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Get Nazgul in here for the sequel! | ||
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On February 04 2012 07:31 syllogism wrote: Radfield is probably going to attempt to communicate with his insane inmate buddies, so keep eye on that for an easy day 1 lynch e: oh they are just regular millers this time, that's unfortunate Nah dude, that's my forte. | ||
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Not much going on so far, scummiest thing in the thread is Kenpachi's claim...but obviously he's mothafuckin Kenpachi so that's like whatevs. Do scum get to choose what role gets hit as opposed to which player with the Deadshot kp? | ||
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On February 06 2012 15:31 Katina wrote: I find it peculiar how you're able to use so many words yet say so little in the process On February 06 2012 15:41 Katina wrote: .... I find it peculiar how you're able to use so many words yet say so little in the process What I find peculiar is how you're able to repeat yourself while saying so little in the process. Are you getting scummy vibes off Sheth? You pickin up a lil red tinge there? | ||
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The reason I asked was this: He infiltrates Arkham City in order to target certain people. Hugo Strange tells him who to shoot each night and thus deadshot will carry out the contract and kill that person. If Hugo Strange is killed, deadshot will no longer be able to carry out his attacks. It's a little ambiguous as to how the deadshot KP works and I wanted mod confirmation that it wasn't what I read it as...which is that Strange gives him a character name and Deadshot kills that guy if he's in the game. The reason I thought it worked this way is because of the fact that not all the names mentioned are guaranteed to be in the game, so it would be a decent way to force scum to think about how they use that KP, because it could be ineffective. Anyway, the fact that anyone is voting for me for this is a little disturbing considering there's already like 3 pages of setup speculation and a mass-claim has been proposed. Kitaman, care to explain your vote in a little detail? Or are you scum just hoping to start a bandwagon? | ||
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ANYWAY, I guess since trying to understand the setup is scummy, I'll just embrace my ignorance and live up to expectations. ##Vote: kitaman27 + Show Spoiler + My vote is about his lack of reasoning for voting for me, and attempt to start a bandwagon (Forumite also appears to be suspicious of me, so I'm taking kita's vote of me as a direct appeal to him...your mileage may vary.) Clearly all I ever do is OMGUS, so I've spoilered out my actual reasoning since it's imaginary anyway. | ||
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On February 07 2012 02:56 layabout wrote: lets all vote for no good reason! When we're done with that, maybe we can all contribute without contributing! It'll be great fun! | ||
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I'm mid rereading now and will post thoughts soon. | ||
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##Unvote: kitaman27 Now for the good stuff. VisceraEyes Lynch List of Accuracy layabout - For criticizing others play as being non-contributory, yet contributes nothing of substance himself. Any idea who he thinks is scum? Me either. Katina - Again, criticizing others for not contributing, but not contributing. Masquerading doesn't count guys - you actually have to do something. kitaman27 - Kita appears to be doing something akin to scumhunting, and because he's a veteran, I'm willing to wait on his lynch - however, I think he's scum because he appealed to Forumite's suspicion of me to try and get a bandwagon started, but never even really voted for me…just stinks and I don't like it. But again, Kita is my weakest read at this point and I wouldn't be butthurt if we didn't lynch him today. Also, Palmar is mistaken - lynching me is totally NOT always a net-gain for town. He's saying this because he's a prick. So, there you have it. ##Vote: layabout | ||
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On February 07 2012 01:45 layabout wrote: Kita, how can batman claim his hits without claiming and being modkilled? + there has been a lot of discussion about very little, please cut it out. This was, in fact, the post I was referring to. While it's not as overt as Katina's repetition, it's still calling out people who aren't contributing, while contributing gems such as + Show Spoiler + if anybody need help organising their thoughts i have a pretty useful MS paint template: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Q9mkP.png) I get the joke, I get it. You're saying you don't know who's scum...but it's not contributing ANYTHING to the thread while you're criticizing the play of others (tedious walls-of-text explaining weak/stupid reads). Tell me what that picture was supposed to add to town's hunt for scum please layabout. Are the names organized in some sort of way? Do the names above the key mean anything? Below? What was the POINT of that post other than to get a laugh out of town? If there WAS no point, then don't say you "have the decency to not waste peoples time with fluff". | ||
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On February 07 2012 07:19 layabout wrote: glad you asked: the names above the key are there because there was no room below the key. that picture will become my primary tool for scumhunting in this and quite likely furture games. it is similar in essence to a Nisani "node graph" but is better because it is in paint. You also prompted me to add a new section for those players that i just cannot read I present Arkham city V 2.0.1.png: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/i9O8W.png) Cute. Now die scum. | ||
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Doctor. Lord of the Typefaces. You've got the wrong guy. I'm trying to lynch the scums. | ||
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On Sheth, I agree that he hasn't contributed much outside his initial bout of posts, but I wouldn't go so far as to call it scummy just yet. His posts left me with a feeling that he's eager to find scum, whether he was capable of doing so at the time or not. Tentatively I have a null read on Sheth, but if he doesn't come in here and show that he's willing to put in effort to actually do something, I'm totally okay with lynching Sheth. No question. | ||
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On February 07 2012 09:40 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Why do you think I'm not willing to put in effort? You also flip flop from that I'm eager to find scum and null with being ok to lynch me. I don't like this play at all. I never said you're not willing to put in effort. I said IF you're not willing to put in effort, then your lynch has my approval. While I got you here though, who do you think is scum and why? All this Batman talk is fascinating, but we DO have to lynch today ya? Who should it be? | ||
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##Unvote: layabout ##Vote: Liquid`Sheth Palmar, why have you got a hardon for lynching me bro? I'm not scum. I'm the towniest town that ever towned a town. Best CHECK YOSELF. | ||
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On February 08 2012 02:53 Bill Murray wrote: has anyone talked about the gay phone network, yet? wtf is this shit? | ||
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On February 08 2012 03:09 Bill Murray wrote: there is a gigantic mason network im a part of that is why i'm claiming a power role i know a confirmed town, as well Whaaaat? No one invited me?! I am disappoint. | ||
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On February 08 2012 03:10 Palmar wrote: Why do you care so little about this game? What are you talking about? This is the second game you've said that in - the first one I was scum so I was like 'meh' but this time I'm actually offended. Obviously I care about the game, or my first act every morning (afternoon?) wouldn't be to read the thread and post my thoughts. Why do you feel the need to insult and belittle my effort this game? | ||
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On February 08 2012 04:57 Bill Murray wrote: I want everyone to answer these: 1) How were you introduced to mafia? 2) How would you describe your playstyle? 3) Are you better as mafia, or town? RVS is overrated. I personally prefer RQS, and having a questionnaire. As such, I will initiate that: I'll go first. 1) I first started here, on Teamliquid 2) I would say that I'm erratic, with unique and creative ideas 3) I am better at getting people to listen to me as mafia, but sometimes I am obvious. I would say I am better overall at being town, though, like this game, people rarely listen to me. I am actually a very good scumhunter, which is why I was kind of nervous when I got a power role. @adam, on page 14 you voted for someone who, having not posted, was in line to be modkilled in that post you had legit reasoning to vote kurumi why would you vote for someone you had to have a null read on, unless he's your scumbuddy, when you may end up being stuck with that vote if you can't get back on before the deadline? (internet problems, family problems, zombie apocalypse) wouldnt it be better to have a vote on someone you have reasoning on, regardless of when it occurs within the game? Random questions like this could very easily allow Mafia to hollowly contribute to the (drowning) thread. Please do something relevant or spam your 'mason network' with this BS. I'm really starting to get a red feel from BM because of shit like this. Can we just lynch it? Sheth has at least come back and this is destroying the town atmosphere. | ||
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On February 08 2012 06:24 Liquid`Sheth wrote: So here is my vote + reason. Cyber_Cheese He posted this : This is the last post in a long line of posts going after RG. RG has now claimed blue as detective and I believe him. Its just something he would do. I realize its horribly bad (RG never claim unless you're sure your going to die at night). The first thing I thought when I read this was "…..so what?" Like, it doesn't say why the post is bad, it merely states factually that "This is the last post in a long line of posts going after RG." He then gives his opinion of RG's claim, but that doesn't matter because this is a case against Cyber_Cheese. So what, Sheth? What about that post don't you like? That he doesn't believe the claim and you do? That tells nothing of his alignment. This is a waste of space in the thread. On February 08 2012 06:24 Liquid`Sheth wrote: lso he wanted to give up the Joker right away. This isn't something a townie would do. Which leads me to think either Batman or Scum. I'm definitely happy voting for him. I was going to choose VE for my vote, but after reading CC's filter I find it really bad. He also has such lovely posts as : And instead of going after the "long line of posts going after RG", the DT you claim to believe, he then rounds out his case quoting Cyber's first two in-game posts. Only reason given: "This isn't something a townie would do" …why? It's a slightly more complex setup and has guaranteed third-parties. It's true that third party discussion dominated the first part of today, but Cyber_Cheese was doing it before it was cool man. [/hipster] In short, I disagree…concisely giving his thoughts on the third party situation then adding that if you DON'T want to talk about third parties, then come up with a different topic very much IS something a townie would do. On February 08 2012 06:24 Liquid`Sheth wrote: If you think my stuff is fluff, check out Cyber's filter. So ##Vote Cyber_Cheese I did - it has fleshed out opinions on players and participation in town discussion. This is NOT something I see going over your filter. All and all, I feel like this case is a desperate attempt by scum trying to avoid the lynch by trying to appear contributing, but falling short. It looks thrown together. It looks scummy. Everyone vote for Liquid`Sheth. I may or may not give you an e-cookie. | ||
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) and there are a few themes I'm noticing.1) OMGUS Too many votes (mine included) have been based solely on the fact that someone thinks you're scum. 2) Starfucking Too many townies are depending on vets to win them the game like we did in L. There's a reason 2 people won that game, and it's certainly NOT because they waited for someone else to tell them who to vote for. Stop depending on others to scumhunt for you and do it yourself. It's more satisfying to hit red when you found the guy yourself and lead the lynch. 3) PR-Claiming Stop fucking claiming. What the holy fuck, do you realize that we have outted at least 3 and possibly more PRs in DAY ONE?! Stop it!!! GAAAHHHHH!!! Now, everyone needs to get back on the Sheth lynch. I'll elaborate when I get home, but after reading his filter in context (going back and seeing how people reacted to ALL of his posts -.-) I'm even more certain he's scum. This has been a public service announcement. | ||
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Sheth fucking dies tomorrow motherfuckers. No excuses. I'm making it my mission. Palmar, can I count on you to rally the newbz? | ||
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You fools need to stop claiming. I don't fucking care why you did it, you were wrong for doing it. The point of having town PRs is to offset Mafia's information advantage, and you're actively destroying town's one advantage by claiming. It's going to be a blue blood-bath tonight. | ||
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On February 09 2012 00:59 Jackal58 wrote: I'm fucking Santa Claus DAMNIT JACKAL NOW MAFIA ARE GOING TO KNOW HOW TO RUIN CHRISTMAS | ||
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On February 09 2012 01:26 Palmar wrote: now* As opposed to.... | ||
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Palmar has a deep-seeded hatred for lying to town, so unless he's scum (unlikely imo) the claim is probably real. Like, that's kinda a strange mechanic...but whatevs. By extension, that kinda confirms Toad for me too which is cool cause he was starting to sound reachy and desperate...so that's a bonus. Palmar, you gonna share your thoughts before dawn or are you gonna let ur gun do the talking? | ||
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On February 09 2012 06:26 Palmar wrote: Some men just want to watch the world burn. This town doesn't deserve you sir. | ||
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Sheth's complete absence absolutely solidifies my read on him, and unless some darling vig has done the job for me, I'm making it my duty to see him hang tomorrow if I survive the night. Take a look at his previous games guys, he's WAAAAAAY more active than this as town, and all the crazy shit that's gone on today would NOT have gone without comment from townSheth. He gotta HANG bro, and whoever doesn't think so is fucking SCUM and will be treated as such. Night ends in a few hours, and because I'll probably die to some idiot town vig (thanks Palmar/Rad -.-) make sure he gets his daily dose of fiber if you please. Others who need to taste of the delicious rope: Katina - Still have no idea who Katina thinks is scum. She's popped in to toss in a comment or two during the shennanies, but interestingly no comment on who should hang or why. DocH - Actively opposed my Sheth lynch. Why? Because he was scumhunting THIRD PARTY. We should be aiming for scum guys, every lynch we have needs to be aiming for SCUM. We have to kill SCUM to win. If DocH (or anyone for that matter) honestly thought C_C was 3rd party, your asses should have been on the Sheth lynch. hiro protagonist - this guy....yup. I think this guy is scum. I'm ready to "pull the trigger" (quotes indicating that this is NOT a soft-claim of any kind) on a hiro lynch. He's my weakest read of the 4 I'm ready to lynch, though...mainly based on the LOOOOOW content. | ||
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Because it's a girls name? | ||
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)Re: hiro - I've played with hiro and I think I've got a pretty good idea how he plays. He's generally goodish - active, opinionated and willing to call BS when he sees it. That's not the hiro I've seen this game, not even a little bit. That's why him over other random lurkers who I have NOT played with and can NOT read (see: Kenpachi)....and honestly I forgot Opz was even in the game, so yeah. I can tentatively replace you with Opz (as far as I know, he's a vet and should know better if he's town) as opposed to Kenpachi, who plays like this every game regardless of alignment. Kenpachi is a vig shot if anything. | ||
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On February 09 2012 09:32 Jackal58 wrote: QT Palmar says thread Palmar is a dumbass. If that's true, I like QT Palmar better. | ||
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This is what I was talking about!!! ##Vote: Liquid`Sheth I'm mid reread, but thought I would throw that in there. Palmar you done trollin bro? | ||
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On February 10 2012 02:13 Palmar wrote: I'm all for someone shooting layabout tonight. In addition to obvious targets like Kitaman, Hiro, VisceraEyes etc. WTF why am I an obvious target?! What is your deal exactly? I've been doing everything I can this game! What the fuck makes you so sure I'm scum? My guess? You're not - you don't give a shit because you're scum or third party. Luckily we'll know after Sheth flips - if he's town, you're obvScum. Not me because I'm patently bad at this game, but you're some kind of scumhunting prodigy or whatever. I'd say your trolling and generally unhelpful attitude makes you a FAR more attractive target than me, but maybe that's just because I'm playing for the side that actually GIVES A SHIT. | ||
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Liquid`Sheth - His return to the thread from the busy days past has been less than impressive, to say the very least. He's only interested in saving his own life, not in finding and eliminating threats to town. As such, it pleases me greatly to see that he's (at least for now) our choice for lynch. Opz - A lurker - and a site-veteran lurker. He's on Jackal's list of phone-network buddies, but I haven't seen much in the way of finding scum from Opz. Every passing hour that he hasn't done shit in the thread is another reason we should hang this guy. hiro protagonist - This one's silence has now reached a deafening cacophony of scumminess to me. He's not looking for scum...or if he is, he's not sharing with the class. This one is tomorrow's lynch if he lives through the night (I hope he doesn't.) Kurumi - WBG entered today with an INSTANTANEOUS vote for Kurumi. Now, he hasn't claimed any kind of DT role or anything, but being a semi veteran of the site and a decent player, that's not surprising. But it's the kind of behavior I'd expect from a DT with a red check. I'll be looking into Kurumi in much greater detail, but for now he's on my lynch-list. VisceraEyes Watch-List of Vigilance Katina - Downgraded from my lynch-list for being constantly on my Sheth lynch unwaveringly. If she were a scumbuddy, I'd have expected at least a little resistance yesterday when I was pushing or at the very least today. However, something about her screams 'doing-bare-minimum-to-avoid-lynch'. I'm watching Katina like a hawk. Palmar - Again, unwaveringly on my Sheth lynch. Palmar has the honor of being the village idiot this game however, and that's not the kind of behavior I'm used to seeing from townPalmar post-D1. I have no idea what kind of game Palmar is playing, but I'm watching Palmar like a hawk. I actually hope he keeps trolling and we lynch him...but I'm not sold on him being scum. Third however? Dunno....EVER VIGILANT!!!! | ||
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On February 10 2012 07:43 wherebugsgo wrote: how the fuck is that a reason to vote someone? I assume he means he thinks Sheth scumslipped...your mileage may vary. | ||
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Maybe you could just...ENLIGHTEN me as to what is scummy about someone posting their reads and giving concise reasoning for them? I mean, if you disagree with me that's one thing...but saying it's SCUMMY? You get right out of town WBG. No...seriously. Get out of town WBG. We don't need your brand of "scumhunting" if you think that players giving their reads is in ANY way scummy. | ||
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Yeah, I'm starting to see the merit in a WBG lynch. I think we can safely put him on the docket tomorrow. Christ, I would have missed him too if he didn't start freaking out. Thanks Bugs. | ||
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Even if only one of their KP is unblockable? | ||
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Please don't take away my Sheth lynch for a second time. | ||
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2. Lynch Radfield tomorrow if Sheth flips town 3. ??? 4. Profit. We're already on the winning path guys, no need to deviate. Don't fix what's not broken. | ||
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That's actually what I meant. Thx. | ||
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On February 11 2012 06:03 Toadesstern wrote: well it's only 7 without gray and blue (I added those after the big shitstorm) and in reality those "confirmed" colors never get used at all. That's like a 10.0 score at platform diving. Sure it may be possible in theory but there's noone claiming mafia in this thread. Those are mostly for my "dead people and flips"-list. Don't giggle - I did it in Arkham Asylum. Traitors are a little different from Millers though (thx BC.) | ||
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I'm telling you guys, we should lynch Palmar tomorrow. I think he's scum. I think we should take the possibility that he's third-party as evidence that he's not town and just get rid of him. Don't waste bullets on him either in case he is the bats. | ||
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Palmar hiro protagonist Opz chaoser Toad WBG | ||
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I'd like everyone in this game...EVERYONE...to go back and read Arkham Asylum. Not only is it a prime example of a crazy setup much like this one, it's also a really good meta example of Palmar as third party. Please note the following similarities.
Do I think Palmar is third party this game? No. I think he's scum. But the similarities I just pointed out are things I believe ScumPalmar would do - he's not known for his stellar scum play after all. Palmar is a good town player - it's taken me several games since I've been back to realize this...he's good. But his play this game has NOT indicated any kind of skill. He's generally fearless as town, because he believes in his own ability to find scum. But his play this game has been reserved, and he's trusting KURUMI to find scum for him? I don't think so. Palmar is the obvious lynch today guys, for sure. Anyone who's voting for Radfield isn't making any sense...he's claimed DT and was integral to landing a scum lynch. It's true that he checked someone who died, which doesn't look terribly good...but he checked WBG, someone I TOTALLY would have checked if I were a DT. Anyone voting Radfield should actually be voting for Palmar because Palmar is scum. | ||
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Here's my suggestion for the order of operations: Lynch Palmar If scum, lynch the fuck out of Toad or anyone else trying to sell the idea that he's Batman If Batman, lynch the fuck out of Radfield because he's probably Talia | ||
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He's scum. Lynch it. | ||
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This is rule-skirting, and this isn't something Palmar is in the habit of doing. Palmar is scum. Kill the scum with fire. | ||
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On February 14 2012 02:16 Toadesstern wrote: Clayface already took a hit n1. No need to RB him to make sure he dies. You're missing my point - we don't know who scum RB'd, and if we did, we don't know why. The fact that Radfield wasn't RBd only means that their agenda didn't involve Radfield at the time - it's not incriminating that he wasn't roleblocked at all. That's my point. But whatever - my vote is on Palmar and that's who I think we should be lynching today. I've gotta get ready for work and shit, I'll be back before the lynch to try and convince everyone some more...but I'm against lynching Radfield today. You won't find me within a mile of that lynch because it's based on Palmar's case who I think is scum. Anyone listening to Palmar should be considered suspect. This shit is getting ridiculous. | ||
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 ##Unvote: Palmar ##Vote: RayzorFlash I almost said fuck it and voted for Radfield, for no other reason but to ensure a Palmar lynch tomorrow, but this is preferable in so many ways. Play on Kita. | ||
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On February 14 2012 10:10 risk.nuke wrote: kita, what happens if you get roleblocked? Holy rotten scum-fish Batman! Why don't you just RB him tonight and find out? | ||
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I'm going to bed. I'm rereading from the beginning when I wake up. This confirms Palmar as Batman. If we want to keep him alive, we need to figure it out now because if not he needs to be tomorrow's lynch. I don't know what to think anymore. | ||
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You guys have some good targets, I hope your aim is as good as our aim has been lynchwise. Please don't make the mistake of taking my trying to save Rad as a scum-move. I was literally only trying to get Kita his KP while saving who I believed to be the DT. I honestly believe we need to be rid of Palmar/Batman. He's a wild-card when what we need is stability. He's a variable in any kind of plan we make going forward. He's KP aimed at town. | ||
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And in what way have Palmar's posts been pro-town? Are you talking about the part where he fake-claims like seventeen times? Or are you talking about the part where he tries to derail the Sheth (scum) lynch? Palmar isn't posting pro-town, he's posting pro-Palmar...WHICH IS FINE....but he certainly doesn't have town's best interest in mind. And the longer he's in the game, the more likely he starts shooting into town trying to find Joker. Don't discount what I'm saying because you're suspicious of me, this is bigger than me. | ||
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But obviously that's just my opinion. I've been campaigning against Batman long enough. If we're keeping him alive that's fine. I'm in the middle of rereading the whole game, and I'll post my thoughts before dawn. | ||
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If you'll recall rg, I've been one of the loudest voices saying "aim for scum, not third party"...I understand what you're saying. But at this point, I feel like Batman is a liability. That's all I'm saying. | ||
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This game is now retarded. GG scum. Lynch me or kill me, I don't care anymore. The fact that everyone is calling me scum for trying to have a discussion tells me that town is NOT in fact winning, that we're all fumbling around in the fucking dark and pointing fingers based on nothing. When scum win this shit in 2 days, I'll be back here in post-game to laugh at you idiots. | ||
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On February 15 2012 03:49 Kurumi wrote: Remember the time You were lynched Day 1 in a game with various cool powers? Yes. Remember that time when I didn't know what you were really asking? | ||
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You should kill JayBrundage instead of me (if you're talking about with ur gun). Tomorrow if you can't bring yourself to rid the game of Palmar, you should lynch hiro protagonist. I've tried helping all game - even this night-phase I've tried discussing game-relevant materials that I feel will ultimately help town - but since people disagree with my assessment, I'm scum. *shrug* Just tired of this shit. As far as an alternative, I was rereading. I'm still rereading, but I think hiro is the way to go if you smoke JB. Both guys gotta die. I'm so serious because I've got this huge fucking target on my head because I tried to derail a scum lynch. It wasn't malicious, and if you'll read my filter you'll see that I just thought he was a townPR...but that doesn't matter in this crowd - the reasonable players are either dead or were scum -,- | ||
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On February 15 2012 04:05 chaoser wrote: Also this is really unnecessary and is basically fear mongering lol. Two mafia lynches and one mafia vigged by day 3, I highly doubt we're "2 days" away from losing the game. Unless you know something we don't. Like if BC is following the real game and we're all going to die to Protocol 10 in two days =[ You'll forgive things I say in frustration chaoser, I just know it. | ||
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Anyways, gotta get to work - I'll catch y'all later. | ||
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On February 15 2012 05:32 layabout wrote: I think it would be appropriate if Hiro's scum strat was "If i tell them to kill me they will not think i am scum" This was my thought exactly. He's gotten away with doing absolutely nothing, and living all this time by him simply requesting people kill him. Why? That's too anti-town for him to be town - and I know hiro knows what's anti-town. Oh wait - his argument is 'ya, that's why I want people to kill me'. -.- | ||
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TOAD! TOAD! TOAD! | ||
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I'm still okay with a hiro lynch. Anyone? Anyone? | ||
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I'm literally astounded vigs didn't take care of this guy overnight. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + You realize that you're making the argument that no one is resisting hiro's lynch....by resisting hiro's lynch. But to be clear, I'm also onboard with a Kurumi lynch. Batman is aiming for scum now. I don't think Kurumi is Batman. | ||
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On February 16 2012 06:07 Kurumi wrote: Apparently using logic is illogical here . Oh well . Should've killed someone smart like Adam . I will have a surprise for You anyway. Guys seriously. Please? ##Unvote: hiro protagonist ##Vote: Kurumi | ||
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On February 16 2012 06:25 risk.nuke wrote: Reversed psycholoy, which means you won't be happy. WIFOM | ||
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On February 16 2012 08:46 jaybrundage wrote: VE no OMGUS? :O META CHANGE Or alignment change. Think outside the box Jay. | ||
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Get your votes off me and vote for Kurumi. Voting for me is a mistake. I'm a VT - no powers, and no conflicting win-con. We've got a ton of confirmed town now, we can STILL WIN if we lynch Catwoman. Please guys, I don't want to have come this far only for us to blow it all at the end. This is my only begging post. | ||
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Go read my filter! I very OBVIOUSLY care about this game! Why is he even saying that? Because I'm not spamming up the thread with bullshit? THAT is bullshit! | ||
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Seriously, I want to win and lynching me is a guaranteed loss - basically lynching anyone but Catwoman is a guaranteed loss, but I really want to know why you want to lynch ME specifically. What is the case on me? | ||
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I'm telling you, the Rad thing was a mistake. I'm not scum sir. | ||
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On February 17 2012 07:15 Tyrran wrote: 1)So will scum. If we lynch CW, what makes you think scum wont kill 2face/Penguin ASAP ? Also, they still have their medic, so shooting at them isnt as efficient as lynching them. 2)Yes, misslynching means we will be heavily relying on batman and penguin shot. But If we kill CW, and Batman/Penguin kill town with their shot, we are is the same bad position. And I do not see palmar not shooting VE at nigth if we let him leave anyway. Lets lynch VE. It is strictly better from a town point of view than lynching CW. 1) The town power-roles get the added bonus of WIFOM protection from hits that do NOT come from CW, so it wouldn't be optimal play for scum to target those two in particular tonight. This is a fact, not my opinion. Scum's shots might fail against those two. Catwoman's do not. 2) We're already relying heavily on Batman (because of you guys -.-) and if Catwoman kills one of Pen/TF, I have faith that town WILL lynch Kurumi tomorrow. Like, town couldn't be that stupid. And Palmar isn't going to shoot me tonight, because I have faith that he'll listen to reason and realize that I'm town. He'll aim for scum tonight, not me. Your logic is missing a few considerations, and I implore you to reconsider our options before resolving to lynch me sir. | ||
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STOP TALKING ABOUT ME AS IF I'M CONFIRMED SCUM AND BASING YOUR LOGIC ON THAT FACT BECAUSE IT'S FLAWED AND ABSOLUTELY WRONG AND YOU'RE HORRIBLE FOR REASONING IN THAT WAY! THERE ISN'T EVEN A FUCKING CASE ON ME CHRIST /RANT | ||
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GTFO CHAOSER + Show Spoiler + <3 | ||
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On February 17 2012 07:29 Tunkeg wrote: But you could see why I would suspect someone defending Radfield as hard as you did over someone going for him? In retrospect that is, after knowing he was scum. You are right on Kita, and I was 100% ready to lynch Kita for it. I didn't like his claim abit, all good it did was to get him lynched :/ The thing is I see Palmar as Batman. Katina, jaybrundage, Evantrees, Qualis, Adam and Tyran as more townie than you. So which one of them, based on the actions thus far in the game would you put as scum? JB and Evantrees easily for following this VE wagon of stupidity this far. I agree on Katina and Qualis, they look slightly better (ONLY for having been on the right side of the Radfield wagon) but JB and Evantrees could EASILY be scum the way they've treated this lynch. | ||
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GTFO are you serious? You actually linked that shit to me? No wonder I forgot about it, it's fucking laughable. | ||
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On February 17 2012 07:54 jaybrundage wrote: Look hes getting pissed off again. Back to the OMGUS meta. Comon call me scum XD ....condescension aside, your case was fucking awful. It's not even a case, just a lot of WIFOM surrounding a couple of observations you've made. Tell me actual reasons you think I'm scum and I'll decide if I think you're scum or not. You're playing like a retard, and retards can be found in any alignment. Unless I'm mistaken, you think I'm scum because A) I was on the Sheth lynch at the same time as Radfield and B) I tried to derail the Radfield wagon in favor of chaoser. Here are the facts: 1) I fully believed that Radfield was DT. Why? Because I believed completely that Sheth was scum, and Radfield claimed a red read on Sheth....someone who flipped RED Jay. RED. Call it confirmation bias if you want - I don't give a shit. I believed his claim. 2) I believed that chaoser unlocked town KP because of Kitaman's claim. I believed Kita's claim because the Riddler was A) guaranteed to be in the game (mod confirmed it with the whole game nonsense D3 post I think?) and B) that would be a seriously hard claim to fake given the mod is involved via the game. So I belived his claim. Add to that the fact that chaoser was being an idiot that whole period, what I attributed to scum trolling cause he's about to die, and I was absolutely SOLD on a chaoser lynch. 100%. Now, you can go ahead and just call my actions scummy if you want, but those are the FACTS and whatever you say that doesn't line up with those 2 facts is wrong. Period. I didn't think you were necessarily scum before, but the fact that you're sheeping onto me for the piss-poor reasoning you've provided gives me pause. Of course I think your retarded case is scummy, but not nearly as scummy as your attempts to generate emotional responses out of me. Vote for Kurumi. I'm town. | ||
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THE FACT THAT NO ONE KNOWS WHY I'M SCUM IS PROOF EVERYONE GET ON KURUMI NOW! THIS IS NOT OVER YET!!! | ||
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On February 17 2012 10:40 RayzorFlash wrote: VE: I think you're scum, but i don't want to lynch you or give anyone even a passing reason to lynch you at this point. I'll make my case for you after the day ends. Jayjay: I didnt put you in my 99% scum because of that, because the case against you is comparatively a lot weaker than against Hiro and VE, but I have been, and still am, getting a scummy vibe off your posts... On my mafiameter, you rank about a 60% chance of being scum >_<... I can't deny you do have a better success rate than Toad, XD (mafiameter numbers are completely subjective and subject to change )Promising a case later is at least better than ignoring the fact that there isn't already a case while treating me as confirmed scum. So thx. =D | ||
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On February 16 2012 06:09 VisceraEyes wrote: Guys seriously. Please? ##Unvote: hiro protagonist ##Vote: Kurumi What are you talking about? I was on Kurumi before you were dude. | ||
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On February 17 2012 11:02 Forumite wrote: My mistake, I read the voting list and mixed them up. Actually, JayJay's list (the last one you might have seen before leaving earlier) wrongly had me on hiro protagonist...so that's actually not surprising. I doubt it was intentional, as I'd posted both in-thread and in the voting thread, so it's not like he was trying to fool anyone. | ||
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hiro protagonist Tyrann JayBrundage Evantrees ...in that order. JayBrundage only started really looking scummy to me when he pointed out his laughable case as evidence against me, while simultaneously trying to illicit emotional responses out of me...but it's enough for him to look scummier than Evantrees who has given us fuck-all all game long. hiro's return to the thread trying to limit the lynch to he and I when he had like 1 vote also looks really really bad, considering the vast amounts of dick he's produced in the way of content. | ||
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On February 17 2012 11:51 hiro protagonist wrote: This is why I hate themed games... No, I dont, but If we lynch VE, and he flips scum, This gives our vigs a much smaller pool of players to shoot into... think about it. And what happens when we lynch VE and he flips vanilla town? CW is still out there, scum still have 4 members...think about it. You know what, don't. You're probably GF anyway based on who I'm reading as scum, so I'm not even going to bother with you anymore. | ||
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On February 17 2012 12:00 Adam4167 wrote: And its in batmans best interest to rid us off that medic. And I have a feeling he will. He's been asking for it all game anyway. | ||
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That's cute coming from you hiro. Wanna tell me again why you think I'm scum? No? Not enough time? You seem to have had enough time to come in here and pointlessly argue with myself and Forumite, even switch your vote - seems to me like you could have very EASILY come up with a case. I think maybe I got a fucking HEADSHOT with my latest lynch list - vigs, take your aim. | ||
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On February 17 2012 12:59 Katina wrote: I say we shoot anyone posting stupid pics or gifs. That didn't work out with chaoser, but maybe he was the exception? | ||
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Batman, may you strike true tonight and get the fuck out. (<3) | ||
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On February 17 2012 21:37 Palmar wrote: I don't think you can go wrong with shooting tyrran/rayzor. Rayzor also was unafraid to die to enable 3 town KP. I mean, there's requesting people kill you ad nauseum (hiro protagonist) until the phrase holds no meaning, and there's almost chipper realization that "Oh shucks, guess you guys have to lynch me!" @Forumite That wouldn't make sense - unless there's a pretty clear and popular other lynch candidate lined up for tomorrow. That would afford them the freedom to stick their necks out. Especially with players like Palmar calling others scum just for suspecting them :S | ||
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Also, we're not killing VE for giggles. We're well beyond killing people for giggles. Scum aren't going to touch me because I'm obviously lynchbait, but if vigs kill me it had better fucking be because they think I'm scum and not for giggles. -.- | ||
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By: VisceraEyes First I'm going to explore several of the reasons I'm being accused in detail.
Lack of Meaningful Contribution/Inactivity I’ve got something of a reputation here in Team Liquid that I’m trying to dispel. I’m known as that guy who types a lot of crazy shit that doesn’t make much sense to anyone. I chose this game to attempt a different tactic. Instead of typing every little thing that pops into my head at any given time, leading to a spammy cluttered thread, I decided to instead just observe the thread, comment only where I felt necessary and post my reads every day, with an emphasis on relevance and succinctness. My voting pattern hasn’t changed - I still vote for whomever I feel is the most scummy (or in the case of this game, who is the largest threat to town as a whole), but the way I’ve approached actually playing the game has changed dramatically. It is for this reason that I believe players who have played with me and feel they know my ‘meta’ have been thrown off by my play...because I actually AM playing differently than I’d normally play as town. Intentional Overlooking of Suspicious Behavior This is another of Palmar’s gripes. I have a feeling he and several others of you feel like I’ve been overlooking blatantly suspicious behavior for one reason or another. All I can say in my defense of this is that if I haven’t called someone scum, it’s either because I have a town read on them for different reasons, or because I haven’t looked into them at all (inactivity, spammy nature, etc.) Due to the nature of this game, I’m not really inclined to doll out my town reads for obvious reasons. I’m very willing to discuss reads with anyone however, and if anyone would actually LIKE my opinion on something, I’m always willing to look into people on request. However, due to my reputation, I come into games assuming no one wants my opinions until I’ve established that I’m coherent in-game. Somewhere along the way I’ve failed this game, but I feel it has a lot to do with the way I’ve approached this game. Manipulative Argumentation Strategies This was one of hiro protagonist’s reasons for “knowing” I’m scum. While I won’t admit to being ‘manipulative’, I will say that this is a game of persuasion and I’m trying to achieve goals just like everyone else. Incidentally, he’s accusing me of “playing mafia” because town try and persuasively argue with other town to try and get their lynch target lynched just as often as scum. And because he provided no context with his accusation, I can’t refute the specific instances, only broadly address his complaint. Pushing of Scum Agenda This one is pretty vague, because by definition only scum know their agenda and they’re not sharing it with town. I know that the only thing I can think of that can even be construed as me furthering a scum agenda was my staunch opposition to the Radfield lynch. And I’ve given my reasoning for this several times because by my estimation it’s the most incriminating thing I’ve done this game. However, given my belief in the Sheth lynch that Radfield’s claim assured, in my opinion the fact that Radfield actually flipped scum is NOT indicative of scum alignment where I’m concerned. In fact, Radfield actually called me a good vig target alongside Palmar early on in the game, so I’d actually say it’s indicative of my TOWN alignment if anything. WBG was also harshly critical of me and called me scum several times. The point is that I’ve been accused of pushing a scum agenda (most hilariously by layabout) and I’d like everyone to take a look at my involvement in the game as a whole before just accepting this as fact and killing me with a bullet tonight. Now, I’ve left off a couple of entire cases, for this reason: I’ve addressed the points that are actually indicative of my alignment above. Cases such as those of RazorFlash and JayBrundage can be ignored. JayBrundage is basing one of his major points on the fact that I was on a SCUM lynch by Hood’s Breath. It’s held up by the fact that I was against a Radfield lynch, which is accurate, but the premises are conflicting. Radfield was scum Radfield was on the Sheth lynch Sheth was scum Scum are bussing VS Radfield was scum VE was not on the Radfield lynch Radfield was scum Scum are not bussing See where I’m going with this? It’s not a logical argument, it’s putting a bunch of facts together in a way that makes me seem scummy, when all I really did was vocally stick to my guns about my beliefs. And RazorFlash’s case, upon rereading it, actually IS scummy as fuck. He uses some kind of percentage-based “scummeter” to determine an overall picture of my scumminess. Great. But here’s the problem: the numbers are completely arbitrary in regard to the content he provides supporting them. For example, Day 3 - 60% scum - The Day of Reckoning - VEHEMENTLY defends Radfield and goes after Palmar, the WORST case of this amongst everyone out there - 80% scum - Is willing to get hiro lynched instead of Radfield - 75% - VERY quickly changes votes from Palmar who he's been super pushing for a full day to me and then Chaoser based on Kita's claim - 90$ scum First of all, his total for day 3, which he’s taken special note of how scummy it was, was 60% scum. But if you look at the content, he picks out three actions I took that day (which I’ll agree were probably the keystone decisions I made that day) and assigns values to each of them, which are all WELL above 60%. They’re not averaged - the average of the 3 values is something like 81.66666%....it’s just a random 60%. Here’s something to think about though - Day 2 - 60% scum - Very very excited about the prospect of a Sheth lynch finally happening - Gets defensive very easily again... passive aggression is annoying - Wants to see Sheth dead, and is decently considering a Hiro lynch still... - Gets into a small bicker with Bugs and considers going after him... 55% Another 60% period on the scumometer, but look at the actions he notes: Excited about his (ultimately scum) lynch taking off; considering hiro (a person he agrees with to a degree); considers going after someone else who ultimately flips scum This is the part that really astounds me - my super-scummy day and my most pro-town day (according to the facts) afford me the exact same scum-o-meter reading? Really? These numbers are COMPLETELY meaningless. Night 3 - 90% scum - Still pushing for a Palmar lynch even though he's confirmed Batman and Joker is more or less dead - killing a pro-town power role for no real reason?? - Gets super emotional again... ia annoying, but not necessarily scummy - Wants people to kill JayBrundage randomly, just because his vote didnt actually switch? wtf? First of all, I was pushing a Palmar lynch for the sole purpose of saving Joker because it had become obvious in-thread that Toad was Joker and Clayface had just eaten it. Toad’s bad aim aside, town KP is going to be very powerful (one way or the other) and because I suspect Palmar of being Batman, I wanted him lynched before he could kill Joker. However, none of this matters ultimately according to RazorFlash - because by his estimation Palmar has a “pro-town power role”, in spite of being third-party and by definition does not have town’s best interest in mind. And this scored me 90% on the HerpDerp’O’Meter, 30% higher than the day he noted as being particularly bad for me. The whole thing is just a mess of him stringing together events that, while they involve me, are not indicative of my alignment in the way he says. Not at all. Where do we go from here? We stop entertaining the ridiculous notion that VE is scum, for a start, and we start killing scum. I actually prefer a bullet for JayBrundage or RayzorFlash at this point - call it OMGUS if you want, but JayBrundage, in addition to building a farcical case against me has also been taunting me to try and make me scummily freak out as I’m known to do. He’s definately scum. RayzorFlash I’m less sold on, but after dissecting his case and hearing Palmar’s thoughts on him, I’d say he needs a bullet just as much if not more than JB at this point. The riddle-bombs are likely to go off tonight, and JB has one of those attached to him according to Kita (correct me if I’m wrong) so he might be taken care of anyway. Tomorrow, if Palmar is still around, force him to give you the whole scum-team because once he hits his mark, he’ll be gone. In closing, regardless of what you think my motivations are, these are the facts:
I’m trying to win with town. These facts don’t prove it, but they certainly support my claim. Please take the time to read over my posts if you’re thinking about gifting me a hot slug. I honestly don’t deserve it. | ||
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On February 23 2012 19:06 Palmar wrote: about the riddler game. The first question was something like: So I just thought "well who gives a fuck" and swapped out the severed corpses for eggs, cause that kinda made sense. And I just decided to bake the fucking thing, this is the end result: ![[image loading]](http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23162170/IMAG0040.jpg) It was okay, but a bit too sweet and sponge-like for my taste. I literally love you for actually baking that. I read that and said 'this doesn't bake anything without eggs.' | ||
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On February 23 2012 19:07 Palmar wrote: I figured you had decided to do it that way, that's why I had to get radfield lynched. I knew he was talia, but she's immune to my kills and can roleblock If you hadn't gotten Radfield lynched, what was your plan the next day? Try again? Because I had intended to suggest Rad out Kurumi as Ras the next day, essentially confirming him as DT - lynching Rad was about to become impossible. | ||
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On February 23 2012 19:25 Palmar wrote: I never assume I fail, because I never fail. ##Fistpound | ||
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Pt. 1: The Plan - Setting Goals and Establishing an Agenda Something I thought about entering the game was how unbelievably forgiving the setup was for scum bussing their team. Radfield noticed the same and came into the game with some moster posts regarding how we should play the setup. If you haven't yet, you should go check it out in our QT - for someone who's so down on his own scum-play, it's pretty beast. Essentially, he suggested that when we post our reads, we include a member (at least) from each of three groups - threats to mafia (Palmar, DocH, Opz, chaoser, Kita,) non-scum threats to town (hiro protagonist, Bill Murray, Jackal, kenpachi, Kurumi) and scum. In addition, he wanted an orchestrated D2 bus, who ended up being Sheth. The idea was to soak up as much cred from the lynch as possible by stacking him, hopefully soft-confirming most of our team and paving the way for an easy rest of the game. Pt. 2: The Turn - When Plans Fall Apart When the Sheth lynch started to go south on D2, that's when I felt our game started to be endangered. It was at this point that Radfield claimed DT to solidify the lynch. Now, because Radfield was an important role, I was apprehensive about this. We at this point knew that SOMEONE knew who he was because he took a hit and didn't die, so to have him claim felt...wierd to me. It worked though and we landed the Sheth lynch. But because Palmar HAD to remove Talia to fulfil his wincon, I could tell he wasn't going to stop just because of a silly little thing like leading a scumlynch. I had a meltdown - I had no idea that the third parties could be roleblocked, so I figured after Sheth died, I was dead that night and the game was over for scum. Typical VE-Flying-Off-The-Handle shit, right? And to make matters worse, for one reason or another Radfield claimed to check WBG the next day. I assume because that was the safe claim (he already knew Bugs' role). But the problem with that was that Bugs DIED...meaning it was also the SCUMMIEST claim he could have made. I mean, yeah...Roleblocked would have been almost as scummy - but at least then you could WIFOM that it makes sense given the claim and whatnot. Plus if Palmar had CC'd roleblocked, we could have had a chance to lynch Batman outright on D3. The end result was that town sentiment was falling on Radfield and I was forced into a decision. Either go with the flow and grab a pitchfork, thereby subjecting myself to Palmar and his unblockable Love Gun, or try and salvage what was left of our "confirmed town" DT and roleblocker. Obviously I made the wrong decision...or made the right decision and failed in execution...either way, it ended badly. Luckily Palmar still had to make it through Joker... Pt 3: Salvation - Apparently, Scum Do Lurk In spite of the D3 mistakes, our 2 remaining members, JayJay and Katina, were safely tucked away in the lurking majority and we had the fact that town was just fucking lost without Palmar going for us too. Honestly, we might have won this game sooner if I'd sac'd myself in this game like I did Hammer, giving town no reason to keep Palmar around. Anyway, JayJay and Katina, due to a mix of strategic bussing and low activity, were hidden well. We spent the last round of 3 KP taking out as many confirmed town as we could and waited for the hammer to fall. Palmar didn't fail to deliver, and marched out of the game on my heels. This was, in my opinion, the point that we won the game - when Palmar was removed from the equation while town was devouring itself with scumminess without interferance from us at all. JB was doomed to the Riddler game, but this actually ended up being advantageous for us because he knew he was a goner before he was even lynched and could craft his posts accordingly. Pt 4: In Conclusion Considering a beast like Palmar was the goddamn Batman and we had some rough patches overall, I'm pretty proud of our little scum-team. I think we all brought a little something to the table that was required for the win, and I think that solid scum play, not ONLY bad town play, was responsible for that win. I've had more fun in this game than I have in a while in a game of Mafia, so I wanted to thank BC and Curu again. Good times, guys. I didn't even mind the notoriously late cycle-changes...it was all just character in what I considered to be a really good game of Mafia. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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VisceraEyes
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Man, I wish you had come to the QT and discussed outting your check. I was toying with the idea of, instead of you outting Sheth, you outting Kurumi as Ras. Can you imagine what would have happened if HE got lynched instead? GAAAHHHHH!! What killed you D3 was your WBG claim imho. You might have been able to convince the newer players that you were actually a DT if you'd claimed RB. That makes a whole lot more sense than you not getting blocked OR killed. But yeah, all and all I think we did a good job. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On February 24 2012 03:35 Kurumi wrote: WBG would die N1 if not me thinking "I actually should try to win, I am not town, so I shouldn't care about scum" ...suggesting you knew he was scum when you shot him, effectively playing against your wincon. But yeah, cool story bro. XD | ||
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