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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On February 14 2012 04:07 SpiritClown wrote: I'm not suspecting... i just wondered if he sent that to everyone or if he sent it only to some ppl (the newbies)  Ok this is really odd. Why would he be asking people for their roles this early in the game? He doesn't know if they are scum or not and they sure as hell don't know if he is mafia. Spirit, can you post the PM in here. I want to know what Prpl is up to. I especially don't like the idea of him targeting newbs because I have not received anything and it seems neither has Lanaia. Besides this whilst he has a page of posts they collectively say nothing. He stated before game On February 11 2012 06:45 prplhz wrote: I'm going to play exactly like I usually do. If I deviate in any way I should be summarily lynched. Compare this play to his previous game Click me where he shot nisani206 night one and was actively leading town. So SpiritClown, please post that PM. Anyone else who received a PM from prpl asking for their role post it too. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On February 14 2012 06:29 layabout wrote: Mattchew are you aware that activity by itself is not indicative of alignment? On February 14 2012 06:26 Mattchew wrote: Sinani206 and [UoN]Sentinel have to start contributing. This is my FOS pressure on them to get them to crawl out and start participating. If they stay silent I believe they are good lynch candidates. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
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SpiritClown
Italy35 Posts
Original Message From prplhz: Hi What is your alignment and role? Best regards My first answer Original Message From SpiritClown: I know I'm new but I'm not so stupid to tell u my alignment and role like this. Try with someone else mate. glhf His Answer to this Original Message From prplhz: You don't even want to tell me your alignment? That would be rather harmless if you were town but you tell me specifically that you do not want to tell me your alignment. Everybody else told me their alignment. This sounds like you have something to hide regarding your alignment. Townies don't have anything to hide regarding their alignment. I think you're scum. Have a nice day. My final answer Believe what u prefer. Telling my alingnment and trait to someone over a pm it's silly. Take your own conclusion on this | ||
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rgTheSchworz
Romania425 Posts
Mattchew, despite the obvious focus on prplhz, which btw everyone will be one him once incriminationg data is posted, you dont give anything new. Also, look at how he towns Blazinghand, although Blazin has stated that he has been spammy as both scum and town. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On February 14 2012 06:40 rgTheSchworz wrote: For me this thread starts just here. Mattchew, despite the obvious focus on prplhz, which btw everyone will be one him once incriminationg data is posted, you dont give anything new. Also, look at how he towns Blazinghand, although Blazin has stated that he has been spammy as both scum and town. its not the quantity its the tone of bh's posts I am refering to. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On February 13 2012 09:36 Bluelightz wrote: Also, on irc im Bluelightz, but sometimes might derp around and might be Mr_Blue or Mr_Lightz Blue, you want to participate in this game? I can't find anything from you on irc and you have posted zip in here. Who are your reads excluding prpl? Last game you were posting left right and centre on day 1 Click me. You voted and unvoted and voted and unvoted and just posted shitloads. Why not this game? FOS Bluelightz | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On February 14 2012 06:40 rgTheSchworz wrote: Also, look at how he towns Blazinghand, although Blazin has stated that he has been spammy as both scum and town. Link me to any game where I've been spammy as scum, or any statement where I've stated that I have played a scum game in which I am spammy. | ||
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rgTheSchworz
Romania425 Posts
At least if they re intelligent. They get caught so easily. So I believe that you made an overstatement towning BH | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
Anyone else get one? | ||
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Lanaia
Canada1142 Posts
All in one place: [18:53] <derpladee> r u scum? [18:53] <Lanaia> no sir [18:54] <derpladee> r u sure? [18:54] <Lanaia> yes [18:54] <Lanaia> god, homework sucks [18:58] <derpladee> yea [18:58] <derpladee> and parents just don't understand [18:59] <Lanaia> lol [19:02] <derpladee> you have any thoughts on the game? [19:02] <derpladee> what is your role? [19:02] <derpladee> you can PM it [19:02] <derpladee> because i don't want everybody else to know [19:02] <Lanaia> I don't want anyone to know yet. could be dangerous, you know [19:02] <Mattchew> lol really prp? [19:03] <derpladee> you can too Mattchew [19:03] <derpladee> i'm building a collection | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
1314 <rgTheSchworz> Hello 1314 <rgTheSchworz> you here? 1344 <Blazinghand> yo 1345 <rgTheSchworz> yo 1345 <rgTheSchworz> sup, you scum? 1346 <rgTheSchworz> cuz I sure am <rgTheSchworz> yep, guys you heard it <Blazinghand> I see no reason to interact with this guy <Blazinghand> all he's doing is trolling <rgTheSchworz> I am scum <rgTheSchworz> I see you dont want to respond <Blazinghand> are you claiming scum? <rgTheSchworz> and you havent responded despite you having PM ed me First <Blazinghand> are you claiming scum? <rgTheSchworz> yes man, i m scum lynch me <Blazinghand> then I have no reason to interact with you. <Blazinghand> you are either trolling or scum. <rgTheSchworz> lol <rgTheSchworz> you are either town or scum <rgTheSchworz> ,,hmm, nice analysis <Lanaia> you're a genius. <rgTheSchworz> That s basically what he said <rgTheSchworz> Trolling means town <Blazinghand> no, trolling means worthless <Blazinghand> either way i have no reason to interact with you and answer your questions <rgTheSchworz> So, bad town <Blazinghand> you are not a valuable town player; you are either worthless or scum <Lanaia> worthless either way <Blazinghand> there is no possibility I will gain anything from interacting with you ಠ_ಠ rgTS is basically just trolling it up. There's no reason to interact with him as he is either worthless town or scum | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On February 14 2012 06:45 Probulous wrote: Blue, you want to participate in this game? I can't find anything from you on irc and you have posted zip in here. Who are your reads excluding prpl? Last game you were posting left right and centre on day 1 Click me. You voted and unvoted and voted and unvoted and just posted shitloads. Why not this game? FOS Bluelightz Ok it seems the search wasn't picking up him correctly, I used "blue' instead of "Blue". Reading logs now. God damn IRC is a bitch to read. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
Mr Not A Smurf, AKA zeurg, where you at brother? This [10:14] <Mattchew> how long has zeurg been here [10:14] <UpHomework> no idea [10:14] <Probulous> Now that IS an insight. *claps loudly* [10:14] <zeurg> I missed a yesterday so I've been catching up on reading and stuff [10:15] <zeurg> Completely forgot about this [10:15] <Mattchew> zeurg you scum? [10:15] <zeurg> no im a townie [10:15] <zeurg> fo sho is not enough to redeem you for lurking. I expect and answer to my question [10:19] <Probulous> Since you haven't posted anything at all, what are your reads, feelings, gut instincts, tea leaves saying to you? Come on son, I know it is your first game but just gives answer this. I won't bite, or at least not too hard. | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
Anyway I do n't have any scum reads but my town reads are Palmar Paperscraps Layabout Grackaroni | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
Anyway I do n't have any scum reads but my town reads are Palmar Paperscraps Layabout Grackaroni | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On February 14 2012 06:26 Mattchew wrote: prplhz I find his posts to be bland on the side of scummy. Here is how you say literally nothing in 5 out of 7 posts. 1 Compare this to town prplhz in previous games, it is very different. 2 + Show Spoiler + On February 13 2012 22:41 prplhz wrote: Um... wow the only thing I have to say here is that you're literally retarded. Like, you rode the short bus to school and there are special classes for you. But that's okay! I don't discriminate. .................... anyway, if you're on a channel and you're OP then you can use: /mode #channelname +s to make the channel secret, it will not show up on /whois for anybody who isn't also on that same channel with you. This does not stay if there is a period when nobody on the channel so make sure you set it again if you're the first one in there again later. Didn't you say you were not going to act this way in this game? What made you decide to act this way anyway? Crusading forumer (vigilante) shouldn't shoot tonight if that wasn't obvious. On February 13 2012 12:09 prplhz wrote: Holy fuck I'm a queen that's maybe even cooler than a lurker!!! : I'm like Forumite and Foolishness now On February 13 2012 08:52 prplhz wrote: How should I know? I didn't talk to him so I have no idea what all this fuss is about. Maybe you guys could post those IRC logs and everybody else could have a look? On February 13 2012 08:35 prplhz wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/4QxXq.jpg) A scumdar that works 50% of the time isn't "clearly off" when there aren't 50% scum in the game. also This shouldn't need to be said. Also, this is planting the seeds for directing blues in the future.3 Coupled with his role fishing out of thread4, I believe prplhz is scum. 1: How did I say "literally nothing"? List of things I've said in my posts:
I'm not sure you want to use the word "literally" here, and also, I'm actually saying stuff. 2: You invoke meta when you say that people should compare this with my town games. If you are not invoking meta on me then I'm clearly not the one who has said the least so far and your first argument is totally invalid (which it is anyway). First of all, invoking meta on night0, like 24 hours into the game is pretty silly by itself but alright. Second, you are not actually comparing this to other games, you are just implying that there is a difference without showing it. Is this is a case of "guilty until proven otherwise"? It's a bit early in the game for that. I started this game out a bit slow because it's night0 and there's plenty of time to go until lynch deadline. I still joked around like I usually do but instead of semi-RNG voting (I've done that for like the past 2 games (I think?), but I can't do that this game because it's night0 start) I posted a picture with a one liner (pictures are usually reserved for huge cases or campaigns). I can't really retort to the meta accusation in any way before you elaborate on it, compare my play with my old town games and my old scum games and see if you can find anything that points in one direction or the other. I encourage everybody else who is seriously considering the possibility that I'm scum to do this as well. 3: We talked about this on IRC and Skype. Here are the logs: + Show Spoiler [IRC Log] + For time reference, this was about 4 hours ago. --- Log opened Mon Feb 13 19:57:17 2012 19:57:17-!- Irssi: Starting query in QuakeNet with Mattchew_ 19:57:17<Mattchew_> i dont talk to scum 19:57:21<Mattchew_> to answer your question before 19:58:51<derpladee> lol dude 19:58:53<derpladee> i don't get phased by that --- Log closed Mon Feb 13 19:59:16 2012 --- Log opened Mon Feb 13 19:59:52 2012 19:59:52-!- Irssi: Starting query in QuakeNet with Mattchew_ 19:59:52<Mattchew_> why you blue hunting 20:00:25<derpladee> you'll have to clarify that, when did i blue hunt and how? 20:01:37<Mattchew_> you role fishing excuse me 20:01:53<Mattchew_> i think i am switching the words fish and hunt 20:01:54<Mattchew_> lol 20:02:10<derpladee> you're worried about stupid words? you have an opinion why are you afraid of it? 20:02:24<derpladee> when and how did i blue hunt/fish/whateverwordyouseemtolikeatthismoment? 20:03:25<derpladee> you seem to be throwing an accusation at me and then when i ask you to clarify you're just going away 20:03:46<Mattchew_> im asking you why are you doing that 20:04:06<Mattchew_> i have never seen any town people do that 20:04:11<derpladee> i'm asking you when and how i did that 20:04:15<derpladee> let me turn this around 20:04:20<derpladee> why are YOU blue hunting? 20:04:33<derpladee> you're not so you'll ask me "when and how did i do this?" and i can't answer because you didn't 20:04:37<derpladee> now lets turn it around again 20:04:42<Mattchew_> Sure. I have not asked a single person for their role 20:04:43<derpladee> you're asking me why i blue hunt and i'm asking you when and how 20:04:49<derpladee> okay 20:04:52<derpladee> so i asked somebody for their role 20:04:55<derpladee> is that the accusation? 20:05:06<Mattchew_> I am wondering why you are doing this 20:05:17<derpladee> lol 20:05:21<derpladee> because i want to know people's role 20:05:28<Mattchew_> directing blues and trying to find them is scummy 20:05:47<derpladee> when and how did i direct blues? 20:06:17<Mattchew_> thats an assumption 20:06:24<derpladee> so you're assuming that i directed blues 20:06:30<derpladee> and then i asked at least 1 person for his/her role 20:06:32<Mattchew_> based off if someone told you their role you'd want to direct them 20:06:33<derpladee> and now you want me dead 20:06:39<derpladee> is that it? 20:06:42<derpladee> did i get this right? 20:07:08<Mattchew_> why are you so nervous 20:07:12<derpladee> i actually did direct blues in the thread when i told all medics/jailers to be on palmar tonight but apparently you don't care about that 20:07:14<derpladee> i'm not nervous lol 20:07:14<Mattchew_> about me getting you killed 20:07:20<derpladee> you're not getting me killed 20:07:26<derpladee> i'm preventing that 20:07:29<derpladee> it's plurailty lynch 20:07:38<derpladee> and i don't want a noob conjuring up a shitstorm because he doesn't know better 20:07:40<derpladee> and then people voting me 20:07:53<derpladee> your accusations are pretty shabby as we've just established through this conversation 20:09:07<derpladee> i think the amount of text and how little i hesitated at any point during this conversation shows how i'm not nervous at all 20:09:16<derpladee> the opposite applies to you more 20:09:18<derpladee> but that's okay 20:09:35<derpladee> for now --- Log closed Mon Feb 13 20:11:04 2012 + Show Spoiler [Skype log] + Monday, February 13, 2012 [8:09:49 PM] Matt Kaplan: my irc is fucking up [8:14:36 PM] Captain Spectacular: okay [8:14:45 PM] Matt Kaplan: i am at work [8:14:52 PM] Matt Kaplan: and my work internets is mad complex [8:14:57 PM] Captain Spectacular: okay [8:14:57 PM] Matt Kaplan: and i am a newb to computers [8:15:00 PM] Matt Kaplan: so anyway [8:15:38 PM] Matt Kaplan: where did i stop responding [8:15:42 PM] Captain Spectacular: no idea [8:15:49 PM] Captain Spectacular: i think we were done after your last response [8:15:59 PM] Captain Spectacular: i wanted you to clarify why you wanted me dead [8:16:05 PM] Captain Spectacular: so that i could tell you that none of that was scummy [8:16:44 PM] Matt Kaplan: who would you like to lynch [8:16:52 PM] Captain Spectacular: that's not what we're talking about [8:16:58 PM] Captain Spectacular: we're talking about you wanted to lynch me [8:17:00 PM] Captain Spectacular: i have a problem with that [8:17:11 PM] Captain Spectacular: and you can't explain to me why you want to lynch me [8:17:52 PM] Matt Kaplan: I think that anything involving the asking for roles is scummy [8:17:58 PM] Captain Spectacular: can you tell me why? [8:18:00 PM] Matt Kaplan: i dont like that palmar did it either [8:18:11 PM] Captain Spectacular: okay so it's just something you have decided to think but there's not much reason behind it? [8:18:16 PM] Captain Spectacular: why would i do this as scum but not as town? [8:18:19 PM] Captain Spectacular: that's really the question [8:18:26 PM] Captain Spectacular: it doesn't matter if scum would do something, if town would also do it [8:18:28 PM] Matt Kaplan: to find out which people you want to ikill [8:18:45 PM] Captain Spectacular: also [8:19:02 PM] Captain Spectacular: you are basing this off of what, spiritwolf whining in the thread and how i asked lanaia casually on public irc? [8:19:07 PM] Captain Spectacular: do you think anybody answered at any point? [8:19:12 PM] Captain Spectacular: this was an ice breaker to get to talk to people [8:19:21 PM] Captain Spectacular: if they wanted to claim that was just cool [8:19:28 PM] Captain Spectacular: i can clearly use that [8:19:48 PM] Captain Spectacular: and then i'm directing blues [8:19:51 PM] Captain Spectacular: or at least you assume so [8:19:57 PM] Captain Spectacular: so you want to kill me off of an assumption? [8:20:07 PM] Captain Spectacular: and you didn't read the thread apparently, where i actually pretty straight forwardly direct blues [8:20:13 PM] Captain Spectacular: when i tell medics and jailers to all protect palmar tonight [8:20:21 PM] Captain Spectacular: was that scummy too? [8:20:34 PM] Matt Kaplan: yes [8:20:38 PM] Matt Kaplan: imo [8:20:41 PM] Captain Spectacular: okay [8:20:42 PM] Captain Spectacular: it wasn't [8:21:01 PM] Captain Spectacular: tons of new people here and palmar is best scum hunter [8:21:09 PM] Captain Spectacular: wouldn't you agree? [8:21:22 PM] Matt Kaplan: i don't think they need to be told this [8:21:23 PM] Captain Spectacular: wouldn't it be fucking terrible if palmar flips town tomorrow because nobody knew to proteect him? [8:21:32 PM] Captain Spectacular: alright, i think there's absolutely no harm done in telling them [8:21:35 PM] Captain Spectacular: maybe it will even help us [8:21:38 PM] Captain Spectacular: in case they had no fucking clue [8:21:56 PM] Captain Spectacular: ultimately it's not more scummy than it's townie [8:21:57 PM] Matt Kaplan: i hate the idea of a medic trusting anyone [8:22:00 PM] Matt Kaplan: other than themselves [8:22:05 PM] Captain Spectacular: you are basing all of this off of your opinions on different subjects [8:22:16 PM] Captain Spectacular: if you go through old games of mine i'm sure you can find somewhere else where i direct blues [8:22:25 PM] Captain Spectacular: i can even find you a town game where i direct medics onto palmar [8:22:29 PM] Captain Spectacular: if you want to [8:22:34 PM] Captain Spectacular: because i distinctly remember it [8:22:46 PM] Captain Spectacular: okay [8:22:52 PM] Captain Spectacular: i want medics to trust me more than they trust themselves [8:23:03 PM] Matt Kaplan: lol [8:23:17 PM] Captain Spectacular: is this a problem? [8:23:22 PM] Matt Kaplan: if your scum [8:23:29 PM] Matt Kaplan: its a huge problem [8:23:51 PM] Captain Spectacular: so you want to lynch me, not because i'm scum, but because you're afraid i could be scum? [8:24:14 PM] Matt Kaplan: I want to lynch you [8:24:17 PM] Matt Kaplan: because [8:24:32 PM] Matt Kaplan: of the little information on everyone we have [8:24:33 PM] Captain Spectacular: because i wrote in public irc to lanaia "hey, what's your role?" [8:24:38 PM] Matt Kaplan: yours is the scummiest [8:25:15 PM] Captain Spectacular: and because you're assuming i will use that info, which i never got and which i never pushed for, to direct night hits because i'm scum? [8:25:50 PM] Matt Kaplan: to direct your scum teams hits as well [8:27:14 PM] Captain Spectacular: okay i'm going to go do something else for a while [8:27:17 PM] Captain Spectacular: we can maybe talk later [8:28:05 PM] Matt Kaplan: kkk Excerpt from IRC Log: 20:05:28<Mattchew_> directing blues and trying to find them is scummy You are basing your initial "directing the blues" accusations off an assumption that I am role fishing to direct blues. This is silly but more importantly, you thought that I was scum before you even read my filter? If you thought I was directing blues, and you read my filter then you surely wouldn't have missed the post where I actually straight up direct blues. You didn't even read my god damn filter before your accusations. That's pretty shabby. I keep asking Mattchew why directing the blues and role fishing is scummy but he cannot answer. It appears to me to be some sort of backwards logic. Skype excerpt: [8:23:22 PM] Matt Kaplan: if your scum So it's only a problem if I'm scum? This is backwards logic at its finest; I am scum because if I am scum then my actions would be a problem to town, and that is scummy consequently making me scum. What?! Everybody should ask themselves: "If there is a medic or a vigilante or whatever in this game, would town not benefit from me knowing who they are and from me being able to direct them?". Ask yourselves: "Would town benefit from me not knowing who they are and from me not trying to direct their roles?". 4: The role fishing accusation is stupid in itself as Lanaia already pointed out. I'm pretty sure Mattchew only knew about me asking Lanaia for her role when he started complaining about how I was role fishing, and I was really just breaking the ice, but also this shows how little Mattchew was basing this case on. I was scum because I was role fishing because I casually asked Lanaia and Mattchew about their roles in public IRC. I have PM'd people on here (among them SpiritWolf) asking for their role and that was really just meant as an ice breaker, I never really bullied them and I moved on to other topics. Also, I have a PM with one of them with a timestamp from before these accusations where I tell him that the whole role fishing thing was actually just an ice breaker. There are ridiculously many ways to attack this accusation from the lack of effort to the factual inaccuracies to the bad arguments. Overall your case is a copy of my filter, unsubstantiated night0 meta, and some backwards logic shiz you can't really explain why it's scummy other than "I think so". Since this is one of the first cases in the thread I'm not going to hold it against you but your future cases should be better and you should also try to put some effort into them On February 14 2012 06:30 Probulous wrote: Ok this is really odd. Why would he be asking people for their roles this early in the game? He doesn't know if they are scum or not and they sure as hell don't know if he is mafia. Spirit, can you post the PM in here. I want to know what Prpl is up to. I especially don't like the idea of him targeting newbs because I have not received anything and it seems neither has Lanaia. Besides this whilst he has a page of posts they collectively say nothing. He stated before game Compare this play to his previous game Click me where he shot nisani206 night one and was actively leading town. So SpiritClown, please post that PM. Anyone else who received a PM from prpl asking for their role post it too. Again, invoking meta on night0, and this time to a game that is still in progress. Not going to talk about it until Normal Mini Mafia I is over and you shouldn't either and it's really a bastard move to incriminate me using a game that's still in progress because I can't defend myself against your accusations even though it would be ridiculously easy. (for instance, you are complaining on night0 that I haven't shot scum on night1 yet) I think it's a bit early for other people to post their PMs with me in the thread, but I can't really prevent them. I fail to see what good it will do for anybody though. So this refutation turned out to be a little bigger than should have been necessary but this is plurality lynch and I also wanted to set a good example. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On February 14 2012 09:21 prplhz wrote: Again, invoking meta on night0, and this time to a game that is still in progress. Not going to talk about it until Normal Mini Mafia I is over and you shouldn't either and it's really a bastard move to incriminate me using a game that's still in progress because I can't defend myself against your accusations even though it would be ridiculously easy. (for instance, you are complaining on night0 that I haven't shot scum on night1 yet) I think it's a bit early for other people to post their PMs with me in the thread, but I can't really prevent them. I fail to see what good it will do for anybody though. You are right about the meta stuff for an ongoing game. I apologise, I had not thought of it that way. However, my point was that sinani was clearly not participating in that game and he isn't here. Yet you have not pushed him for it. You even mentioned in that game that he was playing so differently to his normal game that he was obvious scum. Do you believe differently this game? The reason I wanted people to post their PM was so I could see whether you are targeting the newbies. That is a scummy as hell thing to do. Can you provide a list of those you PM'd? | ||
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