February 13 2012 09:17 phagga wrote:
If Palmar was scum, he would know how big his pack is and therefore would also know how big the second pack is (as anyone would assume that they are the same size). That would explain why he knows there are 6.
On February 13 2012 09:51 prplhz wrote:
Stop discussing that. It doesn't say anything about Palmar's alignment.
This reaction is rather townish. If he was scum, he wouldn't mind if the town bickers about useless topics. Or he and Palmar are both in the same pack, which is unlikely.
About Grackaroni:
In IRC a "secret plan" is mentioned to him. He seems very eager to learn about it.
in IRC Grackaroni wrote:
20120212.log:[21:52:45] <Grackaroni> and no i am not scum
20120212.log:[21:53:10] <Grackaroni> plan is?
20120212.log:[21:53:39] <Grackaroni> secret scum plan?
20120212.log:[21:53:59] <Grackaroni> if its supposed to benefit town than why does it have to be a secret
20120212.log:[21:54:06] <Grackaroni> lol
20120212.log:[21:54:11] <Grackaroni> silly troll
20120212.log:[21:54:34] <Grackaroni> i guess that makes you town though
20120212.log:[21:54:35] <Grackaroni> apparently
20120212.log:[21:54:51] <Grackaroni> k
20120212.log:[21:55:05] <Grackaroni> cya
20120212.log:[21:55:24] <Grackaroni> layabout you still here?
20120212.log:[21:55:51] <Grackaroni> what
20120212.log:[21:56:18] <Grackaroni> do you actually have some sort of plan?
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/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120212.log:[23:02:58] <Grackaroni_> if this plan is too secret to tell me than he must have a good reason
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/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[01:51:59] <Grackaroni_> I really haven't talked to him enough to find out. Layabout and him had some form of a plan, I would be interested in what it is.
Additionally, as it was mentioned on IRC, he is very defensive about being a townie:
in IRC Grackaroni wrote:20120212.log:[23:11:10] <Grackaroni_> Btw make you're case in thread Palmar. maybe you will get your head out of your ass because you have no case. 20120212.log:[23:12:06] <Grackaroni_> afk 20120213.log:[01:21:59] <Grackaroni_> back 20120213.log:[01:24:24] <Grackaroni_> I would guess theres not 6 mafia just so they can allow the forum newbie in the game. Seems like a cool mechanic to leave out 20120213.log:[01:26:33] <Grackaroni_> Also Prplhz you're I'm likely to be town so assume I'm town makes 0 sense lol. Everyone has the same probability... 20120213.log:[01:28:29] <Grackaroni_> [19:02] "<derpladee> why do you say "if you're scum" when you know i'm town lol" wtf is this? 20120213.log:[01:30:42] <derpladee> how many mafia would you then guess that there is Grackaroni_? 20120213.log:[01:31:51] <Grackaroni_> well it has to be even so 2 per team maybe? with a GF and a forum newbie 20120213.log:[01:31:58] <Grackaroni_> I'm doing no different than anybody else 20120213.log:[01:31:59] <Grackaroni_> per team 20120213.log:[01:32:01] <Grackaroni_> guessing 3 20120213.log:[01:32:34] <Grackaroni_> yeah its luck based 20120213.log:[01:32:39] <Grackaroni_> could be 4 mafia on one team against 2 20120213.log:[01:33:05] <Grackaroni_> tbh 20120213.log:[01:33:13] <Grackaroni_> hes not doing much 20120213.log:[01:33:21] <Grackaroni_> he wont even explain his scum read on me he's just tunneling me 20120213.log:[01:34:27] <Grackaroni_> what sucks is that people like you agree with him based off his reputation 20120213.log:[01:35:05] <Grackaroni_> [19:04] <derpladee> "palmar busted grack and then prob left in a hurry" you already assume I'm scum without even being there when I first talked to him. 20120213.log:[01:35:12] <derpladee> Grackaroni_, when did i agree with him based on his reputation? 20120213.log:[01:37:01] <Grackaroni_> Palmar is a lazy scum player 20120213.log:[01:37:41] <Grackaroni_> who is overseer? 20120213.log:[01:37:42] <Grackaroni_> btw 20120213.log:[01:38:42] <Grackaroni_> its too early to tell 20120213.log:[01:39:10] <Grackaroni_> I think if he actually made a case on me I would be more inclined to believe he was town 20120213.log:[01:40:30] <Grackaroni_> and to be honest Palmar played a game where he didn't do anything recently and got lynched 1 and was town 20120213.log:[01:41:05] <Grackaroni_> I don't remember what game but he was a miller 20120213.log:[01:41:22] <Grackaroni_> ... 20120213.log:[01:41:22] <Grackaroni_> lol 20120213.log:[01:41:22] <Grackaroni_> Its false scumhunting 20120213.log:[01:41:22] <Grackaroni_> mattchew is scum 20120213.log:[01:43:19] <Grackaroni_> what Palmar has done so far 20120213.log:[01:43:35] <Grackaroni_> He has tunelled me and to a lesser extent prob without even providing a reason
Not a clear case, but suspicious. I'd suspect a townie to be more relaxed about both topics.
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On February 13 2012 17:01 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 13:33 Kenpachi wrote:On February 13 2012 12:46 ghost_403 wrote:
Great, looks like I have to learn to use IRC. :/ its not much to learn. /join #WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT thats all you need I'm gonna conserve you some time here and say ghost_403 is definitely scum if he can't figure out how to use some sort of chat program, irc, skype, something
On February 13 2012 06:51 ghost_403 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I agree with prplhz in that using the 'Rabid Fanboy' trait is inherently scummy. It's basically a 'Vigilante' trait that steals an action from the town. In addition, using that trait means the next in line receives it, meaning there is a chance that it will get passed down to scum, a doublewhammy against the town. ghost_403 on skype. Leave a message if I'm not on, and I'll (probably) get back to you.
Clearly, I'm scum. Can't believe everyone missed it. /sarc.
Off to work ATM. Should be back around 5EST, at which point I'll learn to IRC.
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If someone could put a bullet trough prplhz, that'd be grand.
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Now that I'm confirmed town you should probably all claim to me.
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On February 13 2012 21:48 Palmar wrote:
Now that I'm confirmed town you should probably all claim to me.
do not do this
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On February 13 2012 21:49 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 21:48 Palmar wrote:
Now that I'm confirmed town you should probably all claim to me. do not do this
Why? Because it's hard to maintain fake claims?
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On February 13 2012 21:49 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 21:49 Mattchew wrote:On February 13 2012 21:48 Palmar wrote:
Now that I'm confirmed town you should probably all claim to me. do not do this Why? Because it's hard to maintain fake claims?
because in no way shape or form are you confirmed town
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On February 13 2012 21:50 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 21:49 Palmar wrote:On February 13 2012 21:49 Mattchew wrote:On February 13 2012 21:48 Palmar wrote:
Now that I'm confirmed town you should probably all claim to me. do not do this Why? Because it's hard to maintain fake claims? because in no way shape or form are you confirmed town
Bitch please...
Scum.
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Hello sorry for late response have been seeing clients all morning.
@ Palmar: Please could you explain to a noob (me) how you are confirmed town? And lets say that he is, I 'd like to point townies to this:
From BC's Guide: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=188179
One leader
This has been a problem in many games. One player in thread or in PM’s is solidified as the primary leader of the town. It somehow falls on them to do almost all the heavy lifting in the game. This causes multiple issues. If they are red, town instantly loses. If they are not careful and information is leaked to mafia, town will lose. If they are not confident in their decisions the town will become confused and you will typically lose. If you die, town is thrown into chaos and usually implodes.
This can be solved by not centralizing leadership on one person. In PM games smaller 2-5 member groups thinking as small cells and analyzing/pushing beliefs, etc… are more effective than one single leader. Multiple strong personalities in a thread (see L, Ace, etc.) Multiple players like that in a thread will argue, clash and ultimately things will get done. It also lets town get a better idea of alignment on players as the more aggressive they are the more analysis you can perform on them.
Anyone can learn the thread presence that the bigger named players possess and all it requires is confidence in your own abilities, and learning to not back down. Sometimes you will be wrong, but if multiple people do this in a game you get essentially an in game thought circle. People will toss ideas at each other and ultimately stronger analysis is usually accomplished. If you notice only one player is stepping up and you feel you have an important point to add, push it through. Your opinion may be disagreed with but that doesn’t make it any less valid.
re Grack: how experienced is he? If he's new I could imagine that being defensive could be quite natural as a townie (just trying to imagine how I would react to an allegation myself).
Re BH: being rude is not cool particularly as you were so nice to me pre-game , but I guess we'd need to see his game history to see if he reacts rudely to allegations as townie or scum or whether thats his normal play.+ Show Spoiler +
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Sorry re previous post's misplaced spoiler (old browser on work comp). I assume one isn't allowed to edit posts.
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I like you froggynoddy. Keep up the good work.
A town full of sheep is just waiting to get eaten by werewolves.
Current inactives/lurkers:
Hufy
rgTheSchworz
zeurg
mderg
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+ Show Spoiler +
Has anybody found anything interesting that they would like to share?
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On February 13 2012 14:00 Blazinghand wrote:
Oh uh if you're gonna be in like multiple channels, how do you stop someone from /whois ing you and like finding what other channels you're in? Can this be done with the webIRC client?
Um... wow the only thing I have to say here is that you're literally retarded. Like, you rode the short bus to school and there are special classes for you. But that's okay! I don't discriminate.
.................... anyway, if you're on a channel and you're OP then you can use:
/mode #channelname +s
to make the channel secret, it will not show up on /whois for anybody who isn't also on that same channel with you. This does not stay if there is a period when nobody on the channel so make sure you set it again if you're the first one in there again later.
Didn't you say you were not going to act this way in this game? What made you decide to act this way anyway?
Crusading forumer (vigilante) shouldn't shoot tonight if that wasn't obvious.
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zzzzzzz
inactivity is the bane of town existence, if we want to win people need to post and irc more
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I don't think Blazinghand is stupid enough to ask in the thread how to create secret channels on irc if he was intending on using it to communicate with scum.
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Blazinghand
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On February 13 2012 22:41 prplhz wrote:
Didn't you say you were not going to act this way in this game? What made you decide to act this way anyway?
Act what way? thanks for the help by the way
On February 13 2012 23:39 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't think Blazinghand is stupid enough to ask in the thread how to create secret channels on irc if he was intending on using it to communicate with scum.
Ah thank you for the stirring defense
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Living in Europe doesn´t seem to benefit me here... not that good to talk with others in irc
On the rabid fanboy topic: I think it´s best to not use it at all, if there´s nothing crazy like 1 scum and 1 town remaining.
Also I don´t understand why Palmar wants sinani206 and prplhz killed. I can´t see this helping town in any way. A town player (even a useless one) at least counts as townie. So why should we kill someone, if we don´t gain anything?
On February 13 2012 21:48 Palmar wrote:
Now that I'm confirmed town you should probably all claim to me.
This also doesn´t make sense at all, I can´t imagine him being serious with this. And not playing seriously or joking doesn´t give information. It also creates a strange image of you, so I´d like you to give reasons for your statements in the thread.
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Also I don´t understand why Palmar wants sinani206 and prplhz killed. I can´t see this helping town in any way. A town player (even a useless one) at least counts as townie. So why should we kill someone, if we don´t gain anything?
From my reading of other games its worthwhile, particularly at this relatively random stage of early game, to get rid of anyone harming toen, confrimed scum or not (unless obv there is a better/scumier alternative) as that 'useless townie' is causing confusion and therefore aiding scum agenda.
At leasts thats my understanding, any vets wish to confirm/deny/shove my head in dung for being stupid?
PS: this ones just for you layabout: + Show Spoiler +
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Note: I don't by any means think that sinani or puplhz are useless, just that if Palmar had reason to believe that, his decision to lynch/shoot them could be justified.
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On February 14 2012 00:43 froggynoddy wrote:Show nested quote +Also I don´t understand why Palmar wants sinani206 and prplhz killed. I can´t see this helping town in any way. A town player (even a useless one) at least counts as townie. So why should we kill someone, if we don´t gain anything?
From my reading of other games its worthwhile, particularly at this relatively random stage of early game, to get rid of anyone harming toen, confrimed scum or not (unless obv there is a better/scumier alternative) as that 'useless townie' is causing confusion and therefore aiding scum agenda. At leasts thats my understanding, any vets wish to confirm/deny/shove my head in dung for being stupid? PS: this ones just for you layabout: + Show Spoiler +
soft defense of palmar, yall scum buddies?
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Blazinghand
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On February 14 2012 00:43 froggynoddy wrote:Show nested quote +Also I don´t understand why Palmar wants sinani206 and prplhz killed. I can´t see this helping town in any way. A town player (even a useless one) at least counts as townie. So why should we kill someone, if we don´t gain anything?
From my reading of other games its worthwhile, particularly at this relatively random stage of early game, to get rid of anyone harming toen, confrimed scum or not (unless obv there is a better/scumier alternative) as that 'useless townie' is causing confusion and therefore aiding scum agenda. At leasts thats my understanding, any vets wish to confirm/deny/shove my head in dung for being stupid?
There's also the fact that if someone's legitimately not posting or PMing, it's hard to pin them down / get reads on them right? So if we can lynch a hard-to-read townie or scum player, we enter D2 with substantially less confusion. If someone has a solid and traceable voting/posting history you can get some serious talking going on.
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On February 14 2012 00:46 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 00:43 froggynoddy wrote:Also I don´t understand why Palmar wants sinani206 and prplhz killed. I can´t see this helping town in any way. A town player (even a useless one) at least counts as townie. So why should we kill someone, if we don´t gain anything?
From my reading of other games its worthwhile, particularly at this relatively random stage of early game, to get rid of anyone harming toen, confrimed scum or not (unless obv there is a better/scumier alternative) as that 'useless townie' is causing confusion and therefore aiding scum agenda. At leasts thats my understanding, any vets wish to confirm/deny/shove my head in dung for being stupid? PS: this ones just for you layabout: + Show Spoiler + soft defense of palmar, yall scum buddies?
No, just reasoning out the potential justification for town to lynch disruptive/chaos inducing posters. as my second post suggests I don't see any evidence to justify Palmar's conclusion. Though I find Palmar's talk of killing players so early (particularly at night) quite odd I don't know if that has any bearing on his alignment. I don't know, not enough has been said yet, but we still have plenty of time till we get voting.
Once I get home though I wanna check Palmar and BH's previous games as they both have been acting quite aggressive.
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Blazinghand
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On February 14 2012 00:54 froggynoddy wrote:
Once I get home though I wanna check Palmar and BH's previous games as they both have been acting quite aggressive.
LOLLLLLLLLLLLL
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Blazinghand
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why do you care though Blazinghand? You reacted similarly in a skype conversation. Why are you so concerned with making sure everyone knows you're playing to your meta?
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Thank you that is more useful than LOLLLLLL. TBH I'm only doing this to practice information gathering and analysis, I think there's no evidence to make any kind of read atm.
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anddddd the first player with a 2 page filter isssssssssss.....
On February 09 2012 01:52 Blazinghand wrote:
Just as a pre-emptive meta note, I'm deliberately going to work on not spamming this game. I'm still going to be highly active, but having 30 pages of filter in a 150 page game with 18 players is not gonna happen this time around. I consider this important to improving my game. So if someone's like "Blazinghand isn't spamming, he must be scum" I want you to bear in mind that I'm not spamming either way this game.
*everyone breathes a sigh of relief*
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EBWOP
fuck im wrong prob beat you to it.
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A reminder to all players with possible night actions and to the scum to send in their night orders. You have 11 hours and 50 minutes to send them in.
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Blazinghand
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On February 14 2012 01:06 Palmar wrote:
why do you care though Blazinghand? You reacted similarly in a skype conversation. Why are you so concerned with making sure everyone knows you're playing to your meta?
#1 goal of a townie is to not get mislynched right
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Blazinghand
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On February 14 2012 01:11 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 01:06 Palmar wrote:
why do you care though Blazinghand? You reacted similarly in a skype conversation. Why are you so concerned with making sure everyone knows you're playing to your meta? #1 goal of a townie is to not get mislynched right
Actually, I guess the #1 goal of a townie is to be so helpful he's immediately shot. but not getting mislynched is like the #1 secondary goal
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I suspect prplhz has PMed some of you asking for your role... so who was asked by him? And who answered?
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Once again, to reiterate, a reminder to all players with possible night actions and to the scum to send in their night orders. You have 9 hours and 19 minutes to send them in.
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On February 14 2012 00:43 froggynoddy wrote:Show nested quote +Also I don´t understand why Palmar wants sinani206 and prplhz killed. I can´t see this helping town in any way. A town player (even a useless one) at least counts as townie. So why should we kill someone, if we don´t gain anything?
From my reading of other games its worthwhile, particularly at this relatively random stage of early game, to get rid of anyone harming toen, confrimed scum or not (unless obv there is a better/scumier alternative) as that 'useless townie' is causing confusion and therefore aiding scum agenda. At leasts thats my understanding, any vets wish to confirm/deny/shove my head in dung for being stupid? [...]
Which of those categories do I belong to?
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On February 14 2012 03:11 SpiritClown wrote:
I suspect prplhz has PMed some of you asking for your role... so who was asked by him? And who answered?
If I remember correctly, he asked me in IRC and I didn't answer. I don't really see a need to reveal my role night zero/one/whatever we're calling it.
Why do you suspect that? Because he asked you?
I personally don't see why it's a huge deal. Saying "No." isn't hard.
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Scum, please hit me tonight.
Pretty please?
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Blazinghand
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On February 14 2012 04:04 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Scum, please hit me tonight.
Pretty please?
another helpful analysis post from rgTS. what would we do without you
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On February 14 2012 03:57 Lanaia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 03:11 SpiritClown wrote:
I suspect prplhz has PMed some of you asking for your role... so who was asked by him? And who answered? If I remember correctly, he asked me in IRC and I didn't answer. I don't really see a need to reveal my role night zero/one/whatever we're calling it. Why do you suspect that? Because he asked you? I personally don't see why it's a huge deal. Saying "No." isn't hard.
I'm not suspecting... i just wondered if he sent that to everyone or if he sent it only to some ppl (the newbies)
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On February 14 2012 03:47 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 00:43 froggynoddy wrote:Also I don´t understand why Palmar wants sinani206 and prplhz killed. I can´t see this helping town in any way. A town player (even a useless one) at least counts as townie. So why should we kill someone, if we don´t gain anything?
From my reading of other games its worthwhile, particularly at this relatively random stage of early game, to get rid of anyone harming toen, confrimed scum or not (unless obv there is a better/scumier alternative) as that 'useless townie' is causing confusion and therefore aiding scum agenda. At leasts thats my understanding, any vets wish to confirm/deny/shove my head in dung for being stupid? [...] Which of those categories do I belong to?
IMO: probably none.
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Prplhz is scum.
Grackaroni is scum.
Mattchew is anti-town.
Froggynoddy is pro-town.
layabout is pro-town.
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I agree with pretty much everything paperscraps just wrote. Froggy and layabout are very towny. In addition I think paper himself is kinda towny.
If I die tonight, you need to hang the fuck out of prplhz.
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Blazinghand
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<Lanaia> true.
<Lanaia> what time is the deadline
<Lanaia> 7ish hours?
<Lanaia> I agree with your latest post, however.
<Lanaia> now that i've reread all five of them
<Mattchew> so how have i been anti town
<Lanaia> who are you asking
<Mattchew> well now you and paperscraps
<Lanaia> you have a ton of oneliners
<Lanaia> that don't contribute
<Lanaia> they don't contribute ANYTHING to the thread.
<Mattchew> i do all my talking in irc
<Lanaia> you can't straight up ignore the thread though.
<Mattchew> for the most part
<Lanaia> literally every post is kind of irrelevant to the game at hand.
<Lanaia> the majority of the game should still be in the thread.
<Lanaia> I appreciate that you're here, several people I've heard nothing from, but this stuff should be used as a tool.
<Mattchew> actually
<Lanaia> It shouldn't be the entirety of it.
<Mattchew> i think my posts have been decently relevant consider the void of any discussion in thread
<Lanaia> i'll talk when I get back. need to shower and stuff.
* Lanaia has quit (Quit)
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Blazinghand
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Things Mattchew has been doing in irc: nothing useful at all, asking people "which three people would you lynch" without really doing any analysis. Things he could have been doing: posting or doing anything in the thread, basically being a good guy. Also, his question is inherently flawed ANYWAYS but it still would be nice to see some content from him. btw I take it all back everyone needs to get IRC it is way better than skype
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If we were to multi lynch tomorrow I would suggest the lynching of 2 (or all 3) of these
prplhz, sinani206 and [UoN]Sentinel.
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Blazinghand
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if we were to multi lynch tomorrow I would actually do some analysis, question people, and use PMs, and try to make judgements. I don't think the way your question is posed is legitimate.
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Its a 2 part question designed to generate discussion as it did when you said you'd lynch Palmar if he survived. I forgot the last time generating discussion to form analysis from was scummy
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Blazinghand
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On February 14 2012 05:16 Mattchew wrote:
Its a 2 part question designed to generate discussion as it did when you said you'd lynch Palmar if he survived. I forgot the last time generating discussion to form analysis from was scummy
Yes that is an accurate representation of my views and you have been nothing but helpful
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Blazinghand
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On February 14 2012 05:22 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 05:16 Mattchew wrote:
Its a 2 part question designed to generate discussion as it did when you said you'd lynch Palmar if he survived. I forgot the last time generating discussion to form analysis from was scummy Yes that is an accurate representation of my views and you have been nothing but helpful
EBWOP: oh, no, wait, once again, just like in the IRC, it seems you didn't actually read my reply to your question! huh. weird. I do think generating discussion to form analysis is good, so it would be sweet if you could do that instead of whatever it is you think you're doing
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prplhz
I find his posts to be bland on the side of scummy.
Here is how you say literally nothing in 5 out of 7 posts. Compare this to town prplhz in previous games, it is very different.
+ Show Spoiler +On February 14 2012 03:47 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 00:43 froggynoddy wrote:Also I don´t understand why Palmar wants sinani206 and prplhz killed. I can´t see this helping town in any way. A town player (even a useless one) at least counts as townie. So why should we kill someone, if we don´t gain anything?
From my reading of other games its worthwhile, particularly at this relatively random stage of early game, to get rid of anyone harming toen, confrimed scum or not (unless obv there is a better/scumier alternative) as that 'useless townie' is causing confusion and therefore aiding scum agenda. At leasts thats my understanding, any vets wish to confirm/deny/shove my head in dung for being stupid? [...] Which of those categories do I belong to? On February 13 2012 22:41 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 14:00 Blazinghand wrote:
Oh uh if you're gonna be in like multiple channels, how do you stop someone from /whois ing you and like finding what other channels you're in? Can this be done with the webIRC client? Um... wow the only thing I have to say here is that you're literally retarded. Like, you rode the short bus to school and there are special classes for you. But that's okay! I don't discriminate. .................... anyway, if you're on a channel and you're OP then you can use: /mode #channelname +s to make the channel secret, it will not show up on /whois for anybody who isn't also on that same channel with you. This does not stay if there is a period when nobody on the channel so make sure you set it again if you're the first one in there again later. Didn't you say you were not going to act this way in this game? What made you decide to act this way anyway?
Crusading forumer (vigilante) shouldn't shoot tonight if that wasn't obvious. On February 13 2012 12:09 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 09:58 Probulous wrote:On February 13 2012 09:51 prplhz wrote:
Stop discussing that. It doesn't say anything about Palmar's alignment. Aaah, you're a pretty queen now I was just clarifying exactly that point. Palmar just got it wrong. He says so in irc and clearly the phag man didn't read it. What do you want to discuss? I asked you about the trait thing but you don't want to talk about that. Holy fuck I'm a queen that's maybe even cooler than a lurker!!! : I'm like Forumite and Foolishness now On February 13 2012 08:52 prplhz wrote:
How should I know?
I didn't talk to him so I have no idea what all this fuss is about. Maybe you guys could post those IRC logs and everybody else could have a look? On February 13 2012 08:35 prplhz wrote:A scumdar that works 50% of the time isn't "clearly off" when there aren't 50% scum in the game.
also
On February 13 2012 02:55 prplhz wrote:
Anyway, protective roles on Palmar since he's the only reliable and vocal scum hunter on the player list.
This shouldn't need to be said. Also, this is planting the seeds for directing blues in the future.
Coupled with his role fishing out of thread, I believe prplhz is scum.
Sinani206
2 games ago
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690&user=128360
ACTIVE
Outcome = Veteran: sinani206
last game
On February 02 2012 15:27 sinani206 wrote:
hi guys; just saw my role pm going to bed now, gnight
outcome = Sinani206, Issisus the Pustulent, a Chaos Plaguebearer has been cast into the warp!
This game
On February 13 2012 10:29 sinani206 wrote:
why do i always check tl an hour before the game starts and then not until 10 hours later...
going out to dinner now so be back in a few hours
(its almost been 24 hours since this post I believe, and still nothing)
outcome = ??
prplhz is my strongest scumread
Sinani206 and [UoN]Sentinel have to start contributing. This is my FOS pressure on them to get them to crawl out and start participating. If they stay silent I believe they are good lynch candidates.
Some reads on townies
Layabout, provoked good discussion with talks of his plan.
Blazinghand, posts fearlessly and aggressively as if he has nothing to hide
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Mattchew are you aware that activity by itself is not indicative of alignment?
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On February 14 2012 04:07 SpiritClown wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 03:57 Lanaia wrote:On February 14 2012 03:11 SpiritClown wrote:
I suspect prplhz has PMed some of you asking for your role... so who was asked by him? And who answered? If I remember correctly, he asked me in IRC and I didn't answer. I don't really see a need to reveal my role night zero/one/whatever we're calling it. Why do you suspect that? Because he asked you? I personally don't see why it's a huge deal. Saying "No." isn't hard. I'm not suspecting... i just wondered if he sent that to everyone or if he sent it only to some ppl (the newbies)
Ok this is really odd. Why would he be asking people for their roles this early in the game? He doesn't know if they are scum or not and they sure as hell don't know if he is mafia. Spirit, can you post the PM in here. I want to know what Prpl is up to. I especially don't like the idea of him targeting newbs because I have not received anything and it seems neither has Lanaia.
Besides this whilst he has a page of posts they collectively say nothing. He stated before game
On February 11 2012 06:45 prplhz wrote:
I'm going to play exactly like I usually do.
If I deviate in any way I should be summarily lynched.
Compare this play to his previous game Click me where he shot nisani206 night one and was actively leading town.
So SpiritClown, please post that PM. Anyone else who received a PM from prpl asking for their role post it too.
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On February 14 2012 06:29 layabout wrote:
Mattchew are you aware that activity by itself is not indicative of alignment?
On February 14 2012 06:26 Mattchew wrote:
Sinani206 and [UoN]Sentinel have to start contributing. This is my FOS pressure on them to get them to crawl out and start participating. If they stay silent I believe they are good lynch candidates.
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EBWOP: Seems he asked Lanaia in IRC.
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The "famous" PM
Original Message From prplhz:
Hi
What is your alignment and role?
Best regards
My first answer
Original Message From SpiritClown:
I know I'm new but I'm not so stupid to tell u my alignment and role like this.
Try with someone else mate.
glhf
His Answer to this
Original Message From prplhz:
You don't even want to tell me your alignment? That would be rather harmless if you were town but you tell me specifically that you do not want to tell me your alignment. Everybody else told me their alignment.
This sounds like you have something to hide regarding your alignment. Townies don't have anything to hide regarding their alignment.
I think you're scum.
Have a nice day.
My final answer
Believe what u prefer. Telling my alingnment and trait to someone over a pm it's silly.
Take your own conclusion on this
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For me this thread starts just here.
Mattchew, despite the obvious focus on prplhz, which btw everyone will be one him once incriminationg data is posted, you dont give anything new.
Also, look at how he towns Blazinghand, although Blazin has stated that he has been spammy as both scum and town.
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On February 14 2012 06:40 rgTheSchworz wrote:
For me this thread starts just here.
Mattchew, despite the obvious focus on prplhz, which btw everyone will be one him once incriminationg data is posted, you dont give anything new.
Also, look at how he towns Blazinghand, although Blazin has stated that he has been spammy as both scum and town.
its not the quantity its the tone of bh's posts I am refering to.
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On February 13 2012 09:36 Bluelightz wrote:
Also, on irc im Bluelightz, but sometimes might derp around and might be Mr_Blue or Mr_Lightz
Blue, you want to participate in this game? I can't find anything from you on irc and you have posted zip in here. Who are your reads excluding prpl? Last game you were posting left right and centre on day 1 Click me. You voted and unvoted and voted and unvoted and just posted shitloads. Why not this game?
FOS Bluelightz
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Blazinghand
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On February 14 2012 06:40 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Also, look at how he towns Blazinghand, although Blazin has stated that he has been spammy as both scum and town.
Link me to any game where I've been spammy as scum, or any statement where I've stated that I have played a scum game in which I am spammy.
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Spammy scum who dont post content don t make sense.
At least if they re intelligent.
They get caught so easily.
So I believe that you made an overstatement towning BH
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Blazinghand
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You have dodged my request
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Thanks Spirit, seems odd he got mad when you refused to respond. Surely most people did that?
Anyone else get one?
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The logs of his asking me are here. He kinda just dropped it.
All in one place:
[18:53] <derpladee> r u scum?
[18:53] <Lanaia> no sir
[18:54] <derpladee> r u sure?
[18:54] <Lanaia> yes
[18:54] <Lanaia> god, homework sucks
[18:58] <derpladee> yea
[18:58] <derpladee> and parents just don't understand
[18:59] <Lanaia> lol
[19:02] <derpladee> you have any thoughts on the game?
[19:02] <derpladee> what is your role?
[19:02] <derpladee> you can PM it
[19:02] <derpladee> because i don't want everybody else to know
[19:02] <Lanaia> I don't want anyone to know yet. could be dangerous, you know
[19:02] <Mattchew> lol really prp?
[19:03] <derpladee> you can too Mattchew
[19:03] <derpladee> i'm building a collection
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Blazinghand
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1245 <Blazinghand> why do you want to get shot so bad
1314 <rgTheSchworz> Hello
1314 <rgTheSchworz> you here?
1344 <Blazinghand> yo
1345 <rgTheSchworz> yo
1345 <rgTheSchworz> sup, you scum?
1346 <rgTheSchworz> cuz I sure am
<rgTheSchworz> yep, guys you heard it
<Blazinghand> I see no reason to interact with this guy
<Blazinghand> all he's doing is trolling
<rgTheSchworz> I am scum
<rgTheSchworz> I see you dont want to respond
<Blazinghand> are you claiming scum?
<rgTheSchworz> and you havent responded despite you having PM ed me First
<Blazinghand> are you claiming scum?
<rgTheSchworz> yes man, i m scum lynch me
<Blazinghand> then I have no reason to interact with you.
<Blazinghand> you are either trolling or scum.
<rgTheSchworz> lol
<rgTheSchworz> you are either town or scum
<rgTheSchworz> ,,hmm, nice analysis
<Lanaia> you're a genius.
<rgTheSchworz> That s basically what he said
<rgTheSchworz> Trolling means town
<Blazinghand> no, trolling means worthless
<Blazinghand> either way i have no reason to interact with you and answer your questions
<rgTheSchworz> So, bad town
<Blazinghand> you are not a valuable town player; you are either worthless or scum
<Lanaia> worthless either way
<Blazinghand> there is no possibility I will gain anything from interacting with you
ಠ_ಠ
rgTS is basically just trolling it up. There's no reason to interact with him as he is either worthless town or scum
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On February 14 2012 06:45 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 09:36 Bluelightz wrote:
Also, on irc im Bluelightz, but sometimes might derp around and might be Mr_Blue or Mr_Lightz Blue, you want to participate in this game? I can't find anything from you on irc and you have posted zip in here. Who are your reads excluding prpl? Last game you were posting left right and centre on day 1 Click me. You voted and unvoted and voted and unvoted and just posted shitloads. Why not this game? FOS Bluelightz
Ok it seems the search wasn't picking up him correctly, I used "blue' instead of "Blue". Reading logs now. God damn IRC is a bitch to read.
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Ok Blue is frustratingly null to me again. Onto other lurkers...
Mr Not A Smurf, AKA zeurg, where you at brother?
This
[10:14] <Mattchew> how long has zeurg been here [10:14] <UpHomework> no idea [10:14] <Probulous> Now that IS an insight. *claps loudly* [10:14] <zeurg> I missed a yesterday so I've been catching up on reading and stuff [10:15] <zeurg> Completely forgot about this [10:15] <Mattchew> zeurg you scum? [10:15] <zeurg> no im a townie [10:15] <zeurg> fo sho
is not enough to redeem you for lurking. I expect and answer to my question
[10:19] <Probulous> Since you haven't posted anything at all, what are your reads, feelings, gut instincts, tea leaves saying to you?
Come on son, I know it is your first game but just gives answer this. I won't bite, or at least not too hard.
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Dude, I'm sleeping. Getting on irc.
Anyway I do n't have any scum reads but my town reads are
Palmar
Paperscraps
Layabout
Grackaroni
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Dude, I was sleeping. Getting on irc.
Anyway I do n't have any scum reads but my town reads are
Palmar
Paperscraps
Layabout
Grackaroni
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Okay I'm going to respond to the case that's been presented in this thread. If there are other reasons you think that I'm scum that you didn't present in this thread then you should present them.
On February 14 2012 06:26 Mattchew wrote:prplhzI find his posts to be bland on the side of scummy. Here is how you say literally nothing in 5 out of 7 posts. 1 Compare this to town prplhz in previous games, it is very different. 2+ Show Spoiler +On February 14 2012 03:47 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 00:43 froggynoddy wrote:Also I don´t understand why Palmar wants sinani206 and prplhz killed. I can´t see this helping town in any way. A town player (even a useless one) at least counts as townie. So why should we kill someone, if we don´t gain anything?
From my reading of other games its worthwhile, particularly at this relatively random stage of early game, to get rid of anyone harming toen, confrimed scum or not (unless obv there is a better/scumier alternative) as that 'useless townie' is causing confusion and therefore aiding scum agenda. At leasts thats my understanding, any vets wish to confirm/deny/shove my head in dung for being stupid? [...] Which of those categories do I belong to? On February 13 2012 22:41 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 14:00 Blazinghand wrote:
Oh uh if you're gonna be in like multiple channels, how do you stop someone from /whois ing you and like finding what other channels you're in? Can this be done with the webIRC client? Um... wow the only thing I have to say here is that you're literally retarded. Like, you rode the short bus to school and there are special classes for you. But that's okay! I don't discriminate. .................... anyway, if you're on a channel and you're OP then you can use: /mode #channelname +s to make the channel secret, it will not show up on /whois for anybody who isn't also on that same channel with you. This does not stay if there is a period when nobody on the channel so make sure you set it again if you're the first one in there again later. Didn't you say you were not going to act this way in this game? What made you decide to act this way anyway?
Crusading forumer (vigilante) shouldn't shoot tonight if that wasn't obvious. On February 13 2012 12:09 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 09:58 Probulous wrote:On February 13 2012 09:51 prplhz wrote:
Stop discussing that. It doesn't say anything about Palmar's alignment. Aaah, you're a pretty queen now I was just clarifying exactly that point. Palmar just got it wrong. He says so in irc and clearly the phag man didn't read it. What do you want to discuss? I asked you about the trait thing but you don't want to talk about that. Holy fuck I'm a queen that's maybe even cooler than a lurker!!! : I'm like Forumite and Foolishness now On February 13 2012 08:52 prplhz wrote:
How should I know?
I didn't talk to him so I have no idea what all this fuss is about. Maybe you guys could post those IRC logs and everybody else could have a look? On February 13 2012 08:35 prplhz wrote:A scumdar that works 50% of the time isn't "clearly off" when there aren't 50% scum in the game. also Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 02:55 prplhz wrote:
Anyway, protective roles on Palmar since he's the only reliable and vocal scum hunter on the player list.
This shouldn't need to be said. Also, this is planting the seeds for directing blues in the future. 3Coupled with his role fishing out of thread 4, I believe prplhz is scum.
1: How did I say "literally nothing"?
List of things I've said in my posts:
- Asked froggynoddy to rate me as either useless townie, disruptive townie, or scum. Since he implied that I was one I was very curious what category I was in. Is this saying literally nothing or is this forcing content?
- I give my opinion on Grackaroni. Is this saying literally nothing?
- I told Blazinghand how to make an IRC channel secret. I'm not a big fan of IRC scamming and anything like that that goes against the spirit of the game, look in the Model OP thread where I push for rules on this. This is alignment independent. Would I have been more townie if I didn't write that little guide? I'm saying that vigilante shouldn't shoot tonight, is that saying literally nothing?
- I wrote a nonsense post last time my icon changed too. I link those posts in my profile for the lulz. I'm quite sure this is alignment independent.
- I post a picture of what appears to be a weird WWI pigeon bus, with a man who looks a bit like John J. Pershing standing in front of it with a cane. How is this saying literally nothing?
I'm not sure you want to use the word "literally" here, and also, I'm actually saying stuff.
2: You invoke meta when you say that people should compare this with my town games. If you are not invoking meta on me then I'm clearly not the one who has said the least so far and your first argument is totally invalid (which it is anyway). First of all, invoking meta on night0, like 24 hours into the game is pretty silly by itself but alright. Second, you are not actually comparing this to other games, you are just implying that there is a difference without showing it. Is this is a case of "guilty until proven otherwise"? It's a bit early in the game for that.
I started this game out a bit slow because it's night0 and there's plenty of time to go until lynch deadline. I still joked around like I usually do but instead of semi-RNG voting (I've done that for like the past 2 games (I think?), but I can't do that this game because it's night0 start) I posted a picture with a one liner (pictures are usually reserved for huge cases or campaigns).
I can't really retort to the meta accusation in any way before you elaborate on it, compare my play with my old town games and my old scum games and see if you can find anything that points in one direction or the other. I encourage everybody else who is seriously considering the possibility that I'm scum to do this as well.
3: We talked about this on IRC and Skype. Here are the logs:
+ Show Spoiler [IRC Log] +For time reference, this was about 4 hours ago.
--- Log opened Mon Feb 13 19:57:17 2012
19:57:17-!- Irssi: Starting query in QuakeNet with Mattchew_
19:57:17<Mattchew_> i dont talk to scum
19:57:21<Mattchew_> to answer your question before
19:58:51<derpladee> lol dude
19:58:53<derpladee> i don't get phased by that
--- Log closed Mon Feb 13 19:59:16 2012
--- Log opened Mon Feb 13 19:59:52 2012
19:59:52-!- Irssi: Starting query in QuakeNet with Mattchew_
19:59:52<Mattchew_> why you blue hunting
20:00:25<derpladee> you'll have to clarify that, when did i blue hunt and how?
20:01:37<Mattchew_> you role fishing excuse me
20:01:53<Mattchew_> i think i am switching the words fish and hunt
20:01:54<Mattchew_> lol
20:02:10<derpladee> you're worried about stupid words? you have an opinion why are you afraid of it?
20:02:24<derpladee> when and how did i blue hunt/fish/whateverwordyouseemtolikeatthismoment?
20:03:25<derpladee> you seem to be throwing an accusation at me and then when i ask you to clarify you're just going away
20:03:46<Mattchew_> im asking you why are you doing that
20:04:06<Mattchew_> i have never seen any town people do that
20:04:11<derpladee> i'm asking you when and how i did that
20:04:15<derpladee> let me turn this around
20:04:20<derpladee> why are YOU blue hunting?
20:04:33<derpladee> you're not so you'll ask me "when and how did i do this?" and i can't answer because you didn't
20:04:37<derpladee> now lets turn it around again
20:04:42<Mattchew_> Sure. I have not asked a single person for their role
20:04:43<derpladee> you're asking me why i blue hunt and i'm asking you when and how
20:04:49<derpladee> okay
20:04:52<derpladee> so i asked somebody for their role
20:04:55<derpladee> is that the accusation?
20:05:06<Mattchew_> I am wondering why you are doing this
20:05:17<derpladee> lol
20:05:21<derpladee> because i want to know people's role
20:05:28<Mattchew_> directing blues and trying to find them is scummy
20:05:47<derpladee> when and how did i direct blues?
20:06:17<Mattchew_> thats an assumption
20:06:24<derpladee> so you're assuming that i directed blues
20:06:30<derpladee> and then i asked at least 1 person for his/her role
20:06:32<Mattchew_> based off if someone told you their role you'd want to direct them
20:06:33<derpladee> and now you want me dead
20:06:39<derpladee> is that it?
20:06:42<derpladee> did i get this right?
20:07:08<Mattchew_> why are you so nervous
20:07:12<derpladee> i actually did direct blues in the thread when i told all medics/jailers to be on palmar tonight but apparently you don't care about that
20:07:14<derpladee> i'm not nervous lol
20:07:14<Mattchew_> about me getting you killed
20:07:20<derpladee> you're not getting me killed
20:07:26<derpladee> i'm preventing that
20:07:29<derpladee> it's plurailty lynch
20:07:38<derpladee> and i don't want a noob conjuring up a shitstorm because he doesn't know better
20:07:40<derpladee> and then people voting me
20:07:53<derpladee> your accusations are pretty shabby as we've just established through this conversation
20:09:07<derpladee> i think the amount of text and how little i hesitated at any point during this conversation shows how i'm not nervous at all
20:09:16<derpladee> the opposite applies to you more
20:09:18<derpladee> but that's okay
20:09:35<derpladee> for now
--- Log closed Mon Feb 13 20:11:04 2012
+ Show Spoiler [Skype log] +Monday, February 13, 2012
[8:09:49 PM] Matt Kaplan: my irc is fucking up
[8:14:36 PM] Captain Spectacular: okay
[8:14:45 PM] Matt Kaplan: i am at work
[8:14:52 PM] Matt Kaplan: and my work internets is mad complex
[8:14:57 PM] Captain Spectacular: okay
[8:14:57 PM] Matt Kaplan: and i am a newb to computers
[8:15:00 PM] Matt Kaplan: so anyway
[8:15:38 PM] Matt Kaplan: where did i stop responding
[8:15:42 PM] Captain Spectacular: no idea
[8:15:49 PM] Captain Spectacular: i think we were done after your last response
[8:15:59 PM] Captain Spectacular: i wanted you to clarify why you wanted me dead
[8:16:05 PM] Captain Spectacular: so that i could tell you that none of that was scummy
[8:16:44 PM] Matt Kaplan: who would you like to lynch
[8:16:52 PM] Captain Spectacular: that's not what we're talking about
[8:16:58 PM] Captain Spectacular: we're talking about you wanted to lynch me
[8:17:00 PM] Captain Spectacular: i have a problem with that
[8:17:11 PM] Captain Spectacular: and you can't explain to me why you want to lynch me
[8:17:52 PM] Matt Kaplan: I think that anything involving the asking for roles is scummy
[8:17:58 PM] Captain Spectacular: can you tell me why?
[8:18:00 PM] Matt Kaplan: i dont like that palmar did it either
[8:18:11 PM] Captain Spectacular: okay so it's just something you have decided to think but there's not much reason behind it?
[8:18:16 PM] Captain Spectacular: why would i do this as scum but not as town?
[8:18:19 PM] Captain Spectacular: that's really the question
[8:18:26 PM] Captain Spectacular: it doesn't matter if scum would do something, if town would also do it
[8:18:28 PM] Matt Kaplan: to find out which people you want to ikill
[8:18:45 PM] Captain Spectacular: also
[8:19:02 PM] Captain Spectacular: you are basing this off of what, spiritwolf whining in the thread and how i asked lanaia casually on public irc?
[8:19:07 PM] Captain Spectacular: do you think anybody answered at any point?
[8:19:12 PM] Captain Spectacular: this was an ice breaker to get to talk to people
[8:19:21 PM] Captain Spectacular: if they wanted to claim that was just cool
[8:19:28 PM] Captain Spectacular: i can clearly use that
[8:19:48 PM] Captain Spectacular: and then i'm directing blues
[8:19:51 PM] Captain Spectacular: or at least you assume so
[8:19:57 PM] Captain Spectacular: so you want to kill me off of an assumption?
[8:20:07 PM] Captain Spectacular: and you didn't read the thread apparently, where i actually pretty straight forwardly direct blues
[8:20:13 PM] Captain Spectacular: when i tell medics and jailers to all protect palmar tonight
[8:20:21 PM] Captain Spectacular: was that scummy too?
[8:20:34 PM] Matt Kaplan: yes
[8:20:38 PM] Matt Kaplan: imo
[8:20:41 PM] Captain Spectacular: okay
[8:20:42 PM] Captain Spectacular: it wasn't
[8:21:01 PM] Captain Spectacular: tons of new people here and palmar is best scum hunter
[8:21:09 PM] Captain Spectacular: wouldn't you agree?
[8:21:22 PM] Matt Kaplan: i don't think they need to be told this
[8:21:23 PM] Captain Spectacular: wouldn't it be fucking terrible if palmar flips town tomorrow because nobody knew to proteect him?
[8:21:32 PM] Captain Spectacular: alright, i think there's absolutely no harm done in telling them
[8:21:35 PM] Captain Spectacular: maybe it will even help us
[8:21:38 PM] Captain Spectacular: in case they had no fucking clue
[8:21:56 PM] Captain Spectacular: ultimately it's not more scummy than it's townie
[8:21:57 PM] Matt Kaplan: i hate the idea of a medic trusting anyone
[8:22:00 PM] Matt Kaplan: other than themselves
[8:22:05 PM] Captain Spectacular: you are basing all of this off of your opinions on different subjects
[8:22:16 PM] Captain Spectacular: if you go through old games of mine i'm sure you can find somewhere else where i direct blues
[8:22:25 PM] Captain Spectacular: i can even find you a town game where i direct medics onto palmar
[8:22:29 PM] Captain Spectacular: if you want to
[8:22:34 PM] Captain Spectacular: because i distinctly remember it
[8:22:46 PM] Captain Spectacular: okay
[8:22:52 PM] Captain Spectacular: i want medics to trust me more than they trust themselves
[8:23:03 PM] Matt Kaplan: lol
[8:23:17 PM] Captain Spectacular: is this a problem?
[8:23:22 PM] Matt Kaplan: if your scum
[8:23:29 PM] Matt Kaplan: its a huge problem
[8:23:51 PM] Captain Spectacular: so you want to lynch me, not because i'm scum, but because you're afraid i could be scum?
[8:24:14 PM] Matt Kaplan: I want to lynch you
[8:24:17 PM] Matt Kaplan: because
[8:24:32 PM] Matt Kaplan: of the little information on everyone we have
[8:24:33 PM] Captain Spectacular: because i wrote in public irc to lanaia "hey, what's your role?"
[8:24:38 PM] Matt Kaplan: yours is the scummiest
[8:25:15 PM] Captain Spectacular: and because you're assuming i will use that info, which i never got and which i never pushed for, to direct night hits because i'm scum?
[8:25:50 PM] Matt Kaplan: to direct your scum teams hits as well
[8:27:14 PM] Captain Spectacular: okay i'm going to go do something else for a while
[8:27:17 PM] Captain Spectacular: we can maybe talk later
[8:28:05 PM] Matt Kaplan: kkk
Excerpt from IRC Log:
20:05:28<Mattchew_> directing blues and trying to find them is scummy
20:05:47<derpladee> when and how did i direct blues?
20:06:17<Mattchew_> thats an assumption
20:06:24<derpladee> so you're assuming that i directed blues
20:06:30<derpladee> and then i asked at least 1 person for his/her role
20:06:32<Mattchew_> based off if someone told you their role you'd want to direct them
You are basing your initial "directing the blues" accusations off an assumption that I am role fishing to direct blues. This is silly but more importantly, you thought that I was scum before you even read my filter? If you thought I was directing blues, and you read my filter then you surely wouldn't have missed the post where I actually straight up direct blues. You didn't even read my god damn filter before your accusations. That's pretty shabby.
I keep asking Mattchew why directing the blues and role fishing is scummy but he cannot answer. It appears to me to be some sort of backwards logic.
Skype excerpt:
[8:23:22 PM] Matt Kaplan: if your scum
[8:23:29 PM] Matt Kaplan: its a huge problem
So it's only a problem if I'm scum? This is backwards logic at its finest; I am scum because if I am scum then my actions would be a problem to town, and that is scummy consequently making me scum. What?! Everybody should ask themselves: "If there is a medic or a vigilante or whatever in this game, would town not benefit from me knowing who they are and from me being able to direct them?". Ask yourselves: "Would town benefit from me not knowing who they are and from me not trying to direct their roles?".
4: The role fishing accusation is stupid in itself as Lanaia already pointed out. I'm pretty sure Mattchew only knew about me asking Lanaia for her role when he started complaining about how I was role fishing, and I was really just breaking the ice, but also this shows how little Mattchew was basing this case on. I was scum because I was role fishing because I casually asked Lanaia and Mattchew about their roles in public IRC. I have PM'd people on here (among them SpiritWolf) asking for their role and that was really just meant as an ice breaker, I never really bullied them and I moved on to other topics. Also, I have a PM with one of them with a timestamp from before these accusations where I tell him that the whole role fishing thing was actually just an ice breaker.
There are ridiculously many ways to attack this accusation from the lack of effort to the factual inaccuracies to the bad arguments. Overall your case is a copy of my filter, unsubstantiated night0 meta, and some backwards logic shiz you can't really explain why it's scummy other than "I think so". Since this is one of the first cases in the thread I'm not going to hold it against you but your future cases should be better and you should also try to put some effort into them
On February 14 2012 06:30 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 04:07 SpiritClown wrote:On February 14 2012 03:57 Lanaia wrote:On February 14 2012 03:11 SpiritClown wrote:
I suspect prplhz has PMed some of you asking for your role... so who was asked by him? And who answered? If I remember correctly, he asked me in IRC and I didn't answer. I don't really see a need to reveal my role night zero/one/whatever we're calling it. Why do you suspect that? Because he asked you? I personally don't see why it's a huge deal. Saying "No." isn't hard. I'm not suspecting... i just wondered if he sent that to everyone or if he sent it only to some ppl (the newbies) Ok this is really odd. Why would he be asking people for their roles this early in the game? He doesn't know if they are scum or not and they sure as hell don't know if he is mafia. Spirit, can you post the PM in here. I want to know what Prpl is up to. I especially don't like the idea of him targeting newbs because I have not received anything and it seems neither has Lanaia. Besides this whilst he has a page of posts they collectively say nothing. He stated before game Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 06:45 prplhz wrote:
I'm going to play exactly like I usually do.
If I deviate in any way I should be summarily lynched. Compare this play to his previous game Click me where he shot nisani206 night one and was actively leading town. So SpiritClown, please post that PM. Anyone else who received a PM from prpl asking for their role post it too.
Again, invoking meta on night0, and this time to a game that is still in progress. Not going to talk about it until Normal Mini Mafia I is over and you shouldn't either and it's really a bastard move to incriminate me using a game that's still in progress because I can't defend myself against your accusations even though it would be ridiculously easy. (for instance, you are complaining on night0 that I haven't shot scum on night1 yet)
I think it's a bit early for other people to post their PMs with me in the thread, but I can't really prevent them. I fail to see what good it will do for anybody though.
So this refutation turned out to be a little bigger than should have been necessary but this is plurality lynch and I also wanted to set a good example.
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On February 14 2012 09:21 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 06:30 Probulous wrote:On February 14 2012 04:07 SpiritClown wrote:On February 14 2012 03:57 Lanaia wrote:On February 14 2012 03:11 SpiritClown wrote:
I suspect prplhz has PMed some of you asking for your role... so who was asked by him? And who answered? If I remember correctly, he asked me in IRC and I didn't answer. I don't really see a need to reveal my role night zero/one/whatever we're calling it. Why do you suspect that? Because he asked you? I personally don't see why it's a huge deal. Saying "No." isn't hard. I'm not suspecting... i just wondered if he sent that to everyone or if he sent it only to some ppl (the newbies) Ok this is really odd. Why would he be asking people for their roles this early in the game? He doesn't know if they are scum or not and they sure as hell don't know if he is mafia. Spirit, can you post the PM in here. I want to know what Prpl is up to. I especially don't like the idea of him targeting newbs because I have not received anything and it seems neither has Lanaia. Besides this whilst he has a page of posts they collectively say nothing. He stated before game On February 11 2012 06:45 prplhz wrote:
I'm going to play exactly like I usually do.
If I deviate in any way I should be summarily lynched. Compare this play to his previous game Click me where he shot nisani206 night one and was actively leading town. So SpiritClown, please post that PM. Anyone else who received a PM from prpl asking for their role post it too. Again, invoking meta on night0, and this time to a game that is still in progress. Not going to talk about it until Normal Mini Mafia I is over and you shouldn't either and it's really a bastard move to incriminate me using a game that's still in progress because I can't defend myself against your accusations even though it would be ridiculously easy. (for instance, you are complaining on night0 that I haven't shot scum on night1 yet) I think it's a bit early for other people to post their PMs with me in the thread, but I can't really prevent them. I fail to see what good it will do for anybody though.
You are right about the meta stuff for an ongoing game. I apologise, I had not thought of it that way.
However, my point was that sinani was clearly not participating in that game and he isn't here. Yet you have not pushed him for it. You even mentioned in that game that he was playing so differently to his normal game that he was obvious scum. Do you believe differently this game?
The reason I wanted people to post their PM was so I could see whether you are targeting the newbies. That is a scummy as hell thing to do. Can you provide a list of those you PM'd?
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Damn guys... I've been busy. Give me a break.
I'll get on IRC once I finish my homework. About 30 minutes or so.
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scratch my latest reads on grack he seems scummy
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On February 14 2012 09:28 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 09:21 prplhz wrote:On February 14 2012 06:30 Probulous wrote:On February 14 2012 04:07 SpiritClown wrote:On February 14 2012 03:57 Lanaia wrote:On February 14 2012 03:11 SpiritClown wrote:
I suspect prplhz has PMed some of you asking for your role... so who was asked by him? And who answered? If I remember correctly, he asked me in IRC and I didn't answer. I don't really see a need to reveal my role night zero/one/whatever we're calling it. Why do you suspect that? Because he asked you? I personally don't see why it's a huge deal. Saying "No." isn't hard. I'm not suspecting... i just wondered if he sent that to everyone or if he sent it only to some ppl (the newbies) Ok this is really odd. Why would he be asking people for their roles this early in the game? He doesn't know if they are scum or not and they sure as hell don't know if he is mafia. Spirit, can you post the PM in here. I want to know what Prpl is up to. I especially don't like the idea of him targeting newbs because I have not received anything and it seems neither has Lanaia. Besides this whilst he has a page of posts they collectively say nothing. He stated before game On February 11 2012 06:45 prplhz wrote:
I'm going to play exactly like I usually do.
If I deviate in any way I should be summarily lynched. Compare this play to his previous game Click me where he shot nisani206 night one and was actively leading town. So SpiritClown, please post that PM. Anyone else who received a PM from prpl asking for their role post it too. Again, invoking meta on night0, and this time to a game that is still in progress. Not going to talk about it until Normal Mini Mafia I is over and you shouldn't either and it's really a bastard move to incriminate me using a game that's still in progress because I can't defend myself against your accusations even though it would be ridiculously easy. (for instance, you are complaining on night0 that I haven't shot scum on night1 yet) I think it's a bit early for other people to post their PMs with me in the thread, but I can't really prevent them. I fail to see what good it will do for anybody though. You are right about the meta stuff for an ongoing game. I apologise, I had not thought of it that way. However, my point was that sinani was clearly not participating in that game and he isn't here. Yet you have not pushed him for it. You even mentioned in that game that he was playing so differently to his normal game that he was obvious scum. Do you believe differently this game? The reason I wanted people to post their PM was so I could see whether you are targeting the newbies. That is a scummy as hell thing to do. Can you provide a list of those you PM'd?
"Sorry for breaking rule X"
*goes on to break rule X again*
Will you god damn stop doing that?
No, not providing a list of the people I PM'd. Our communication is our own. If they want to share then I can't prevent that.
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Ok, I'll drop posting about the meta thing. You said if you play differently then you are scum. Well to me you are playing differently. That is all.
Did anyone else get PM'd by Prpl?
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On February 14 2012 09:46 Probulous wrote:
Ok, I'll drop posting about the meta thing. You said if you play differently then you are scum. Well to me you are playing differently. That is all.
Did anyone else get PM'd by Prpl?
"I'll drop the meta thing"
*goes on to use meta argument*
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"Ok, I'll drop posting about the meta thing". Why won't you tell me who else you sent PMs to? I don't get it. I haven't voted for you yet because the only evidence I have is that you PM'd SpiritClown but no-one else. That seems scummy to me but you won't post the one thing that would clear it up for me. Why not?
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Prob why do you want those PM's so bad?
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EBWOP Didn't see your post above mine.
Anyways, PM stands for <Private> Message. If prplhz wants to share, let him share, if not, bugger off.
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Because to me someone sending a PM to a guy who is playing his first game asking for his role without sending similar PM's to more experienced players is scummy as hell. It looks like he is trying to buddy up and influence the newbie.
A townie would send PM's to everyone or ask in the thread. Scum don't want to arose the suspicion of senior players so newbs are easy targets. That is why it bothers me. Now I know the evidence is thin at best which is why I am trying to find some more, no-one else is coming forward though so I have to keep believing he only sent one to SpiritClown. Well, why SpiritClown then? The only justification I can see is that he is a newb.
I am sure I am missing something but this is all I got. Help?
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On February 14 2012 06:26 Mattchew wrote:prplhzI find his posts to be bland on the side of scummy. Here is how you say literally nothing in 5 out of 7 posts. Compare this to town prplhz in previous games, it is very different. + Show Spoiler +On February 14 2012 03:47 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 00:43 froggynoddy wrote:Also I don´t understand why Palmar wants sinani206 and prplhz killed. I can´t see this helping town in any way. A town player (even a useless one) at least counts as townie. So why should we kill someone, if we don´t gain anything?
From my reading of other games its worthwhile, particularly at this relatively random stage of early game, to get rid of anyone harming toen, confrimed scum or not (unless obv there is a better/scumier alternative) as that 'useless townie' is causing confusion and therefore aiding scum agenda. At leasts thats my understanding, any vets wish to confirm/deny/shove my head in dung for being stupid? [...] Which of those categories do I belong to? On February 13 2012 22:41 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 14:00 Blazinghand wrote:
Oh uh if you're gonna be in like multiple channels, how do you stop someone from /whois ing you and like finding what other channels you're in? Can this be done with the webIRC client? Um... wow the only thing I have to say here is that you're literally retarded. Like, you rode the short bus to school and there are special classes for you. But that's okay! I don't discriminate. .................... anyway, if you're on a channel and you're OP then you can use: /mode #channelname +s to make the channel secret, it will not show up on /whois for anybody who isn't also on that same channel with you. This does not stay if there is a period when nobody on the channel so make sure you set it again if you're the first one in there again later. Didn't you say you were not going to act this way in this game? What made you decide to act this way anyway?
Crusading forumer (vigilante) shouldn't shoot tonight if that wasn't obvious. On February 13 2012 12:09 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 09:58 Probulous wrote:On February 13 2012 09:51 prplhz wrote:
Stop discussing that. It doesn't say anything about Palmar's alignment. Aaah, you're a pretty queen now I was just clarifying exactly that point. Palmar just got it wrong. He says so in irc and clearly the phag man didn't read it. What do you want to discuss? I asked you about the trait thing but you don't want to talk about that. Holy fuck I'm a queen that's maybe even cooler than a lurker!!! : I'm like Forumite and Foolishness now On February 13 2012 08:52 prplhz wrote:
How should I know?
I didn't talk to him so I have no idea what all this fuss is about. Maybe you guys could post those IRC logs and everybody else could have a look? On February 13 2012 08:35 prplhz wrote:A scumdar that works 50% of the time isn't "clearly off" when there aren't 50% scum in the game. also Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 02:55 prplhz wrote:
Anyway, protective roles on Palmar since he's the only reliable and vocal scum hunter on the player list.
This shouldn't need to be said. Also, this is planting the seeds for directing blues in the future. Coupled with his role fishing out of thread, I believe prplhz is scum. Sinani2062 games ago http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690&user=128360ACTIVEOutcome = Veteran: sinani206 last game Show nested quote +On February 02 2012 15:27 sinani206 wrote:
hi guys; just saw my role pm going to bed now, gnight outcome = Sinani206, Issisus the Pustulent, a Chaos Plaguebearer has been cast into the warp! This game Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 10:29 sinani206 wrote:
why do i always check tl an hour before the game starts and then not until 10 hours later...
going out to dinner now so be back in a few hours (its almost been 24 hours since this post I believe, and still nothing)outcome = ?? prplhz is my strongest scumread Sinani206 and [UoN]Sentinel have to start contributing. This is my FOS pressure on them to get them to crawl out and start participating. If they stay silent I believe they are good lynch candidates. Some reads on townies Layabout, provoked good discussion with talks of his plan. Blazinghand, posts fearlessly and aggressively as if he has nothing to hide
I don't find my play in NMMI to be lurking.
Skype: sinani206
AIM: sinani206
GTalk: sinani206
pretty much on those whenever im on my computer
obviously this post will be analyzed as me active lurking but theres nothing i can do about that.
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On February 14 2012 09:56 Probulous wrote:
Because to me someone sending a PM to a guy who is playing his first game asking for his role without sending similar PM's to more experienced players is scummy as hell. It looks like he is trying to buddy up and influence the newbie.
A townie would send PM's to everyone or ask in the thread. Scum don't want to arose the suspicion of senior players so newbs are easy targets. That is why it bothers me. Now I know the evidence is thin at best which is why I am trying to find some more, no-one else is coming forward though so I have to keep believing he only sent one to SpiritClown. Well, why SpiritClown then? The only justification I can see is that he is a newb.
I am sure I am missing something but this is all I got. Help?
He already admitted that he sent some to other new players in IRC.
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It's because he won't give us a straight answer regarding why he did it. He makes the claim that it was an "icebreaker", which is thoroughly unimpressive: there are a lot better ways to break the ice. In addition, he only targeted a few newbs (that we know about). Why these people? We had a nice little chat in IRC about this, feel free interpret his motives for asking as you wish.
(As a note, these IRC logs have not posted to palmar.org as of the time of writing. Hopefully, they will post soon. If not, I will have to rely on the witnesses present to defend my account of the conversation.)
+ Show Spoiler +01[19:31] <ghost_403> so who else did you pm? 01[19:32] <ghost_403> kind of curious if you had any rhyme or reason, or just picked people at random to "break the ice" 02[19:33] * froggynoddy (webchat@cpc1-lewi6-0-0-cust270.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Quit: Page closed) [19:33] <Probulous> prpl you don't say who you PM'd, just a bunch of people. Well that bothers me. The only person who has come forward was a blatant newb who luckily had the knowledge to knock you back. What is so hard about posting who sent PMs to? Even if they are just to break the ice. 01[19:34] <ghost_403> well, if he's not going to give us an answer, i suppose we can work in reverse 01[19:34] <ghost_403> prplhz did NOT send a PM to me [19:34] <Probulous> ROFL, that could take a while... [19:35] <Lanaia> doesn't matter [19:35] <Lanaia> it wasn't a bad thing he did [19:35] <Lanaia> it was a thing. [19:35] <Lanaia> just a thing 01[19:35] <ghost_403> absolutely, but things don't just happen, and mafia is a game about motives [19:36] <derpladee> lol [19:36] <Lanaia> the hell kind of motive do you think he has [19:37] <Probulous> My issue is not him asking for roles. It is him asking NEWBS for their roles. I mean this would be an easy way for mafia to persuade new guys to go along with them. Now I know that I am basing the newb thing off of one data point, that is why I asked him for the list. He won't provide it. Can you see my problem? [19:38] <Lanaia> Not entirely [19:38] <derpladee> did you even read the thread? [19:38] <derpladee> did you read what i post? [19:38] <derpladee> it's not enough to explain that something could be done by a scum [19:38] <derpladee> you have to explain why it wouldn't be done by a townie too [19:39] <Probulous> A townie would send a PM to everyone, or put it in the thread. Why did you choose him over everyone else? [19:39] <Grackaroni> You are jumping on mattchew for assuming that you wanted to direct blues but what is a good motivation besides that? shooting at them? I'm sure there are other ways to "break the ice" besides rolefishing [19:39] <derpladee> lol i'm not role fishing 01[19:39] <ghost_403> -_- [19:39] <derpladee> i was just saying [19:39] <derpladee> "what's your role?" [19:39] <Lanaia> he'd've harassed me more if he were rolefishing. [19:39] <Grackaroni> role asking? [19:39] <derpladee> and then they said "town, what do you think about X or Y?" 06[19:39] * ghost_403 facepalms [19:39] <Grackaroni> I guess thats a better description [19:39] <derpladee> and then we were on to other topics [19:40] <derpladee> the motivation is that i want to know their role, but i'm probably not getting it so i'm just asking for the lulz
Whole thing is (hopefully) available at http://www.palmar.org/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120214.log.
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On February 14 2012 09:56 Probulous wrote:
Because to me someone sending a PM to a guy who is playing his first game asking for his role without sending similar PM's to more experienced players is scummy as hell. It looks like he is trying to buddy up and influence the newbie.
A townie would send PM's to everyone or ask in the thread. Scum don't want to arose the suspicion of senior players so newbs are easy targets. That is why it bothers me. Now I know the evidence is thin at best which is why I am trying to find some more, no-one else is coming forward though so I have to keep believing he only sent one to SpiritClown. Well, why SpiritClown then? The only justification I can see is that he is a newb.
I am sure I am missing something but this is all I got. Help?
That's a shit argument.
The whole point of PM's is to gain trust. Now I just got here and I will NOT read 10 pages of argumentative text because I just did that for history class, but if I were prplhz I'd be PM'ing noobs to see if they give anything away, or they play legitimately. Experienced people can hide their true intonations.
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On February 14 2012 09:57 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 09:56 Probulous wrote:
Because to me someone sending a PM to a guy who is playing his first game asking for his role without sending similar PM's to more experienced players is scummy as hell. It looks like he is trying to buddy up and influence the newbie.
A townie would send PM's to everyone or ask in the thread. Scum don't want to arose the suspicion of senior players so newbs are easy targets. That is why it bothers me. Now I know the evidence is thin at best which is why I am trying to find some more, no-one else is coming forward though so I have to keep believing he only sent one to SpiritClown. Well, why SpiritClown then? The only justification I can see is that he is a newb.
I am sure I am missing something but this is all I got. Help? He already admitted that he sent some to other new players in IRC.
But why one in PM and others in IRC?
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@Probulous
Why don't you want to post about an argument if you think it is valid? I'm saying "Stop using meta argument because it's quite bad at this stage of the game" and you're saying "I will posting about it but I will still use it because it's a good argument". That makes no sense at all, why wouldn't you want to post about an argument that you think is good?
You didn't even read my defense did you?
What does this "evidence" point at? It is easy to say "He is very lightly role fishing at SpiritClown and this is something scum could have a motivation for doing" but you're not done with your case before you've also said "and townie wouldn't very lightly role fish at SpiritClown". And you can't say that because that isn't true.
I'm not posting in the thread who I have PM'd and who I haven't PM'd so stop asking. It's between me and them, and I hope they don't say anything either.
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*"I will not post about it"
Sorry for the mistake but you guys are getting on my nerves.
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On February 14 2012 10:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 09:56 Probulous wrote:
Because to me someone sending a PM to a guy who is playing his first game asking for his role without sending similar PM's to more experienced players is scummy as hell. It looks like he is trying to buddy up and influence the newbie.
A townie would send PM's to everyone or ask in the thread. Scum don't want to arose the suspicion of senior players so newbs are easy targets. That is why it bothers me. Now I know the evidence is thin at best which is why I am trying to find some more, no-one else is coming forward though so I have to keep believing he only sent one to SpiritClown. Well, why SpiritClown then? The only justification I can see is that he is a newb.
I am sure I am missing something but this is all I got. Help? That's a shit argument. The whole point of PM's is to gain trust. Now I just got here and I will NOT read 10 pages of argumentative text because I just did that for history class, but if I were prplhz I'd be PM'ing noobs to see if they give anything away, or they play legitimately. Experienced people can hide their true intonations.
To me that is something scum do. Why would town try and see what newbs are giving away? For mafia it makes it easier to find blues. For town you may identify a blue but more importantly you are luring them into giving away information to someone they cannot know if town. Besides mafia have friends to ensure that the newbs don't do stupid stuff. I said to Prpl in IRC that I accept his logic but still think the tactic is scummy.
Town rolefishing just makes town look suspicious for no real gain. As mentioned before, your primary goal early game should be to establish innocence and find scum. How does PM only newbs help that?
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On February 14 2012 10:02 prplhz wrote:
@Probulous
Why don't you want to post about an argument if you think it is valid? I'm saying "Stop using meta argument because it's quite bad at this stage of the game" and you're saying "I will posting about it but I will still use it because it's a good argument". That makes no sense at all, why wouldn't you want to post about an argument that you think is good?
You didn't even read my defense did you?
What does this "evidence" point at? It is easy to say "He is very lightly role fishing at SpiritClown and this is something scum could have a motivation for doing" but you're not done with your case before you've also said "and townie wouldn't very lightly role fish at SpiritClown". And you can't say that because that isn't true.
I'm not posting in the thread who I have PM'd and who I haven't PM'd so stop asking. It's between me and them, and I hope they don't say anything either.
For those not reading IRC, I went over this with Prpl in there. He is correct that the actions could be motivated by a townie so there is no real case against him by me. I still think the actions are scummy and are not worth the chaos it has caused but that doesn't make him mafia.
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On February 14 2012 10:01 sinani206 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 09:57 Grackaroni wrote:On February 14 2012 09:56 Probulous wrote:
Because to me someone sending a PM to a guy who is playing his first game asking for his role without sending similar PM's to more experienced players is scummy as hell. It looks like he is trying to buddy up and influence the newbie.
A townie would send PM's to everyone or ask in the thread. Scum don't want to arose the suspicion of senior players so newbs are easy targets. That is why it bothers me. Now I know the evidence is thin at best which is why I am trying to find some more, no-one else is coming forward though so I have to keep believing he only sent one to SpiritClown. Well, why SpiritClown then? The only justification I can see is that he is a newb.
I am sure I am missing something but this is all I got. Help? He already admitted that he sent some to other new players in IRC. But why one in PM and others in IRC?
Don't even bother, I tried asking and got a shitstorm instead.
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What I meant by that was that IN IRC, he said that he pmd other people.
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On February 14 2012 10:22 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 10:02 prplhz wrote:
@Probulous
Why don't you want to post about an argument if you think it is valid? I'm saying "Stop using meta argument because it's quite bad at this stage of the game" and you're saying "I will posting about it but I will still use it because it's a good argument". That makes no sense at all, why wouldn't you want to post about an argument that you think is good?
You didn't even read my defense did you?
What does this "evidence" point at? It is easy to say "He is very lightly role fishing at SpiritClown and this is something scum could have a motivation for doing" but you're not done with your case before you've also said "and townie wouldn't very lightly role fish at SpiritClown". And you can't say that because that isn't true.
I'm not posting in the thread who I have PM'd and who I haven't PM'd so stop asking. It's between me and them, and I hope they don't say anything either. For those not reading IRC, I went over this with Prpl in there. He is correct that the actions could be motivated by a townie so there is no real case against him by me. I still think the actions are scummy and are not worth the chaos it has caused but that doesn't make him mafia.
Second. I can't prove that it's scummy, but he still won't admit that it might not have been the best idea.
+ Show Spoiler +[20:01] <Probulous> Mmm those four are the only communication you had? [20:03] <Probulous> Cause nowhere in there does it say that it is meant to be an icrebreaker. [20:03] <derpladee> i talked to other people too [20:03] <derpladee> jesus christ [20:03] <derpladee> it doesn't matter if it's an ice breaker or not even though it was primarily meant as such [20:04] <derpladee> i didn't push or bully people into giving me their roles or anything [20:04] <derpladee> you need to prove [20:04] <derpladee> and listen carefully because you are not understanding this because you are terrible [20:04] <derpladee> you need to prove not only that scum could have motivation for this [20:04] <derpladee> but also that townies could not have motivation for this 01[20:04] <ghost_403> so why don't you just say, "i meant it as an icebreaker, and it was a bad idea"? [20:05] <derpladee> because it wasn't a bad idea [20:06] <derpladee> i can't account for the entire town being full of morons 01[20:06] <ghost_403> okay, so why was it a good idea? [20:06] <derpladee> every itme i say something [20:06] <derpladee> why was it a bad idea? [20:06] <derpladee> you can't just say that it was a bad idea if i cannot conclusively prove that it was a good idea [20:06] <Grackaroni> you must not account only for what it was not a bad idea, but also why it must be a good idea [20:06] <Grackaroni> damn [20:06] <Grackaroni> I wanted to copy you 01[20:06] <ghost_403> well, it's done nothing but get you into trouble thus far 01[20:06] <ghost_403> and you have no new information to show for it [20:06] <derpladee> because town is full of morons apparently 02[20:07] * Sinani206 (~Sinani206@pool-71-105-80-90.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) Quit (Ping timeout) [20:07] <derpladee> i have new information, not about roles though 01[20:07] <ghost_403> "everyone else sucks" is a bad argument for "my idea was a good idea"
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@Probulous I don't care that people give their role/trait away to somebody who they cannot know is town, as long as that somebody is me. I'm not sure if I'm reading this right, but you think I was going to make it public? Of course I wouldn't. For my eyes only.
I also did not cause this chaos. I couldn't really have foreseen it but once it got going I tried my best to stop it. Scum probably hiding behind it or perpetuating it for just that purpose.
Jesus christ, you people.
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So who is hiding then?
I want to split Mr Not A Smurf (zeurg) in half. Who do you want to swing?
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I take back what I said about not being able to get on quakenet at school. Webchat seems to work fine.
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Night update coming up in a bit. I'm currently at work and have to take care of some inquiry stuff.
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+ Show Spoiler +On February 14 2012 09:56 sinani206 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 06:26 Mattchew wrote:prplhzI find his posts to be bland on the side of scummy. Here is how you say literally nothing in 5 out of 7 posts. Compare this to town prplhz in previous games, it is very different. + Show Spoiler +On February 14 2012 03:47 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 00:43 froggynoddy wrote:Also I don´t understand why Palmar wants sinani206 and prplhz killed. I can´t see this helping town in any way. A town player (even a useless one) at least counts as townie. So why should we kill someone, if we don´t gain anything?
From my reading of other games its worthwhile, particularly at this relatively random stage of early game, to get rid of anyone harming toen, confrimed scum or not (unless obv there is a better/scumier alternative) as that 'useless townie' is causing confusion and therefore aiding scum agenda. At leasts thats my understanding, any vets wish to confirm/deny/shove my head in dung for being stupid? [...] Which of those categories do I belong to? On February 13 2012 22:41 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 14:00 Blazinghand wrote:
Oh uh if you're gonna be in like multiple channels, how do you stop someone from /whois ing you and like finding what other channels you're in? Can this be done with the webIRC client? Um... wow the only thing I have to say here is that you're literally retarded. Like, you rode the short bus to school and there are special classes for you. But that's okay! I don't discriminate. .................... anyway, if you're on a channel and you're OP then you can use: /mode #channelname +s to make the channel secret, it will not show up on /whois for anybody who isn't also on that same channel with you. This does not stay if there is a period when nobody on the channel so make sure you set it again if you're the first one in there again later. Didn't you say you were not going to act this way in this game? What made you decide to act this way anyway?
Crusading forumer (vigilante) shouldn't shoot tonight if that wasn't obvious. On February 13 2012 12:09 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 09:58 Probulous wrote:On February 13 2012 09:51 prplhz wrote:
Stop discussing that. It doesn't say anything about Palmar's alignment. Aaah, you're a pretty queen now I was just clarifying exactly that point. Palmar just got it wrong. He says so in irc and clearly the phag man didn't read it. What do you want to discuss? I asked you about the trait thing but you don't want to talk about that. Holy fuck I'm a queen that's maybe even cooler than a lurker!!! : I'm like Forumite and Foolishness now On February 13 2012 08:52 prplhz wrote:
How should I know?
I didn't talk to him so I have no idea what all this fuss is about. Maybe you guys could post those IRC logs and everybody else could have a look? On February 13 2012 08:35 prplhz wrote:A scumdar that works 50% of the time isn't "clearly off" when there aren't 50% scum in the game. also On February 13 2012 02:55 prplhz wrote:
Anyway, protective roles on Palmar since he's the only reliable and vocal scum hunter on the player list.
This shouldn't need to be said. Also, this is planting the seeds for directing blues in the future. Coupled with his role fishing out of thread, I believe prplhz is scum. Sinani2062 games ago http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690&user=128360ACTIVEOutcome = Veteran: sinani206 last game On February 02 2012 15:27 sinani206 wrote:
hi guys; just saw my role pm going to bed now, gnight outcome = Sinani206, Issisus the Pustulent, a Chaos Plaguebearer has been cast into the warp! This game On February 13 2012 10:29 sinani206 wrote:
why do i always check tl an hour before the game starts and then not until 10 hours later...
going out to dinner now so be back in a few hours (its almost been 24 hours since this post I believe, and still nothing)outcome = ?? prplhz is my strongest scumread Sinani206 and [UoN]Sentinel have to start contributing. This is my FOS pressure on them to get them to crawl out and start participating. If they stay silent I believe they are good lynch candidates. Some reads on townies Layabout, provoked good discussion with talks of his plan. Blazinghand, posts fearlessly and aggressively as if he has nothing to hide I don't find my play in NMMI to be lurking. Skype: sinani206 AIM: sinani206 GTalk: sinani206 pretty much on those whenever im on my computer obviously this post will be analyzed as me active lurking but theres nothing i can do about that.
There is a lot you could do about that. You could for example try to post your view on some people, or try to participate in the discussions in IRC. However, you have written nothing of interest. Let's have a look at your current IRC log:
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20120214.log:[01:02:03] *** Joins: Sinani206 (~Sinani206@pool-71-105-80-90.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net)
20120214.log:[01:02:04] <Sinani206> hi
20120214.log:[01:02:25] <Sinani206> sup
20120214.log:[01:08:01] *** Quits: Sinani206 (~Sinani206@pool-71-105-80-90.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) (Ping timeout)
20120214.log:[01:08:25] *** Joins: Sinani206 (~Sinani206@pool-71-105-80-90.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net)
20120214.log:[01:12:17] <Sinani206> fucking pistachios
20120214.log:[01:12:36] <Sinani206> theres this pistachio
20120214.log:[01:12:44] <Sinani206> with no hole in the shell
20120214.log:[01:12:51] <Sinani206> and its annoying the hell out of me
20120214.log:[01:13:36] <Sinani206> this my friends is why we have swiss army knives
20120214.log:[01:14:04] <Sinani206> wow that pistachio was all that trouble and it wasnt even crunchy
20120214.log:[01:14:05] <Sinani206> goddmant
20120214.log:[01:14:20] <Sinani206> ikr
20120214.log:[01:14:33] <Sinani206> the one whos eatig them
20120214.log:[01:14:39] <Sinani206> yes
20120214.log:[01:14:41] <Sinani206> proceed
20120214.log:[01:17:02] <Sinani206> im kinda siding with ghost here.
20120214.log:[01:17:12] <Sinani206> pistachio buddy :D
20120214.log:[01:17:32] * Sinani206 BROFIST
20120214.log:[02:47:39] <Sinani206> AMERICA FTW
20120214.log:[02:47:43] <Sinani206> im back btw
20120214.log:[02:47:54] <Sinani206> i am
20120214.log:[02:47:57] <Sinani206> its about 7 here
20120214.log:[02:48:17] <Sinani206> ikr
20120214.log:[02:48:22] <Sinani206> i love LA
20120214.log:[02:48:24] <Sinani206> hahah
20120214.log:[02:48:51] <Sinani206> i know
20120214.log:[02:48:57] <Sinani206> and mlg
20120214.log:[02:49:01] <Sinani206> and dreamhack
20120214.log:[02:49:08] <Sinani206> and i get gsl
20120214.log:[02:49:19] <Sinani206> at more reasonable time than east coast
20120214.log:[02:49:23] <Sinani206> still late tho
20120214.log:[02:49:41] <Sinani206> and nasl hahaha
20120214.log:[02:49:48] <Sinani206> i watch foreigners
20120214.log:[02:49:53] <Sinani206> in gsl
20120214.log:[02:49:55] <Sinani206> mainly
20120214.log:[02:50:17] <Sinani206> yes
20120214.log:[06:55:52] <Sinani206> sleepin bros
20120214.log:[06:55:58] *** Sinani206 is now known as sinani206AWAY
There is absolutely nothing regarding the current mafia game. You even interrupted an ongoing discussion with your pistachios-remarks:
+ Show Spoiler +[01:11:22] <Lanaia> okay. [01:11:28] <Lanaia> he has played a lot [01:11:32] <Lanaia> there are a lot of other games [01:11:43] <Probulous> It's fine, you have been clear and logical and made me see the mistake I made. I still don't like it as a tactic but whatever... [01:11:53] <derpladee> that's fine [01:11:56] <Lanaia> can't remember if i've played a game with him where he's been scum except when I was scum with hiim [01:12:01] <derpladee> it's a bit silly that you don't like it but that's your subjective preference [01:12:17] <Sinani206> fucking pistachios [01:12:28] <derpladee> i have only been scum three times and one was SNMMIV fuckign ages ago, the other was WaW2 which was a troll game ages ago and then XLVII [01:12:28] <Lanaia> .... ? [01:12:36] <Probulous> Well it caused a shitstorm, so your results from it better be mindblowing [01:12:36] <ghost_403> I LOVE FUCKING PISTACHIOS [01:12:36] <Sinani206> theres this pistachio [01:12:44] <Sinani206> with no hole in the shell [01:12:48] <derpladee> ghost_403, why is it suspicious [01:12:51] <Sinani206> and its annoying the hell out of me [01:12:58] <ghost_403> pistachios? [01:13:01] <Lanaia> xlvii was the 80p, right? [01:13:03] <derpladee> yes [01:13:03] <ghost_403> or the role fishing? [01:13:10] <derpladee> are you dodging? [01:13:29] <ghost_403> i think that role fishing is suspicious, period [01:13:36] <Sinani206> this my friends is why we have swiss army knives [01:13:37] <derpladee> you just can't argue for why it is [01:13:40] <derpladee> which is why you suck [01:13:50] <ghost_403> it is plausible that you are a noble townie trying to control the game to come out better for the town [01:13:52] <Lanaia> town rolefishes, too, though [01:13:55] <ghost_403> the other explanation [01:14:04] <Sinani206> wow that pistachio was all that trouble and it wasnt even crunchy [01:14:04] <ghost_403> is that you are scum looking for an easy kill [01:14:05] <Sinani206> goddmant [01:14:12] <ghost_403> @sinani sucks man [01:14:20] <Sinani206> ikr [01:14:22] <Lanaia> who the hell cares about the pistachios [01:14:30] <ghost_403> uh, they're delicious [01:14:33] <Sinani206> the one whos eatig them [01:14:35] <ghost_403> BUT BACK TO THE MATTER AT HAND [01:14:39] <Sinani206> yes [01:14:41] <ghost_403> it's suspicious [01:14:41] <Sinani206> proceed [01:14:56] <ghost_403> and you haven't given me a good explanation as to why you contacted some and not others [01:15:04] <ghost_403> i'm a newbie at mafia, and you didn't contact me [01:15:08] <ghost_403> no ice breaking [01:15:14] <ghost_403> no nothing [01:15:17] <ghost_403> why is that? [01:16:28] <ghost_403> ... [01:17:02] <Sinani206> im kinda siding with ghost here. [01:17:12] <Sinani206> pistachio buddy :D [01:17:23] * ghost_403 high-fives sinani [01:17:28] <ghost_403> :D [01:17:32] * Sinani206 BROFIST [01:17:48] * ghost_403 BROFIST [01:18:19] <derpladee> lol you feeling left out? [01:18:34] <derpladee> i only PMd a few people because i don't think i have time to talk to a ton of people at the same time [01:19:21] <ghost_403> fair enough
And then you were silent again. Actively interrupting an ongoing discussion about the game with trivial off-topic is very scummy in my book. No townie would do that.
So what about your messages in the thread? Let's check your filter:
+ Show Spoiler +On February 13 2012 01:12 sinani206 wrote:
:D On February 13 2012 10:29 sinani206 wrote:
why do i always check tl an hour before the game starts and then not until 10 hours later...
going out to dinner now so be back in a few hours On February 14 2012 10:01 sinani206 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 09:57 Grackaroni wrote:On February 14 2012 09:56 Probulous wrote:
Because to me someone sending a PM to a guy who is playing his first game asking for his role without sending similar PM's to more experienced players is scummy as hell. It looks like he is trying to buddy up and influence the newbie.
A townie would send PM's to everyone or ask in the thread. Scum don't want to arose the suspicion of senior players so newbs are easy targets. That is why it bothers me. Now I know the evidence is thin at best which is why I am trying to find some more, no-one else is coming forward though so I have to keep believing he only sent one to SpiritClown. Well, why SpiritClown then? The only justification I can see is that he is a newb.
I am sure I am missing something but this is all I got. Help? He already admitted that he sent some to other new players in IRC. But why one in PM and others in IRC?
I left out your big post out on purpose, as it is quoted at the beginning of this post already.
You write you are out for dinner and then vanish for almost 24 hours. You jump on the pressure-mob on prplhz and then ask an absolut trivial question that has been asked by others at that point. There is no initiative of you, no content.
You, sir, are acting really scummy in my book.
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EBWOP: my above post is about and addressed to sinani206, of course.
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Night 0:
layabout was being his lazy self, just shooting the breeze with his fellow forumers, as usual with people in Liquidia who did not feel threatened by the constant Mafia threat. Something about this day was different however, as an unusual phone call asked him to go to the nearby forest, saying his vacation lodge there had been burned down to the ground. Expecting the fire brigade and a few policemen on the scene, he was surprised to see only the ashes of his summer house when he arrived, and a tacked note on a charred column said: "You're first." As he pulled it from its tack, a hood came down on his head, and a garrote slipped over his throat.
Blazinghand, the fastest patcher in Liquidia because of his hot hands was doing parkour moves at the park later that night. He was practicing for his MMA match, and wanted his explosive arms to have a match in legwork. What he didn't expect was a sudden blinding light in his face, and the gleam of a long blade thrusting straight to his chest. Only three stabs were found on his body, as the bloody scene had shown him vainly trying to crawl towards his med kit as he bled out on the concrete walkway.
layabout the Spying Townie with a Rival was killed
Blazinghand the Doctor was killed
Day 1 Begins. You have 54 hours and 50 minutes to vote.
Edit: Added townie details X_X
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Double post. Drat office internet acting up.
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Night starts suck.
IM TOWNIE
LETS GET THIS SHIT GOING
FUCK IRC. THREAD ACTIVITY NAO
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NOOOOOOOOO! LB & BH T_T
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Happy Valentine's Day guys and gals! :D
So who should we be lynching today? ^^
And sorry laya and Blazing
And we lost a doctor... so sad
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Multiple lynches is a good idea. Two or three guys should die today. I don't mind throwing a lurker in there at all.
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On February 14 2012 22:10 prplhz wrote:
Multiple lynches is a good idea. Two or three guys should die today. I don't mind throwing a lurker in there at all.
I know it was discussed on IRC but do you mind summarizing why?
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double lynching is generally very pro-town.
Blazinghand tried to hint at being a veteran to me yesterday.
+ Show Spoiler +[13.2.2012 05:19:55] Noah Azarin: hey if you've got a moment, is there a way to get webIRC to not like [13.2.2012 05:20:00] Noah Azarin: show what rooms you're in [13.2.2012 05:20:06] Noah Azarin: or do I need to get a desktop client [13.2.2012 08:23:37] Palmar: no idea I don't use webirc [13.2.2012 08:23:42] Palmar: just get a client [13.2.2012 08:23:48] Noah Azarin: ok [13.2.2012 08:54:13] Noah Azarin: btw i'm usually this dumb/cocky but thank you [13.2.2012 08:55:29] Palmar: yes [13.2.2012 08:55:33] Palmar: that's what I meant [13.2.2012 08:55:47] Noah Azarin: ok [13.2.2012 08:55:51] Palmar: are you implying your alignment isn't the same as usual? [13.2.2012 08:55:59] Noah Azarin: um no [13.2.2012 08:56:10] Noah Azarin: i'm just noting that any meta read based on me being cocky [13.2.2012 08:56:14] Noah Azarin: is going to be wrong [13.2.2012 08:56:26] Palmar: because if it was, why would you have to point out that you usually are, when that's obviously the premise for my assumption [13.2.2012 08:56:37] Noah Azarin: wat [13.2.2012 08:56:44] Noah Azarin: man i'm just helping a brotha out [13.2.2012 08:56:50] Palmar: I called you town, based on the fact that you're being dumb and cocky [13.2.2012 08:56:57] Noah Azarin: right and i'm noting [13.2.2012 08:57:02] Palmar: if you were scum, I'd expect you to deviate that [13.2.2012 08:57:03] Noah Azarin: i'm always dumb and cocky [13.2.2012 08:57:06] Palmar: deviate from that* [13.2.2012 08:57:08] Palmar: eys [13.2.2012 08:57:11] Palmar: even as scum? [13.2.2012 08:57:16] Noah Azarin: I've never been scum [13.2.2012 08:57:18] Noah Azarin: I don't know [13.2.2012 08:57:21] Noah Azarin: but if I were scum [13.2.2012 08:57:21] Palmar: exactly [13.2.2012 08:57:23] Noah Azarin: I'd be dumb and cocky [13.2.2012 08:57:27] Noah Azarin: because otherwise [13.2.2012 08:57:28] Palmar: it's actually impossible to play scum like you play town [13.2.2012 08:57:34] Noah Azarin: well yeah ok [13.2.2012 08:57:35] Palmar: unless your town play is terrible [13.2.2012 08:57:35] Noah Azarin: I'd TRY [13.2.2012 08:57:39] Noah Azarin: to be dumb and cocky [13.2.2012 08:57:45] Noah Azarin: well, LOOK dumb and cocky [13.2.2012 08:57:47] Palmar: lol [13.2.2012 08:57:52] Palmar: whatever [13.2.2012 08:58:04] Noah Azarin: btw hypothetically [13.2.2012 08:58:06] Noah Azarin: if you were a vet [13.2.2012 08:58:12] Noah Azarin: would it be good to try to fish for a shot N0 [13.2.2012 08:58:23] Palmar: only by doing smart stuff [13.2.2012 08:58:26] Palmar: (like scumhunting [13.2.2012 08:58:31] Noah Azarin: ah, okay. [13.2.2012 08:58:36] Palmar: not by doing dumb stuff (like roleclaiming DT or something) [13.2.2012 08:58:54] Noah Azarin: makes sense. I am not a vet.
Anyway, I'll post what I have to say later.
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Sleeping now. Good Night.
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Would have been here last night if the post had been 10 minutes earlier.
I'm not used to multiple scumteams. I guess a double lynch makes sense, but I'm not sure if three is good for us.
One thing I've noticed that I really don't like that's been happening (aside from lurking) is the use of self-meta. It may have only been BH, but I personally say "this is kind of invalid now" to myself when I see someone talking about their meta.
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I support a double lynch. It is a good tool to pressure scum, and hopefully make the slip.
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I support a double lynch. spotlights shady vote switches and leaves less room to hide
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I want to lynch two people today. I have three candidates in mind. Will post evidence when I get home from school later.
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I support the double lynch as long as every lynch is well reasoned... not like "He was always anti-town in previous games"
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On February 15 2012 01:57 mderg wrote:
I support the double lynch as long as every lynch is well reasoned... not like "He was always anti-town in previous games"
I Agree.
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K so reread IRC here is what I was referring to:
[16:01:49] <Palmar> double lynch is ridiculously town favored [16:02:31] <Palmar> both statistically and logically [16:03:00] <Palmar> it's very common that there is one scum candidate in the top 3 targets for a lynch [16:03:10] <Palmar> but it's quite uncommon that the scum actually gets lynched [16:03:20] <Palmar> by forcing double lynches that chance is higher [16:03:23] <Palmar> in addition [16:03:29] <mderg> but there could also be no scum in the top candidates at all [16:03:33] <Palmar> of course [16:03:42] <Palmar> but that means we're terrible [16:03:44] <Palmar> and I'm not terrible [16:03:49] <mderg> so there must be good reasons for lynching them [16:03:52] <Palmar> of course [16:04:00] <Palmar> a pretty good reason is me saying so [16:04:13] <mderg> we can´t just double lynch for the sake of double lynching [16:04:19] <Palmar> of course we can [16:04:25] <Mattchew> lol [16:05:19] <mderg> we can but it doesn´t make sense [16:07:17] <Grackaroni> I can agree with double lynching
In addition even if we mislynch one out of two that still favours town, plus as previously mentioned it allows for scum to give something away in the final stages of voting.
What I want to reiterate this point from BC's guide:
+ Show Spoiler +One leader
This has been a problem in many games. One player in thread or in PM’s is solidified as the primary leader of the town. It somehow falls on them to do almost all the heavy lifting in the game. This causes multiple issues. If they are red, town instantly loses. If they are not careful and information is leaked to mafia, town will lose. If they are not confident in their decisions the town will become confused and you will typically lose. If you die, town is thrown into chaos and usually implodes.
This can be solved by not centralizing leadership on one person. In PM games smaller 2-5 member groups thinking as small cells and analyzing/pushing beliefs, etc… are more effective than one single leader. Multiple strong personalities in a thread (see L, Ace, etc.) Multiple players like that in a thread will argue, clash and ultimately things will get done. It also lets town get a better idea of alignment on players as the more aggressive they are the more analysis you can perform on them.
Anyone can learn the thread presence that the bigger named players possess and all it requires is confidence in your own abilities, and learning to not back down. Sometimes you will be wrong, but if multiple people do this in a game you get essentially an in game thought circle. People will toss ideas at each other and ultimately stronger analysis is usually accomplished. If you notice only one player is stepping up and you feel you have an important point to add, push it through. Your opinion may be disagreed with but that doesn’t make it any less valid.
As much as I understand Palmar's reputation as a first-class scumhunter, lets make sure that the reasoning is sound for any case that is made and that we do not fall into the logical fallacy (I love that word) that is the appeal to authority. This goes for everyone oc.
PS: am going out to dinner tonight... don't judge me.
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EBWOP: Forgot to say clearly that I am in favour of multi-lynch.
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##Vote : Sinani206
Might actually bring the guy in thread or on IRC.
Also, stop talking about Double lynch.
It s very likely that 2 town will be lynched D1 if we do that just for the sake of it.
Waste of lynching power.
I´m not in favor of it unless someone makes a great slip and we actually have a decent backup.
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Did Hufy at any point indicate to anybody that he wants to participate in this game at all?
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well, he /inned, but that's about it as far as i know.
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I'll support a double lynch, but only if I'm sure that both are scum. We really need to be careful to avoid mislynches given that we're already down a townie and a blue with almost nothing to show for it.
I've yet to see any good arguments for anyone being scum in this thread, although I would like to hear Sinani defend himself. I'm sorry, pistachio loving bro, but phagga does bring up some good points.
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Sinani signed on just as I signed off, so I didn't see him personally do anything supsicious in IRC... so I can't do anything about that. I'll wait for him to post, if I feel he's being explicitly scummy I'll add a vote on him.
I will say though that Lanaia and prplhz were pretty much united through the last IRC log. If one of them flips scum, I can almost guarantee that that's the wolfpack... and with Sinani being cloudy between that exchange and the time I signed on, I have him in my sights too.
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EBWOP: I hate pistachios. They're hard to eat and taste like stale crackers.
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On February 15 2012 06:11 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Sinani signed on just as I signed off, so I didn't see him personally do anything supsicious in IRC... so I can't do anything about that. I'll wait for him to post, if I feel he's being explicitly scummy I'll add a vote on him.
I will say though that Lanaia and prplhz were pretty much united through the last IRC log. If one of them flips scum, I can almost guarantee that that's the wolfpack... and with Sinani being cloudy between that exchange and the time I signed on, I have him in my sights too.
I just think it's silly that people think he's scum solely because of what he's done in regards to asking roles. It just seems a bit overboard, no?
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Well that was a shit night. Bad luck BH and layabout, you obviously played too well.
On February 14 2012 21:15 SpiritClown wrote:Happy Valentine's Day guys and gals! :D So who should we be lynching today? ^^ And sorry laya and Blazing And we lost a doctor... so sad
You scum bro?
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On February 15 2012 06:52 Lanaia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 06:11 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Sinani signed on just as I signed off, so I didn't see him personally do anything supsicious in IRC... so I can't do anything about that. I'll wait for him to post, if I feel he's being explicitly scummy I'll add a vote on him.
I will say though that Lanaia and prplhz were pretty much united through the last IRC log. If one of them flips scum, I can almost guarantee that that's the wolfpack... and with Sinani being cloudy between that exchange and the time I signed on, I have him in my sights too. I just think it's silly that people think he's scum solely because of what he's done in regards to asking roles. It just seems a bit overboard, no?
I'm not saying he's scum because of that. In fact I even told him that he was in the right for doing that.
I'm saying if either of you flip scum, the other probably is too.
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On February 15 2012 07:05 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 06:52 Lanaia wrote:On February 15 2012 06:11 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Sinani signed on just as I signed off, so I didn't see him personally do anything supsicious in IRC... so I can't do anything about that. I'll wait for him to post, if I feel he's being explicitly scummy I'll add a vote on him.
I will say though that Lanaia and prplhz were pretty much united through the last IRC log. If one of them flips scum, I can almost guarantee that that's the wolfpack... and with Sinani being cloudy between that exchange and the time I signed on, I have him in my sights too. I just think it's silly that people think he's scum solely because of what he's done in regards to asking roles. It just seems a bit overboard, no? I'm not saying he's scum because of that. In fact I even told him that he was in the right for doing that. I'm saying if either of you flip scum, the other probably is too.
Maybe but if somone is collecting votes for reasoning that doesn't make sense to you, it should be obvious that you would defend them right? I mean you could be wrong and they could be scum but they could be town. So if they are being lynched for a dumb reason you should sure as hell say something about it. Doesn't mean you are on the same team.
I don't get scum vibes from Lanaia, it would have been too easy to jump onto the Prpl wagon yesterday, or say nothing.
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I don't know what to think about sinani so I am going to propose a different candidate for lynch
zeurg
He is actively lurking and refusing to contribute.
[22:45:08] *** Joins: zeurg (webchat@c-174-59-222-135.hsd1.pa.comcast.net)
[23:14:23] <Mattchew> how long has zeurg been here
[23:14:46] <zeurg> I missed a yesterday so I've been catching up on reading and stuff
[23:15:06] <zeurg> Completely forgot about this
Note he was on IRC for just under half an hour before Mattchew mentioned his name. Then 23 seconds later he posts. He was reading the thread as he says but he was obviously reading IRC too. Anyway when pushed to contribute he says nothing.
[23:15:18] <Mattchew> zeurg you scum?
[23:15:26] <zeurg> no im a townie
[23:15:35] <zeurg> fo sho
Now it is nice to know he is apparently a townie but this is the last thing he says until
[00:42:04] *** Quits: zeurg (webchat@c-174-59-222-135.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) (Quit: Page closed)
Nothing for 1.5 hrs and then he quits. This was in the middle of the prpl shitstorm and he says nothing.I even tried to get him to talk in a private channel. Unfortunately it isn't logged, sorry guys. But all I said was that he should start posting but I got no response.
[00:43:53] <Probulous> PS, I have been trying to get zeurg to post through a private chat but no answer. As soon as I sent another post he left IRC. He is deliberately avoiding posing.
Now I know this is his first game but he is actively trying to avoid posting. He doesn't want to contribute and doesn't like being questioned. A townie would post when pushed, they should not be scared of making mistakes. I make them, even the great and mighty palmar makes them (though he may dispute it). Only mafia have a reason to try to avoid the spotlight in this manner.
He is currently not adding anything to the discussion and is coasting along in the shadows. Mafia will be smiling after killing a leading townie and our doctor. Well time to bring them into the light.
##vote: zeurg
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Here are my thoughts:
On February 15 2012 08:00 Probulous wrote:I don't know what to think about sinani so I am going to propose a different candidate for lynch zeurgHe is actively lurking and refusing to contribute. Show nested quote +[22:45:08] *** Joins: zeurg (webchat@c-174-59-222-135.hsd1.pa.comcast.net)
[23:14:23] <Mattchew> how long has zeurg been here
[23:14:46] <zeurg> I missed a yesterday so I've been catching up on reading and stuff
[23:15:06] <zeurg> Completely forgot about this
Note he was on IRC for just under half an hour before Mattchew mentioned his name. Then 23 seconds later he posts. He was reading the thread as he says but he was obviously reading IRC too. Anyway when pushed to contribute he says nothing.
This unsupported wouldn't be a strong case. I probably do something like that all the time.
Show nested quote +[23:15:18] <Mattchew> zeurg you scum?
[23:15:26] <zeurg> no im a townie
[23:15:35] <zeurg> fo sho Now it is nice to know he is apparently a townie but this is the last thing he says until Show nested quote +[00:42:04] *** Quits: zeurg (webchat@c-174-59-222-135.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) (Quit: Page closed) Nothing for 1.5 hrs and then he quits. This was in the middle of the prpl shitstorm and he says nothing.I even tried to get him to talk in a private channel. Unfortunately it isn't logged, sorry guys. But all I said was that he should start posting but I got no response. Show nested quote +[00:43:53] <Probulous> PS, I have been trying to get zeurg to post through a private chat but no answer. As soon as I sent another post he left IRC. He is deliberately avoiding posing. Now I know this is his first game but he is actively trying to avoid posting. He doesn't want to contribute and doesn't like being questioned. A townie would post when pushed, they should not be scared of making mistakes. I make them, even the great and mighty palmar makes them (though he may dispute it). Only mafia have a reason to try to avoid the spotlight in this manner.
Oh, my history has a lot of those.
I'm going to cut off there. I'm still thinking that if it's zeurg's first time he could just be blue and scared of revealing this. I'll put FoS on him and cut him a little break because he's new, but I too expect to hear from him.
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On February 15 2012 06:58 Probulous wrote:Well that was a shit night. Bad luck BH and layabout, you obviously played too well. Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 21:15 SpiritClown wrote:Happy Valentine's Day guys and gals! :D So who should we be lynching today? ^^ And sorry laya and Blazing And we lost a doctor... so sad You scum bro?
Prpl pointed out to me in IRC how stupid this is so I am retracting it. If this needs explanation, ask.
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On February 15 2012 08:00 Probulous wrote:
I don't know what to think about sinani so I am going to propose a different candidate for lynch
zeurg
He is actively lurking and refusing to contribute. [...]
We've still got plenty of time left before the lynch, so it's too soon for me to cast a vote. Probulous does have good points here, and in two days, I will support his movement. Zeurg, start contributing or my FOS will become a vote.
FOS zeurg
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On February 14 2012 19:04 Kenpachi wrote:
Night starts suck.
IM TOWNIE
LETS GET THIS SHIT GOING
FUCK IRC. THREAD ACTIVITY NAO
I agree that IRC sucks compared to thread activity. So would you like to actually participate? What have you got so far?
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Ok I seem to be having a one-way conversation with myself in here, which my doctor says is not good for my health. So in a bid to try and get someone to join the conversation, here is my list of lurkers that need to post more in thread. IRC is all well and good but when it comes to working out your alignment IRC is a bitch. So do us a favour and post in here. If you are not posting your cases and thoughts in here you are not helping. Vigs as far as I am concerned you can fire away...
Lurkers - Not the good kind
- zeurg
- Bluelightz
- rgTheWhoCares
- SpiritClown
- sinani206
- Kenpachi
- Grackaroni
There are others who have not posted much but what they have posted has felt townie to me. These guys I can't work out (except zeurg, you're going down).
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On February 15 2012 08:41 Probulous wrote:Ok I seem to be having a one-way conversation with myself in here, which my doctor says is not good for my health. So in a bid to try and get someone to join the conversation, here is my list of lurkers that need to post more in thread. IRC is all well and good but when it comes to working out your alignment IRC is a bitch. So do us a favour and post in here. If you are not posting your cases and thoughts in here you are not helping. Vigs as far as I am concerned you can fire away... Lurkers - Not the good kind - zeurg
- Bluelightz
- rgTheWhoCares
- SpiritClown
- sinani206
- Kenpachi
- Grackaroni
There are others who have not posted much but what they have posted has felt townie to me. These guys I can't work out (except zeurg, you're going down).
rg has been good in IRC imo. other than that you left off hufy (you think hes gonna get replaced) and mderg... he also was the first to vote
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I feel like I'm Instant delurking but :/
Anyway,
Townie List:
Palmar
Probulous
Mattchew
prplhz
Scummy:
Sinani - Not a lot of contributions
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On February 15 2012 09:13 Bluelightz wrote:
I feel like I'm Instant delurking but :/
Anyway,
Townie List:
Palmar
Probulous
Mattchew
prplhz
Scummy:
Sinani - Not a lot of contributions
townie lists are bad
i honestly dont care if you think im scummy because no one else does
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I think you're scummy sinani206. I think you're being cocky and playing to your normally useless meta to hide the fact you have very little opinion on the game as it stands right now.
What do you think about that?
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On February 15 2012 09:17 Palmar wrote:
I think you're scummy sinani206. I think you're being cocky and playing to your normally useless meta to hide the fact you have very little opinion on the game as it stands right now.
What do you think about that?
i'd rather not hide any facts. i don't have any opinions.
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My biggest scum read is Bluelightz
On February 14 2012 09:11 Bluelightz wrote:
Dude, I was sleeping. Getting on irc.
Anyway I do n't have any scum reads but my town reads are
Palmar
Paperscraps
Layabout
Grackaroni
First off giving a list of townie reads is bad, but I wouldn't expect Bluelightz to play any differently than this.
The reads themselves are pretty random, he quickly takes back town read on me when he realizes that Palmar has called me scummy.
On February 15 2012 09:13 Bluelightz wrote:
I feel like I'm Instant delurking but :/
Anyway,
Townie List:
Palmar
Probulous
Mattchew
prplhz
Scummy:
Sinani - Not a lot of contributions
Next day Bluelightz comes in again with his new list of reads. Not a lot of contributions is pretty weak and easy to retract for a scum read. The main reason Nisani is seen as scummy is because he has been unwilling to provide opinions and shows little interest in the game. (he said that prplhz was obv scum in IRC, but he did not care to explain it.) This list is lacking Paperscraps, who was on there earlier, It's possible that he simply forgot him but I think that he took him off just because he got accused a bit.
[19:15] <@Palmar> Paperscraps is town
[19:15] <Bluelightz> I believe scraps is town as well
[19:15] <derpladee> lol Bluelightz why?
[19:16] <Bluelightz> @prp I talked with him in irc and he seemed townie
I'm really not sure if it was a coincidence that Paperscraps was not on BL's town list from the earlier night but he had no real reasoning to back up his town read. His town reads are random and I think he just wanted to agree with palmar.
Bluelightz has jumped onto 2 of the easiest lynches in the game (already supported by several players) and posts a lot about asking opinions about me without providing his own.
[19:11] <Bluelightz> I think grack & sinani are scum imo
[19:28] <Bluelightz> IF we do Double Lynch who would we lynch? I Could see grack & Sinani getting lynched
[19:29] <Bluelightz> froggy what do you think of grack?
[19:34] <Bluelightz> Palmar, here's a PM from grack to me it made me seem like he had no "friends" or was clueless | Are you mainly communicating through PM's?
[19:34] <Bluelightz> Looked like that was your plan from IRC chat.
[19:39] <Bluelightz> Wadda ya think of Grack?
The only thing he does add about me is a random PM from me that shows nothing about my allignment. the PM he quoted was just my way of "breaking the ice"(prplhz). Seriously, I don't see the connection between me reaching out to him ------> me making it seem like I had no friends ----------> somehow indicating I am scum?
As far as I can recall I've never seen Bluelightz attack one player, he tends to stick to lists seperated by town, scum or town/scum. The Impression he has given me is that he does not want to make his own analysis on me, even though he thinks I'm scum, and is looking to pressure somebody else into writing a case for him.
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Thanks for posting Grack.
I would like to point out that you PM'd me asking my thoughts on Bluelightz. You also jumped into IRC asking about Bluelightz a little after Lanaia and I were discussing him. So this is a little like the pot/kettle/black thing. Reading again carefully.
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On February 15 2012 12:28 Probulous wrote:
Thanks for posting Grack.
I would like to point out that you PM'd me asking my thoughts on Bluelightz. You also jumped into IRC asking about Bluelightz a little after Lanaia and I were discussing him. So this is a little like the pot/kettle/black thing. Reading again carefully.
I haven't PM'd you all game. Check again
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On February 15 2012 12:28 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 12:28 Probulous wrote:
Thanks for posting Grack.
I would like to point out that you PM'd me asking my thoughts on Bluelightz. You also jumped into IRC asking about Bluelightz a little after Lanaia and I were discussing him. So this is a little like the pot/kettle/black thing. Reading again carefully. I haven't PM'd you all game. Check again
In fact I checked the IRC logs too. the first thing I said when I finished reading the chat was my opinion of Bluelightz. I never asked your opinion on him in IRC either.
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Holy hell I got you two mixed up, he was PM asking about you
Here it is
Original Message From Bluelightz: Show nested quote +Original Message From Probulous: I'm not sure on Grack. I don't like his tunneling of Mattchew, I have a town read on both Palmar and Matt and he targeted them. Paperscraps is apparently confirmed town to Palmar. I don't get that but whatever, that means Grack is focused on targeting townies. Now I can't tell whether that is because he is just plain bad or whether he is scum. He needs to post in thread more. Just like you. So that leaves me with nothing worthy of a lynch. Hence my voting for a lurker that I know is reading everything but not posting. I can't analyse IRC, it give an impresion but that is all. You want brownie points with me, post in thread. Original Message From Bluelightz:
Prob what are your thoughts on lynching Grack? Ahh, okay thanks for replying. Will PM again if there is new topics
Sorry bro
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On February 15 2012 12:31 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 12:28 Grackaroni wrote:On February 15 2012 12:28 Probulous wrote:
Thanks for posting Grack.
I would like to point out that you PM'd me asking my thoughts on Bluelightz. You also jumped into IRC asking about Bluelightz a little after Lanaia and I were discussing him. So this is a little like the pot/kettle/black thing. Reading again carefully. I haven't PM'd you all game. Check again In fact I checked the IRC logs too. the first thing I said when I finished reading the chat was my opinion of Bluelightz. I never asked your opinion on him in IRC either.
Yeah it was more the timing than anything else. It was so weird you jumping in right after Lanaia and I had been talking about him. Given my mix up on the PMs, I retract the kettle statement. I don't know what is up with my reading this game
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Disclaimer: My reads aren't just from the text I have quoted, but the whole of the IRC log and the thread.
Read on [UoN]Sentinel = Scum
Read on Lanaia = Slightly scummy
Read on Grackaroni = Null
[01:39:43] <Paperscraps> sentinel you town bro? [01:39:54] <[UoN]Sentinel> no [01:39:55] <[UoN]Sentinel> i'm scum [01:39:59] <Paperscraps> k [01:40:03] <[UoN]Sentinel> in fact i'm going to kill you tonight [01:40:10] <Grackaroni> havent seen that one yet [01:40:32] <[UoN]Sentinel> i'm also short fuse [01:40:36] <Probulous> Don't mind me. Just scratchin my ass... [01:40:44] <[UoN]Sentinel> and i'm going to blow up grack if he votes me [01:40:47] <[UoN]Sentinel> because i can [01:41:00] <Grackaroni> in case you were wondering I'm a troll hunter [01:41:04] <Grackaroni> I can only shoot trolls [01:41:10] <Paperscraps> dont do it [UoN]Sentinel I want to live! [01:42:07] <Lanaia> hrm [01:42:12] <Lanaia> you guys [01:42:15] <Probulous> methinks you are talkin out said ass. A useful talent to have.. [01:42:16] <Lanaia> are being so strange [01:42:35] *** Joins: Mattchew (webchat@174.44.3.68) [01:42:40] <Mattchew> hi sentinel [01:42:46] <Mattchew> are you scum [01:43:01] <Paperscraps> yeah he threatened me [01:43:04] <Paperscraps> obv scum [01:43:08] <Grackaroni> hes shooting paperscraps tonight [01:43:09] <[UoN]Sentinel> -_- [01:43:11] <Grackaroni> good riddance [01:43:15] <[UoN]Sentinel> lol
I take three things from this.
1) Sentinel has admitted to being scum and should be lynched.
2) Lanaia is playing diplomatic and doesn't seem to have an opinion of her own. I have a slight scum read on her.
3) Grackaroni thinks I should be shot, which is lol. Stop the OMGUS. Grackaroni is neutral for me now, because he posted a decent case against Bluelightz.
Read on SpiritClown = Slightly scummy
[20:45:09] <rgTheSchworz> Shoot me
[20:45:14] <Blazinghand> ^--- what is this
[20:45:28] <Blazinghand> actually no don't answer that
[20:45:51] <rgTheSchworz> N0- the only night trolling is helpful
[20:45:53] <SpiritClown> since we want u to suffer we will not shoot or lynch u Schworz ^^
[20:46:02] <Lanaia> you are too adamant in wanting to die.
[20:46:04] <rgTheSchworz> or the only day for that matter
[20:46:18] <rgTheSchworz> Fine, don t shoot me
[20:46:26] <rgTheSchworz> Yay I am assured to live
[20:45:53] <SpiritClown> since we want u to suffer we will not shoot or lynch u Schworz ^^
This sentence just doesn't sit well with me.
Something just irks me about SpiritClown right now.
Read on Sinani = Null
I don't have a read on Sinani. I don't know the meta.
On February 15 2012 09:13 sinani206 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 09:13 Bluelightz wrote:
I feel like I'm Instant delurking but :/
Anyway,
Townie List:
Palmar
Probulous
Mattchew
prplhz
Scummy:
Sinani - Not a lot of contributions
townie lists are bad i honestly dont care if you think im scummy because no one else does
This is a good point. The scum teams know who the majority of the town is, but they don't know who is on the other scum team, so keep town reads to a minimum. By not making town lists we increase the chances of scum hitting each other.
Read on Bluelightz = Slightly scummy
Long IRC PM
+ Show Spoiler +4:53p <Paperscraps> hey you town? 4:53p <Bluelightz> you first 4:53p <Paperscraps> yeah i am town 4:54p <Bluelightz> same' 4:54p <Paperscraps> sweet 4:54p <Paperscraps> ! 4:54p <Bluelightz> Dx 4:54p <Bluelightz> anyway lets make a town pm circle 4:55p <Paperscraps> sounds good 4:55p <Paperscraps> layabout and palmar 4:55p <Paperscraps> are town im pretty sure 4:55p <Paperscraps> right now i suspect grackaroni and prob 4:55p <Bluelightz> ya 4:55p <Bluelightz> hmm 4:56p <Bluelightz> i gotta go in school soon(in the school bus right now) 4:56p <Paperscraps> gotcha 4:56p <Bluelightz> I dunno lb could easily be scum though like in purgatory 4:56p <Paperscraps> well 4:57p <Paperscraps> palmar said layabout is confirmed town 4:57p <Paperscraps> so take that for what it is 4:57p <Bluelightz> o_o 4:57p <Bluelightz> what do you think about prp 4:57p <Paperscraps> 1:44p <@Palmar> layabout is confirmed town 4:57p <Paperscraps> umm 4:57p <Paperscraps> prp is null at the moment 4:57p <Bluelightz> ahh kk at that 4:58p <Paperscraps> prp is kind of playing the middle 4:58p <Paperscraps> dont know what to make of it 4:58p <Bluelightz> :3 4:58p <Paperscraps> we dont have much to go on yet really 4:58p <Bluelightz> yup 4:58p <Paperscraps> need more people to post 4:59p <Bluelightz> i gotta go now though cya 4:59p <Paperscraps> later 1:58a <Bluelightz> helo 3:36a <Paperscraps> hi 3:36a No such nick 4:15p <Bluelightz> hey you there? 4:15p <Paperscraps> yeah 4:16p <Bluelightz> Any scum reads? :/ 4:16p <Paperscraps> prp and grack 4:16p <Paperscraps> matt and probu are null 4:16p <Paperscraps> foggy and layabout town 4:16p <Bluelightz> I dunno I had Grack as town 4:17p <Bluelightz> he PMed me this, I do think this means he has no friends : Are you mainly communicating through PM's? 4:17p <Paperscraps> a bit here and there 4:17p <Paperscraps> grack pm'ed me 4:18p <Paperscraps> sold me on him being scum 4:19p <Bluelightz> really? 4:19p <Bluelightz> I do understand why prp is scummy imo 4:20p <Bluelightz> asking for roles :# 4:22p <Bluelightz> hey Paperscraps 4:22p <Paperscraps> hey 4:23p <Bluelightz> what do you think of 4:23p <Bluelightz> Gracks recent posting in the main channel? 4:23p <Bluelightz> might be grack prp _____ scum team maybe? 4:23p <Paperscraps> yeah 4:24p <Bluelightz> prp just posted his defense in the thread 4:25p <Paperscraps> yeah i need to read through it 4:28p <Paperscraps> prp got so serious so quick 4:28p <Paperscraps> interesting 4:28p <Bluelightz> I'm gonna try PM lb 4:28p <Bluelightz> im gonna send you a pm of my latest reads before i go in school later 4:07p <Bluelightz> Hey paperscraps who do you think is scum nao?
Bluelightz is very reactionary and agreeable.
PM from Bluelightz to me
Grack & Prp scumy, grack gonna see in the day, see if he randomly sheeps.
LB, Palmar is town
A bit contradictory since Bluelightz has probably sheeped the hardest out of everyone.
He changed his read on Grackaroni in a heart beat, because other people thought Grackaroni was scummy.
Read on prplhz = Scum
I just played with prplhz in hammer mini mafia. He is posting and playing much differently than in that game. He is more defensive and less proactive like he was in hammer mini mafia. He was quick to make cases in the previous game, but hasn't really provided any substantial reads on others yet.
Yes this is a meta argument, but until prplhz starts posting actionable reads I have nothing else to go off of.
He is all about lynching lurkers, which I don't agree with.
My scum-o-meter (Most scummy on top to least scummy on bottom)
prplhz
[UoN]Sentinel
Bluelightz
Lanaia
SpiritClown
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Thanks for posting your reads Paperscraps.
Am I correct in saying that you think both Sentinel and SpiritClown are mafia because they claimed to be mafia?
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Well, fellas, I'm going to vote mderg.
You know why I'm going to vote mderg?
To coerce him into talking, of course.
mderg, how do you feel now? You're being voted.
Everywhere, you've said nothing of substance.
Everywhere, you haven't contributed. Get back in the game or my vote isn't moving. That's a promise.
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@Grack
Your first point, when I quickly turned back on you being scummy, I remembered my read on you after I posted that list, coupled by thoughts on other people
Your second point, Where I left Paper out of my town list, & prp in my town list, The first, I forgot :3 and with prp with recent talking with him, I felt he was town.
Your third point, You & Sinani were the easiest lynches, Not alot of people do agree that you are scum.
Laslty,
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Continuing from last post(hit wrong button qq)
I agree, I am not making a case, am pusing the easiest lynches currently(you & sinani as you say)
I do not think grack is scummy anymore but still think Sinani is scummy, Will make a case on him later but not now as I don't have much time right now.
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Why do you not think Grack is scummy anymore. I agree with you, but I want to hear your reasoning. Do you not find his case against you to be scummy? Are you 100% certain that he'd only be able to come up with this case as town? Why would a townie write such a case against you?
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In addition, Paperscraps is very towny. I'm willing to let prplhz slide for now, he's probably one of the better scumhunters in the game, and lynching him day 1 seems kinda useless unless I'm sure he's scum. In addition we had a little exchange on IRC last night involving a PM to sinani206, and the fact that prplhz sent that PM seems like something a townie would do.
I'm not sure what to make of sinani206's refusal to form an opinion. He knows and is fully aware he's denying the chance to form a read on him. I'm not sure if he's playing stubborn and stupid townie, or if he's using that to hide he's scum.
@Kenpachi, stop lurking or I'll hang you.
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l0l its ironic how i never followed my own words
I was too tired though so i went to sleep for the day and started my hw.
Man, IRC setups are LAME. Just getitng lines of text you never want to read.
On February 15 2012 14:58 Lanaia wrote:
Well, fellas, I'm going to vote mderg.
You know why I'm going to vote mderg?
To coerce him into talking, of course.
mderg, how do you feel now? You're being voted.
Everywhere, you've said nothing of substance.
Everywhere, you haven't contributed. Get back in the game or my vote isn't moving. That's a promise.
WTF? you're a semi vet i dont even know why you are fake pressuring a lurker. i thought youd learn by now that ITS NOT EVEN PRESSURE. But honestly, you're never bold in your actions so i cant say much about this except that its fucking terrible
Oh ya, PM me if you want to talk to me on skype or IRC or TL. I will ignore all PMs that are straight up spam like this one.
Original Message From prplhz:
Hi
Do you like me?
Best regards
I will answer in public: no
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I realized i have said nothing there. FEAR NOT, i dont have anything to say yet.
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On February 15 2012 18:43 Palmar wrote:
Why do you not think Grack is scummy anymore. I agree with you, but I want to hear your reasoning. Do you not find his case against you to be scummy? Are you 100% certain that he'd only be able to come up with this case as town? Why would a townie write such a case against you?
The first, Grack is "sure"of his reads in this game, for this I am using meta, in Student Mafia he made cases and was very sure of his reads.
Next, He post's like not under the control of a scumteam.
Lastly, he would write this just for the sake of how easy it is to push Bluelightz :p
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Why would a townie write an easy case?
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Im not lurking i have school. Then im busy and tired after i come back form school. BBL in ~18 hours or so
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yeah my schedule is butchered up. i go to school, sleep, THEN when everyone is sleeping i do my HWs and go to school..
ALL CAUSE OF MY GOSU WEEKEND DECISION MAKING
saying this cause i dont want to hear the Kenpachi lurker crap. Lurker =/= inactive bitchessssssssssssssssssssssssss
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On February 15 2012 14:58 Lanaia wrote:
Well, fellas, I'm going to vote mderg.
You know why I'm going to vote mderg?
To coerce him into talking, of course.
mderg, how do you feel now? You're being voted.
Everywhere, you've said nothing of substance.
Everywhere, you haven't contributed. Get back in the game or my vote isn't moving. That's a promise.
I don´t get why you voted for me with all the other lurkers here but that´s not important.
Should I feel pressured now? I don´t, I feel exactly the same way as before. Your "pressuring" somehow doesn´t feel legit to me. Normally (at least from what I saw) you ask lurkers about their opinions on the game, something interesting that happened etc but you just said that I didn´t contribute. It makes it kinda hard to respond for me.
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On February 15 2012 06:58 Probulous wrote:Well that was a shit night. Bad luck BH and layabout, you obviously played too well. Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 21:15 SpiritClown wrote:Happy Valentine's Day guys and gals! :D So who should we be lynching today? ^^ And sorry laya and Blazing And we lost a doctor... so sad You scum bro?
Lol i said sorry because they have to stop to play at first day XD
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And prob the thing about shooting i was referring to town blues and it was also a joke -.-
And the fact that i seem to lurk is because i'm inexperienced so i'm not so good at the game and i prefer to post something that might help instead of spamming (sorry for double post, i had yet to read all the posts done in my absence)
We have till 23:00 KST of today to vote for lynch right?
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Paperscraps, I know that sarcasm can't be done on the internet properly because of lack of body language, intonation etc. but I thought it was pretty obvious that I was dicking around. Either way it doesn't warrant me being second most scum in the game.
Prplhz once said that since SpiritClown apologized for both deaths that he's on both scum teams. Are you going to use that in your analysis too?
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On February 16 2012 00:06 SpiritClown wrote:
And prob the thing about shooting i was referring to town blues and it was also a joke -.-
And the fact that i seem to lurk is because i'm inexperienced so i'm not so good at the game and i prefer to post something that might help instead of spamming (sorry for double post, i had yet to read all the posts done in my absence)
We have till 23:00 KST of today to vote for lynch right?
hello there scum.
Vote: SpiritClown
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On February 15 2012 22:40 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 14:58 Lanaia wrote:
Well, fellas, I'm going to vote mderg.
You know why I'm going to vote mderg?
To coerce him into talking, of course.
mderg, how do you feel now? You're being voted.
Everywhere, you've said nothing of substance.
Everywhere, you haven't contributed. Get back in the game or my vote isn't moving. That's a promise. I don´t get why you voted for me with all the other lurkers here but that´s not important. Should I feel pressured now? I don´t, I feel exactly the same way as before. Your "pressuring" somehow doesn´t feel legit to me. Normally (at least from what I saw) you ask lurkers about their opinions on the game, something interesting that happened etc but you just said that I didn´t contribute. It makes it kinda hard to respond for me.
I wanted to try a different approach. I suppose it wasn't good enough.
Who is your single strongest scum read and why?
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Lady and Gentlemen I present to you the first scum
SpiritClown
Comparing this (his first game) to my first game (I was scum), I recognized an identical tone and style in posting.
On February 16 2012 00:06 SpiritClown wrote:
And the fact that i seem to lurk is because i'm inexperienced so i'm not so good at the game and i prefer to post something that might help instead of spamming (sorry for double post, i had yet to read all the posts done in my absence)
On February 14 2012 04:07 SpiritClown wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 03:57 Lanaia wrote:On February 14 2012 03:11 SpiritClown wrote:
I suspect prplhz has PMed some of you asking for your role... so who was asked by him? And who answered? If I remember correctly, he asked me in IRC and I didn't answer. I don't really see a need to reveal my role night zero/one/whatever we're calling it. Why do you suspect that? Because he asked you? I personally don't see why it's a huge deal. Saying "No." isn't hard. I'm not suspecting... i just wondered if he sent that to everyone or if he sent it only to some ppl (the newbies)
On November 27 2011 15:27 Mattchew wrote:
I honestly do not know what to say in this thread. I have no feelings as to who is scum and who is town, I don't want to point fingers and end up being wrong because I don't truly understand what I am reading.
On November 28 2011 21:16 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 21:05 sandroba wrote:
I find it amuzing that you previously felt no need to comment on this game and that is your only post of substance. I think you are refering to me. This is the first time I have felt comfortable in saying anything. Before the clues it has all been politics and post analysis. I don't know how to decifer these things. I am much more comfortable talking about the clues. I think Ciryandor's linking to xttfc and kitaman's death holds more weight because it is a direct correlation but not as "in-your-face" as the syllo death palmar quoted. Either way xttfc has a couple fingers pointing at him.
I want to point you to the case Risen made against me (note, he was town I was scum)
+ Show Spoiler +On November 30 2011 05:25 Risen wrote:I believe Mattchew is a lurker-mafia. I do not think we should lynch him, I think he should be shot by lurker-vig. Mattchew has a total of 11 posts since he made it in. Of those, 5 are defending zeks. Having said that. Show nested quote +On November 27 2011 15:27 Mattchew wrote:
I honestly do not know what to say in this thread. I have no feelings as to who is scum and who is town, I don't want to point fingers and end up being wrong because I don't truly understand what I am reading. Scum behavior. Maybe you're new, but now that everyone has been saying people need to post so people can get a read, I think it's time to start posting. Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 21:16 Mattchew wrote:On November 28 2011 21:05 sandroba wrote:
I find it amuzing that you previously felt no need to comment on this game and that is your only post of substance. I think you are refering to me. This is the first time I have felt comfortable in saying anything. Before the clues it has all been politics and post analysis. I don't know how to decifer these things. I am much more comfortable talking about the clues. I think Ciryandor's linking to xttfc and kitaman's death holds more weight because it is a direct correlation but not as "in-your-face" as the syllo death palmar quoted. Either way xttfc has a couple fingers pointing at him. Says that he's more comfortable posting now, and then posts useless fluff. Relies on other people posting their thoughts so he can point to them and say, "Oh but I was just following their logic!" Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 00:41 Mattchew wrote:On November 29 2011 00:25 Match wrote:On November 28 2011 23:46 Mattchew wrote:
##vote ace
##vote risen Curious as to why you voted these two. Followed Palmar's 1 for 1 theory especially with ace calling so hard for his lynching while I write this. I figured that palmar can atleast leave us with double lynching if Ace is lynched first and actually turns out to be town. Followed people's reasoning for calling out risen aka: + Show Spoiler +On November 28 2011 23:25 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 23:18 sandroba wrote:
@Palmar do you think there is any way that risen is not mafia? Yes, never underestimate how dumb townies can be. But it's very unlikely, seeing as he promptly decided to celebrate living the night through before he had any way of knowing he would survive. I'm cool with lynching/vigging/bombing/nuking him. On November 28 2011 23:31 zeks wrote:
I must say that it is fair for you guys to incriminate me based on those clues but I assure you all I'm Town and if any of you have played clue games you'd know not to go by clues alone because mods tend to make them hard and vague (usually easier to spot as days go on). I'll be posting a write-up on a few people who I think are good lynches based on clues and behaviour.
Although I have taken notice of Risen's major slip which I don't believe is pure coincidence. This can be linked to him
Syllogism was out for his morning run when he stopped to tie his laces. He ran in marathons, and so each day he followed the same routine of waking up in the morning, putting on his tracksuit and going for a half-hour long run through the forest behind his house. Today was no different. Often, the trail he used was completely empty of other people, and so he was surprised when he finished tying his shoes to look up and see a man in a black trench-coat standing off to the side of the trail ahead of him. He was even more surprised when the man lifted a rifle and put two bullets into his chest.
@Match my quote speaks of "woods" not forest
A backstory of my quote:
My quote from a poem by Robert Frost called "The Road Not Taken"
The quote really puts me on the chopping block cause anything with path or road or trail would be linked to me =| sigh.
Well thats my defense I don't know what else to say. I'll do my best to do some analysis before voting ends in the case that I do die.
Well at least he took note of the tiny clue Zeks posted when trying to justify a case against me. Be that as it may, he's using justification from Zeks, who would not want to point the finger at another mafia player. Zeks most likely went through the death notes and was searching for anything that would point to me, that way when people started voting for me it wouldn't appear that they were voting JUST based on a "scumslip". This is really good, because Zeks knows he's going to be lynched, by giving his scum brothers justification to vote me, they can all now say "Oh but the clues pointed to Risen AND he made a scumslip" Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 01:07 Mattchew wrote:On November 29 2011 00:58 sandroba wrote:
@Matchew How does that reasoning prove that either one of them must be scum?
I am not 100% sure of ANYONE being scum at this point. With only 16 scum to 54 towns people I like to think that the 1 for 1 odds of Palmar and Ace seems pretty decent for us to atleast eliminate 1 mafia. The risen guy slipped up in a scummy way and unless better analysis of clues are given I think this is the best lead we have. I don't hate the logic on zeks but I am not completely sold on it. I choose between risen and zeks for the second vote. If you or anyone can make a more compelling argument for zeks I will gladly vote him over risen Really? You think my one "scumslip" is the best read we have? Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 00:48 Mattchew wrote:
I sincerely doubt that we will be able to read anything into the mafia players based on one clue. As we let the clues build up the scum we are being pointed at will become more apparent. That being said, Zeks has not done a great job of defending himself against a ton of votes and accusations against him. Therefore my before votes of Risen and Palmar will now change to zeks and a either palmar or risen. I have yet to determine which is the safer vote for town. Now that he sees Zeks is going down he's abandoning ship and just voting for Zeks. Honestly, it would be less scummy in my opinion had he stuck to his guns on this. In conclusion, I don't think Mattchew has been contributing much of anything. He's lurking and using his posts to just follow other people's logic so he doesn't have to justify anything and can just point the finger to who "persuaded" him. He agrees now that Zeks is mafia but he still wants to vote for me based on Zeks' analysis of a clue? What?
Some points Risen made that I would like to re-use against Spirit
- Scum behavior. Maybe you're new, but now that everyone has been saying people need to post so people can get a read, I think it's time to start posting.
- Relies on other people posting their thoughts so he can point to them and say, "Oh but I was just following their logic!"
- In conclusion, I don't think (SpiritClown) has been contributing much of anything. He's lurking and using his posts to just follow other people's logic so he doesn't have to justify anything and can just point the finger to who "persuaded" him.
Also, SpiritClown has done literally nothing in IRC even though he claims noone was talking. We were talking, and probably 1/3 of this game is Europe (if not more) that is not an excuse.
+ Show Spoiler +212.log:[18:55:54] *** Joins: SpiritClown_ (webchat@adsl-ull-167-185.51-151.net24.it) /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120212.log:[18:56:10] <SpiritClown_> hi /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120212.log:[19:01:04] <SpiritClown_> no one here? /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120212.log:[19:11:12] *** Quits: SpiritClown_ (webchat@adsl-ull-167-185.51-151.net24.it) (Quit: Page closed) /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120212.log:[21:11:51] *** Joins: SpiritClown (webchat@adsl-ull-167-185.51-151.net24.it) /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120212.log:[21:12:24] *** Quits: SpiritClown (webchat@adsl-ull-167-185.51-151.net24.it) (Quit: Page closed) /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:35:33] *** Joins: SpiritClown (webchat@adsl-ull-120-176.51-151.net24.it) /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:35:41] <SpiritClown> hello ^^ /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:36:03] <SpiritClown> who else is on now? /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:37:38] <SpiritClown> i dont0ò... at least not completely /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:39:52] <SpiritClown> so aside from the guy spamming pm to know the roles who else do you think is scummy? /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:45:53] <SpiritClown> since we want u to suffer we will not shoot or lynch u Schworz ^^ /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:47:19] <SpiritClown> nah, I'm a nice guy ^^ but killing a random guy is not helpful to us right now i think /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:48:31] <SpiritClown> so what should we talk about now? /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:48:59] <Lanaia> SpiritClown, who do you want to hear more from? /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:49:24] <SpiritClown> what? from who i want to hear more? /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:49:33] <SpiritClown> about what? /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:49:38] <SpiritClown> or about who? /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:49:54] <SpiritClown> oh /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:50:25] <SpiritClown> why so spammy? /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:50:48] <SpiritClown> if 2 don't do it mate /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:50:59] <SpiritClown> they are shutting it down in a little /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:51:16] <SpiritClown> also add me to steam palmar pls XD i also have beta (even if i'm newb) /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:52:50] <SpiritClown> why are we still talking about rgThewhat? i think we are just wasting time for now /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:52:55] <Lanaia> SpiritClown, i agree /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:53:47] <SpiritClown> so let's just talk about random crap... what do you think of the recent GSL?XDDDDDD /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:54:24] <SpiritClown> i have gsl in the morning, good luck whatching in europe /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:54:47] <SpiritClown> in europe it's like at 10 am /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:55:07] <SpiritClown> europe or Korea? /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:55:33] <SpiritClown> where i am it's 9:55 pm /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:57:13] <SpiritClown> well what about the ghost nerf? /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:58:35] <SpiritClown> raven would be nice to see... dunno though... /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:58:51] <SpiritClown> how does mech requires more apm? just for the tank siege? /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[20:59:06] <SpiritClown> i don't understand that /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[21:04:12] <SpiritClown> the thing about P is that it has the most spellcasters so it might be difficult for that /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[21:13:41] <SpiritClown> so... coming back to mafia... what do you think should we do? just wait? /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[21:14:52] <SpiritClown> mhh might be a bit soon but maybe the guy asking for rolecheks on PM's... /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[21:16:03] <SpiritClown> y claims, sry new to the game expecially in english /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[21:16:09] <SpiritClown> so my terminology it's not the best /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[21:17:27] <SpiritClown> y, thanks /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[21:17:38] <SpiritClown> he also claimed me scum for not telling him -.- /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[21:17:49] <SpiritClown> and saying everyone else told him /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[21:17:53] <SpiritClown> an obvious lie /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[21:19:18] <SpiritClown> y prplhz /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[21:19:39] <SpiritClown> oh is it him? /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[21:25:00] <SpiritClown> u troll for the sake of trolling there's no more reasons needed /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[21:25:03] <SpiritClown> in general i mean /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[21:26:55] <SpiritClown> i was not talking about you /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[21:29:16] <SpiritClown> opinions about the new post in the thread? /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[21:30:19] <SpiritClown> /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[21:33:54] <SpiritClown> lol /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[21:36:31] <SpiritClown> y /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[21:36:50] <SpiritClown> should i post the PM or not? /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[21:39:34] <SpiritClown> posted /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[21:42:17] <SpiritClown> i would have loved to claimed scum just to troll /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[21:42:39] <SpiritClown> XD /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[21:44:57] <SpiritClown> hi /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[21:54:38] <SpiritClown> hi /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[21:55:18] <SpiritClown> uat? /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[22:00:58] <SpiritClown> sry i dunno /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[22:08:19] <SpiritClown> well guys i would love to stay here more but i have to get up early tomorrow morning /var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[22:08:30] <SpiritClown> so bye bye and see ya later
Also, this shouldn't be the foundation of my case, but the guys said sorry or sry 7 times in irc and thread
So far, I believe Spirit to be the most sure-fire lynch we have
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Thursday, Feb 16 4:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) is the end of the cycle I believe
About 22 hours till lynch(s) and night actions
(mod confirm plz)
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Like Lanaia has mentioned earlier we need to start putting down our votes.
##Vote: Bluelightz
Mattchew is right that new scum often put a lot of emphasis on the fact that they are new and that their reads might not be good. Spiritclown would also be a good lynch if we are planning on tieing the vote.
I think paperscraps' needs a better reason for believing that Sentinel is scum, the conversation he posted is pretty obviously trollish and is a null tell.
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On February 16 2012 02:37 Mattchew wrote:
Thursday, Feb 16 4:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) is the end of the cycle I believe
About 22 hours till lynch(s) and night actions
(mod confirm plz)
Confirming on the date, but I miscalculated by 1 hour, it was supposed to be 00:00 KST to give me time to write the update before sleeping.
Note that Night Orders have to be sent before the deadline; i.e. players will get both a day and night post in one single update.
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Now that u believe I'm scum i think i have done something wrong (because I'm not scum). As for missing analysis and "not doing anything to contribute" that's because I really have nothing to say... what should I do? If i just spam it's scum behaviour and if i don't it's scum behaviour because I'm lurking -.-
Whathether... Honestly i think prplhz is scum (or scummy at least) because of his reaction to me refusing to tell him his role... that's the only thing I can honestly say... about the other people i don't know.
Maybe i should just don't play like i do in every other game being nice to people and being sorry if they can't play since in mafia they all think u are scum if u do so...
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On February 14 2012 18:10 Ciryandor wrote:
Day 1 Begins. You have 54 hours and 50 minutes to vote.
18:10 KST +50 Minutes = 19:00 KST; +7 hours = 2am KST on Feb 15th; +48 hours = 2 am KST on Feb 17th
So Day 1 Ends Feb 17th, 2am KST
or
Feb 16th, 18:00 CET (GMT+1)
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EBWOP forget my above post, Cyriandor ninjad me while i was calculating
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On February 16 2012 03:25 Ciryandor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 02:37 Mattchew wrote:
Thursday, Feb 16 4:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) is the end of the cycle I believe
About 22 hours till lynch(s) and night actions
(mod confirm plz) Confirming on the date, but I miscalculated by 1 hour, it was supposed to be 00:00 KST to give me time to write the update before sleeping.
Note that Night Orders have to be sent before the deadline; i.e. players will get both a day and night post in one single update.
so it is
Thursday, Feb 16 3:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
can you please include the next one in the day/night posts in this format so it localizes the time... thx!
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On February 16 2012 01:12 Lanaia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 22:40 mderg wrote:On February 15 2012 14:58 Lanaia wrote:
Well, fellas, I'm going to vote mderg.
You know why I'm going to vote mderg?
To coerce him into talking, of course.
mderg, how do you feel now? You're being voted.
Everywhere, you've said nothing of substance.
Everywhere, you haven't contributed. Get back in the game or my vote isn't moving. That's a promise. I don´t get why you voted for me with all the other lurkers here but that´s not important. Should I feel pressured now? I don´t, I feel exactly the same way as before. Your "pressuring" somehow doesn´t feel legit to me. Normally (at least from what I saw) you ask lurkers about their opinions on the game, something interesting that happened etc but you just said that I didn´t contribute. It makes it kinda hard to respond for me. I wanted to try a different approach. I suppose it wasn't good enough. Who is your single strongest scum read and why?
IMO there isn´t that much to read scum from but right now it would be Kenpachi. In 7 posts since the game started he said exactly nothing in 6 of them. The 7th post was an "attack" on you for calling me out. But directly after that he withdraws from attacking.
Even I saw the intention of getting me to talk from you btw.
So Kenpachi is my biggest suspicion right now because he didn´t say much (any) useful and when he posted "content" it wasn´t well reasoned and didn´t make much sense.
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On February 16 2012 03:30 SpiritClown wrote:
Now that u believe I'm scum i think i have done something wrong (because I'm not scum). As for missing analysis and "not doing anything to contribute" that's because I really have nothing to say... what should I do? If i just spam it's scum behaviour and if i don't it's scum behaviour because I'm lurking -.-
Contribute opinions to anything. A townie wouldn't be afraid to post his opinions on anything, even if they are wrong.
On February 16 2012 03:30 SpiritClown wrote:Whathether... Honestly i think prplhz is scum (or scummy at least) because of his reaction to me refusing to tell him his role... that's the only thing I can honestly say... about the other people i don't know.
Why would you not say town? Its weird that you didn't
On February 16 2012 03:30 SpiritClown wrote:Maybe i should just don't play like i do in every other game being nice to people and being sorry if they can't play since in mafia they all think u are scum if u do so...
You want sympathy?
hang scum
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So, Kenpachi, what do we have:
+ Show Spoiler +On February 13 2012 09:24 Kenpachi wrote:
/confirm townie On February 13 2012 13:33 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 12:46 ghost_403 wrote:
Great, looks like I have to learn to use IRC. :/ its not much to learn. /join #WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT thats all you need
Nothing of interest so far.
+ Show Spoiler +On February 14 2012 19:04 Kenpachi wrote:
Night starts suck.
IM TOWNIE
LETS GET THIS SHIT GOING
FUCK IRC. THREAD ACTIVITY NAO
Now that's a good call. so let's see your thread activity.
+ Show Spoiler +On February 15 2012 18:55 Kenpachi wrote:l0l its ironic how i never followed my own words I was too tired though so i went to sleep for the day and started my hw. Man, IRC setups are LAME. Just getitng lines of text you never want to read. Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 14:58 Lanaia wrote:
Well, fellas, I'm going to vote mderg.
You know why I'm going to vote mderg?
To coerce him into talking, of course.
mderg, how do you feel now? You're being voted.
Everywhere, you've said nothing of substance.
Everywhere, you haven't contributed. Get back in the game or my vote isn't moving. That's a promise. WTF? you're a semi vet i dont even know why you are fake pressuring a lurker. i thought youd learn by now that ITS NOT EVEN PRESSURE. But honestly, you're never bold in your actions so i cant say much about this except that its fucking terrible Oh ya, PM me if you want to talk to me on skype or IRC or TL. I will ignore all PMs that are straight up spam like this one. I will answer in public: no
first, an excuse that I don't really care about. Than, a short attack on Lanaia which says "you're playing terrible but that's normal for you", so nothing of interest really. And finally you post a PM from prplhz and call it Spam. No thoughts on the game, no read on players, no content.
And finally:
+ Show Spoiler +On February 15 2012 18:56 Kenpachi wrote:
I realized i have said nothing there. FEAR NOT, i dont have anything to say yet. On February 15 2012 20:05 Kenpachi wrote:
Im not lurking i have school. Then im busy and tired after i come back form school. BBL in ~18 hours or so On February 15 2012 20:08 Kenpachi wrote:
yeah my schedule is butchered up. i go to school, sleep, THEN when everyone is sleeping i do my HWs and go to school..
ALL CAUSE OF MY GOSU WEEKEND DECISION MAKING
saying this cause i dont want to hear the Kenpachi lurker crap. Lurker =/= inactive bitchessssssssssssssssssssssssss
3 Excuses in very short time. That makes 4 Excuses in the last 4 posts, not even spiritclown managed to do that.
I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt and checked your IRC log. I first thought it was broken because all it returned was:
+ Show Spoiler +20120213.log:[00:25:52] *** Joins: Kenpachi_ (webchat@cpe-98-14-10-11.nyc.res.rr.com) 20120213.log:[00:37:00] <derpladee> Kenpachi_, why didn't you write your /confirm message with green color? 20120213.log:[00:37:14] <Kenpachi_> im getting lazy 20120213.log:[05:33:59] *** Quits: Kenpachi_ (webchat@cpe-98-14-10-11.nyc.res.rr.com) (Quit: Page closed) 20120213.log:[16:12:57] <Grackaroni> ie Kenpachi, Sinani 20120213.log:[16:29:16] <Grackaroni> My issue is that Layabout wants to use this as a chance to lynch players that have shown themselves to be anti-town in previous games rather than focus on analysis from this game (ex, Sinani, Kenpachi) 20120213.log:[23:23:45] <Grackaroni> BL/Kenpachi/Nisani are all uselss and are fine for lynch 20120215.log:[00:25:44] <Bluelightz> Kenpachi 20120215.log:[00:26:17] <Palmar> Why would I care about Kenpachi's claim? 20120215.log:[00:27:04] <froggynoddy> layabout United Kingdom. February 13 2012 01:59. Posts 559 PM Profile Report Quote # filter Dont forget to ignore this: Hello my name is Kenpachi and it's a shame that i am a TL Forumer (Townie) i wanted something cool.. 20120215.log:[00:27:25] <Palmar> seriously, I need to be given a Kenpachi-vigilante shot every game
Seriously, there is zero content of you so far. Only excuses. And how you excuse. You seem to know exactly that you are not active enough. And it seems you do not want to change that. That's why you try to explain your way out of the situation.
So unless you are going to post something relevant, I will have you as a clear candidate to lynch.
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To mattchew
+ Show Spoiler +On February 16 2012 03:59 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 03:30 SpiritClown wrote:
Now that u believe I'm scum i think i have done something wrong (because I'm not scum). As for missing analysis and "not doing anything to contribute" that's because I really have nothing to say... what should I do? If i just spam it's scum behaviour and if i don't it's scum behaviour because I'm lurking -.- Contribute opinions to anything. A townie wouldn't be afraid to post his opinions on anything, even if they are wrong. Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 03:30 SpiritClown wrote:Whathether... Honestly i think prplhz is scum (or scummy at least) because of his reaction to me refusing to tell him his role... that's the only thing I can honestly say... about the other people i don't know. Why would you not say town? Its weird that you didn't Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 03:30 SpiritClown wrote:Maybe i should just don't play like i do in every other game being nice to people and being sorry if they can't play since in mafia they all think u are scum if u do so... You want sympathy? hang scum
Saying I'm not scum or say I'm town it's very different... yeah -.-
And I'm not afraid to post my opinions... honestly about you I think either u are scum and are just trying to make me lynch using my errors to save a shot or either u are a towny trying to find me scum and make other people lynch me. Probably the second one i would think but i'm not sure... something about your behaviour and animosity it's making me think u might be scum, but that might be because you're attacking me
And saying I'm town in a MP it's the obvious thing to do... saying "i won't say to you" or say "i'm town" it's the same thing because everyone would say that.
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On February 16 2012 04:12 SpiritClown wrote:
To mattchew
[...]
Saying I'm not scum or say I'm town it's very different... yeah -.-
And I'm not afraid to post my opinions... honestly about you I think either u are scum and are just trying to make me lynch using my errors to save a shot or either u are a towny trying to find me scum and make other people lynch me. Probably the second one i would think but i'm not sure... something about your behaviour and animosity it's making me think u might be scum, but that might be because you're attacking me
And saying I'm town in a MP it's the obvious thing to do... saying "i won't say to you" or say "i'm town" it's the same thing because everyone would say that.
Things you have contributed in this post:
1) Either Mattchew is a townie or he isn't.
2) ...
This is a contentless post that does nothing to help us find scum. If you don't want to be lynched, you should suggest a better lynch.
There are two good lynches on day 1: people who are scum and people who contribute nothing to the town. I am not convinced you are the first, but you definitely fit the second. You've got a few hours left to change my mind.
##Vote: SpiritClown
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On February 16 2012 04:12 SpiritClown wrote:
Saying I'm not scum or say I'm town it's very different... yeah -.-
And I'm not afraid to post my opinions... honestly about you I think either u are scum and are just trying to make me lynch using my errors to save a shot or either u are a towny trying to find me scum and make other people lynch me. Probably the second one i would think but i'm not sure... something about your behaviour and animosity it's making me think u might be scum, but that might be because you're attacking me
And saying I'm town in a MP it's the obvious thing to do... saying "i won't say to you" or say "i'm town" it's the same thing because everyone would say that.
I meant why wouldn't you just say to prplhz you were town. I understand why you wouldn't tell him trait and role.
Why aren't you on IRC even though you are active in thread.
You still haven't provided answers to many of my points against you and you just gave a town/scum read on me.
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On February 16 2012 00:41 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Paperscraps, I know that sarcasm can't be done on the internet properly because of lack of body language, intonation etc. but I thought it was pretty obvious that I was dicking around. Either way it doesn't warrant me being second most scum in the game.
Prplhz once said that since SpiritClown apologized for both deaths that he's on both scum teams. Are you going to use that in your analysis too?
I know you were joking. I just wanted to see others reactions. I have stronger reads on people now, because of this.
Sentinel you need to post more substance. You gave a small FoS on a lurker and haven't scum hunted at all. No coasting for you!
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My top 3 lynch candidates (in alphabetical order):
Kenpachi
Sinani206
Spiritclown
Other suspicious ppl:
zeurg: actively avoiding participation
mderg: barely active, only posting excuses, no content
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On February 16 2012 05:09 phagga wrote:
mderg: barely active, only posting excuses, no content
I only posted excuses? Wasn´t aware of that, if that´s true, I didn´t even feel the need to post an excuse at any time this game. So I´m wondering if I just posted in a bad way or you didn´t read my posts properly.
You´re right about me not being that active, though, I´ll try to change that.
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On February 16 2012 05:09 phagga wrote:
My top 3 lynch candidates (in alphabetical order):
Kenpachi
Sinani206
Spiritclown
Other suspicious ppl:
zeurg: actively avoiding participation
mderg: barely active, only posting excuses, no content
I feel you're wrong about mderg. He's posted more than just excuses. I mean, sure, he's barely active, but he's definitely posted more than excuses, least in my opinion.
On February 16 2012 03:43 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 01:12 Lanaia wrote:On February 15 2012 22:40 mderg wrote:On February 15 2012 14:58 Lanaia wrote:
Well, fellas, I'm going to vote mderg.
You know why I'm going to vote mderg?
To coerce him into talking, of course.
mderg, how do you feel now? You're being voted.
Everywhere, you've said nothing of substance.
Everywhere, you haven't contributed. Get back in the game or my vote isn't moving. That's a promise. I don´t get why you voted for me with all the other lurkers here but that´s not important. Should I feel pressured now? I don´t, I feel exactly the same way as before. Your "pressuring" somehow doesn´t feel legit to me. Normally (at least from what I saw) you ask lurkers about their opinions on the game, something interesting that happened etc but you just said that I didn´t contribute. It makes it kinda hard to respond for me. I wanted to try a different approach. I suppose it wasn't good enough. Who is your single strongest scum read and why? IMO there isn´t that much to read scum from but right now it would be Kenpachi. In 7 posts since the game started he said exactly nothing in 6 of them. The 7th post was an "attack" on you for calling me out. But directly after that he withdraws from attacking. Even I saw the intention of getting me to talk from you btw. So Kenpachi is my biggest suspicion right now because he didn´t say much (any) useful and when he posted "content" it wasn´t well reasoned and didn´t make much sense.
This doesn't look like an excuse to me.
also, in reply to mderg:
Even I saw the intention of getting me to talk from you btw.
Of course you did.
On February 15 2012 14:58 Lanaia wrote:
To coerce him into talking, of course.
I mean, I did say it after all.
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I'm more zeurg-centric right now. I don't like either him or Spirit at this moment for lurking, but zeurg takes it to the next level and actively avoids conversation/discussion.
It's plurality lynch anyway, so ##Vote: zeurg
Also where do I see the votes? If there is somewhere please post a link in OP
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On February 16 2012 06:14 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm more zeurg-centric right now. I don't like either him or Spirit at this moment for lurking, but zeurg takes it to the next level and actively avoids conversation/discussion.
It's plurality lynch anyway, so ##Vote: zeurg
Also where do I see the votes? If there is somewhere please post a link in OP
There's a vote thread.
A ton of people haven't voted in there although they've voted in here.
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Right-o, sorry about that
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Lanaia you got mderg to talk how about now you contribute something that isn't related to counting people who have voted or setup based... Like an actual vote on someone you think is scum... For the amount of time you've spent in irc and hovering the thread you have very little content that you can put your name to... Posting this on iPhone during 5 min class break
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Even I saw the intention of getting me to talk from you btw.
Of course you did.
That was more addressed at Kenpachi because he didn´t seem to understand the purpose of calling me out. Maybe I didn´t make it clear enough.
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##vote phagga
SO WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? AND WHO DO YOU THINK I AM?
well not a legitimate question cause you are a newbie. You don't accuse me of being scum. you just dont.
Im Kenpachi. you dont do that
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K, your analysis is also a piece of shit. Total scum.
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On February 16 2012 07:03 Kenpachi wrote:
##vote phagga
SO WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? AND WHO DO YOU THINK I AM?
well not a legitimate question cause you are a newbie. You don't accuse me of being scum. you just dont.
Im Kenpachi. you dont do that
Not sure if troll?
Remind me why you're voting to lynch phagga again?
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Just something i noticed over my past many games. Ive had majority of the people who accuse me to flip scum.
Why? Well for many reasons. Im "easy" to pinpoint mistakes as i have a really "bad" meta (scummy meta as people call it but i like to think of it as do whatever the fuck you want meta)
So through gut feeling and terrible accusation i believe phagga is likely scum
Oh ya, i dont give a damn if you follow my bandwagon or not. This fool is already dead to me
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mderg doesn't look like mafia to me. Still reading.
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i think im being too mean. He is a newbie so i wont go full throttle yet.
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On February 16 2012 07:03 Kenpachi wrote:
SO WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?
I don't need to think about that. I'm phagga.
AND WHO DO YOU THINK I AM?
You're the guy who is not contributing at all. Lurking in plain sight, so to say.
You don't accuse me of being scum. you just dont.
Im Kenpachi. you dont do that
Could you please point me to the line in the rules that say so? because I just have a hard time finding it. But you know, me being a newbie and all... I'm sure you can help me out, right?
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On February 15 2012 18:55 Kenpachi wrote:l0l its ironic how i never followed my own words I was too tired though so i went to sleep for the day and started my hw. Man, IRC setups are LAME. Just getitng lines of text you never want to read. Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 14:58 Lanaia wrote:
Well, fellas, I'm going to vote mderg.
You know why I'm going to vote mderg?
To coerce him into talking, of course.
mderg, how do you feel now? You're being voted.
Everywhere, you've said nothing of substance.
Everywhere, you haven't contributed. Get back in the game or my vote isn't moving. That's a promise. WTF? you're a semi vet i dont even know why you are fake pressuring a lurker. i thought youd learn by now that ITS NOT EVEN PRESSURE. But honestly, you're never bold in your actions so i cant say much about this except that its fucking terrible Oh ya, PM me if you want to talk to me on skype or IRC or TL. I will ignore all PMs that are straight up spam like this one. I will answer in public: no
I don't think Kenpachi is scum either.
Oh and Lanaia, very disappointed. I pointed out the same thing to Sentinel yesterday. You should know there is no point in "pressure" voting someone. You vote them and let them respond. You totally undermine your case here. I haven't seen anything scummy from Kenpachi aside from lurking but he what he has said seem "enthusiastic". Plus he noted your weak pressure vote. From what little reading I have done, Kenpachi either trolls or lurks most games, so this is not unusual. So no, Kenpachi is looking more town than scum right now.
Finally it looks like the zeurg man and Hufy are geniunely afk and will probably be mod-killed. Putting together my reads now.
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If i were to describe myself (i hate doing this), id say that Im completely unreadable (i think only 1 person was able to pinpoint my scumplay and he probably forgot my scum meta anyways l0l) because of my rash decisions, massive spamming, hardcore lurking, not making sense, having odd vote patterns and downright annoying people. all the time, people advocate to shoot me cause i do these things (which i am against. shooting cause you hate me is dumb!)
Now then, about your analysis. it was weak shit. I think i can tell you why its a scummy piece of garbage
Firstly to back up your point, you had quoted quotes that were not meant to be analyzed.
On February 13 2012 13:33 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 12:46 ghost_403 wrote:
Great, looks like I have to learn to use IRC. :/ its not much to learn. /join #WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT thats all you need
WHY would you even quote this to say im useless? thats desperation.
You find me contradict myself. I explained myself, im fucking tired. I wanted people to stop predominantly using IRC. lots of info gets lost down the drain in private messaging (Nisani made it public but WHO WANTS TO READ THE ENTIRE THING?) But i really didnt have much to say. Im not going to say random things i dont want to say. Im never obliged to contribute when i make a post. I want to SAY something COMPRENDO MY NEWBIE FRIEND?
Lastly, your IRC example was a fucking joke. Its also another sign of desperation. Derpladee who i think is prplhz was asking a non relevant question to my life, his life or anyone else's life. It was just a small chat that i ended quickly cause i didnt feel compelled to answer in great detail FOR THERE ISNT MUCH TO SAY ABOUT IT
FUCKING STUPID IDIOT NOW I HATE YOU NOW THAT I CAREFULLY THOUGHT THROUGH YOUR SHIT POST LOL
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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
im sorry but that analysis felt good.
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wow im a massive douche bag.
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On February 16 2012 07:32 Kenpachi wrote:
wow im a massive douche bag.
agree
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On February 16 2012 06:41 Mattchew wrote:
Lanaia you got mderg to talk how about now you contribute something that isn't related to counting people who have voted or setup based... Like an actual vote on someone you think is scum... For the amount of time you've spent in irc and hovering the thread you have very little content that you can put your name to... Posting this on iPhone during 5 min class break
Mhm....
I'll be switching to sinani.
He doesn't appear to be reading the thread as much as I'd hope.
Considering this post:
On February 15 2012 09:13 sinani206 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 09:13 Bluelightz wrote:
I feel like I'm Instant delurking but :/
Anyway,
Townie List:
Palmar
Probulous
Mattchew
prplhz
Scummy:
Sinani - Not a lot of contributions
townie lists are bad i honestly dont care if you think im scummy because no one else does
Time of post: 9:13, 15th of February.
We had a conversation in the IRC.
[13:27] <phagga> the person you mean mentioned him first on the 15th, 0913KST. At that point at least me and Mattchew had brought Sinani up as possible scum
[13:28] <phagga> in the thread. did not bother to check IRC logs, but I'm sure several others also mentionend him in here earlier
As I'm writing this post, I'm checking the IRC logs. As people kept confusing nisani for sinani, here is what I found:
[18:38:51] <Mattchew> phagga how do you feel about lynching mutliple people
[18:41:15] <Mattchew> and if you could choose 3 right now who would they be
[18:44:50] *** Joins: Uprising (green_guit@S010600085451c144.pi.shawcable.net)
[18:45:08] <Blazinghand> Mattchew what about you
[18:45:35] <Mattchew> I would kill nisani prphz and sentinal
This appears to have been on the 13th. You wouldn't want to kill someone you thought was town.
However, I rescanned the thread, and I found this:
On February 14 2012 06:26 Mattchew wrote:Sinani2062 games ago http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690&user=128360ACTIVEOutcome = Veteran: sinani206 last game Show nested quote +On February 02 2012 15:27 sinani206 wrote:
hi guys; just saw my role pm going to bed now, gnight outcome = Sinani206, Issisus the Pustulent, a Chaos Plaguebearer has been cast into the warp! This game Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 10:29 sinani206 wrote:
why do i always check tl an hour before the game starts and then not until 10 hours later...
going out to dinner now so be back in a few hours (its almost been 24 hours since this post I believe, and still nothing)outcome = ??
Now, I'm not saying it's the best case ever, but sinani was still called scum here, posted on the 14th.
If sinani isn't scum, I'm not sorry voting for him.
Kind of feels like he doesn't want to play.
Upon reading his contributions to the IRC, I found myself unimpressed, but unsurprised that I was unimpressed.
I know he can do better than this. As such, I see no reason not to lynch him.
Kenpachi, you need to calm down.
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On February 16 2012 07:28 Kenpachi wrote:
If i were to describe myself (i hate doing this), id say that Im completely unreadable (i think only 1 person was able to pinpoint my scumplay and he probably forgot my scum meta anyways l0l) because of my rash decisions, massive spamming, hardcore lurking, not making sense, having odd vote patterns and downright annoying people. all the time, people advocate to shoot me cause i do these things (which i am against. shooting cause you hate me is dumb!)
The reason why I wrote that post was to get you talking. And see, suddenly you're here. I did not cast a vote on you in case you didn't notice.
Now then, about your analysis. it was weak shit. Might be. I AM a newbie, and I know I still have a lot to learn. The case was also an exercise for me.
I think i can tell you why its a scummy piece of garbage Firstly to back up your point, you had quoted quotes that were not meant to be analyzed. Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 13:33 Kenpachi wrote:On February 13 2012 12:46 ghost_403 wrote:
Great, looks like I have to learn to use IRC. :/ its not much to learn. /join #WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT thats all you need WHY would you even quote this to say im useless? thats desperation.
I wanted to make a point by including all posts since game start. I wanted to make it obvious how many posts there were and how you did not contribute anything in those posts.
You find me contradict myself. I explained myself, im fucking tired. I wanted people to stop predominantly using IRC. lots of info gets lost down the drain in private messaging (Nisani made it public but WHO WANTS TO READ THE ENTIRE THING?) But i really didnt have much to say. Im not going to say random things i dont want to say. Im never obliged to contribute when i make a post. I want to SAY something COMPRENDO MY NEWBIE FRIEND?
Lastly, your IRC example was a fucking joke. Its also another sign of desperation. Derpladee who i think is prplhz was asking a non relevant question to my life, his life or anyone else's life. It was just a small chat that i ended quickly cause i didnt feel compelled to answer in great detail FOR THERE ISNT MUCH TO SAY ABOUT IT
you completely miss the point about the IRC example. I posted it to show that you did not contribute in IRC as well. That was all. It was not about what you actually talked in that short log.
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To get me talking? wtf? you think im just gonna let this go cause you "pressured" me? Why the hell would you pressure someone if you arent even going to take the time to think about what they are saying?
I said, i will be back later on but i also said i was busy. i am busy at this very moment (but w/e mafia ftw)
and you completely missed my point. i dont want to be in irc. ill go there if you ask me to go there
so now i think YOU are the one making the excuse. But w/e. Nothing i can say for certain yet.
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you think im just gonna let this go cause you "pressured" me?
I never said so.
so now i think YOU are the one making the excuse.
What excuse did I make? tell me, please.
and you completely missed my point. i dont want to be in irc.
I don't care if you want to be in IRC or not. I just checked all available sources for contributions of you and did not find any. That's why I posted it.
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On February 16 2012 04:27 ghost_403 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 04:12 SpiritClown wrote:
To mattchew
[...]
Saying I'm not scum or say I'm town it's very different... yeah -.-
And I'm not afraid to post my opinions... honestly about you I think either u are scum and are just trying to make me lynch using my errors to save a shot or either u are a towny trying to find me scum and make other people lynch me. Probably the second one i would think but i'm not sure... something about your behaviour and animosity it's making me think u might be scum, but that might be because you're attacking me
And saying I'm town in a MP it's the obvious thing to do... saying "i won't say to you" or say "i'm town" it's the same thing because everyone would say that.
Things you have contributed in this post: 1) Either Mattchew is a townie or he isn't. 2) ... This is a contentless post that does nothing to help us find scum. If you don't want to be lynched, you should suggest a better lynch. There are two good lynches on day 1: people who are scum and people who contribute nothing to the town. I am not convinced you are the first, but you definitely fit the second. You've got a few hours left to change my mind. ##Vote: SpiritClown
You also fit the second, hun. Just thought I'd let you know that.
Upon reading your filter in the IRC... I can't say you've contributed much else.
You've told me you haven't pm'd with anyone. So essentially, you have done nothing anywhere.
Prod people, provide your own opinions, probe probulous, I don't care. Just please, do something more than what you've been doing before you accuse someone of doing basically the same thing you're doing.
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Sentinel
His first major contribution to the thread was in regards to my request for Prpl’s PMs. Here he writes
On February 14 2012 10:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
The whole point of PM's is to gain trust. Now I just got here and I will NOT read 10 pages of argumentative text because I just did that for history class, but if I were prplhz I'd be PM'ing noobs to see if they give anything away, or they play legitimately. Experienced people can hide their true intonations.
This rang scummy to me. This is basically stating you support fishing for information from newbs. I have made it clear that I don’t like it (others clearly disagree), but this caught my eye.
Then he goes and says this
On February 15 2012 06:11 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:I will say though that Lanaia and prplhz were pretty much united through the last IRC log. If one of them flips scum, I can almost guarantee that that's the wolfpack... and with Sinani being cloudy between that exchange and the time I signed on, I have him in my sights too.
On February 15 2012 07:05 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm not saying he's scum because of that. In fact I even told him that he was in the right for doing that. I'm saying if either of you flip scum, the other probably is too.
This is really bad logic. Just because Lanaia defends Prpl’s actions does not mean they are on the same team. Sure it would make Lanaia look scummy if Prpl flipped red but here he says he would straight up vote for her. He would lynch her based off a prpl flip.
He takes up the argument in IRC
[22:27:05] <[UoN]Sentinel> if prplhz was struck down right this moment
[22:27:08] <[UoN]Sentinel> and flipped scum
[22:27:14] <[UoN]Sentinel> my vote would immediately go to lanaia
[22:27:18] <[UoN]Sentinel> and vice versa
[22:28:17] <[UoN]Sentinel> because they defend each other
Prpl never defended Lanaia, when asked he says
[22:30:19] <[UoN]Sentinel> right before sinani started talking about the pistachios
The only thing that Prpl mentions about Lanaia is
[00:41:46] <derpladee> you guys are morons lol
[00:41:53] <derpladee> like every single one of you except Lanaia here
Which is hardly defending given no-one was attacking Lanaia.
Sentinel has made a concerted effort to link Lanaia and prpl such that one’s alignment will confirm the other. Then he goes and undermines my case against zeurg right after I posted it. A vote for someone is worth nothing if you give them an ready made excuse not to reply. This is what Sentinel writes
This unsupported wouldn't be a strong case. I probably do something like that all the time...I'm going to cut off there. I'm still thinking that if it's zeurg's first time he could just be blue and scared of revealing this. I'll put FoS on him and cut him a little break because he's new, but I too expect to hear from him.
Sentinel supports fishing for information from newbs, tried really hard to link a Prpl flip with Lanaia and actively undermined my efforts to get zeurg to post.
##Vote [UoN]Sentinel
Sorry bro as much fun as you are, you rolled mafia this game.
PS: This is irrelevant to the case so it is in spoilers but I had a giggle
+ Show Spoiler +On February 13 2012 09:15 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Idea for IRC since it's being logged: Don't make
posts like this
where you type individual clauses
at a timeBut rather talk like this, preferably in 1 sentence or more. Even if you're not used to it (I always type in fragments too ) at least make an attempt for this one. That way it's easier to scroll through and find whatever post you're looking for.
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probe probulous
I love it when you say that 
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@lanaia
It's certainly a good point that you bring up. The exact same one that paperscraps brought up a few hours before you on IRC. Because most of us don't have the time to scrape through the logs, here is the interesting part for you.
<Paperscraps> ghost_403 stop bing scummy and have an opinion [19:46:57] <ghost_403> [19:46:59] <Paperscraps> none of this "i dont want to do anything d1 unless i am 100%" [19:47:11] <Paperscraps> time to man up [19:47:25] <ghost_403> i think spirit is a good lynch day 1 [19:47:34] <ghost_403> pretty sure i said that on the thread [19:47:59] *** Joins: Blazinghand (~blazingha@c-76-126-243-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) [19:48:20] <ghost_403> prplhz and lanaia have felt a bit scummy to me, but not enough to do anything about it yet [19:48:34] <ghost_403> i don't like how he fished for roles (oh sorry, breaking the ice) [19:48:48] <ghost_403> then wasted my time while i tried to figure out why [19:48:57] <ghost_403> but i don't think that that is a good enough reason to lynch him [19:49:15] <ghost_403> lanaia follows just because she was the only one on irc defending him [19:49:22] <ghost_403> but again, that's a bad reason to lynch someone [19:49:42] <ghost_403> in the meantime, spirit contributes nothing, and does smell of scum for the reasons mattchew pointed out in thread [19:50:01] <ghost_403> i think he's a good lynch for the time being [19:50:33] <ghost_403> ./man up [19:50:42] <Paperscraps>
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So, I think we should kill sinani206. The reason is quite simple. He has refused to contribute in to the thread in a manner that might actually help us find scum. Yet he's fine with hopping into the thread to call some random play bad. That's just posting for the sake of posting.
On February 15 2012 09:13 sinani206 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 09:13 Bluelightz wrote:
I feel like I'm Instant delurking but :/
Anyway,
Townie List:
Palmar
Probulous
Mattchew
prplhz
Scummy:
Sinani - Not a lot of contributions
townie lists are bad i honestly dont care if you think im scummy because no one else does
This post serves no purpose in the thread. It's not even correct, while lacking any reasoning these lists aren't terribly useful, they at least give me an idea of how the player posting them is approaching the game.
On February 15 2012 09:54 sinani206 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 09:17 Palmar wrote:
I think you're scummy sinani206. I think you're being cocky and playing to your normally useless meta to hide the fact you have very little opinion on the game as it stands right now.
What do you think about that? i'd rather not hide any facts. i don't have any opinions.
Normally when townies are cocky it's because they think they're right, but sinani is actually being cocky without even attempting to be right. Like being cocky isn't a scumtell in itself, because usually it's townies that are assholes. But the way in which sinani is doing it is very scummy.
The fact is, it's now very late in the day because of the strange deadline. And sinani has shown no interest in the game at all. The way in which he has shown and described complete disinterest in the game makes him very likely to flip scum.
I suggest we make him at least one of our kills for today.
##Vote sinani206
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in addition, I hate playing with sinani, so killing him is always a net gain for town.
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Is sinani206 on meta the best lynch today? Since you were a supporter of multiple lynches, who else do you think we should lynch today? There are plenty of cases in the thread to pick from.
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This has nothing to do with meta. Why do you try so hard to paint this like it's meta? Actually, if I included meta I'd be less inclined to lynch him.
His best defense is actually meta, because yes, there have been games where he's been completely and utterly useless as town. It just seems to me that in those games (look at steamship), there were reasons to believe he's town even with how useless he is.
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I'm voting Sinani206
He is being useless, in 6 post's he has contributed nothing examples:
On February 15 2012 09:54 sinani206 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 09:17 Palmar wrote:
I think you're scummy sinani206. I think you're being cocky and playing to your normally useless meta to hide the fact you have very little opinion on the game as it stands right now.
What do you think about that? i'd rather not hide any facts. i don't have any opinions.
In conclusion, ##Vote: Sinani206
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On February 16 2012 05:09 phagga wrote:
My top 3 lynch candidates (in alphabetical order):
Kenpachi
Sinani206
Spiritclown
Other suspicious ppl:
zeurg: actively avoiding participation
mderg: barely active, only posting excuses, no content
On February 16 2012 08:51 phagga wrote:
##vote [UoN]Sentinel
On February 16 2012 09:05 phagga wrote:
##unvote [UoN]Sentinel
##vote sinani206
Hey phagga. What's up?
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^^ I am still waiting for him to post his reasons for that. I asked him IRC and he said he would. He even said it was a stupid mistake and he still hasn't said anything.
@Palmar:
You left IRC before I could respond to you. I don't know why I thought you said dangerous, the word you used was worrying. Here is the exchange.
[00:23:46] <Bluelightz> Palmar what do you think of Double Lynching Zeurg & Sentinel based on Sentinel's defense of him? [00:23:57] <Palmar> I think that's terrible Bluelightz [00:23:57] <Bluelightz> Oh XLVII lol [00:24:00] <derpladee> and i pushed 3 mislynches in SNMMIV [00:24:21] <Palmar> You can never deduce anything about anyone's alignment from someone else [00:24:27] <Bluelightz> kk [00:24:29] <Palmar> that's giving mafia cards [00:24:31] <derpladee> only sentinel can do that [00:24:44] <Palmar> also, I don't think those two people are the most worrying figures
You seemed to imply that Sentinel and Zeurg were not the most worrying figures and that you had others on your list. At first I thought you meant you had two people who were more worrying but now I read again you could have just meant these two were not worth the effort. Given sinani has done nothing, I would hardly call him worrying, is he the person you had in mind when you wrote this?
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typical game with me in it:
i die day one.
town wastes a lynch.
then town loses.
also, kenpachi is right over the last few pages about a lot of stuff
and also i hate bandwagons. a lot.
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On February 16 2012 10:10 sinani206 wrote:
typical game with me in it:
i die day one.
town wastes a lynch.
then town loses.
also, kenpachi is right over the last few pages about a lot of stuff
and also i hate bandwagons. a lot.
why do you typically die day 1
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Meh.
##Vote: SpiritWolf
Everybody should start voting so that we can organize the double lynch.
Kenpachi scum by the way.
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There is no SpiritWolf, you seek the Clown...
Go west and you will find what you are looking for
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On February 16 2012 10:13 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 10:10 sinani206 wrote:
typical game with me in it:
i die day one.
town wastes a lynch.
then town loses.
also, kenpachi is right over the last few pages about a lot of stuff
and also i hate bandwagons. a lot. why do you typically die day 1
cause im bad
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On February 16 2012 10:53 sinani206 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 10:13 Mattchew wrote:On February 16 2012 10:10 sinani206 wrote:
typical game with me in it:
i die day one.
town wastes a lynch.
then town loses.
also, kenpachi is right over the last few pages about a lot of stuff
and also i hate bandwagons. a lot. why do you typically die day 1 cause im bad
find me scum that hasn't attacked you and doesn't make you look bitter
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Busy day today, swim practice and stayed late in school. I'll argue my defense tomorrow either during programming class or when I get home.
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Fuck a defense just do some valid scum hunting
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Reminder to self: cycle ends in 10 hours 45 minutes
wake up in time damn it
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I'm voting for phagga because he's mafia.
He's only analyzed "easy" targets so far, me and Kenpachi, and is pretending to contribute by making these his main posts, when either everyone else has already said something similar or it unnecessary for him to say it. This play is very scummy, and enough to earn a Day 1 vote.
##Vote: phagga
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I changed my vote over to Spiritclown
People I would be ok with lynching today:
Spiritclown
phagga
Sinani206
[UoN]Sentinel
Preferably two of the above.
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Alright everyone, I am leaving now. I haven't heard anything from Sentinel except that he will likely post a defense. There is still about 9hrs to go but I will not be logging back onto TL. Ive been on here all day (Aus time) and no one has convinced me to change to my vote. Besides, we have a plurality lynch so it is not like I am preventing you guys from choosing someone else.
See you tomorrow.
PS: Paperscraps, explain your ninja vote. Don't think I didn't notice.
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On February 16 2012 14:36 Probulous wrote:
Alright everyone, I am leaving now. I haven't heard anything from Sentinel except that he will likely post a defense. There is still about 9hrs to go but I will not be logging back onto TL. Ive been on here all day (Aus time) and no one has convinced me to change to my vote. Besides, we have a plurality lynch so it is not like I am preventing you guys from choosing someone else.
See you tomorrow.
PS: Paperscraps, explain your ninja vote. Don't think I didn't notice.
How is it a ninja vote? Do you not see the post right above yours?
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Just got home from work. Quick post before the lady of the house arrives home.
@Paperscraps.
I wrote that post when you were writing yours, hence my follow up about ninjas in the wind. I see now that my word choice was probably not best. So no I did not see your post when I wrote that.
Still nothing from Sentinel, so my vote stands. Looking forward to a greener town tomorrow with less mafia to muddy the waters.
Goodnight all
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On February 16 2012 10:15 prplhz wrote:
Meh.
##Vote: SpiritWolf
Everybody should start voting so that we can organize the double lynch.
Kenpachi scum by the way.
you're bad
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On February 16 2012 14:00 sinani206 wrote:
I'm voting for phagga because he's mafia.
He's only analyzed "easy" targets so far, me and Kenpachi, and is pretending to contribute by making these his main posts, when either everyone else has already said something similar or it unnecessary for him to say it. This play is very scummy, and enough to earn a Day 1 vote.
##Vote: phagga
Do you have any further interest in playing this game?
Have you read through the IRC logs? What do you think of the people there. Do you agree with my sentiment that it's less likely scum would be active in instant communication channels?
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I have no reason to believe phagga is scum. I'd much rather lynch either sentinel or spiritclown.
I guess spiritclown would be my primary choice for a secondary candidate. In addition, we need to consolidate our votes on two people.
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For Player Reference:
Vote count as of 7:35 PM KST (4 Hours and 25 minutes to deadline)
5 Votes:
sinani206 - rgTheSchworz, Lanaia, Palmar, phagga, Bluelightz
3 Votes:
Spiritclown - Mattchew, ghost_403, Paperscraps
2 Votes:
phagga - Kenpachi, sinani206
1 Vote:
[UoN]Sentinel - Probulous
zeurg - [UoN]Sentinel
Bluelightz - Grackaroni
NOT VOTED
Spiritclown, Hufy, prplhz, zeurg, froggynoddy, mderg
Please PM your Night Actions/Orders before the deadline.
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@Ghost_403
While in the IRC yesterday, I was under the impression that we were reaching a consens on a double lynch, and on the exact targets. It later turned out that I was wrong, hence i switched back to the person that I have made a case on and that I want to get hanged, Sinani206.
I have pasted below the relevant lines from the IRC log. There was a lot going on, so I cut out some stuff to show which strain of the communication was deciding.
+ Show Spoiler +[23:25:57] <Palmar> I think we should kill sentinel and sinani [23:26:47] <Lanaia> can't say I disagree. [23:26:57] <phagga> so doublelynch sentinel and sinani then? [...] [23:27:23] <Probulous> Well that satisfies me. I don't really care about sinani, he isn't doing anything. Does he ever contribute? [...] [23:46:48] <Probulous> I don't think Ghost is a decent lynch today. So he has at least another day to put something together. I think the targets we have are better. [23:49:00] <Probulous> @Palmar, just checking, the only way we can vote two or more players off at once is if we have a tie right? [23:49:13] <Palmar> that's how I understand it probulous [23:49:58] <Probulous> Ok, so then it would be good to get the votes aligned as soon as possible and watch for people switching off...
This line from Probulous was the reason I wanted to go voting. I was under the impression that several people were going to coordinate a doublelynch. I counted the current votes and saw 3 on Sinani, 1 on Sentinel. I knew I had a case on Sinani, but thought since we want to align our votes I'm going for Sentinel to get them both to equal counts. In hindsight, this was a bad decision, as there were some many more people to still vote that it would not have mattered if I just went for Sinani.
+ Show Spoiler +[23:50:16] <phagga> k, then I'm gonna vote now too [...] [23:51:49] <phagga> voted on Sentinel [...] [23:52:35] <Probulous> @phagga, Why? did you post your reasoning in thread? let me check...
This confused me, because not 3 minutes ago, Probulous said himself that he thought we should align our votes.
+ Show Spoiler +[23:52:49] <phagga> eeeh? [23:53:00] <phagga> you guys said we're gonna vote on sinani and sentinel [23:53:03] <phagga> i agreed with that [23:53:09] <Lanaia> you still should say something in the thread. [23:53:12] <phagga> there are 3 votes on sinani, and 1 on sentinel [23:53:14] <Lanaia> or people will go omghesscum. [23:53:17] <phagga> so I went for Sentinel [23:53:22] <phagga> hmm, true [23:53:58] <Probulous> you have not mentioned sentinel once, that's why [23:54:10] <phagga> that is absolutely true [23:54:21] <phagga> ok, sorry, stupid error from me [23:54:23] <phagga> I'll fix it
Here I realised that I had interpreted to much into that one sentence. I started to make a case vs Sentinel, but then thought it was stupid to make a case vs a person that I originally dit not have on my radar. I tried to get more information out on how commited people were to make a coordinated double lynch.
+ Show Spoiler +[23:58:18] <phagga> I guess it's ok if I mention in the thread that we decided to double lynch? [...] [23:58:33] <Palmar> we should be double lynching [...] [00:03:22] <phagga> Ok, seriously folks, do we now agree on doublelynching sinani and sentinel? [...] [00:03:50] <Probulous> why do you need to know phagga, make up your own mind
At this point I realised that it was an error to vote on Sentinel for the reasons that I did. I wrote on last time:
+ Show Spoiler +[00:04:49] <phagga> because I thought we wanted to make an organised doulbe lynch
But got no answer. So I switched my vote to Sinani206.
Why Sinani206? I made a case on him, that stuff is still valid: Did not contribute, no content, interrupted an ongoing discussion. Since then he also attacked prplhz, his arguments:
+ Show Spoiler +20120215.log:[01:21:38] <Sinani206> holy fuck prpl is obvscum 20120215.log:[01:21:41] <Sinani206> also im not 20120215.log:[01:21:48] <Sinani206> so dont be up for a sinanilynch 20120215.log:[01:22:01] <Sinani206> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=1351443820120215.log:[01:22:18] <Sinani206> matt is so right 20120215.log:[01:22:26] <Sinani206> (not about me)
He just refers Mattchews case. But wait! there is more!
+ Show Spoiler +20120215.log:[01:23:01] <Sinani206> also this: On February 11 2012 06:45 prplhz wrote:
20120215.log:[01:23:03] <Sinani206> I'm going to play exactly like I usually do.
20120215.log:[01:23:03] <Sinani206> If I deviate in any way I should be summarily lynched.
20120215.log:[01:23:22] <Sinani206> and then proceeds to spam the shit out of every living thing
Or not. This was already posted by Probulous almost one day earlier:
+ Show Spoiler +On February 14 2012 06:30 Probulous wrote:Besides this whilst he has a page of posts they collectively say nothing. He stated before game Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 06:45 prplhz wrote:
I'm going to play exactly like I usually do.
If I deviate in any way I should be summarily lynched. Compare this play to his previous game Click me where he shot nisani206 night one and was actively leading town.
So no own opinion. Mind you, this was at a time where most people were no longer thinking of prplhz as scummy. So he accusing a player of being mafia and does not have a single own reason or analysis about it.
Combined with the other points above:
##Vote Sinani206
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On February 15 2012 13:25 Paperscraps wrote:Read on Sinani = Null I don't have a read on Sinani. I don't know the meta. Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 09:13 sinani206 wrote:On February 15 2012 09:13 Bluelightz wrote:
I feel like I'm Instant delurking but :/
Anyway,
Townie List:
Palmar
Probulous
Mattchew
prplhz
Scummy:
Sinani - Not a lot of contributions
townie lists are bad i honestly dont care if you think im scummy because no one else does This is a good point. The scum teams know who the majority of the town is, but they don't know who is on the other scum team, so keep town reads to a minimum. By not making town lists we increase the chances of scum hitting each other.
On February 16 2012 14:34 Paperscraps wrote:
I changed my vote over to Spiritclown
People I would be ok with lynching today:
Spiritclown
phagga
Sinani206
[UoN]Sentinel
Preferably two of the above.
What made you change your mind?
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Let's go for the double lynch on spiritclown/Sinani.
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So we keep them at 5 votes each, do not vote any more on either candidate. Just vote randomly for someone that hasn't got votes.
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Hello all, sorry Its been a bit of a while, had a bball game yesterday and was too tired to do anything but have a bath and crash, will be on IRC this pm though.
Right, my reads:
Scummy
Firstly I would like to say I'm finding it really difficult to differentiate scummy with bad/noob play. That, and the fact that its Day 1 does not give me much confidence in my reads.
In no particular order:
1. Spiritclown
[20:45:53] <SpiritClown> since we want u to suffer we will not shoot or lynch u Schworz ^^
Similar to what Paperscraps said this does not sit well with me. Again this could be language issues or just finding the game difficult (God knows I am). But both these factors could induce a slip-up though. His rather weak response seams to go in that direction also:
And prob the thing about shooting i was referring to town blues and it was also a joke -.-
Could still be just an honest slip up but this early in the game any evidence seems to be worth acting on.
2. [UoN]Sentinel
Claiming to be scum seems like a stupid move, both as scum and as townie. Its probably a slightly stupider move as scum as he was talking to someone who seems to be regarded as townier than most... thats a thin defence though.
[01:39:43] <Paperscraps> sentinel you town bro? [01:39:54] <[UoN]Sentinel> no [01:39:55] <[UoN]Sentinel> i'm scum [01:39:59] <Paperscraps> k [01:40:03] <[UoN]Sentinel> in fact i'm going to kill you tonight
People I think might not be scum but aren't helping town much:
1. Sinani 206: As said previously you just don't seem to care. That hurts town as it makes you a suspect.
typical game with me in it:
i die day one.
town wastes a lynch.
then town loses.
also, kenpachi is right over the last few pages about a lot of stuff
and also i hate bandwagons. a lot.
cause im bad
Time to rethink your style of play perhaps?
2. Grackaroni: Ever since people have stopped suspecting you you have taken a back seat (apart form your tunnelling of Bluelightz.)
3. Zeurg: Inactivity hurts town. Looks like scum, makes us waste a lynch if not scum.
4. Kenpachi: Apart from defending yourself, being a bit dickish and telling everyone how much IRC sucks I don't see much substance. Obv nothing meriting a scum read yet but I don't like you. Saying that you are unpredictable as both scum and townie means that you cause as much chaos as a person can do. You would therefore not be a loss to town.
People I'm Worried about:
Palmar: I'm worried mainly due to your reputation and your relatively weak case against sinani:
+ Show Spoiler +Palmar Iceland. February 16 2012 08:39. Posts 4747 PM Profile Blog Report Quote #
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So, I think we should kill sinani206. The reason is quite simple. He has refused to contribute in to the thread in a manner that might actually help us find scum. Yet he's fine with hopping into the thread to call some random play bad. That's just posting for the sake of posting.
On February 15 2012 09:13 sinani206 wrote:
Show nested quote +
townie lists are bad
i honestly dont care if you think im scummy because no one else does
This post serves no purpose in the thread. It's not even correct, while lacking any reasoning these lists aren't terribly useful, they at least give me an idea of how the player posting them is approaching the game.
On February 15 2012 09:54 sinani206 wrote:
Show nested quote +
i'd rather not hide any facts. i don't have any opinions.
Normally when townies are cocky it's because they think they're right, but sinani is actually being cocky without even attempting to be right. Like being cocky isn't a scumtell in itself, because usually it's townies that are assholes. But the way in which sinani is doing it is very scummy.
The fact is, it's now very late in the day because of the strange deadline. And sinani has shown no interest in the game at all. The way in which he has shown and described complete disinterest in the game makes him very likely to flip scum.
I suggest we make him at least one of our kills for today.
##Vote sinani206
which is pretty weak, saying nothing about others players who are equally damaging to town. I realise this may be purposeful but... am worried. The only thing that makes me less worried is you said this pretty early on:
I think we should murder sinani206. At worst nothing of value will have been lost.
Still, not liking someone does not make them scum, otherwise I would vote Kenpachi.
I have opinions about other players but this post has gone on for long enough.
Due to the above and current vote standings, and Town seems to want a double lynch I am therefore:
##Vote Spiritclown
PS: You have a great name. Small consolation I know.
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Difference is Kenpachi is being stubborn asshole in a townie way, sinani206 is being a stubborn asshole in a scummy way.
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On February 16 2012 21:59 froggynoddy wrote:Hello all, sorry Its been a bit of a while, had a bball game yesterday and was too tired to do anything but have a bath and crash, will be on IRC this pm though. Right, my reads: ScummyFirstly I would like to say I'm finding it really difficult to differentiate scummy with bad/noob play. That, and the fact that its Day 1 does not give me much confidence in my reads.In no particular order: 1. Spiritclown Show nested quote +[20:45:53] <SpiritClown> since we want u to suffer we will not shoot or lynch u Schworz ^^ Similar to what Paperscraps said this does not sit well with me. Again this could be language issues or just finding the game difficult (God knows I am). But both these factors could induce a slip-up though. His rather weak response seams to go in that direction also: Show nested quote +And prob the thing about shooting i was referring to town blues and it was also a joke -.- Could still be just an honest slip up but this early in the game any evidence seems to be worth acting on. 2. [UoN]Sentinel Claiming to be scum seems like a stupid move, both as scum and as townie. Its probably a slightly stupider move as scum as he was talking to someone who seems to be regarded as townier than most... thats a thin defence though. Show nested quote +[01:39:43] <Paperscraps> sentinel you town bro? [01:39:54] <[UoN]Sentinel> no [01:39:55] <[UoN]Sentinel> i'm scum [01:39:59] <Paperscraps> k [01:40:03] <[UoN]Sentinel> in fact i'm going to kill you tonight People I think might not be scum but aren't helping town much:1. Sinani 206: As said previously you just don't seem to care. That hurts town as it makes you a suspect. Show nested quote +typical game with me in it:
i die day one.
town wastes a lynch.
then town loses.
also, kenpachi is right over the last few pages about a lot of stuff
and also i hate bandwagons. a lot. Time to rethink your style of play perhaps? 2. Grackaroni: Ever since people have stopped suspecting you you have taken a back seat (apart form your tunnelling of Bluelightz.) 3. Zeurg: Inactivity hurts town. Looks like scum, makes us waste a lynch if not scum. 4. Kenpachi: Apart from defending yourself, being a bit dickish and telling everyone how much IRC sucks I don't see much substance. Obv nothing meriting a scum read yet but I don't like you. Saying that you are unpredictable as both scum and townie means that you cause as much chaos as a person can do. You would therefore not be a loss to town. People I'm Worried about:Palmar: I'm worried mainly due to your reputation and your relatively weak case against sinani: + Show Spoiler +Palmar Iceland. February 16 2012 08:39. Posts 4747 PM Profile Blog Report Quote #
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So, I think we should kill sinani206. The reason is quite simple. He has refused to contribute in to the thread in a manner that might actually help us find scum. Yet he's fine with hopping into the thread to call some random play bad. That's just posting for the sake of posting.
On February 15 2012 09:13 sinani206 wrote:
Show nested quote +
townie lists are bad
i honestly dont care if you think im scummy because no one else does
This post serves no purpose in the thread. It's not even correct, while lacking any reasoning these lists aren't terribly useful, they at least give me an idea of how the player posting them is approaching the game.
On February 15 2012 09:54 sinani206 wrote:
Show nested quote +
i'd rather not hide any facts. i don't have any opinions.
Normally when townies are cocky it's because they think they're right, but sinani is actually being cocky without even attempting to be right. Like being cocky isn't a scumtell in itself, because usually it's townies that are assholes. But the way in which sinani is doing it is very scummy.
The fact is, it's now very late in the day because of the strange deadline. And sinani has shown no interest in the game at all. The way in which he has shown and described complete disinterest in the game makes him very likely to flip scum.
I suggest we make him at least one of our kills for today.
##Vote sinani206 which is pretty weak, saying nothing about others players who are equally damaging to town. I realise this may be purposeful but... am worried. The only thing that makes me less worried is you said this pretty early on: Show nested quote +I think we should murder sinani206. At worst nothing of value will have been lost. Still, not liking someone does not make them scum, otherwise I would vote Kenpachi. I have opinions about other players but this post has gone on for long enough. Due to the above and current vote standings, and Town seems to want a double lynch I am therefore: ##Vote SpiritclownPS: You have a great name. Small consolation I know.
WTF is this... you hang tomorrow
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Vote count as of 10:20 PM KST (1 Hours and 40 minutes to deadline)
6 Votes:
Spiritclown - Mattchew, ghost_403, Paperscraps, Grackaroni, prplhz, froggynoddy
5 Votes:
sinani206 - rgTheSchworz, Lanaia, Palmar, phagga, Bluelightz
2 Votes:
phagga - Kenpachi, sinani206
1 Vote:
[UoN]Sentinel - Probulous
zeurg - [UoN]Sentinel
NOT VOTED
Spiritclown, Hufy, zeurg, mderg
Please PM your Night Actions/Orders before the deadline.
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On February 16 2012 22:21 Mattchew wrote:
##unvote: Spiritclown
##vote: Qatol
making the count 5 to 5
leaving this here to counter any last minute scum shanigans
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Not sure you can actually vote people outside of the game
Just vote me or something.
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4. You may vote for yourself. You may vote for anyone dead or outside the game; BUT IT WILL HAVE CONSEQUENCES.
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Oh wait you can, suit yourself.
4. You may vote for yourself. You may vote for anyone dead or outside the game; BUT IT WILL HAVE CONSEQUENCES.
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WTF is this... you hang tomorrow
Why???
+ Show Spoiler +Vote count as of 9:20 PM KST (2 Hours and 40 minutes to deadline)
6 Votes:
Spiritclown - Mattchew, ghost_403, Paperscraps, Grackaroni, prplhz, froggynoddy
5 Votes:
sinani206 - rgTheSchworz, Lanaia, Palmar, phagga, Bluelightz
2 Votes:
phagga - Kenpachi, sinani206
1 Vote:
[UoN]Sentinel - Probulous
zeurg - [UoN]Sentinel
NOT VOTED
Spiritclown, Hufy, zeurg, mderg
Please PM your Night Actions/Orders before the deadline.
This makes things difficult. As I was posting we needed votes on SC to double lynch. Spirit Clown is yet to vote. If I take off my vote, he can vote for Sinani and save himself. Unless you guys have worked it out better than I have I will keep my vote on him, as his best chance is to vote for sinani and convince others to do so also. If he does and they don't, we have a double lynch, if he votes on random 3rd party, then he could be protecting Sinani, which at least gives us something to work with.
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On February 16 2012 22:27 froggynoddy wrote:Why??? + Show Spoiler +Vote count as of 9:20 PM KST (2 Hours and 40 minutes to deadline)
6 Votes:
Spiritclown - Mattchew, ghost_403, Paperscraps, Grackaroni, prplhz, froggynoddy
5 Votes:
sinani206 - rgTheSchworz, Lanaia, Palmar, phagga, Bluelightz
2 Votes:
phagga - Kenpachi, sinani206
1 Vote:
[UoN]Sentinel - Probulous
zeurg - [UoN]Sentinel
NOT VOTED
Spiritclown, Hufy, zeurg, mderg
Please PM your Night Actions/Orders before the deadline. This makes things difficult. As I was posting we needed votes on SC to double lynch. Spirit Clown is yet to vote. If I take off my vote, he can vote for Sinani and save himself. Unless you guys have worked it out better than I have I will keep my vote on him, as his best chance is to vote for sinani and convince others to do so also. If he does and they don't, we have a double lynch, if he votes on random 3rd party, then he could be protecting Sinani, which at least gives us something to work with.
If this happens, our vigilantes will know exactly what to do.
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Hang on, am being an idiot, Sinani has a vote to. Will unvote and hope they both vote for each other. Apologies.
##Unvote Spiritclown
##Vote [UoN]Sentinel
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EBWOP: Ignore last post. Just seen that Mattchew switched. Am so sorry, complete facepalm moment.
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froggy pay attention.
vote spirit
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Problem here is that sinani206 can easily change his vote to SpiritClown to save himself and vice versa.
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On February 16 2012 22:38 Mattchew wrote:
froggy pay attention.
vote spirit
I know... Complete and utter fool. I understand your accusation now. I feel so stupid
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Ciry says 1h.15 to lynch in voting thread.
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On February 16 2012 22:41 prplhz wrote:
Problem here is that sinani206 can easily change his vote to SpiritClown to save himself and vice versa.
this is why im on whitney
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On February 16 2012 23:00 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 22:41 prplhz wrote:
Problem here is that sinani206 can easily change his vote to SpiritClown to save himself and vice versa. this is why im on whitney
gross
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okay, if any vote switches or weird stuff happens. I will be the one fixing it. No one else try to respond by changing their vote
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Just got in from school. Havent been on for 36 h. my vote stays on sinani as he reacted badly to pressure/
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stupid me... didn´t get my bus home, so I wasn´t able to vote in time
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On February 17 2012 00:33 mderg wrote:stupid me... didn´t get my bus home, so I wasn´t able to vote in time
you had 60... 60 hours
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I planned to vote when I got home today because I wasn´t sure where to place my vote. It would have worked fine...
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who were you going to votE?
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Quick and Dirty Update so we can get back in business.
Spiritclown was placid as he and his officemate sinani were led to the PCs in the middle of the plaza. It was a gruesome way to go mad, to be forced to watch Deezer stream-snipe all day without food, water or sleep. It was useless protesting that they were just regular forumers... and that other more sinister forces were still around.
Kenpachi heard a rumble as he was rudely awakened by the sound of animals all around his house. Apparently somebody had thought of a prank to play on him, but he was rudely awakened by the sight of Mattchew's body on his front door, stomped to death. But that was replaced with glass-eyed shock, as he heard a snarling voice saying: "You shall pay for what you did to him. We are the elite. And we do not forget." as an icy dagger plunged deep into his neck.
Spiritclown and sinani206 the Vanilla Townies were lynched
Kenpachi the Vanilla Townie and Mattchew the Corrupted were hunted
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I would have placed my vote on hufy to get sinani and spiritclown lynched
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oh wow
seriously, I'm reporting sinani for playing against his win condition.
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Hufy, zeurg must PM me WITHIN 12 hours or else I will have to replace/modkill them
47 hours and 9 minutes to Next Deadline
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It makes no sense to not just modkill or replace them right now, as well as mderg.
6. Voting is mandatory. You may NOT abstain.
If even one of those people are scum, this game is bullshit because they just got away from a day without doing anything. That's blatantly cheating.
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Double lynch, eh?
Though I was trolling at the start, please listen to me next time.
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Double lynching is good. only not when people play against their win condition.
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Agree with palmar completely in regards to modkills.
Nothing is wrong with the double lynch. I'd willingly support it again.
Will post at some point after class.
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Okay... froggy, I was going to answer to my defense.
Then I see this as evidence against me.
On February 16 2012 21:59 froggynoddy wrote:2. [UoN]Sentinel Claiming to be scum seems like a stupid move, both as scum and as townie. Its probably a slightly stupider move as scum as he was talking to someone who seems to be regarded as townier than most... thats a thin defence though. Show nested quote +[01:39:43] <Paperscraps> sentinel you town bro? [01:39:54] <[UoN]Sentinel> no [01:39:55] <[UoN]Sentinel> i'm scum [01:39:59] <Paperscraps> k [01:40:03] <[UoN]Sentinel> in fact i'm going to kill you tonight
Why is first Paper and now you voting me for the simple fact that I used sarcasm? Did Paperscraps die? Did Ciryandor say that somewhere and I missed it?
Oh jeez, I must be scum, I used sarcasm... on the internet! That is punishable by death through lynching! /sarcasm so you don't go around thinking I'm confessing again.
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EBWOP: I'm for double lynch as well.
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I've seen scum actually claim scum before, but I really don't think it means anything. Avoiding that part of what he's said, froggynoddy, why else do you think he's scum?
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On February 16 2012 08:19 Probulous wrote:Sentinel His first major contribution to the thread was in regards to my request for Prpl’s PMs. Here he writes Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 10:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
The whole point of PM's is to gain trust. Now I just got here and I will NOT read 10 pages of argumentative text because I just did that for history class, but if I were prplhz I'd be PM'ing noobs to see if they give anything away, or they play legitimately. Experienced people can hide their true intonations. This rang scummy to me. This is basically stating you support fishing for information from newbs. I have made it clear that I don’t like it (others clearly disagree), but this caught my eye.
If I were scum, I'd do my best to deny PMing them in the first place. Now prp was saying "I'm not revealing any other names", but IIRC he didn't even make the slightest attempt of discrediting SpiritClown.
Then he goes and says this Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 06:11 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:I will say though that Lanaia and prplhz were pretty much united through the last IRC log. If one of them flips scum, I can almost guarantee that that's the wolfpack... and with Sinani being cloudy between that exchange and the time I signed on, I have him in my sights too. Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 07:05 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm not saying he's scum because of that. In fact I even told him that he was in the right for doing that. I'm saying if either of you flip scum, the other probably is too. This is really bad logic. Just because Lanaia defends Prpl’s actions does not mean they are on the same team. Sure it would make Lanaia look scummy if Prpl flipped red but here he says he would straight up vote for her. He would lynch her based off a prpl flip. He takes up the argument in IRC Show nested quote +[22:27:05] <[UoN]Sentinel> if prplhz was struck down right this moment
[22:27:08] <[UoN]Sentinel> and flipped scum
[22:27:14] <[UoN]Sentinel> my vote would immediately go to lanaia
[22:27:18] <[UoN]Sentinel> and vice versa
[22:28:17] <[UoN]Sentinel> because they defend each other Prpl never defended Lanaia, when asked he says Show nested quote +[22:30:19] <[UoN]Sentinel> right before sinani started talking about the pistachios The only thing that Prpl mentions about Lanaia is Show nested quote +[00:41:46] <derpladee> you guys are morons lol
[00:41:53] <derpladee> like every single one of you except Lanaia here Which is hardly defending given no-one was attacking Lanaia. Sentinel has made a concerted effort to link Lanaia and prpl such that one’s alignment will confirm the other.
And retracted it that same day... weren't you in IRC when I said "I give up?" I mean it's still scummy, I'll admit that, but I've made decisions like this on less evidence. Like when I voted risk.nuke in Hammer Mafia.
There was more, but that wouldn't support your "concerted argument for nothing" argument now, would it?
Then he goes and undermines my case against zeurg right after I posted it. A vote for someone is worth nothing if you give them an ready made excuse not to reply. This is what Sentinel writes Show nested quote +This unsupported wouldn't be a strong case. I probably do something like that all the time...I'm going to cut off there. I'm still thinking that if it's zeurg's first time he could just be blue and scared of revealing this. I'll put FoS on him and cut him a little break because he's new, but I too expect to hear from him.
Read the last eight words I wrote in that quote and you'll see why you are wrong.
Sentinel supports fishing for information from newbs, tried really hard to link a Prpl flip with Lanaia and actively undermined my efforts to get zeurg to post.
"Tried really hard" you give me way too much credit. I logged onto IRC, played with the idea for a few minutes, gave up when I got called out by both of them, and end of story.
As for undermining your efforts, sometimes just because you think someone is scum... doesn't mean they're actually scum! Because there's an explanation for almost everything that can point to them being a townie, and mislynching won't do jackshit. Once he gets modkilled we'll see.
##Vote [UoN]SentinelSorry bro as much fun as you are, you rolled mafia this game. PS: This is irrelevant to the case so it is in spoilers but I had a giggle + Show Spoiler +On February 13 2012 09:15 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Idea for IRC since it's being logged: Don't make
posts like this
where you type individual clauses
at a timeBut rather talk like this, preferably in 1 sentence or more. Even if you're not used to it (I always type in fragments too ) at least make an attempt for this one. That way it's easier to scroll through and find whatever post you're looking for.
Bahahahaha I'm a hypocrite.
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Prplhz, it seems like you're trying to communicate something to us. What is it?
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SHITTING ME? DAY 1 DEATH TWO GAMES IN A ROW?
haters gonna hate
u gotta sk8 gg
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sup, prplhz?
I've had my eye on you for a while now, and I've made that known to plenty of people. Two reasons I haven't put it in a "I think you're scum" post before now: 1) I haven't had enough evidence to make a compelling case yet, and 2) I believe it was palmar talked me out of it. In retrospect, palmar had a weak argument, and I finally have the proof I need.
AND NOW I PRESENT MY CASE AGAINST [red]PRPLHZ[\red]:
1) You open up the game with role fishing. When I asked you about it, you spent literally an hour and a half running around in circles claiming that there was nothing wrong with it. I asked you if you had a good reason for it, and you decided instead that the burden of proof should be on me to somehow prove that it was scummy. I said what you did was scummy, the burden of proof is on you.
Post by ghost_403
2) You're final answer for why you did it was "I was breaking the ice". That's fine. This is a game where you have to interact with people, a lot, in order to figure out what's going on. THERE ARE SO MANY BETTER WAYS TO BREAK THE ICE THAN ROLE FISHING. Next time, I would try something to the effect of "Hey! How's it going?" Works a lot better and tons less scummy.
[01:04:58] <derpladee> it doesn't matter if it's an ice breaker or not even though it was primarily meant as such
[01:05:07] <derpladee> i didn't push or bully people into giving me their roles or anything
[01:05:14] <derpladee> you need to prove
[01:05:22] <derpladee> and listen carefully because you are not understanding this because you are terrible
[01:05:30] <derpladee> you need to prove not only that scum could have motivation for this
[01:05:36] <derpladee> but also that townies could not have motivation for this
[01:05:53] <ghost_403> so why don't you just say, "i meant it as an icebreaker, and it was a bad idea"?
[01:06:49] <derpladee> because it wasn't a bad idea
[01:07:02] <derpladee> i can't account for the entire town being full of morons
3) You still haven't told us the list of people you have PMd. If you were just breaking the ice, why not? What harm is there in saying "Outside of this thread, I talked to these people"? No harm at all. Instead, I see you purposefully hiding the list. What a scummy thing to do.
[01:14:56] <ghost_403> and you haven't given me a good explanation as to why you contacted some and not others
[01:15:04] <ghost_403> i'm a newbie at mafia, and you didn't contact me
[01:15:08] <ghost_403> no ice breaking
[01:15:14] <ghost_403> no nothing
[01:15:17] <ghost_403> why is that?
[01:16:28] <ghost_403> ...
[01:17:02] <Sinani206> im kinda siding with ghost here.
[01:17:12] <Sinani206> pistachio buddy :D
[01:17:23] * ghost_403 high-fives sinani
[01:17:28] <ghost_403> :D
[01:17:32] * Sinani206 BROFIST
[01:17:48] * ghost_403 BROFIST
[01:18:19] <derpladee> lol you feeling left out?
[01:18:34] <derpladee> i only PMd a few people because i don't think i have time to talk to a ton of people at the same time
[01:19:21] <ghost_403> fair enough
[01:19:28] <ghost_403> that would have been a decent answer
[01:19:33] <derpladee> if you want to PM you can just sent one
[01:19:33] <ghost_403> a couple of pages ago
[01:19:44] <derpladee> it's just pretty stupid
[01:20:25] <ghost_403> it was arbitrary, that's fine
[01:20:32] <ghost_403> not impressed, but nothing wrong with that
[01:21:15] <ghost_403> don't quite believe you, but i have an answer
4) What have your contributions to this thread been thus far? All of them fall into two categories: A) Defending yourself, and B) advocating the double lynch. You're more than welcome to make the "Oh, well I've been useful on IRC and PMs and Skype", but as of right now, you simply haven't been all that useful.
On February 14 2012 22:10 prplhz wrote:
Multiple lynches is a good idea. Two or three guys should die today. I don't mind throwing a lurker in there at all.
prplhz's filter
5) And now you call me scum in the thread, with NO ARGUMENT WHATSOEVER. That post happened almost 30minutes ago. Unless you're writing a book, you have no excuse for your silence. In the case of "Well, I had to run off to class/work/Mordor", you should have put that in your post.
6) In addition, I am more or less the only person come out and say "I think that you're scum" the entire game. And now, you target me at the very first opportunity. No magnificently scummy of you.
TL;DR ##VOTE: prplhz
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EBWOP: paperscraps also suspected you of being scummy. Callout to paperscraps! And a link to the post.
Post by Paperscraps
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On February 17 2012 07:31 ghost_403 wrote:EBWOP: paperscraps also suspected you of being scummy. Callout to paperscraps! And a link to the post. Post by Paperscraps
Why is it important that paperscraps has the same opinion/suspicion as you have?
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On February 17 2012 07:41 phagga wrote:Why is it important that paperscraps has the same opinion/suspicion as you have?
I mentioned it merely for completeness. Examining the voting record showed he voted prplhz, then switched his vote.
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Urgh, three townies for one scum
The only consolation for me is that Mattchew was on my townie list so it extra good that he is dead. Ok guys this is simple, we lynch Sentinel today. My case hasn't changed since yesterday and all that he has given is his defense. No attempt in actually helping town, just trying to save his ass. Now before you jump all over me for saying that town could do that as well let me walk you through his defense.
On February 17 2012 05:48 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 08:19 Probulous wrote:Sentinel His first major contribution to the thread was in regards to my request for Prpl’s PMs. Here he writes On February 14 2012 10:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
The whole point of PM's is to gain trust. Now I just got here and I will NOT read 10 pages of argumentative text because I just did that for history class, but if I were prplhz I'd be PM'ing noobs to see if they give anything away, or they play legitimately. Experienced people can hide their true intonations. This rang scummy to me. This is basically stating you support fishing for information from newbs. I have made it clear that I don’t like it (others clearly disagree), but this caught my eye. If I were scum, I'd do my best to deny PMing them in the first place. Now prp was saying "I'm not revealing any other names", but IIRC he didn't even make the slightest attempt of discrediting SpiritClown.
That only works if you are on the same team buddy. Plus I doubt Prpl would listen to you. He seems pretty set in doing what he wants. Note that Sentinel here doesn't even try and deny that he support rolefishing. He just says that he would tell prpl to not do it if he was scum.
Then he goes and says this Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 06:11 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:I will say though that Lanaia and prplhz were pretty much united through the last IRC log. If one of them flips scum, I can almost guarantee that that's the wolfpack... and with Sinani being cloudy between that exchange and the time I signed on, I have him in my sights too. Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 07:05 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm not saying he's scum because of that. In fact I even told him that he was in the right for doing that. I'm saying if either of you flip scum, the other probably is too. This is really bad logic. Just because Lanaia defends Prpl’s actions does not mean they are on the same team. Sure it would make Lanaia look scummy if Prpl flipped red but here he says he would straight up vote for her. He would lynch her based off a prpl flip. He takes up the argument in IRC Show nested quote +[22:27:05] <[UoN]Sentinel> if prplhz was struck down right this moment
[22:27:08] <[UoN]Sentinel> and flipped scum
[22:27:14] <[UoN]Sentinel> my vote would immediately go to lanaia
[22:27:18] <[UoN]Sentinel> and vice versa
[22:28:17] <[UoN]Sentinel> because they defend each other Prpl never defended Lanaia, when asked he says Show nested quote +[22:30:19] <[UoN]Sentinel> right before sinani started talking about the pistachios The only thing that Prpl mentions about Lanaia is Show nested quote +[00:41:46] <derpladee> you guys are morons lol
[00:41:53] <derpladee> like every single one of you except Lanaia here Which is hardly defending given no-one was attacking Lanaia. Sentinel has made a concerted effort to link Lanaia and prpl such that one’s alignment will confirm the other. And retracted it that same day... weren't you in IRC when I said "I give up?" I mean it's still scummy, I'll admit that, but I've made decisions like this on less evidence. Like when I voted risk.nuke in Hammer Mafia.There was more, but that wouldn't support your "concerted argument for nothing" argument now, would it?
You only retracted that mate when both Lanaia and I pointed out how stupid it was. You were directly attacking her and when she pushed back you realised you couldn't make the case. That fact remains that you made a real attempt to link the two based off of one's flip.
Show nested quote + Then he goes and undermines my case against zeurg right after I posted it. A vote for someone is worth nothing if you give them an ready made excuse not to reply. This is what Sentinel writes This unsupported wouldn't be a strong case. I probably do something like that all the time...I'm going to cut off there. I'm still thinking that if it's zeurg's first time he could just be blue and scared of revealing this. I'll put FoS on him and cut him a little break because he's new, but I too expect to hear from him. Read the last eight words I wrote in that quote and you'll see why you are wrong.
That is your explanation? Seriously? That you expect to hear from him. If you truly wanted him to talk you have just straight up agreed that he needs to post. But no you write this lovely explanation why he doesn't have to post and then cover your ass with you expect him to post? I am sure he was shaking in his boots. You knew the whole point of my case was put a blowtorch under him and you doused it straight away.
Show nested quote +
Sentinel supports fishing for information from newbs, tried really hard to link a Prpl flip with Lanaia and actively undermined my efforts to get zeurg to post.
"Tried really hard" you give me way too much credit. I logged onto IRC, played with the idea for a few minutes, gave up when I got called out by both of them, and end of story. As for undermining your efforts, sometimes just because you think someone is scum... doesn't mean they're actually scum! Because there's an explanation for almost everything that can point to them being a townie, and mislynching won't do jackshit. Once he gets modkilled we'll see.
The difference here is that you are scum. Why would you post that as town? On top of these scummy actions you have provided no cases, no content, no mafia for us to lynch. All you have done is subtly undermine me, and prevent me from pushing my cases. That isn't a problem if you provide something yourself, but no you have tried to gain town credit by pointing out the flaws in what I post. Easy way to look active without contributing.
TLDR
I see no reason to change my position from yesterday. If Sentinel finds me mafia I may reconsider but until then he has my vote.
##Vote [UoN]Sentinel
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Prpl being subtle again. Come on man make it clear for us. Ghostie I have the same problem with you as I have with Sentinel. This
On February 15 2012 08:10 ghost_403 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 08:00 Probulous wrote:
I don't know what to think about sinani so I am going to propose a different candidate for lynch
zeurg
He is actively lurking and refusing to contribute. [...]
We've still got plenty of time left before the lynch, so it's too soon for me to cast a vote. Probulous does have good points here, and in two days, I will support his movement. Zeurg, start contributing or my FOS will become a vote. FOS zeurg
If you aren't going to support the case then don't say anything because it gives the lurker an excuse not to post. If you have an issue with the case then point it out. If you are going to support the case don't give the guy an excuse not to post.
I agree that Prpl's PM thing was a huge distraction (which he blames on me) but that doesn't make him mafia. Besides I agree with Palmar that he actively tried to get sinani to post before Palmar targeted him. That shows he was actively trying to avoid a possible miss-lynch as a mafia prpl would have let him fall. It is a small thing but the way prpl said it in IRC did not seem like he was trying to claim brownie points. So right now you are more suspicious to me than him.
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Three Townies for one scum like what Prob said .
I'm getting on irc right now.
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On February 17 2012 09:09 Bluelightz wrote:Three Townies for one scum like what Prob said . I'm getting on irc right now.
Come join me, I am all by my lonesome...
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Hufy the 3rd in Command Cursed Townie has been mod-killed.
nisani201 is substituting in for zeurg
All further non-votes will be mod-killed
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Welcome nisani201, you scum?
Cause zeurg sure looked like mafia.
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Welcome to the game, Nisani.
I think ghost went a wee bit overboard there. Why react so defensively when you were called scum without any actual reasoning?
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##Vote: Probulous for reasons in IRC.
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Two townies lynched. Not a huge loss. They weren't involved or helping scum hunt.
It is interesting that Kenpachi was killed during the night.
Also thanks to the other scum team for killing Matt.
I think there either ghost_403 or prplhz is scum.
I am not sure what to make of the Probulous vs [UoN]Sentinel ordeal as of yet. Leaning towards Sentinel being scum and not joking this time.
There is scum somewhere in Lanaia, Bluelightz and Grackaroni.
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EBWOP: I think that either ghost_403 or prplhz is scum.*
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Seeing as suspicion is stacking against me, I'd like to have Palmar slice me through with his swords please.
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Funny coincidence that zeurg was the player replaced... Just from the fact that he would pop into IRC avoid talking and leave at the same time probulous started pming him. Really strange to sign up for a game in the first place and actively avoid talking, makes a little more sense from a scum perspective.
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On February 17 2012 13:07 Grackaroni wrote:
Funny coincidence that zeurg was the player replaced... Just from the fact that he would pop into IRC avoid talking and leave at the same time probulous started pming him. Really strange to sign up for a game in the first place and actively avoid talking, makes a little more sense from a scum perspective.
IRC is waiting. This means nothing because we can never know why it was that zeurg was replaced and hufy was mod-killed. Well at least until the end of the game.
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I'm going to vote ghost. He's continually made me think he's scum. He's non-productive, but something about him keeps yelling out at me.
He was overly defensive, overly reactive at prplhz even calling him scum.
That's not all, but that's all I'm going to say right now as taxation has given me a migraine and thus I don't feel like looking through irc logs.
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prplhz, stop dodging IRC. I need to talk to you.
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On February 17 2012 04:22 Lanaia wrote:
I've seen scum actually claim scum before, but I really don't think it means anything. Avoiding that part of what he's said, froggynoddy, why else do you think he's scum?
My point is that by now we all know that sarcasm simply does not work on the internet, (god knows my gf has told me that enough).
Also his filter displays a huge lack of content... but that goes for about half a dozen people here, and so far that has been due to bad townie play rather than being scum.
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I think ghost is scum.
Reasons: Let's look at his post's,
Take a look at his filter, then take a look again at his filter but ignore his post's about prp let's see what it leaves,
On February 13 2012 12:46 ghost_403 wrote:
Great, looks like I have to learn to use IRC. :/
On February 13 2012 20:53 ghost_403 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 17:01 Blazinghand wrote:On February 13 2012 13:33 Kenpachi wrote:On February 13 2012 12:46 ghost_403 wrote:
Great, looks like I have to learn to use IRC. :/ its not much to learn. /join #WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT thats all you need I'm gonna conserve you some time here and say ghost_403 is definitely scum if he can't figure out how to use some sort of chat program, irc, skype, something Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 06:51 ghost_403 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I agree with prplhz in that using the 'Rabid Fanboy' trait is inherently scummy. It's basically a 'Vigilante' trait that steals an action from the town. In addition, using that trait means the next in line receives it, meaning there is a chance that it will get passed down to scum, a doublewhammy against the town. ghost_403 on skype. Leave a message if I'm not on, and I'll (probably) get back to you. Clearly, I'm scum. Can't believe everyone missed it. /sarc. Off to work ATM. Should be back around 5EST, at which point I'll learn to IRC.
On February 15 2012 06:09 ghost_403 wrote:
I'll support a double lynch, but only if I'm sure that both are scum. We really need to be careful to avoid mislynches given that we're already down a townie and a blue with almost nothing to show for it.
I've yet to see any good arguments for anyone being scum in this thread, although I would like to hear Sinani defend himself. I'm sorry, pistachio loving bro, but phagga does bring up some good points.
On February 15 2012 08:10 ghost_403 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 08:00 Probulous wrote:
I don't know what to think about sinani so I am going to propose a different candidate for lynch
zeurg
He is actively lurking and refusing to contribute. [...]
We've still got plenty of time left before the lynch, so it's too soon for me to cast a vote. Probulous does have good points here, and in two days, I will support his movement. Zeurg, start contributing or my FOS will become a vote. FOS zeurg
On February 16 2012 04:27 ghost_403 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 04:12 SpiritClown wrote:
To mattchew
[...]
Saying I'm not scum or say I'm town it's very different... yeah -.-
And I'm not afraid to post my opinions... honestly about you I think either u are scum and are just trying to make me lynch using my errors to save a shot or either u are a towny trying to find me scum and make other people lynch me. Probably the second one i would think but i'm not sure... something about your behaviour and animosity it's making me think u might be scum, but that might be because you're attacking me
And saying I'm town in a MP it's the obvious thing to do... saying "i won't say to you" or say "i'm town" it's the same thing because everyone would say that.
Things you have contributed in this post: 1) Either Mattchew is a townie or he isn't. 2) ... This is a contentless post that does nothing to help us find scum. If you don't want to be lynched, you should suggest a better lynch. There are two good lynches on day 1: people who are scum and people who contribute nothing to the town. I am not convinced you are the first, but you definitely fit the second. You've got a few hours left to change my mind. ##Vote: SpiritClown
On February 16 2012 07:07 ghost_403 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 07:03 Kenpachi wrote:
##vote phagga
SO WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? AND WHO DO YOU THINK I AM?
well not a legitimate question cause you are a newbie. You don't accuse me of being scum. you just dont.
Im Kenpachi. you dont do that Not sure if troll? Remind me why you're voting to lynch phagga again?
On February 16 2012 08:37 ghost_403 wrote:@lanaia It's certainly a good point that you bring up. The exact same one that paperscraps brought up a few hours before you on IRC. Because most of us don't have the time to scrape through the logs, here is the interesting part for you. Show nested quote +<Paperscraps> ghost_403 stop bing scummy and have an opinion [19:46:57] <ghost_403> [19:46:59] <Paperscraps> none of this "i dont want to do anything d1 unless i am 100%" [19:47:11] <Paperscraps> time to man up [19:47:25] <ghost_403> i think spirit is a good lynch day 1 [19:47:34] <ghost_403> pretty sure i said that on the thread [19:47:59] *** Joins: Blazinghand (~blazingha@c-76-126-243-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) [19:48:20] <ghost_403> prplhz and lanaia have felt a bit scummy to me, but not enough to do anything about it yet [19:48:34] <ghost_403> i don't like how he fished for roles (oh sorry, breaking the ice) [19:48:48] <ghost_403> then wasted my time while i tried to figure out why [19:48:57] <ghost_403> but i don't think that that is a good enough reason to lynch him [19:49:15] <ghost_403> lanaia follows just because she was the only one on irc defending him [19:49:22] <ghost_403> but again, that's a bad reason to lynch someone [19:49:42] <ghost_403> in the meantime, spirit contributes nothing, and does smell of scum for the reasons mattchew pointed out in thread [19:50:01] <ghost_403> i think he's a good lynch for the time being [19:50:33] <ghost_403> ./man up [19:50:42] <Paperscraps>
On February 16 2012 09:39 ghost_403 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 05:09 phagga wrote:
My top 3 lynch candidates (in alphabetical order):
Kenpachi
Sinani206
Spiritclown
Other suspicious ppl:
zeurg: actively avoiding participation
mderg: barely active, only posting excuses, no content Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 09:05 phagga wrote:
##unvote [UoN]Sentinel
##vote sinani206 Hey phagga. What's up?
On February 17 2012 07:31 ghost_403 wrote:EBWOP: paperscraps also suspected you of being scummy. Callout to paperscraps! And a link to the post. Post by Paperscraps
Take a look at those, over half of those post's are useless.
Conclusion?
He is being useless and keeps on tunneling prp for reasons.
Also this, his 3rd point against prp
3) You still haven't told us the list of people you have PMd. If you were just breaking the ice, why not? What harm is there in saying "Outside of this thread, I talked to these people"? No harm at all. Instead, I see you purposefully hiding the list. What a scummy thing to do.
Why is not telling the list of people he PMed scummy? PMs are "Private Message" amiright?
So,
##Vote: ghost_403
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In retrospect, I think prplhz successfully taunted me into doing something stupid Well played, prplhz, well played.
I still stand by the arguments I made against him, and wait for his response.
@bluelightz I haven't posted that much because I don't like posting until I'm sure of things, which I have said before. If I think people are acting scummy, I'm going to call them out on it, which I did.
I still see his refusal to tell us who he's talked to as scummy. If they were completely innocent, I don't see the harm in sharing the list with us. Instead, he's wasting our time purposefully hiding the list.
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srsly its been like 2 days -_- since that happened.
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On February 17 2012 19:50 Bluelightz wrote:I think ghost is scum. Reasons: Let's look at his post's, Take a look at his filter, then take a look again at his filter but ignore his post's about prp let's see what it leaves, Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 12:46 ghost_403 wrote:
Great, looks like I have to learn to use IRC. :/ Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 20:53 ghost_403 wrote:On February 13 2012 17:01 Blazinghand wrote:On February 13 2012 13:33 Kenpachi wrote:On February 13 2012 12:46 ghost_403 wrote:
Great, looks like I have to learn to use IRC. :/ its not much to learn. /join #WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT thats all you need I'm gonna conserve you some time here and say ghost_403 is definitely scum if he can't figure out how to use some sort of chat program, irc, skype, something On February 13 2012 06:51 ghost_403 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I agree with prplhz in that using the 'Rabid Fanboy' trait is inherently scummy. It's basically a 'Vigilante' trait that steals an action from the town. In addition, using that trait means the next in line receives it, meaning there is a chance that it will get passed down to scum, a doublewhammy against the town. ghost_403 on skype. Leave a message if I'm not on, and I'll (probably) get back to you. Clearly, I'm scum. Can't believe everyone missed it. /sarc. Off to work ATM. Should be back around 5EST, at which point I'll learn to IRC. Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 06:09 ghost_403 wrote:
I'll support a double lynch, but only if I'm sure that both are scum. We really need to be careful to avoid mislynches given that we're already down a townie and a blue with almost nothing to show for it.
I've yet to see any good arguments for anyone being scum in this thread, although I would like to hear Sinani defend himself. I'm sorry, pistachio loving bro, but phagga does bring up some good points. Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 08:10 ghost_403 wrote:On February 15 2012 08:00 Probulous wrote:
I don't know what to think about sinani so I am going to propose a different candidate for lynch
zeurg
He is actively lurking and refusing to contribute. [...]
We've still got plenty of time left before the lynch, so it's too soon for me to cast a vote. Probulous does have good points here, and in two days, I will support his movement. Zeurg, start contributing or my FOS will become a vote. FOS zeurg Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 04:27 ghost_403 wrote:On February 16 2012 04:12 SpiritClown wrote:
To mattchew
[...]
Saying I'm not scum or say I'm town it's very different... yeah -.-
And I'm not afraid to post my opinions... honestly about you I think either u are scum and are just trying to make me lynch using my errors to save a shot or either u are a towny trying to find me scum and make other people lynch me. Probably the second one i would think but i'm not sure... something about your behaviour and animosity it's making me think u might be scum, but that might be because you're attacking me
And saying I'm town in a MP it's the obvious thing to do... saying "i won't say to you" or say "i'm town" it's the same thing because everyone would say that.
Things you have contributed in this post: 1) Either Mattchew is a townie or he isn't. 2) ... This is a contentless post that does nothing to help us find scum. If you don't want to be lynched, you should suggest a better lynch. There are two good lynches on day 1: people who are scum and people who contribute nothing to the town. I am not convinced you are the first, but you definitely fit the second. You've got a few hours left to change my mind. ##Vote: SpiritClown Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 07:07 ghost_403 wrote:On February 16 2012 07:03 Kenpachi wrote:
##vote phagga
SO WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? AND WHO DO YOU THINK I AM?
well not a legitimate question cause you are a newbie. You don't accuse me of being scum. you just dont.
Im Kenpachi. you dont do that Not sure if troll? Remind me why you're voting to lynch phagga again? Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 08:37 ghost_403 wrote:@lanaia It's certainly a good point that you bring up. The exact same one that paperscraps brought up a few hours before you on IRC. Because most of us don't have the time to scrape through the logs, here is the interesting part for you. <Paperscraps> ghost_403 stop bing scummy and have an opinion [19:46:57] <ghost_403> [19:46:59] <Paperscraps> none of this "i dont want to do anything d1 unless i am 100%" [19:47:11] <Paperscraps> time to man up [19:47:25] <ghost_403> i think spirit is a good lynch day 1 [19:47:34] <ghost_403> pretty sure i said that on the thread [19:47:59] *** Joins: Blazinghand (~blazingha@c-76-126-243-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) [19:48:20] <ghost_403> prplhz and lanaia have felt a bit scummy to me, but not enough to do anything about it yet [19:48:34] <ghost_403> i don't like how he fished for roles (oh sorry, breaking the ice) [19:48:48] <ghost_403> then wasted my time while i tried to figure out why [19:48:57] <ghost_403> but i don't think that that is a good enough reason to lynch him [19:49:15] <ghost_403> lanaia follows just because she was the only one on irc defending him [19:49:22] <ghost_403> but again, that's a bad reason to lynch someone [19:49:42] <ghost_403> in the meantime, spirit contributes nothing, and does smell of scum for the reasons mattchew pointed out in thread [19:50:01] <ghost_403> i think he's a good lynch for the time being [19:50:33] <ghost_403> ./man up [19:50:42] <Paperscraps> Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 09:39 ghost_403 wrote:On February 16 2012 05:09 phagga wrote:
My top 3 lynch candidates (in alphabetical order):
Kenpachi
Sinani206
Spiritclown
Other suspicious ppl:
zeurg: actively avoiding participation
mderg: barely active, only posting excuses, no content On February 16 2012 08:51 phagga wrote:
##vote [UoN]Sentinel On February 16 2012 09:05 phagga wrote:
##unvote [UoN]Sentinel
##vote sinani206 Hey phagga. What's up? Take a look at those, over half of those post's are useless. Conclusion? He is being useless and keeps on tunneling prp for reasons. Also this, his 3rd point against prp 3) You still haven't told us the list of people you have PMd. If you were just breaking the ice, why not? What harm is there in saying "Outside of this thread, I talked to these people"? No harm at all. Instead, I see you purposefully hiding the list. What a scummy thing to do. Why is not telling the list of people he PMed scummy? PMs are " Private Message" amiright? So, ##Vote: ghost_403
This is terrible, terrible hypocrisy. For blatant sheeping and no attempt at even trying to provide some insight you go onto my naughty list. You have added nothing all game so to call someone out for making a case is too much.
Naughty
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Reasons I don't like ghost_403
ghost_403 has done nothing but tunnel a single player this entire game. That player is incidentally me, but that's unimportant.
ghost_403 is fluffy.
ghost_403 is hypocritical.
That can be said about a ton of people though so ...
Reasons I dislike ghost_403
On his case against me, ghost_403 famously said on IRC after the whole prplhz-PM-controversy:
[19:33:34] <ghost_403> prplhz feels scummy to me, but not enough to even warrant a post against him
Now he is making an entire post, just with PM-controversy related things in it. The only thing he adds is that I wrote his name in big red letters and didn't provide any analysis at that point.
Look at this from IRC:
00:07:07< Lanaia> I'm reading someone's filter and I actually am having a hard time keeping a straight face.
00:07:11< Lanaia> hahahahah
00:07:37< Mattchew> who
00:07:42< ghost_403> do tell...
00:08:04< Lanaia> heheheh
00:08:07< Lanaia> someone in this channel
00:08:41< Lanaia> because HYPOCRISY
00:09:48 * ghost_403 starts to sweat
00:09:53< ghost_403> i hope it's not me!
If this little exchange isn't ripe with fear and guilt then I don't know what.
This continues with:
01:52:19< ghost_403> i hate irc, waaaay too many convos happening at the same time
01:52:29< derpladee> yea i know
01:52:42< derpladee> but what do you mean there aren't enough votes to seal the deal?
01:52:51< ghost_403> to actually lynch spirit
01:54:28< derpladee> okay
01:54:30< derpladee> he'll need
01:54:31< derpladee> 4 votes
01:54:33< derpladee> to tie with sinani
01:54:35< derpladee> and secure a lynch
01:54:40< derpladee> there aren't 4 votes in this game?
01:54:59< ghost_403> that's it? wow, did not know that
01:55:04< ghost_403> right now, it's at two
01:55:26< Lanaia> There are still several people who haven't voted, correct?
01:55:33< derpladee> that sounds very right
01:55:41 * Lanaia sighs.
01:56:06< derpladee> it sounds like you're just saying stuff ghost_403
01:56:09< derpladee> like, just saying stuff
01:56:18< derpladee> it sounds like this: "blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah"
01:56:21< Lanaia> for the sake of saying stuff?
01:56:21< ghost_403> dundunDUUUUNNNN
01:56:41< derpladee> meh
01:56:47< ghost_403> ...
01:56:51< Probulous> I would be happy adding phagga to the lynch list
01:56:56< ghost_403> and now i'm trying to figure out what i was trying to say...
01:57:00< ghost_403> IGNORE ME
He thinks that SpiritClown is scum but he gives up on having him lynched because ..... he is missing 4 votes. He then calls out for people to straight up ignore him. He never figures out what he "was trying to say" and never returns. Do any of you guys want to be ignored? Or is that just a scum who doesn't like people looking at him. I don't really mind people looking at me, it's just a waste of their time. ghost_403 seems to be very afraid of what they'll find.
The guy acts like he's under immense pressure and the fear and guilt should be pretty obvious to everybody.
##Vote: ghost_403
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See, I agree with that case on ghost and it's more eloquent than I could have put it.
My vote remains. I'll try to say something more before work but I'm not 100% I'll be able to.
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ghost_403, this is about you. And as you can see from the color, you are probably not gonna like it.
A lot has already been said about you that I agree with, there is no need to repeat it here. But the following things stuck out for me, which is why I will present them here:
You always just refer to points someone else made or just use arguments someone else already made. Some Examples:
- When Probulous questioned prplhz for his PMs, you jumped on the train + Show Spoiler +On February 14 2012 10:00 ghost_403 wrote:It's because he won't give us a straight answer regarding why he did it. He makes the claim that it was an "icebreaker", which is thoroughly unimpressive: there are a lot better ways to break the ice. In addition, he only targeted a few newbs (that we know about). Why these people? We had a nice little chat in IRC about this, feel free interpret his motives for asking as you wish. (As a note, these IRC logs have not posted to palmar.org as of the time of writing. Hopefully, they will post soon. If not, I will have to rely on the witnesses present to defend my account of the conversation.) + Show Spoiler +01[19:31] <ghost_403> so who else did you pm? 01[19:32] <ghost_403> kind of curious if you had any rhyme or reason, or just picked people at random to "break the ice" 02[19:33] * froggynoddy (webchat@cpc1-lewi6-0-0-cust270.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Quit: Page closed) [19:33] <Probulous> prpl you don't say who you PM'd, just a bunch of people. Well that bothers me. The only person who has come forward was a blatant newb who luckily had the knowledge to knock you back. What is so hard about posting who sent PMs to? Even if they are just to break the ice. 01[19:34] <ghost_403> well, if he's not going to give us an answer, i suppose we can work in reverse 01[19:34] <ghost_403> prplhz did NOT send a PM to me [19:34] <Probulous> ROFL, that could take a while... [19:35] <Lanaia> doesn't matter [19:35] <Lanaia> it wasn't a bad thing he did [19:35] <Lanaia> it was a thing. [19:35] <Lanaia> just a thing 01[19:35] <ghost_403> absolutely, but things don't just happen, and mafia is a game about motives [19:36] <derpladee> lol [19:36] <Lanaia> the hell kind of motive do you think he has [19:37] <Probulous> My issue is not him asking for roles. It is him asking NEWBS for their roles. I mean this would be an easy way for mafia to persuade new guys to go along with them. Now I know that I am basing the newb thing off of one data point, that is why I asked him for the list. He won't provide it. Can you see my problem? [19:38] <Lanaia> Not entirely [19:38] <derpladee> did you even read the thread? [19:38] <derpladee> did you read what i post? [19:38] <derpladee> it's not enough to explain that something could be done by a scum [19:38] <derpladee> you have to explain why it wouldn't be done by a townie too [19:39] <Probulous> A townie would send a PM to everyone, or put it in the thread. Why did you choose him over everyone else? [19:39] <Grackaroni> You are jumping on mattchew for assuming that you wanted to direct blues but what is a good motivation besides that? shooting at them? I'm sure there are other ways to "break the ice" besides rolefishing [19:39] <derpladee> lol i'm not role fishing 01[19:39] <ghost_403> -_- [19:39] <derpladee> i was just saying [19:39] <derpladee> "what's your role?" [19:39] <Lanaia> he'd've harassed me more if he were rolefishing. [19:39] <Grackaroni> role asking? [19:39] <derpladee> and then they said "town, what do you think about X or Y?" 06[19:39] * ghost_403 facepalms [19:39] <Grackaroni> I guess thats a better description [19:39] <derpladee> and then we were on to other topics [19:40] <derpladee> the motivation is that i want to know their role, but i'm probably not getting it so i'm just asking for the lulz Whole thing is (hopefully) available at http://www.palmar.org/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120214.log. On February 14 2012 10:32 ghost_403 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 10:22 Probulous wrote:On February 14 2012 10:02 prplhz wrote:
@Probulous
Why don't you want to post about an argument if you think it is valid? I'm saying "Stop using meta argument because it's quite bad at this stage of the game" and you're saying "I will posting about it but I will still use it because it's a good argument". That makes no sense at all, why wouldn't you want to post about an argument that you think is good?
You didn't even read my defense did you?
What does this "evidence" point at? It is easy to say "He is very lightly role fishing at SpiritClown and this is something scum could have a motivation for doing" but you're not done with your case before you've also said "and townie wouldn't very lightly role fish at SpiritClown". And you can't say that because that isn't true.
I'm not posting in the thread who I have PM'd and who I haven't PM'd so stop asking. It's between me and them, and I hope they don't say anything either. For those not reading IRC, I went over this with Prpl in there. He is correct that the actions could be motivated by a townie so there is no real case against him by me. I still think the actions are scummy and are not worth the chaos it has caused but that doesn't make him mafia. Second. I can't prove that it's scummy, but he still won't admit that it might not have been the best idea. + Show Spoiler +[20:01] <Probulous> Mmm those four are the only communication you had? [20:03] <Probulous> Cause nowhere in there does it say that it is meant to be an icrebreaker. [20:03] <derpladee> i talked to other people too [20:03] <derpladee> jesus christ [20:03] <derpladee> it doesn't matter if it's an ice breaker or not even though it was primarily meant as such [20:04] <derpladee> i didn't push or bully people into giving me their roles or anything [20:04] <derpladee> you need to prove [20:04] <derpladee> and listen carefully because you are not understanding this because you are terrible [20:04] <derpladee> you need to prove not only that scum could have motivation for this [20:04] <derpladee> but also that townies could not have motivation for this 01[20:04] <ghost_403> so why don't you just say, "i meant it as an icebreaker, and it was a bad idea"? [20:05] <derpladee> because it wasn't a bad idea [20:06] <derpladee> i can't account for the entire town being full of morons 01[20:06] <ghost_403> okay, so why was it a good idea? [20:06] <derpladee> every itme i say something [20:06] <derpladee> why was it a bad idea? [20:06] <derpladee> you can't just say that it was a bad idea if i cannot conclusively prove that it was a good idea [20:06] <Grackaroni> you must not account only for what it was not a bad idea, but also why it must be a good idea [20:06] <Grackaroni> damn [20:06] <Grackaroni> I wanted to copy you 01[20:06] <ghost_403> well, it's done nothing but get you into trouble thus far 01[20:06] <ghost_403> and you have no new information to show for it [20:06] <derpladee> because town is full of morons apparently 02[20:07] * Sinani206 (~Sinani206@pool-71-105-80-90.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) Quit (Ping timeout) [20:07] <derpladee> i have new information, not about roles though 01[20:07] <ghost_403> "everyone else sucks" is a bad argument for "my idea was a good idea"
- When I made a case on Sinani, you said I had good points + Show Spoiler +On February 15 2012 06:09 ghost_403 wrote:
I'll support a double lynch, but only if I'm sure that both are scum. We really need to be careful to avoid mislynches given that we're already down a townie and a blue with almost nothing to show for it.
I've yet to see any good arguments for anyone being scum in this thread, although I would like to hear Sinani defend himself. I'm sorry, pistachio loving bro, but phagga does bring up some good points.
- When Probulous attacked zeurg, you said he had good points+ Show Spoiler +On February 15 2012 08:10 ghost_403 wrote:
We've still got plenty of time left before the lynch, so it's too soon for me to cast a vote. Probulous does have good points here, and in two days, I will support his movement. Zeurg, start contributing or my FOS will become a vote.
FOS zeurg
Lanaia called you out on this behaviour:
+ Show Spoiler +On February 16 2012 08:19 Lanaia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 04:27 ghost_403 wrote:On February 16 2012 04:12 SpiritClown wrote:
To mattchew
[...]
Saying I'm not scum or say I'm town it's very different... yeah -.-
And I'm not afraid to post my opinions... honestly about you I think either u are scum and are just trying to make me lynch using my errors to save a shot or either u are a towny trying to find me scum and make other people lynch me. Probably the second one i would think but i'm not sure... something about your behaviour and animosity it's making me think u might be scum, but that might be because you're attacking me
And saying I'm town in a MP it's the obvious thing to do... saying "i won't say to you" or say "i'm town" it's the same thing because everyone would say that.
Things you have contributed in this post: 1) Either Mattchew is a townie or he isn't. 2) ... This is a contentless post that does nothing to help us find scum. If you don't want to be lynched, you should suggest a better lynch. There are two good lynches on day 1: people who are scum and people who contribute nothing to the town. I am not convinced you are the first, but you definitely fit the second. You've got a few hours left to change my mind. ##Vote: SpiritClown You also fit the second, hun. Just thought I'd let you know that. Upon reading your filter in the IRC... I can't say you've contributed much else. You've told me you haven't pm'd with anyone. So essentially, you have done nothing anywhere. Prod people, provide your own opinions, probe probulous, I don't care. Just please, do something more than what you've been doing before you accuse someone of doing basically the same thing you're doing.
To which you reacted:
+ Show Spoiler +On February 16 2012 08:37 ghost_403 wrote:@lanaia It's certainly a good point that you bring up. The exact same one that paperscraps brought up a few hours before you on IRC. Because most of us don't have the time to scrape through the logs, here is the interesting part for you. Show nested quote +<Paperscraps> ghost_403 stop bing scummy and have an opinion [19:46:57] <ghost_403> [19:46:59] <Paperscraps> none of this "i dont want to do anything d1 unless i am 100%" [19:47:11] <Paperscraps> time to man up [19:47:25] <ghost_403> i think spirit is a good lynch day 1 [19:47:34] <ghost_403> pretty sure i said that on the thread [19:47:59] *** Joins: Blazinghand (~blazingha@c-76-126-243-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) [19:48:20] <ghost_403> prplhz and lanaia have felt a bit scummy to me, but not enough to do anything about it yet [19:48:34] <ghost_403> i don't like how he fished for roles (oh sorry, breaking the ice) [19:48:48] <ghost_403> then wasted my time while i tried to figure out why [19:48:57] <ghost_403> but i don't think that that is a good enough reason to lynch him [19:49:15] <ghost_403> lanaia follows just because she was the only one on irc defending him [19:49:22] <ghost_403> but again, that's a bad reason to lynch someone [19:49:42] <ghost_403> in the meantime, spirit contributes nothing, and does smell of scum for the reasons mattchew pointed out in thread [19:50:01] <ghost_403> i think he's a good lynch for the time being [19:50:33] <ghost_403> ./man up [19:50:42] <Paperscraps>
After that, this noteworthy dialog happened in IRC:
[23:40:15] <Lanaia> I'm not sure how to reply tot hat.
[23:40:39] <ghost_403> you don't really have to, i'm not making an argument
Why not? Did you not just post a Defense? Did you not just try to show that you have your own opinion? If not, then why did you post it? Did you hope someone else would defend you? It seems you posted this in hope that people think you have your own opinion, but at the same time you stand away from any argument that could get you in trouble. Instead, you try hard to blend in.
And as you are finally going to add a case on prplhz, you still have the need to not stand out to much, and refer to paperscraps.
+ Show Spoiler +On February 17 2012 07:31 ghost_403 wrote:EBWOP: paperscraps also suspected you of being scummy. Callout to paperscraps! And a link to the post. Post by Paperscraps
You are scared to stand alone, to stand out. As a townie, you would not care about that.
##vote: ghost:403
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In order that the people posted their comments:
@prplhz:
Point 1) Fair enough. You bring up a good point, that earlier I said that I didn't have enough for a post, then I post pretty much that thing. I've already admitted that I overreacted (ghost_403, pg24 p479). I should have waited until I had more to say.
Point 2) I was shooting the breeze on IRC. No one is talking during that time. I think that if I was really guilty, I would have simply kept my mouth shut.
Here's the rest of that. Friendly banter, nothing more.
+ Show Spoiler +[23:07:15] <Lanaia> I'm reading someone's filter and I actually am having a hard time keeping a straight face.
[23:07:18] <Lanaia> hahahahah
[23:07:45] <Mattchew> who
[23:07:49] <ghost_403> do tell...
[23:08:12] <Lanaia> heheheh
[23:08:15] <Lanaia> someone in this channel
[23:08:49] <Lanaia> because HYPOCRISY
[23:09:56] * ghost_403 starts to sweat
[23:10:00] <ghost_403> i hope it's not me!
[23:14:04] <Lanaia> so, ghost_403, may I ask, have you been pming with anyone? Just out of curiosity, of course.
[23:14:29] <ghost_403> fair question
[23:14:31] <ghost_403> i have not
[23:14:39] <Lanaia> Okay.
[23:14:50] <ghost_403> all of my communication has happened here or on the thread
[23:14:50] <Lanaia> So the entirety of your contribution to the game is here and in thread?
[23:14:54] <Lanaia> okay
[23:15:46] <ghost_403> now you have me curious
[23:15:53] <Lanaia> I was just wondering.
[23:16:09] * ghost_403 looks at lanaia with shifty eyes
[23:16:31] <Lanaia> Care to hazard a guess at whose filter I was reading?
[23:16:59] <ghost_403> i'm guessing mine, but i don't know what you found that made you laugh
[23:17:07] <Lanaia> you shall see!
Point 3) Saying that my IGNORE ME quote is proof that I'm scum is just dumb. It's a reference to an episode of the Venture Brothers (obscure, I know. Link at the bottom ). I say that anytime I put my foot in my mouth. Again, full logs of that convo are below.
+ Show Spoiler +[00:56:26] <derpladee> it sounds like this: "blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah" [00:56:29] <Lanaia> for the sake of saying stuff? [00:56:29] <ghost_403> dundunDUUUUNNNN [00:56:49] <derpladee> meh [00:56:55] <ghost_403> ... [00:56:59] <Probulous> I would be happy adding phagga to the lynch list [00:57:04] <ghost_403> and now i'm trying to figure out what i was trying to say... [00:57:08] <ghost_403> IGNORE ME [00:57:28] <Probulous> ^^ ??? [00:57:29] <derpladee> would be great if you could just say that and it would happen, wouldn't it? [00:57:41] <Lanaia> /ignore ghost_403 [00:57:43] <ghost_403> yes it would, yes it would... [00:57:52] <ghost_403> someone pass that on to lanaia [00:57:59] <Lanaia> oh, webchat won't let me use that [00:58:00] <Lanaia> [00:58:12] <ghost_403> lol [00:58:24] <ghost_403> @prob i'm waiting for a response for his voting pattern
Again, just friendly banter. Your final conclusion that I'm a better lynch target than anyone else is just wrong.
Also, I notice that you haven't responded to any of the arguments that I presented against you. Curious.
@phagga
Point 1) I did not jump on that train, I happened to start on the same train. The entire reason that I came to IRC in the first place was to talk to prplhz about the PM incident. He just so happened to post in the thread first, and I didn't/don't see any point in reiterating his arguments.
Litterally my first lines on IRC.
+ Show Spoiler +[23:58:46] *** Joins: ghost_403 (ghost_403@cpe-75-179-146-117.woh.res.rr.com) [23:58:52] <ghost_403> o/ [23:59:07] <Probulous> I'm still here brother! [23:59:25] <ghost_403> lol, good to hear [23:59:41] <ghost_403> hey derp, you on? [00:00:15] <Probulous> Slap him, slap him good :-) [00:00:24] * ghost_403 slaps derp [...] [00:22:15] <Lanaia> i think his asking about roles is null at the most. [00:22:23] <Probulous> he just posted his defense... [00:22:28] <Grackaroni> Palmar did it too but I think if he is doing it secretly its scummier [00:22:30] <Lanaia> oh, really [00:22:38] <Lanaia> he did it to me in channel here [00:22:39] <ghost_403> wait [00:22:41] <Lanaia> don't see a hge deal [00:22:41] <Grackaroni> palmar did it as a troll in thread [00:22:45] <ghost_403> prplhz posted his defense? [00:22:52] <Probulous> Mmm that is news to me [00:22:55] <Grackaroni> prlhz is secretly pming new players to give them their roles expecting they wont know better [00:23:07] <ghost_403> i was just going to ask him about that [00:23:11] <ghost_403> and now i dont have to! [00:23:13] <ghost_403> fantasic
Point 2) I stand by what I said again. I wasn't making an argument with anyone. When someone does something scummy, I'm going to call them out on it. Until then, there really isn't a reason to argue with them. Arguing without good reason distracts everyone from doing important things, like hunting down scum.
Point 3) I'm not scared to stand alone. This is the second time you have asked me that same question. I responded
On February 17 2012 07:48 ghost_403 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 07:41 phagga wrote:On February 17 2012 07:31 ghost_403 wrote:EBWOP: paperscraps also suspected you of being scummy. Callout to paperscraps! And a link to the post. Post by Paperscraps Why is it important that paperscraps has the same opinion/suspicion as you have? I mentioned it merely for completeness. Examining the voting record showed he voted prplhz, then switched his vote.
Otherwise, someone could easily have presented the argument "Well, paperscraps thought prplhz was scum first, why didn't he call him scum."
I'm still baffled why I'm the only one to think that the rolefishing thing wasn't horribly horribly scummy.
+ Show Spoiler +Unrelated, but Venture Brother's rock. My "IGNORE ME" comment was supposed to be read in the following fashion:
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So, this game is weird. It's nice playing with new people because they actually bother to post in the thread and establish their innocence.
Paperscraps is in my eyes basically confirmed town.
Probulous is playing the most pro-town game of anyone here.
froggynoddy is almost definitely town given his play in both thread and IRC on day one.
bluelightz responded completely incorrectly to my pressure in the thread, but he seems to have done it in a very towny way.
rgTS is a troll, but meh, he's probably town
grackaroni is very towny based on his reactions to my pressure on day one.
prplhz seems to be putting the effort into this game now that I'd expect him to. I'm least certain on him on this list.
So, what is left is to find the scum in the following.
phagga, sentinel, nisani, ghost, lanaia, mderg
And I mean... we have probably at least 4-6 scum left, so fuck it. Just lynch into this list. If we have vigis, might as well shoot into it too, because why not. Chances of hitting scum are ridiculously high.
gg no re
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Okay lets not lynch ghost_403
Who do else did you guys have in mind?
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So today we are lynching
lanaia
and
[UoN]Sentinel
lanaia is filler and only opinionated when provoked. She is more curious about what other player's reads are, than providing content herself. She has been diplomatic this whole game and reactionary. Her vote on ghost_403 and the reasoning behind it is weak. The ensuing bandwagon on ghost_403 is too easy.
[UoN]Sentinel is obvious scum. He hasn't provided any content worthwhile. His filter is scummy and reaction to being called scum is bad. His last post is him pretty much giving up. Any real townie would fight.
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On February 18 2012 08:41 Palmar wrote:
So, this game is weird. It's nice playing with new people because they actually bother to post in the thread and establish their innocence.
Paperscraps is in my eyes basically confirmed town.
Probulous is playing the most pro-town game of anyone here.
froggynoddy is almost definitely town given his play in both thread and IRC on day one.
bluelightz responded completely incorrectly to my pressure in the thread, but he seems to have done it in a very towny way.
rgTS is a troll, but meh, he's probably town
grackaroni is very towny based on his reactions to my pressure on day one.
prplhz seems to be putting the effort into this game now that I'd expect him to. I'm least certain on him on this list.
So, what is left is to find the scum in the following.
phagga, sentinel, nisani, ghost, lanaia, mderg
And I mean... we have probably at least 4-6 scum left, so fuck it. Just lynch into this list. If we have vigis, might as well shoot into it too, because why not. Chances of hitting scum are ridiculously high.
gg no re
Ok lets lynch [UoN]Sentinel (obviously) and Lanaia, less obvious but more to come.
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prplhz, you're such a troll
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On February 18 2012 09:04 Paperscraps wrote:
So today we are lynching
lanaia
and
[UoN]Sentinel
lanaia is filler and only opinionated when provoked. She is more curious about what other player's reads are, than providing content herself. She has been diplomatic this whole game and reactionary. Her vote on ghost_403 and the reasoning behind it is weak. The ensuing bandwagon on ghost_403 is too easy.
[UoN]Sentinel is obvious scum. He hasn't provided any content worthwhile. His filter is scummy and reaction to being called scum is bad. His last post is him pretty much giving up. Any real townie would fight.
WTF? This is the most stupid thing ever.
You have no case against Lanaia and your case against Sentinel is very weak. You're simply bouncing off of the momentum Palmar is giving you.
Palmar, what do you think of bluelightz?
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On February 18 2012 09:23 Nisani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 09:04 Paperscraps wrote:
So today we are lynching
lanaia
and
[UoN]Sentinel
lanaia is filler and only opinionated when provoked. She is more curious about what other player's reads are, than providing content herself. She has been diplomatic this whole game and reactionary. Her vote on ghost_403 and the reasoning behind it is weak. The ensuing bandwagon on ghost_403 is too easy.
[UoN]Sentinel is obvious scum. He hasn't provided any content worthwhile. His filter is scummy and reaction to being called scum is bad. His last post is him pretty much giving up. Any real townie would fight. WTF? This is the most stupid thing ever. You have no case against Lanaia and your case against Sentinel is very weak. You're simply bouncing off of the momentum Palmar is giving you. Palmar, what do you think of bluelightz?
You should read
On February 18 2012 08:41 Palmar wrote:
bluelightz responded completely incorrectly to my pressure in the thread, but he seems to have done it in a very towny way.
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I can't say no to that [UoN]Sentinel lynch.
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@Paper you haven't provided a single good analysis. Neither have I, but you actually tried to build a case out of your shit evidence.
I'm giving up because there's no good way to convince anyone otherwise. But I'm still going to vote for you.
Your first argument against me was a sarcastic comment I made in IRC. Your second argument against me is that I'm not defending myself. I did defend myself, and when I ran out of options, I surrendered myself to my fate. I've done this in Hammer and Normal Mafia and I was town in both games.
On February 17 2012 11:59 Paperscraps wrote:
EBWOP: I think that either ghost_403 or prplhz is scum.*
You didn't take sides here.
On February 17 2012 11:58 Paperscraps wrote:
I think there either ghost_403 or prplhz is scum.
I am not sure what to make of the Probulous vs [UoN]Sentinel ordeal as of yet. Leaning towards Sentinel being scum and not joking this time.
There is scum somewhere in Lanaia, Bluelightz and Grackaroni.
And you barely took a side here. This kind of neutrality after spiritclown and sinani died.
And then you posted this:
On February 18 2012 09:04 Paperscraps wrote:
So today we are lynching
lanaia
and
[UoN]Sentinel
lanaia is filler and only opinionated when provoked. She is more curious about what other player's reads are, than providing content herself. She has been diplomatic this whole game and reactionary. Her vote on ghost_403 and the reasoning behind it is weak. The ensuing bandwagon on ghost_403 is too easy.
[UoN]Sentinel is obvious scum. He hasn't provided any content worthwhile. His filter is scummy and reaction to being called scum is bad. His last post is him pretty much giving up. Any real townie would fight.
The support to lynch me is gathering, so once again you post not only your intentions of lynching me, but also a weak justification to make it look like you're not a bandwagon. Everything you've said about me has already been said, Paperscraps.
Die.
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On February 18 2012 10:14 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:@Paper you haven't provided a single good analysis. Neither have I, but you actually tried to build a case out of your shit evidence. I'm giving up because there's no good way to convince anyone otherwise. But I'm still going to vote for you. Your first argument against me was a sarcastic comment I made in IRC. Your second argument against me is that I'm not defending myself. I did defend myself, and when I ran out of options, I surrendered myself to my fate. I've done this in Hammer and Normal Mafia and I was town in both games. Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 11:59 Paperscraps wrote:
EBWOP: I think that either ghost_403 or prplhz is scum.* You didn't take sides here. Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 11:58 Paperscraps wrote:
I think there either ghost_403 or prplhz is scum.
I am not sure what to make of the Probulous vs [UoN]Sentinel ordeal as of yet. Leaning towards Sentinel being scum and not joking this time.
There is scum somewhere in Lanaia, Bluelightz and Grackaroni. And you barely took a side here. This kind of neutrality after spiritclown and sinani died. And then you posted this: Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 09:04 Paperscraps wrote:
So today we are lynching
lanaia
and
[UoN]Sentinel
lanaia is filler and only opinionated when provoked. She is more curious about what other player's reads are, than providing content herself. She has been diplomatic this whole game and reactionary. Her vote on ghost_403 and the reasoning behind it is weak. The ensuing bandwagon on ghost_403 is too easy.
[UoN]Sentinel is obvious scum. He hasn't provided any content worthwhile. His filter is scummy and reaction to being called scum is bad. His last post is him pretty much giving up. Any real townie would fight. The support to lynch me is gathering, so once again you post not only your intentions of lynching me, but also a weak justification to make it look like you're not a bandwagon. Everything you've said about me has already been said, Paperscraps. Die.
1. Sentinel is giving up as I said he would.
2. Sentinel is playing defensive and reactionary.
3. He at least provided foses in his previous games and wasn't playing scared like this game.
4. There is one vote on Sentinel and thinks that he is already dead. A ghost lynches seems more likely, why is he scared?
5. The tone of "Die" at the end of the quote is pure scum.
Changing my vote to sentinel.
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Also here is a nice quote from IRC. I think people will enjoy this, haha.
5:54p <[UoN]Sentinel> sorry bout that
5:54p <[UoN]Sentinel> anyways
5:54p <[UoN]Sentinel> i'm dead
5:54p <[UoN]Sentinel> but i'm pulling paperscraps down with me
5:54p <[UoN]Sentinel> because he's moronic enough to be scum
5:55p <derpladee> meh
5:55p <derpladee> pull all you want
5:59p <[UoN]Sentinel> if paper gets lynched
5:59p <[UoN]Sentinel> bury him upside down
5:59p <[UoN]Sentinel> with his pants pulled to his knees
6:00p <[UoN]Sentinel> so i can torture him in hell
6:00p <derpladee> u dead mate
6:00p <[UoN]Sentinel> i know
6:00p <[UoN]Sentinel> i'm not questioning that
6:00p <[UoN]Sentinel> i just want paper to come with me
6:00p <[UoN]Sentinel> one day
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1. I'm not questioning that.
2. I do that a lot.
3. I got nothing there.
4. Because even before that vote, there's already growing support for lynching me and diminishing support for ghost. I'm scared because this means people are preparing to unvote/vote because the vocal minority (prplhz, prob, etc.) says I'm scum.
5. No, it's disappointment. I'm disappointed that you didn't come up with anything of your own, piggybacking on others' opinions and providing nothing substantial.
I don't care about getting lynched anymore. But for my two cents, for what it's worth, Paperscraps is a scummy player.
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EBWOP: You didn't put prplhz's reply to my statement. I'm disappointed in you for that too.
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I'm going to trust Sentinel and vote for Paperscraps today. From what I've been reading, paperscraps has been using a lot of empty arguments that don't point to scumminess.
##Vote: paperscraps
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On February 18 2012 11:51 Nisani201 wrote:
I'm going to trust Sentinel and vote for Paperscraps today. From what I've been reading, paperscraps has been using a lot of empty arguments that don't point to scumminess.
##Vote: paperscraps
Keyword to note here:
"trust"
It is valiant that you are trying to save your mafia brethren, but you are going to get yourself lynched now.
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So, here are some of my opinions:
Bluelightz - leaning scum
If you read his filter, you'll see that he only goes for Sinani and doesn't really focus on anyone else. Then he attacks ghost by simply posting his filter and asserting vague scumminess.
Paperscraps - scum
I've been talking about this in IRC and in thread. If he isn't lynched today then I'll probably go more in-depth tomorrow.
ghost_403 - null
I sort of understand the case against him but I don't think its strong enough.
Sentinel - null
I was leaning scum on him earlier, but seeing him push Paperscraps is making me change my opinion. As stated in IRC, I will definitely go after him tomorrow if Paper ends up flipping town.
Palmar - leaning scum
D1 all he did was tunnel Sinani. Then he makes this post:
On February 18 2012 08:41 Palmar wrote:
So, this game is weird. It's nice playing with new people because they actually bother to post in the thread and establish their innocence.
Paperscraps is in my eyes basically confirmed town.
Probulous is playing the most pro-town game of anyone here.
froggynoddy is almost definitely town given his play in both thread and IRC on day one.
bluelightz responded completely incorrectly to my pressure in the thread, but he seems to have done it in a very towny way.
rgTS is a troll, but meh, he's probably town
grackaroni is very towny based on his reactions to my pressure on day one.
prplhz seems to be putting the effort into this game now that I'd expect him to. I'm least certain on him on this list.
So, what is left is to find the scum in the following.
phagga, sentinel, nisani, ghost, lanaia, mderg
And I mean... we have probably at least 4-6 scum left, so fuck it. Just lynch into this list. If we have vigis, might as well shoot into it too, because why not. Chances of hitting scum are ridiculously high.
gg no re
Palmar makes a lot of bold assertions in this post. The fact that he has no reasoning is bad, but the main part is that they are all town reads, which don't do anything to help town. The list at the end is also very scummy. Limiting scum suspects is anti-town.
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On February 18 2012 12:56 Nisani201 wrote:So, here are some of my opinions: Palmar - leaning scum D1 all he did was tunnel Sinani. Then he makes this post: Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 08:41 Palmar wrote:
So, this game is weird. It's nice playing with new people because they actually bother to post in the thread and establish their innocence.
Paperscraps is in my eyes basically confirmed town.
Probulous is playing the most pro-town game of anyone here.
froggynoddy is almost definitely town given his play in both thread and IRC on day one.
bluelightz responded completely incorrectly to my pressure in the thread, but he seems to have done it in a very towny way.
rgTS is a troll, but meh, he's probably town
grackaroni is very towny based on his reactions to my pressure on day one.
prplhz seems to be putting the effort into this game now that I'd expect him to. I'm least certain on him on this list.
So, what is left is to find the scum in the following.
phagga, sentinel, nisani, ghost, lanaia, mderg
And I mean... we have probably at least 4-6 scum left, so fuck it. Just lynch into this list. If we have vigis, might as well shoot into it too, because why not. Chances of hitting scum are ridiculously high.
gg no re Palmar makes a lot of bold assertions in this post. The fact that he has no reasoning is bad, but the main part is that they are all town reads, which don't do anything to help town. The list at the end is also very scummy. Limiting scum suspects is anti-town.
This is probably the worst thing you could have ever done. LOL
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It's scummy to think that Palmar is scum?
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Palmar is a good player.
If paperscraps was scum as you believe it would leave little doubt in my mind that palmar is also scum. He is a good enough town player to not call people you consider obv scum confirmed town.
I don't think I can write a case on my phone but nisani is scum and Needs to be lynched. I'm waking up early tomorrow anyways will write a case then. (my school shuts off my Internet at 11)
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Grackaroni, you fail to consider the possibility that Palmar is scum. Do you have information that I don't?
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Can you update the OP with who has been modkilled/replaced? Thanks
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On February 18 2012 13:15 Nisani201 wrote:
Grackaroni, you fail to consider the possibility that Palmar is scum. Do you have information that I don't?
Of course not. There's 2 scum teams and the idea of me and palmar being scum together is extremely unlikely.
No way I could know if palmar is scum I just think his scum reads are pretty accurate and he seems less lazy compared to purgatory. Bluelightz could be scum don't understand his wrong in a townie way opinion.
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I’m impressed, ghost. I’ll remove my vote on you for today.
So it appears a bunch of stuff happened while I was at work.
I very much agree about sentinel. I thought it yesterday and would have lynched him.
So, here are my reads, ignoring our friend ghost.
Grackaroni:
I want to lean scum on him. Unfortunately, this is pretty much only gut. There’s nothing I can really pinpoint, but the entirety of him is rubbing me the wrong way. An issue I had was with him saying his biggest scum read was blue. I mean, sure, blue is scummy, but not worthy of the title of biggest scum read.
On February 18 2012 13:29 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 13:15 Nisani201 wrote:
Grackaroni, you fail to consider the possibility that Palmar is scum. Do you have information that I don't? Of course not. There's 2 scum teams and the idea of me and palmar being scum together is extremely unlikely. No way I could know if palmar is scum I just think his scum reads are pretty accurate and he seems less lazy compared to purgatory. Bluelightz could be scum don't understand his wrong in a townie way opinion.
This post here feels very… suspect. It just feels like something's off with it.
[UoN]Sentinel:
Not really much I can say, other than his overreaction to the pressure has really sealed it for me. That was a MASSIVE OMGUS if I’ve ever seen one.
On February 18 2012 10:14 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
The support to lynch me is gathering, so once again you post not only your intentions of lynching me, but also a weak justification to make it look like you're not a bandwagon. Everything you've said about me has already been said, Paperscraps.
I’m sure it’s fairly difficult to make a case on someone who hasn’t been uber prominent without repeating what others have said.
For now, I don’t think Palmar is scum, but I will never be sure. I know that I cannot read him worth a damn, so I don’t know. He’s definitely not high on my list.
I do have other reads, they’re just not nearly as prominent.
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OH RIGHT.
I'm voting sentinel because I shouldn't've let you guys switch to spirit yesterday. Also because I think he's scum because of his overreaction to the case made on him. I don't care that it was horrible, I care how overboard he went.
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Hey lanai, how do you feel about Somali?
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Sinani is dead so i assume you mean Nisani. Nisani is null for me at best now, but he's degrading now that I see where paper came from in regards to him.
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Lanaia do you think Paperscraps is OMGUSing me?
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It's just odd. You seemed defensive about Nisani earlier and as soon as I call him out you call me scum based off your gut and because I called somebody scummy my best scum read.
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On February 18 2012 14:04 Grackaroni wrote:
It's just odd. You seemed defensive about Nisani earlier and as soon as I call him out you call me scum based off your gut and because I called somebody scummy my best scum read.
It wasn't that. It was because of how you worded it.
Also I don't know if he's omgusing you, nisani. did he even see that you'd done it before he called you scum?
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On February 18 2012 14:08 Lanaia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 14:04 Grackaroni wrote:
It's just odd. You seemed defensive about Nisani earlier and as soon as I call him out you call me scum based off your gut and because I called somebody scummy my best scum read. It wasn't that. It was because of how you worded it. Also I don't know if he's omgusing you, nisani. did he even see that you'd done it before he called you scum?
Huh? You said my wording was weird too but those were the reasons you gave. If you want to you can elaborate on the wording but it's a very weak case.
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Of course it's a weak case when it mostly relies on gut, hun. I dunno, just the way you referred to Palmar in that post bothered me. I dunno, I don't understand why blue was your biggest scumread, I guess.
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As of explaining by Probulous and ghost's defense I am unvoting ghost_403.
P.S: Might take a long time since my internet is going on and off, on and off...
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You admit that this is a weak case and that your other reads are less prominent? From my perspective the best explanation for you posting a weak case on me was you trying to defend a team mate by attacking me. I don't know what your other motivation could be the timing is suspect.
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I leave you guys alone for a few hours, and come back to wat.
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I'm going to bed right now, so I can't really comment on anything that's going on. Hopefully, I'll have time to do that tomorrow morning. I'll try to have something constructive in before the vote, but no promises.
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The fact nisani disagrees with my reads makes him a) wrong, b) scum
##Vote nisani201
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@Palmar
So who do we lynch today?
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On February 18 2012 19:36 Palmar wrote:
The fact nisani disagrees with my reads makes him a) wrong, b) scum
##Vote nisani201
For me this post is a good enough reason to vote you... I don´t care about you being a good player but this I´m god attitude feels a) wrong b) scummy. Why would someone be scum just because he disagrees with you?
Also I know that I haven´t posted a lot, this will change now that I have more time
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@prplhz: We lynch nisani201.
@mderg: There's nothing wrong with the attitude. I am confident enough in my reads to actually think they're correct. With so many scum in the game, it's really a luxury how many people have made their alignment quite clear in my opinion. For some reason though, nisani is straight up calling a ton of my town reads wrong, and there seems to be no apparent reason for it except to sow distrust.
Unless of course, you're just scum looking for an excuse for trying to get me killed, by all means vote for me then.
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On February 18 2012 11:51 Nisani201 wrote:
I'm going to trust Sentinel
this must be one of the most ridiculous things I've read in this thread.
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I'm still not convinced that prplhz is not scum. Talking to him privately has taken away some of my suspicions, enough to say that I am positive that he is town. I don't know if he spoke to me privately to make conversation easier (trying to talk to one person on IRC is a pain) or if he had some slightly scummier motive.
However, I do know this: as of right now, he is functioning as an asset to the town. Continuing to pursue a lynch on him is counterproductive for the time being. If that changes, I'll take another look at him.
I'm leaving my vote as being against him, but that's only because I don't have time to talk to the people on IRC to see if there are any screwy voting things going on at the last minute. Also, this is so at the end of the game, when prplhz flips scum, I can totally say "I told you so"
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@grackaroni Your vote against nisani was more or less a ninja vote. You mentioned in thread that you were going to put together a case against him, then never did. Kinda fishy.
@palmar You better be 100% right on this stuff. I have had little reason to doubt you as a townie thus far, but your reactions on thread have been less than stellar. Not only calling a player scum because he disagreed with you, but putting together a lynch against him? Not cool.
It could be that you had a good reason to do this that you posted in IRC. I'll check for that when I have time.
@mderg This better be a huge change. Less than a page filter going into Day 3? Seriously?
Page 26 is a treasure trove of scummy stuff, which will unfortunately be overshadowed by the flip at the end of today. This lynch should really make it clear who is town and who is scum.
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@ Palmar and Prlphrz. Why are you prioritizing Nisani over Ghost or Sentinel? All three have had cases made (though Ghost's defence seems adequate for now)
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@ghost_403, nice defense. Several people started forming consense in IRC that you are not scum with very good arguments, so I'll rectract my case. I'll leave my vote on you for the moment (as you are not getting lynched anyway) to not interfere with the double lynch the others are planning.
+ Show Spoiler +[00:38:14] <derpladee> http://pastebin.com/pJnDFJRx[00:41:44] <derpladee> dunno, on one hand it's suboptimal scum play [00:41:48] <derpladee> on the other hand he's being kinda lazy [00:43:11] <Nisani201> fuck this, i'm playing some ME3 demo [00:45:07] <Probulous> ROFL nisani bails when real info appears [00:46:49] <Probulous> derp, that fits what I had him pegged as. Like I said previously he may look really scummy for his case on you but at least he made the effort. Others have blatantly sheeped or posted no case at all. I mean Bluelightz case on Ghost is a classic. [00:47:25] <derpladee> it's pretty bad but i have never seen anything out of bluelightz that looked like he had really put any effort into it [00:47:51] <derpladee> he never looks like he thought "man this fucker is so scummy i'm going to read everything he has and make the most awesome case in the universe" [00:48:05] <derpladee> ghost's case on me, i don't care about that though [00:48:14] <derpladee> it bad but it's not really scummy [00:48:19] <derpladee> in itself [00:48:22] <derpladee> i think [00:48:38] <Bluelightz> I'm here [00:48:42] <Probulous> but the point stands, Ghost actually tried to be constructive. He geniunely believes that your PMs were a scum tactic so he pushed you as hard as he could. The fact he wouldn't drop it just confirms it in my mind. [00:49:11] *** Quits: Nisani201 (~Nisani201@cpe-76-171-118-36.socal.res.rr.com) (Ping timeout) [00:50:02] <Probulous> Compare his attempts to be constructive with Sentinel (my lovely target) [00:50:28] <Probulous> sentinel even after being told repeatedly to make a case on anyone has provided nothing. [00:50:55] <Probulous> The only thing of substance he has produced was his defense. [00:51:15] <derpladee> we know that you are here Bluelightz [00:51:21] <Bluelightz> [00:51:27] <Bluelightz> Checking sentinel's filter [00:52:40] <Probulous> As you pointed out Ghost is pushing the one lynch that is going nowhere. He has been on your case all game. Do you really think his scum team would let him play like this? It just makes him look worse because of the OMGUS nature of it. [00:52:58] <Probulous> Look he could be scum but there are others out there that look worse to me [00:52:59] <Bluelightz> That is ture prob [00:53:03] <Bluelightz> true* [00:53:54] <Probulous> derpladee: thoughts? [00:54:24] <derpladee> no probably not [00:54:27] <derpladee> he's playing very suboptimal [00:54:33] <Bluelightz> suboptimal? [00:54:36] <derpladee> like [00:54:44] <derpladee> he's not playing as well as should be expected from him [00:54:46] <derpladee> if he was scum [00:54:53] <derpladee> like [00:54:55] <derpladee> i told him [00:54:59] <derpladee> "do this and i'll help you survive" [00:55:04] <derpladee> and then he was like "but you're scum" [00:55:09] <Bluelightz> o.o [00:55:12] <Probulous> exactly [00:55:24] <derpladee> scum would just fucking do what i asked them to [00:55:27] <derpladee> i think [00:55:52] <Probulous> I think scum would have told him to shut up or push some else [00:56:00] <Bluelightz> lol yeah "This guy gonna help me? OYEAH"
About Nisani201, he is behaving stupid, but I'm not sure that makes him scum. Sentinel however pretty much sealed the deal himself with his reaction.
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EBWOP consensus, not consense
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Vote count as of 2302 KST - 58 minutes to deadline
4 Votes:
[UoN]Sentinel - Probulous, prplhz (Did NOT Unvote), Paperscraps, Lanaia
2 Votes:
nisani201 - Grackaroni, Palmar
1 Vote:
prplhz - ghost_403,
Probulous - [UoN]Sentinel (Did NOT Unvote)
Paperscraps - nisani201
ghost_403 - phagga
Palmar - mderg
Not Voted
Bluelightz, froggynoddy, rgTheSchworz, [UoN]Sentinel
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Ok as noone is responding in IRC I better hope someone responds here. Do we want a double lynch? If so Bluelightz vote nisani with me. Prlprz do not change your vote unless Bluelightz does not vote correctly in which case unvote and vote somewhere harmless.
##vote nisani201
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Don't know I think Palmar's case on Nisani201 is pretty solid compared to yesterday when sinani206 clearly just didn't care. Some people want to lynch [UoN]Sentinel and he's been acting weird in IRC so I'm not too opposed to that. Other people want to lynch Lanaia. You guys organize it, I'm kinda at work right now.
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Vote count as of 2344 KST - 16 minutes to deadline
4 Votes:
[UoN]Sentinel - Probulous, prplhz (Did NOT Unvote), Paperscraps, Lanaia
3 Votes:
nisani201 - Grackaroni, Palmar, froggynoddy
1 Vote:
prplhz - ghost_403,
Probulous - [UoN]Sentinel (Did NOT Unvote)
Paperscraps - nisani201
ghost_403 - phagga
Palmar - mderg
Not Voted
Bluelightz, rgTheSchworz, [UoN]Sentinel
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Ok so just to reiterate. I'm really torn about my vote. If I were voting for who is most likely to be scum I'd vote sentinel. As I've been convinced that double lynching is pro town I will vote Nisani as Ghost seems to have defended himself.
If Nisani does get lynched and he flips green I'll be seriously examining Palmar's build up to Day 2.
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Vote count as of 2357 KST - 3 minutes to deadline
4 Votes:
[UoN]Sentinel - Probulous, prplhz (Did NOT Unvote), Paperscraps, Lanaia
nisani201 - Grackaroni, Palmar, froggynoddy, [UoN]Sentinel
1 Vote:
prplhz - ghost_403,
Paperscraps - nisani201
ghost_403 - phagga
Palmar - mderg
Not Voted
Bluelightz, rgTheSchworz
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phagga will counter last-minute-switches.
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Why so many no voters!?! Is this normal for TL mafia game?
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There's lot of lurkers on TL Mafia, period. The more people the more lurkers.
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Day/Night 2 Update:
Liquidia was well known as a Brony's haven, with one of its officials being a major endorser of brony art. This was the reason for Sentinel's undoing, as he was caught defacing pegasus art right before dawn. A search of his house yielded a rifle and a selection of what he considered as "vulnerable" horse targets. Because of this, he was jailed, and was later found hanging in his cell. But before he hung himself, he had attacked and bled out nisani, who happened to be in jail for a DUI.
Probulous was a fugitive troll from SomethingAwful who had sought refuge in Liquidia after being taunted as a pedo-Redditor and driven out of their forums. He was damned good at SC2, as he had smurfed before on BW with a few competitive accounts. Today was not his lucky day, as his past caught up with him and he was found dead inside his house. Firefighters had nearly fainted from the purple smoke that smelled like sickly incense left behind for a month.
In other news, an unidentified man was also found dead near the same location, presumed choked by the same gas cloud.
[UoN]Sentinel the Scum from the Pony Stalkers Pack and nisani201 the Vanilla Townie were lynched
prplhz the Spying Townie with a Rival and Probulous the Second in Command Godfather were hunted
Day/Night 3 Begins, you have 47 hours and 47 minutes
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Non voters from last night will be mod-killed if they do not vote today.
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GG guys
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Damn. And I was so sure prplhz was scum. Palmar, i want to talk to you when I get back.
Posted from my droid.
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On February 19 2012 01:14 ghost_403 wrote:
Damn. And I was so sure prplhz was scum. Palmar, i want to talk to you when I get back.
Posted from my droid.
I don't talk to scum
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On February 19 2012 00:58 Bluelightz wrote:
wat ._.
Is there a reason you didn't vote?
Rgtheschworz: same question.
I don't care who you are. It's important to vote and you should know it.
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I wasnt there and hadn't made up my mind after unvoting ghost
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pretty dissapointed. Thought for sure nisani would flip scum.
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GG you bastards
Obs QT?
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Didn't see that Probulous flip coming, but some of our private conversations together make much more sense now.
Nisani being green is interesting.
Sentinel flipping scum isn't a surprise.
My top scum reads:
Lanaia
Ghost_403
phagga
My null reads are:
Grackaroni
Mderg
Who else thinks it is odd that Palmar hasn't been shot yet?
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Town is being pretty lazy this game. The only reason we are still in this is because scum teams are targeting each other. People need to try and be a bit more active and scum hunt.
That goes for me as well.
I specifically want to call out Bluelightz and rgTheSchworz to form some independent opinions and contribute. As both of you didn't vote last night.
We need to limit all filler posts and start analyzing voting trends / night kill motivations / look at who is buddying who.
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On February 19 2012 07:05 Paperscraps wrote:
Who else thinks it is odd that Palmar hasn't been shot yet?
I asked that in IRC too but nobody answered. I also think that
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On February 17 2012 10:21 Ciryandor wrote:
Hufy the 3rd in Command Cursed Townie has been mod-killed.
nisani201 is substituting in for zeurg
All further non-votes will be mod-killed
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On February 19 2012 07:05 Paperscraps wrote:
Who else thinks it is odd that Palmar hasn't been shot yet?
I do. I also think that Grackaroni was sheeping Palmar pretty hard today. And Bluelightz excuse for not voting is... lacking.
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We've still got a long way to go.
His excuse is silly, should have just voted someone, anyone.
Sure, it's weird Palmar didn't die, but technically, couldn't scum be WIFOM'ing the fuck out of us all?
He very well could be scum though.
Unfortunately, I'm second-guessing myself in regards to who scum is. Gonna have to reread a couple times I think.
I'm correct in thinking we shouldn't double lynch again, correct?
As I stand right now, I want to lynch bluelightz, grack, and possibly froggynoddy, but that pends rereading.
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It's ridiculous that rg has gotten away with not voting OR posting over the last game day.
Lanaia is right, a double lynch is pretty bad for the town unless we are sure that both the lynches are scum. We can't afford to lose any more townies. At this point, even the ones not contributing are being useful in providing us with more time to hunt the scum.
To everyone, sorry I've been gone all day. I will be available tomorrow on IRC for a few hours around 18:00 GMT (+00:00).
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On February 19 2012 14:18 ghost_403 wrote:
It's ridiculous that rg has gotten away with not voting OR posting over the last game day.
Lanaia is right, a double lynch is pretty bad for the town unless we are sure that both the lynches are scum. We can't afford to lose any more townies. At this point, even the ones not contributing are being useful in providing us with more time to hunt the scum.
To everyone, sorry I've been gone all day. I will be available tomorrow on IRC for a few hours around 18:00 GMT (+00:00).
Unless they're scum, though. I'd assume at least one of them is scum based on statistics.
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Actually, I take it back, a lucky double lynch might be what's required for the town to win the game at this point. Need to think through it a bit more. I'll think through the scenario details hopefully by the time I'm on tomorrow.
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Addendum: I forgot about vig shots. Damn. Game theory is hard.
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On February 19 2012 08:55 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 07:05 Paperscraps wrote:
Who else thinks it is odd that Palmar hasn't been shot yet? I do. I also think that Grackaroni was sheeping Palmar pretty hard today. And Bluelightz excuse for not voting is... lacking.
I mean... I wanted to kill Nisani before he did.
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So, bluelightz: as of right now, you have less than 24hrs to cast a vote for who to lynch. Who are you voting for and why?
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No matter if people sheep me or not, that may not make them scum. I have no reason to believe Grackaroni is scum still.
ghost's position and interest in the game seems to have changed quite a bit since last night, but it seems to have done it in a towny way.
rgTS seems perfectly happy with just floating along without really doing anything after people got an initial town read on him. In addition I see him very rarely in IRC or just caring about the game at all.
I'm considering putting my vote on him, but I need to catch up on whatever happened since the lynch before I make my decision.
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Hi.
So, here is what I think about people.
First, we're going to write off the two people who might be modkilled for failure to vote today. These two people are bluelightz and rgtheschworz. The latter I have no real opinion of but I think we'd be better off without him if we could afford a potential mislynch as he only has 9 posts. blue I'm leaning scum on, but I have no meta on him. I really don't like that he was posting town/null lists and he had a terrible reason for not voting, which doesn't make him scum, but makes it annoying as hell to deal with.
Also going to ignore myself because I wouldn't lynch myself because that's stupid.
If either of the two I mentioned above actually vote before the end of the day, then I'll have to say something about them.
So, starting in numerical order from the list in the beginning:
2. Palmar - I actually can't read him very well. I want to believe he's town, but Palmar has never really been someone i'm good at reading. He seems to be being typical Palmar.
8. Paperscraps- All I can say is that he seems to be fairly town. He hasn't acted in an anti-town manner at all.
9. Grackaroni - Scum, but all I have on him is gut.
11. ghost_403 - The only thing that got my vote off this guy yesterday was how he responded to pressure. I still think there's a high chance he's scum, but I'd prefer a lynch on mderg.
15. froggynoddy - Typical newbie. I see how he's been torn and I know I've been that way. He's probably town.
16. phagga - Based on my PM convos with him, what I've spoken with him in the IRC channel about, and what prplhz told me about him, I feel he's town and definitely not worth lynching today.
17. mderg - flipflopping a bit in IRC. ghost pointed it out to me. In regards to Palmar:
<mderg> What do you think about Palmar still being alive?
<Lanaia> I think it's a little weird
<mderg> I don´t think he´s scum
<Lanaia> Why's that
<mderg> that´s more of a feeling...
<Lanaia> okay
<mderg> but I don´t think that Palmar is near to catching scum rigt now
* ghost[around] is now known as ghost_403
<ghost_403> mderg, why did you do that
<Lanaia> what did he do
<ghost_403> an hour ago, he wanted to lynch palmar
<ghost_403> and now he doesn't
<mderg> not exactly right
<ghost_403> [13:20:24] <mderg> I think we should either lynch him or players he doesn´t consider suspicious...
Contradictory. I don't like this. His reasoning wasn't even really good for it.
<mderg> I think that palmar was and is wrong with his reads in this game, so I think he has town reads on scum
<mderg> that´s why he hasn´t been killed by now
Sure, it's weird Palmar hasn't died, but... That doesn't necessarily make him scum.
I'm voting mderg. ghost, I know you didn't want anyone to vote til blue said something, but whatever.
NO ONE HAS VOTED YET. I'M VOTING.
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I am voting mderg, he's being useless, and not helping town. I am gonna write a case but im gonna vote first.
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So, why?
I am voting mderg, because look at his filter he has NOTHING of substance and most of it are one-liners.
Looking at irc logs, its really short, I can't really deduce aligment.
If anyone has more logs of mderg though, feel free to PM it to me:|
Some other reads:
Palmar - Townie, because he has been acting town.
Grackaroni - Townie, because(im using meta) in Student Mafia, he post's cases and are firm. It looks the same ot his filter in this game
Paperscraps - Townie, because he has been acting townie..
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IF YOU ARE READING THIS THREAD AND ARE ALIVE IN THIS GAME PLEASE VOTE.
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@Town I have been useless.Full stop.
That doesnt mean I cant do something productive with my vote.
Such as ##vote: Bluelightz.
First, cut out the townie lists, I dont wanna know who you town based on ,,He´s acting townie´´ and meta.
I remember someone told you to do that.
On February 20 2012 09:16 Bluelightz wrote:
I am voting mderg, he's being useless, and not helping town. I am gonna write a case but im gonna vote first.
This ticks me off. Big time.
One, you are useless. You have basically quoted ghost s entire filter, then wrote what?
3 lines telling how half the posts are useless.
Then shifting to Prplhz.Now, Prplhz was town because he was acting too scummy to be scum. I´m sure that I did mention it somewhere on IRC.You tried to revive suspicions on prplhz, and he CLEARLY didnt want to touch the matter again because:
1.It would be unproductive.
2.What could you deduce out of that list?I seriously think nothing. Scum would be inclined to PM newbies, but town also because they are more likely to slip.
My point is: Your posts have no goal behind them, you sheep and vote because a person has been useless, not scum.IMO, in this game there hasnt been anyone who lurks in plain sight except maybe you and Kenpachi.
So, moot point.
I wont be here at deadlin so my vote stays.
I
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Also, you seem focused on voting first, and you have voted Day 2 near the deadline.
I get that you care about the game.If you do, then why act with no purpose?
Only scum like to do that, changing their opinion to fit in, and thus seem like they have no purpose.
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Real life caught up with me, texting from my mobile after having no time for nothing. I will post later with more and will also vote.
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yo, I'll read the thread and post my thoughts in the next few hours, sorry for the lateness.
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Lurking in plain sight? You have Barely one page in filter, You said you had a full weekend, you wasted it.You did nothing, and didnt contribute anything.
Isnt the goal of scum to be useless and Contribute as little as possible?.
A bit of explanation of me voting first, is that yes I am afraid of being Modkilled. And at the time I didnt have enough time to make a proper case yet at the time, so I voted first.
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sidenote: Get on irc omfg I need people to talk to.
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We should lynch rgTS or lanaia today. mderg I'm not sure on, bluelightz and paper are town, we will know a lot more about ghost in the morning, and I still think Grackaroni is town.
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On February 20 2012 16:38 rgTheSchworz wrote:@Town I have been useless.Full stop. That doesnt mean I cant do something productive with my vote. Such as ##vote: Bluelightz. First, cut out the townie lists, I dont wanna know who you town based on ,,He´s acting townie´´ and meta. I remember someone told you to do that. Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 09:16 Bluelightz wrote:
I am voting mderg, he's being useless, and not helping town. I am gonna write a case but im gonna vote first. This ticks me off. Big time. One, you are useless. You have basically quoted ghost s entire filter, then wrote what? 3 lines telling how half the posts are useless. Then shifting to Prplhz.Now, Prplhz was town because he was acting too scummy to be scum. I´m sure that I did mention it somewhere on IRC.You tried to revive suspicions on prplhz, and he CLEARLY didnt want to touch the matter again because: 1.It would be unproductive. 2.What could you deduce out of that list?I seriously think nothing. Scum would be inclined to PM newbies, but town also because they are more likely to slip. My point is: Your posts have no goal behind them, you sheep and vote because a person has been useless, not scum.IMO, in this game there hasnt been anyone who lurks in plain sight except maybe you and Kenpachi. So, moot point. I wont be here at deadlin so my vote stays. I
This is completely invalid. Sure it makes Bluelightz an... eccentric player, he doesn't play optimally, but it's very unlikely it makes him scum. I think you're looking for an easy lynch.
I think however that since I said I leaned town on you, you've basically considered yourself getting a free pass through the game. I think we need to lynch you.
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Okay, I am voting rgTheSchworz,
Why?
First, He has done nothing of worth, except posting a case on me.
Second, As Palmar said "I think however that since I said I leaned town on you, you've basically considered yourself getting a free pass through the game. I think we need to lynch you."
Also, on irc he said "I have the whole weekend", but he wasted it. He didnt do nuthin.
If you would like me to explain more, please ask.
##Vote: rgTheSchworz
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Vote count as of 2047 KST - 3 hours 13 minutes to deadline
rgTheSchworz - Palmar, Paperscraps
mderg - Lanaia, Bluelightz (Did NOT Unvote)
Bluelightz - rgTheSchworz
Not Voted:
Grackaroni, froggynoddy, ghost_403, mderg, phagga
Edit:
PLEASE SEND IN YOUR ORDERS!!!
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##Unvote: mderg
##vote: rhTheSchworz
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If all the people not voting is town im gonna rage so hard
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rgTheSchworz would be a nice candidate. He was very inactive, then talks about having the whole weekend to participate, but contributes nothing on his Weekend. This morning he makes a weak case on Bluelightz, which seems to me he invested almost no time on.
However, mderg gets my vote. Lurking very hard, missing one vote, then contradicting himself in his statements about Palmar. Also
On February 18 2012 20:58 mderg wrote:
Also I know that I haven´t posted a lot, this will change now that I have more time
And then posts exactly one more one-liner. Time to go.
##vote mderg
Should mderg not vote (and therefore getting modkilled), then I'll try to switch my vote last minute to rgTheSchworz (I'm at work at deadline, don't know if I will be able to.)
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I will place my vote on rgTS because he didn´t do anything after Palmar said that he´s probably town (and because I don´t want to get lynched, obviously)
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voting Rg because he has been fairly inactive and the people voting him are greener than the people voting for mderg.
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Huuuuuuuge sheep movement also, Grack get on irc I need someone to talk to
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right now, froggy, ghost & phagga are going to be ModKilled if they don't vote
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Hello peeps,
Caught a nasty cold and have been out of action for past 24hrs. Sorry for the inactivity.
@Paperscraps: why are you voting RGtS? I don't see your reasoning only BL and Palmar's?
Its my opinion that people not voting this game has screwed the game royally up for town, and BL is being incredibly hypocritical regarding this matter. I would like to lynch both BL and RGtS.
That said, I think BL's case against Ghost was certainly pro-town. That added to the fact that our double lynches have been pretty poor for town ([UoN]Sentinel was pretty much everyone's first choice so he was done for regardless of double lynch) I will therefore:
##vote rgTheSchworz
mderg: its time to contribute.
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On February 20 2012 22:37 Bluelightz wrote:
right now, froggy, ghost & phagga are going to be ModKilled if they don't vote
Black kettle much?
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I posted it before you posted that :#
Also, now phagga and ghost are to be MKd
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froggy get on irc :3 I need people to talk to.
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Oh facepalm - phagga wont be MKd x_x
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Woke up in the nick of time
Voting in about 12 seconds, once I figure out what the heck is going on.
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just vote me ghost_403, we're double lynching mderg and rgTS
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I'll just post this here:
<froggynoddy> mderg seems to be big sheep
<froggynoddy> particularly as he seemed to be attacking Palmar earlier, now he seems to be sheeping him
<Bluelightz> Lol most of the sheep just vote like this, "I am voting rgTh [insert small explanation]"
<Palmar> yes
<Palmar> like
<Palmar> can we just
<Palmar> triple lynch
<Palmar> lol
<Palmar> fuck it
<Bluelightz> lol
<Bluelightz> lmao!
<Palmar> really sucks we seem to have no vigilantes
<froggynoddy> that does seem odd
<Bluelightz> Theres always traits though
<froggynoddy> is that normal in mafia?
<Bluelightz> Yes
<Bluelightz> But there should be many DTs etc o_o
<Palmar> yeah
<Palmar> prplhz was a dt
<Palmar> no useful info though
<Palmar> it seems
<Bluelightz>
<Bluelightz> no crumbs?
<Palmar> well
<Palmar> he backed off ghost
<Palmar> but that was within a day
<Bluelightz> True
<Palmar> he thought I was scum and backed off me
<Palmar> but meh
<Bluelightz> meh
<phagga> prplhz was a spy, not a dt
<phagga> not exactly the same
<phagga> from the original post:
<phagga> If a player has the Spy trait, he will have the ability to spy on another player, revealing clues to the role and/or traits of that player, but never the role or trait itself. Some clues may be useless, others not.
<Palmar> should we try and double lynch
<Palmar> not like I want to keep mderg around
<Palmar> I never read the OPs phagga
<phagga> that's why i posted the description here, Palmar
<Palmar> haha
<Palmar> ty
<phagga> I remember you sayning that somewhere in the thread
<Palmar> that's why I prefer pm games
<Palmar> what's the current vote-count?
<Palmar> can we like?
<Palmar> lynch them both?
<phagga> mderg 2, rg 6
<Palmar> so if bluelightz
<phagga> bluelights 1 and ghost has not voted, makes 10
<froggynoddy> I'm fine with swapping on mderg
<Palmar> ok
<Palmar> me and froggy do it
<Bluelightz> wait
<Bluelightz> ...
<Bluelightz> what
<Bluelightz> ?
<Palmar> double lynch
<Palmar> do you not like us killing mderg?
<froggynoddy> actyaully
<Bluelightz> Nah just confused
<Bluelightz> :3
<froggynoddy> am a bit concerned myself
<Bluelightz> hmm?
<Palmar> I don't know, I have no reason to believe mderg flips town
<Bluelightz> believe wat?
<froggynoddy> Palmar can you explain again the justifications of double lynch
<Bluelightz> But if ghost comes in the double lycnh is ruined
<Bluelightz> =_+
<Palmar> it's more KP in the hands of town froggynoddy
<froggynoddy> but we've been pretty shit on the double lynching so far
<Palmar> yes
<Palmar> but that doesnt' meant you should stop playing optimally
<froggynoddy> I think double lynching on decent amount of evidence is good
<Palmar> and well.. we've lynched useless terribads so far
<Palmar> nisani and sinani and such
<Bluelightz> rue dat
<Bluelightz> True*
<froggynoddy> i dont think (in my admittedly inexperienced opinion) that lynching for the sake of lynching is good
<Palmar> mafia scum kp has less chance of hitting scum, than town lynches
<froggynoddy> true
<Palmar> it is good, unless you expect to generate more information from the time we buy by giving scum more KP
<Palmar> like the information better become available
<Palmar> and judging by thread activity and such
<Palmar> I don't see a reason to expect we will gain much additional information by stalling
<Palmar> I think we already have most of what we need to finish the game
<froggynoddy> ...
<froggynoddy> I don't know man
<Palmar> I mean, I can understand if we have like 3 dts alive
<Palmar> I just doubt that
<Palmar> I made a huge argument about this in some game
<Palmar> or well that was about vigilantes hitting every night if they could
<Palmar> but same deal
<Palmar> statistically, you want as many kills in the game to be controlled by town as possible
<Palmar> the only exception, is if you think you can stall the game, in order to gain information to increase your accuracy
<Palmar> At present, I have no faith that we will be generating much more information this game
<Palmar> like, thread has been pretty stagnant for a while
<phagga> Palmar, are you aware of the apprentice role?
<Palmar> what's that?
<phagga> the apprentice does not know he is it, but when he gets checked, and the checker dies later on, he takes on his role
<froggynoddy> ok, Palmar. It makes sense, mderg isnot adding anything to the game. I'll go with double lynch
<phagga> so, if probulous checked the apprentice, red team has a new godfather
<Palmar> oh right
<Palmar> wait what?
<Palmar> how does that eve work
<phagga> but I don't know if that got implemented
<Palmar> how is that balanced
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we now have 4 votes on rgTS and mderg each.
ghost just vote someone else.
Anyone who last minute switches will be policy lynched tomorrow.
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@palmar npnpnp
##vote palmar
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For the record, I stand 100% behind the rg lynch. He has done almost nothing the entire game, and now appears just enough to not be modkilled. He's either a useless townie, or more likely scum.
mderg, I'm less sure about. He definitely acted kinda scummy when I talked to him, and he never really contributed anything useful while I was talking to him. I'll have to go back and check to see if he did anything exceptionally stupid after I left yesterday.
Given one vote, I would vote rg. Given two, rg then mderg with some hesitation. I reserve the right to change my opinion on him after I read the IRC logs, since his thread posts give us nothing to go on.
And bluelightz, still have my eye on you. Suddenly coming out of the woodwork on day 3? Not cool, man, not cool.
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And nevermind. The fact that mderg refuses to tell us why we shouldn't lynch him is a good enough reason for me to support it.
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daypost inc...I think
please don't post till my brain has processed all of the information it needs to process in order for the daypost to come out right
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wait wtf I only have one action...this doesn't seem right
I'm probably going to pass out from exhaustion relatively soon regardless of my willpower so I give you all 10 minutes from the time of this post to send actions to me.
If not you'll just have to wait for Ciryandor to come and do it (which I dunno when that'll be)
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Day 3
something happened and then somehow multiple people died
their names will never be remembered because no one cares
but because I'm nice I'm writing this obituary for them
Lanaia Elephant Lady Perceptive thing has died
Grackaroni vanilla town guy has died
mderg the brutal leader vanilla town guy has died
rgTheSchworz the blessed vanilla town guy has died
I'd say I'm sad but I'm too tired
+ Show Spoiler +that took me like 10 minutes
time to zzz bye
edit: deadline 48 hours modkills for everyone you know the drill
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Should have triple lynched lanaia.
paperscraps
bluelightz
palmar
ghost_403
froggynoddy
phagga
These people remain. It's very likely the red team is dead, so the black team remains.
I think it's pretty clear the scum are ghost and phagga.
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On February 21 2012 00:26 Palmar wrote:
I think it's pretty clear the scum are ghost and phagga.
any reason?
The only thing that seems clear to me is that paper is not scum, the way he pushed the sentinel lynch and with the red team probably being dead.
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I've known paper is town since day 1.
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Ok I am outting my role.
I AM THE COP.
I have a guilty report on phagga!
I am voting him now.
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palmar, confirm/deny this?
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That's why.
Paperscraps claimed to me right away on day 1. That's the reason I've been basically calling him confirmed town since then.
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So, yeah my guilty on phagga was a reaction test.
Ghost is scum.
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Also this reaction test pretty much all went down in IRC.
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starts at 10:30, for those interested.
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I can confirm this.
I told paper to check grackaroni, and he meant to change it. But apparently he didn't do it correctly or something so Ciryandor didn't count the change. So, with no information out of Paper's tests, I told him to claim, and we decided to try to fake-guilty on phagga just to see how he would react.
That's irrelevant though, because a few moments later Ciryandor asked Paper to check his pms, and paper did, only to find out he had not changed hist check from ghost to grack correctly, and thus had checked ghost yesterday. Paperscraps has a guilty result on ghost_403
I suggest we single lynch him today, and have paper check phagga..
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Confirming that lynch was on rgTheSchworz
Modkill Lynch as well for mderg
Kill-Points for Lanaia and Grackaroni
Remaining players alive:
Palmar, Paperscraps, Bluelightz, froggynoddy, ghost_403, phagga
Update to role-list and front page incoming.
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On February 06 2012 19:39 Ciryandor wrote:
The Roles & Traits
ROLES
TL Forumer (Townie): Vanilla TL Forumer, likes Starcraft overall, watches their regular fill of games via streams or live
Forum Moderator (Detective): The Moderator has the ability to check once a night to see if they are undesirable werewolves (Scum) or an Apprentice. Every other role will appear as a regular Forumer (Townie).
Rabid Werewolves (Scum): They are people attracted to TeamLiquid for the massive pool of pool of less-than-fit people they can easily turn into chew toys. More information will be given to the scum but will not be public knowledge.
Note that only the above roles are guaranteed to be in a game (i.e. 1+ exists of each role above, 0+ exists of each role below).
There is guaranteed to be at elast one DT in the game.
When Paper claimed, froggy, me, phagga and ghost were all on IRC
So any of us should have counterclaimed immediately. With no counterclaims, paperscraps is guaranteed to be the DT, and his check on ghost is good.
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yo mods, can we shorten the days to 24 hours? With only 6 people left it will get a bit slow over 48 hours.
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Yes, the deadline has been adjusted for 22 hours and 52 minutes from now.
Also confirming that mderg did die of a lynch and not a mod-kill.
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gg.
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I am the Journalist. My checks so far were prplhz, Sentinel, Lanaia and froggynoddy. They all returned Townie to me.
From the remaining group I only checked froggy. As there has not been any counterclaim to Paperscraps DT claim (and there has to be a DT according to the Role-OP), I believe him to be right. A few points worth noting:
- There was barely any resistance of ghost_403 when he was accused of being scum.
- Bluelightz was in the Channel too when Paper claimed, but left in the middle of it without comment + Show Spoiler +[16:34] <Paperscraps> phagga is confirmed scum [16:34] <phagga> now, this is getting interesting [16:35] <phagga> so you claim detective? [16:35] <Paperscraps> YES [16:35] == Ciryandor [webchat@112.201.18.52] has joined #WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT [16:35] <@Palmar> Paperscraps is a DT [16:35] <@Palmar> or well [16:35] <@Palmar> he claimed it day 1 to me [16:35] <ghost_403> ballsy move if you're not [16:35] <@Palmar> seems stupid to do [16:35] <@Palmar> if he's scum [16:36] <ghost_403> phagga, who else did you check? [16:36] <Paperscraps> uhh? [16:36] <phagga> lol, it's getting better and better [16:36] <Paperscraps> I am the DT [16:36] <ghost_403> lol [16:36] <ghost_403> my bad [16:36] <ghost_403> totally directed at paper [16:37] <@Palmar> scumslip? [16:37] <ghost_403> right... [16:37] <ghost_403> so, paper, who else did you check? [16:38] <froggynoddy> I'm confused [16:38] <Paperscraps> i checked blazinghand N0, then I checked prplhz N1, and I checked Bluelightz N2 [16:38] <Ciryandor> paper check your PMs please [16:38] <Paperscraps> k [16:39] <Ciryandor> same thing to everyone still alive [16:39] <Ciryandor> I'm sending PMs re: your roles and such [16:40] <@Palmar> <Ciryandor> paper check your PMs please [16:40] <@Palmar> I guess that confirms [16:40] <@Palmar> paper has a role [16:40] <@Palmar> rofl [16:40] <phagga> but not which [16:40] <froggynoddy> am rlly confused at this move paper, form what I can work out this is abad move for town, but ill wait till everyone reads ciry's pms [16:40] <froggynoddy> lol @palma [16:40] <froggynoddy> r [16:40] <@Palmar> it's lylo froggynoddy [16:41] <phagga> I haven't got a PM yet [16:41] <@Palmar> no reason not to claim [16:41] <@Palmar> like we should mass-claim [16:41] <phagga> lol, you guys are great at this game [16:41] <@Palmar> @phagga: <Ciryandor> same thing to everyone still alive <-- he just added this when he realized he fucked up [16:41] <phagga> I should have seen this coming [16:41] <froggynoddy> thats what I thought [16:41] <@Palmar> meh [16:42] <froggynoddy> its likely (though not certain) that there are 2scum left right? [16:42] <@Palmar> ok guys [16:42] <ghost_403> if there were three, wouldn't the game be over? [16:42] <@Palmar> shut up ghost [16:42] <@Palmar> you're [16:42] <@Palmar> scum [16:42] <@Palmar> paper was lying earlier [16:43] <Paperscraps> dat reaction test [16:43] <Paperscraps> hehehe [16:43] <Paperscraps> Ghost is scum [16:43] <@Palmar> <Paperscraps> ok just let me know who you want checked [16:43] <@Palmar> <Palmar> grackaroni [16:43] <@Palmar> <Palmar> we'll try to lynch mderg [16:43] <@Palmar> <Paperscraps> k changed it [16:43] <@Palmar> <Palmar> I think you should [16:43] <@Palmar> <Palmar> claim in the thread [16:43] <@Palmar> <Palmar> did you check grack? [16:43] <@Palmar> <Paperscraps> yeah i havent gotten a pm yet [16:43] <@Palmar> <Paperscraps> but he is green obv [16:43] <@Palmar> <Paperscraps> from the post [16:43] <@Palmar> <Palmar> well he died [16:43] <@Palmar> <Palmar> you should claim [16:43] <@Palmar> <Paperscraps> ok [16:43] <@Palmar> <Palmar> even if [16:44] <@Palmar> <Palmar> it's unimportant [16:44] <@Palmar> <Paperscraps> i am going to fake guilty some one [16:44] <@Palmar> <Paperscraps> and reaction teset [16:44] <@Palmar> <Palmar> yeah [16:44] <@Palmar> <Paperscraps> test [16:44] <@Palmar> <Palmar> go for it [16:44] <@Palmar> <Palmar> do it on phagga [16:44] <@Palmar> <Paperscraps> kk [16:44] <@Palmar> <Paperscraps> going to make up some stuff [16:44] <@Palmar> <Palmar> lol ok [16:44] <@Palmar> <Paperscraps> because I dont think they would believe me failling so hard [16:44] <@Palmar> <Paperscraps> OHHHH SICK [16:44] <@Palmar> <Paperscraps> ghost is scum [16:44] <@Palmar> <Paperscraps> yyeeeeeeeeeeeeeee [16:44] <@Palmar> <Palmar> oh [16:44] <@Palmar> <Palmar> how? [16:44] <@Palmar> <Palmar> rofl [16:44] <@Palmar> <Paperscraps> he didnt count my change [16:44] <@Palmar> <Palmar> ah [16:44] <@Palmar> <Palmar> nice [16:44] <@Palmar> <Palmar> awesome [16:44] <@Palmar> <Paperscraps> yep [16:45] <@Palmar> That's why ciryandor rofl [16:45] <@Palmar> told paper to check his pms [16:45] <ghost_403> done? [16:45] <@Palmar> yeah [16:45] <@Palmar> you're scum [16:45] <@Palmar> g [16:45] <@Palmar> gg [16:45] <@Palmar> no re [16:45] <ghost_403> how does me asking you to confirm/deny that paper told you he was a detective day1 prove that i'm scum [16:46] <@Palmar> unimportant [16:46] <@Palmar> I told paper to change his check to grack [16:46] <@Palmar> but [16:46] <@Palmar> he never did [16:46] <ghost_403> ...? [16:46] <@Palmar> so he got a check on you instead [16:46] <@Palmar> and he got guilty [16:46] <@Palmar> that proves you're scum [16:46] <@Palmar> you were checked [16:46] <@Palmar> and you're scm [16:46] <@Palmar> from a basically confirmed Dt [16:46] <ghost_403> ha [16:46] <ghost_403> haha [16:47] <ghost_403> hahaha [16:47] <ghost_403> got the attuned trait [16:47] <@Palmar> laugh some more while you figure out how to defend [16:47] <@Palmar> lol, bullshit [16:47] <@Palmar> what does that even do? [16:47] <Paperscraps> Perceptive (Attuned): Can tell if people are paying attention to his behavior. An Attuned person will know if someone has scanned them, but not the role that they have. [16:47] <ghost_403> tells me if someone scanned me during the night [16:47] <ghost_403> [16:48] <@Palmar> yeah, I'm going to believe paperscraps [16:48] <@Palmar> over you [16:48] <phagga> So which role did ghost have? [16:49] <ghost_403> after all, he's confirmed that i'm scum [16:50] <phagga> Paperscraps, which role did ghost have? [16:50] <Paperscraps> Forum Moderator (Detective): The Moderator has the ability to check once a night to see if they are undesirable werewolves (Scum) or an Apprentice. Every other role will appear as a regular Forumer (Townie). [16:50] <Paperscraps> he is scum [16:51] == hjloh [webchat@port-92-205-84-199.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT [16:51] <Paperscraps> scum or townie are the reports I recieve [16:51] <Paperscraps> receive* [16:51] <Paperscraps> also phagga [16:51] <Paperscraps> you failed the reaction test [16:52] <@Palmar> lol [16:52] <@Palmar> if we're fast [16:52] <phagga> lol [16:52] <@Palmar> well [16:52] <@Palmar> they can counterlynch one townie [16:52] <@Palmar> but it's safer [16:52] <@Palmar> to just lynch ghost [16:52] <@Palmar> and check phagga [16:52] <Paperscraps> yeah [16:52] <@Palmar> phagga do you agree with lynching ghost? [16:53] <phagga> I'm not sure yet [16:53] <@Palmar> yeah [16:53] <@Palmar> ask him if it's okay you bus him first [16:53] <@Palmar> it's the correct play [16:53] <@Palmar> but better make sure he doesn't mind [16:53] <phagga> 1. )You guys are aware that you are implying that role distribution is not even [16:54] <phagga> 2.) If the last scum is grandfather or corrupted, you will never be able to catch him [16:54] <froggynoddy> paperscraps I assume you've checked Palmar to trust him so much [16:54] <phagga> because the detective can only scan regular scum [16:54] <Paperscraps> froggynoddy I never did [16:54] <phagga> this is just bullshit you two are telling [16:54] <froggynoddy> wow ok [16:54] <Paperscraps> but if Palmar was scum I would be dead [16:54] <phagga> I have a hard time believing this [16:55] <@Palmar> froggynoddy, just lynch me if ghost and phagga don't flip scum [16:55] <@Palmar> it's irrelevant [16:55] <@Palmar> this guilty check solves the game [16:55] <Paperscraps> froggynoddy I didn't need to check Palmar, because he is pro town [16:55] <Paperscraps> that would be a waste [16:56] == Bluelightz_ [webchat@static-210-128-201.cbn.net.id] has quit [Quit: Page closed]
- Paper pushed the Sentinel Lynch, so I see it as highly unlikely that he is in the same scum team as Sentinel. The same goes for Palmar, who seemed to approve the Sentinel Lynch. This is also the reason why I checked neither of them last night.
There is a really slim chance that the two are the remaining scum, sacrificing Sentinel to get the Mafia through with an alibi. This is, however, very unlikely.
With the information we have now, the fate of the town lies in the Hands of Paperscraps and Palmar, be it for good or bad. I therefore follow them.
##Vote: ghost_403
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[10:45] <@Palmar> so he got a check on you instead [10:45] <@Palmar> and he got guilty [10:45] <@Palmar> that proves you're scum [10:45] <@Palmar> you were checked [10:45] <@Palmar> and you're scm [10:45] <@Palmar> from a basically confirmed Dt 01[10:46] <ghost_403> ha 01[10:46] <ghost_403> haha 01[10:46] <ghost_403> hahaha 01[10:46] <ghost_403> got the attuned trait [10:46] <@Palmar> laugh some more while you figure out how to defend [10:46] <@Palmar> lol, bullshit [10:46] <@Palmar> what does that even do? [10:46] <Paperscraps> Perceptive (Attuned): Can tell if people are paying attention to his behavior. An Attuned person will know if someone has scanned them, but not the role that they have. 01[10:46] <ghost_403> tells me if someone scanned me during the night 01[10:46] <ghost_403>
My defense is no one scanned me last night. However, without a DT counterclaim, my case holds no water. It's kinda hard to fight that, regardless of guilt or innocence.
If there are two scum left, they have to be palmar and paperscraps. I'd make a case against them, but I fear that I would be wasting my breath.
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I'm here anyway just some thoughts :
We shouldnt Double Lynch! Unless we have 2 confirmed scum
And I can't be on irc cause im using school internet ;/
Lastly, I believe paper's claim, he claimed to me day 1 but only said "town" thats why I never said he was scum.
And I'm voting ghost, also @phagga my internet basically failed lol at that time.
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yeah no matter how tempting it is to double lynch, I think the safe play is to single lynch ghost today.
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A single lynch is best after thinking about it.
If I die tonight keep an open mind. No one will be clear tomorrow. Here are my reads for tomorrow.
Palmar
+ Has played pro-town
+ Has known my role the whole game (I haven't died yet)
- Still hasn't claimed his role yet
- Still alive at the end of the game
Bluelightz
+ Played fairly townish
+ Good townie reactions to things
+ Has dumbtelled quiet a bit (>implying townieness)
+ Claims vanilla townie
- Sheeps like no other
- Didn't vote D3, which is suspicious
phagga
+ Played townie
+ Made a case against ghost_403
+ Claims Journalist
+ His claim seems legit, but can't be proven
- His reaction to my fake guilty was not very town
- All of his reports would be easy to make up
froggynoddy
+ Played pro-town in the beginning
- Hasn't claimed yet
- Has been coasting the past few days
- Hasn't voted up ghost_403 yet
- Possible soft bus on Sentinel?
froggynoddy (most scummy)
Bluelightz
phagga
Palmar (least scummy)
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Please be reminded that orders have to be sent in within the hour!
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I think it's pretty obvious right now that I will be lynched. Bad news for me, worse news for you. For you see, paperscraps is right: I am scum. But, there was something that he doesn't know, something that none of you know. Earlier, I lied about my trait. I'm not attuned...
I AM ULTRA-BRUTAL.
By lynching me, I am allowed to kill up to 40 players in the game! As soon as I am lynched, you all lose! Take that! HAHAHA!
ghost_403 continues laughing manically until Ciryandor puts him out of his misery.
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Its tiiiiiime! f5f5f5f55f5f5f5
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Let's keep it short and sweet.
ghost_403 the Attuned Corrupted of the Pony Stalkers pack was lynched
Paperscraps the Detective was hunted
froggynoddy the Scum of the Pony Stalkers pack was hunted as well.
Day 5 is 23 hours and 52 minutes.
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Yeah, totally kidding about that ultra-brutal thing.
Everyone, gg.
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Remaining players alive:
phagga, Bluelightz, Palmar
PLEASE PM ME ASAP
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gg... did not see that coming.
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Going for the final vote...
##Vote Bluelightz
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For the tippy top
##Vote: Palmar
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On February 18 2012 08:41 Palmar wrote:
gg no re
##Vote Palmar
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So do I get an explanation before you throw the game away?
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##Unvote: Palmar
##Vote: placeholder
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##unvote: placeholder
##VOTE; phagga
P.S phagga we know your scum
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I will be counting the votes in the main thread only. Thanks.
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On February 22 2012 22:23 Ciryandor wrote:
I will be counting the votes in the main thread only. Thanks.
You mean, in this thread?
##Unvote Bluelightz
##Vote Palmar
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On February 22 2012 17:33 Palmar wrote:
So do I get an explanation before you throw the game away?
I know Bluelightz' Role. If Palmar gets lynched, town wins.
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Haha good joke 
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##Unvote Bluelightz
##Vote phagga
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Oh bluelightz, what did you do?
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fuck. Palmar was scum he last minute vote switched.
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Day 5
phagga the Journalist has been lynched
Bluelightz the Vannila Townie has been Endgamed
Palmar the Scum of the Elephant Hunters Pack has won the game
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No shit, sherlock? Why did you not vote him?
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Lol I believed you were scum , that you were a GF and scanned me LOL
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The Final Reckoning:
Amidst the doubts and worry of the recent sudden spate of deaths, Palmar, Bluelightz and phagga agreed to meet in Mafia Square, known to be the place where most lynchings occurred. Each mistrusted the other two, having come from different backgrounds and lives. phagga began the conversation:
"We still have one traitor in our midst. The death of the herpetologist Mr. Noddie, who happened to have a grudge against equestrians was proof of that. He was executed with an Elephant gun."
Bluelightz spoke up. "And we found that gun in your room earlier today, along with a box of .577 Tyrannosaur rounds. Trying to hide as the Journalist has revealed your true colors, Godfather scumbag."
"You have it all wrong! I told you yesterday that I had proof that people were innocent even as they were being murdered in front of our own eyes!!!", phagga hoarsely told him as Bluelightz and Palmar menacingly went up to him.
"We don't need to listen to any more of your drivel. You die tonight, and Liquidia will be at peace." Palmar said as he threw a rope around phagga.
The poor man was manhandled to a chair set up in the middle of the square, and Bluelightz slowly choked him to death. But Palmar was not watching. A metallic clack was all Bluelightz heard as he felt no pulse in phagga's lifeless corpse.
"It really is over. I win."
Then a single blast rang out.
phagga the Journalist was lynched
Bluelightz the former Apprentice now Journalist was shot
Palmar the Scum of the Elephant Hunters pack was the SOLE SURVIVOR
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Palmar = MVP this game hands down.
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How did I do ciry ?
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On February 23 2012 00:20 Bluelightz wrote:How did I do ciry ?
I would have taken the win for myself, if I had any doubts to phagga's alignment. You knew you were townie, and I didn't say anything about your alignment changing.
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rofl
I was totally like, holy shit, all my reads were wrong
and then Palmar flipped scum
fuck all you guys
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PM logs from me and phagga, SORRY TOWN
Original Message From phagga: I guess you are faking in the thread? In any case, I am on my mobile for the next 8 hours, cant come to irc. Show nested quote +Original Message From Bluelightz: Original Message From phagga:
Hey Bluelightz
I checked you last night, you are not scum. Papers said he checked you too and you returned townie (saw it in the IRC log). This means your claim is right.
If you checked the IRC log, then you will see that I spoke to Palmar and talked about lynching you. That's crap, I will ultimately vote for Palmar. I do this move because I want to see if he is really just going for the target that seems easiest for him.
As for your vote: If Palmar votes for me, I ask you to either vote Palmar (if you trust me) or vote for someone dead (if you don't trust me). If you refrain from voting and Palmar and I are voting for each other, it will be a double lynch with you surviving. I don't care if I die, as long as town wins.
If Palmar votes for you, just vote for him. I will do the same and we both survive.
If town wants to win, Palmar needs to die. If I die as well, I don't care.
What do you think? Well....................... If I die we still win :p Also, I trust you, because I am town yes. P.S I'm your apprentice wtf?
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Pack 1 (3) Elephant Hunters
2 Scum (Attuned), 2 Corrupted
Palmar, (Lanaia), Mattchew
Pack 2 (3) Pony Stalkers
2 Scum, 2 Corrupted (Attuned)
froggynoddy, [UoN]Sentinel, (ghost_403)
1 Leader 2 Godfather
Probulous
7 Baddies
1 Blessed Apprentice
Bluelightz
Blues (3)
Detective Paperscraps
Journalist phagga
Doctor Blazinghand
Greens (10)
2 Spy Rivals prplhz, layabout
Brutal Leader 1 mderg
Cursed Leader 3 Hufy
1 Blessed rgTheSchworz
5 VT Kenpachi, Grackaroni, Spiritclown, sinani206, zeurg
N0:
DT check: Blazinghand (Townie)
Journ Check: prplhz (Townie)
Doc Save: Kenpachi
GF check: Mattchew (Townie [Corrupted not Scum])
Elephant Hunt: Blazinghand, Backup prplhz
Pony Hunt: layabout
N1:
DT check: NONE
Journ Check: [UoN]Sentinel (Townie?)
GF check: Palmar (SCUM!)
Elephant Hunt: Mattchew
Pony Hunt: Kenpachi
Spycheck: Mattchew
N2:
DT check: nisani (Dead, no backup)
Journ Check: Lanaia (Townie?! also attuned)
GF check: Lanaia (Scum! [also ATTUNED])
Elephant Hunt: Probulous
Pony Hunt: prplhz
Spycheck: Palmar
N3:
DT check: ghost_403 (Townie?! [DERP])
Journ Check: froggynoddy (Townie?!)
Elephant Hunt: Grackaroni
Pony Hunt: Lanaia
N4:
Journ Check: Bluelightz
Elephant Hunt: froggynoddy
Pony Hunt: Paperscraps
N5:
Elephant Hunt: Bluelightz
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best moment ever
[21:27] <Probulous> The only people that are my town list are me, Palmar, Lanaia and Matt
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I'm so sad right now
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gg Palmar. Still cannot believe Bluelightz was so naive.
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Why does Palmar always have to flip a different alignment then me ?
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wait... palmar killed prob?
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Probulous caught [UoN]Sentinel though.
Sorry for playing horribly this game. Part of it was because the rival was also a town aligned survivor.
Stalker Rival is a crazy role and I think it was very hard for anything to happen with the rivals other than both of them getting scum killed, or possibly lynched if they fucked up too bad. We both had to not just kill the other person, we also had to survive until the end to win and we had to win with town. That's a tough win condition.
This is also why I just started calling everybody moron on day1, I thought it would make people ignore me while establishing innocence which was ideal for a town aligned survivor. At the same time I tried to be more influential in PMs so I wouldn't get killed off.
After checking Lanaia I was quite sure that she was attuned and that was a scum role. I also knew that she was aware of this so I claimed stalker (the weakest investigative role) and talked to her hoping that I wouldn't get killed by her team because I had to survive. When she told me to check Kenpachi next night I was absolutely sure that she was scum but I didn't want to push her in the thread because I had to survive.
I thought that Palmar was scum after his sinani206 push (and asking me if I was DT, and just his general behavior) but I didn't act on it because he was all like "oh i'm just so busy with everything". Meh, sorry for being more terrible than usual but the role freaked me out. I know what vaderseven was all about in XLVIII now with his shooting Soap (well not really, but I can relate to being freaked out by blue roles now).
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prplhz: probulous was the godfather; he played well because he scanned scum every night and clearly knew what was going on
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but why did palmar kill prob?
and why did i got shot for looking too townie TT
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Palmar didn't kill probulous, those notes are incorrect
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Blazinghand
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yeah i thought so... ok phew that woulda really mind fucked me
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Good job Palmar <3
GG everyone. I liked this setup.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
I had a lot of fun too. Thanks to Ciry and WBG for the hosting, I'm sure it must be a ton of work for a PM game <3
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GG guys. I kinda gave up this one but it was still fun, thanks to my scumbuddies for making it fun to be scum
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Awesome game. GG everyone. This game was pretty fun at the end, even town was very lazy and sheep status. Well done Palmar, good job breaking your meta, haha.
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Agreed, amazing game. @palmar that was a genius play. Totally deserved that.
@prplhz I was absolutely positive you were going to lynch me Day 2. 100% sure.
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On February 23 2012 01:01 syllogism wrote:
prplhz: probulous was the godfather; he played well because he scanned scum every night and clearly knew what was going on
♥ syllo
I didn't think Mattchew was scum when I scanned him so that was a mistake but I did pick Palmar day 2 and Lanaia day 3. Unfortunately they were on the same team. It was a hard role to play because I had to scum hunt but try and stay alive. Palmar played this like a pro. I think once both BH and layabout were shot town was already facing a major battle. The only person who was town and could stand up to Palmar with any credibility was Prpl and he got shot that night. The rest of town was far too passive and sheepy to ever put together a convincing case.
Thanks guys it was fun, though I think I will stick to minis.
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The D2 hunt orders were filled in in reverse order. XD
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What did Palmar do to become confirmed town?
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this was my very first mafia game I ever played, and it was really fun. Unfortunately I failed at the endgame, I wish I had the time to be in irc as well. Perhaps I might have been able to convince blue that I was town.
I'm very impressed with the play of Palmar. The way he was able to make people believe and how he was the topic of many discussions without saying much was incredible.
I'll surely stand more on my own feet in my next game. I know now better what to look out for. Big thanks to prplhz here who helped me along in PMs (I got one of his famous "ice breaker" PMs as well) until he got shot.
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goddamn it, I said early on in the scum QT that Palmar was almost certainly scum..... grrrr. Well played.
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On February 23 2012 15:23 Kenpachi wrote:
What did Palmar do to become confirmed town?
nothing.. but you knew that.. hence why we killed you
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On February 23 2012 22:00 froggynoddy wrote:
goddamn it, I said early on in the scum QT that Palmar was almost certainly scum..... grrrr. Well played.
Aaaah... he was our backup for so, sooooo long.
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Bump!
I am completing the library entry for this and was wondering whether anyone wanted to put together some analysis for me. I'll add mine but it always better if we have multiple entries.
Thanks!
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Probulous, I just looked at your post in the library, where you are preparing the entry for this game.
I noticed there is a question mark behind the results I received for my journalist checks on the night acts list. It's true that all checks returned townie to me (except for the Bluelights/Apprentice one). So I checked scum three nights in a row, but all returned townie because they had the wrong role, so to speak. (After getting the return on lanaya I even thought "well, that would be quite a coincidence if I checked two scums with the wrong role", which made me trust lanaya partially.
Also, Paperscraps should have never gotten a "scum" return on his dt check on ghost_403, as ghost was corrupted and can only be detected by journalists. (I guess that's why he "DERP")
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