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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 23 2012 16:57 GMT
#4181
On February 24 2012 00:17 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Also, If I want to lie as scum, I have to lie as town, while being helpful.
Else, scumtell.

The point of lying as scum is not to get caught, don't lie
RIP Aaliyah
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
February 23 2012 17:22 GMT
#4182
This was a fun game. I'm not typically a big 'bus your buddy' player, but this game was extremely forgiving to that style of play. Consider that scum KP does NOT go down when you lose members. In fact, you can keep 3 KP all the way to two members, which means 5 of your team are expendable. If you want to see a bit more in depth of our game plan check out the scum QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/DPkAktp6GaLd3

For my second game in a row as scum, we got torn apart by third parties. In LOTR the scum-team was doing great if not for 3rd parties, same in this game. Palmar killed me and soaked up both a scum KP and a roleblock, Kurumi shot WBG. It's very difficult to deal with a bulletproof-Compulsive Vigilante-Detective of Palmar's caliber. He had me accurately nailed as scum 3/4 of the way through Day 1.... and I didn't even post the first half of day 1. A very interesting situation arose on Day 2 though, where I knew 100% he was Batman, and he knew 100% that I was Talia, but there was nothing either of us could do about it. Somehow things got away from me on Day 3, and I'm still not sure what I needed to do to avoid that lynch, but it was certainly avoidable. I just had no way to argue with the fact that it made no sense for Palmar to lie about me being scum, since it was in his best interest as 3rd party to prolong the game.

I thought JayJay played fabulously down the stretch, and I think Katina did a great job for a new player. The rest of the team did great as well, and I think we really played this game as a team. Despite the fact that we bussed each other during this game, we really tried to accomplish our goals as a team.

Good Game everyone! This was a lot of fun. Huge thanks to BC and Curu, this was an excellently run game!
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
February 23 2012 17:54 GMT
#4183
For reference, this was my opening game plan in the scum QT. Some of these things we followed, and some we did not:

Ok, gang. I've been thinking about this for a while, and I think in general mafia teams lose because they play the short game instead of playing the long game. It's extremely easy to be passive on day 1-2, think you're doing great, and then get roasted days 3-6. We need to make sure that doesn't happen this game.

We have 3KP all the way until 2 members, as long as the gf stays alive. This means we can afford to sac someone for the good of the team. In fact, we can afford to sac TWO or THREE members if it brings us the win in the longterm.

I think the main reason that scum teams lose, and that scum members get caught, is because they don't know what to post and they don't have clear goals. We need clear goals this game.

Strategies I would like to see us use:

* Bus bus bus. I want us to use an orchestrated day 2 bus. Scum teams always talk about bussing on day 3, but by that point it's generally barely a bus, because town normally has someone locked down as scum by Day 3. I want us to bus our medic on Day 2, and then push a lynch onto a townie(someone who defended the bussed player) on day 3, ad hopefully day 4. We won't need our medic most likely, because vigilantes will be shooting at anyone who did not vote to lynch the scum on day 2. Now, all 5 mafia don't need to push for the lynch, only 1 or 2 need to push, and the rest need to just hop on at some point in the day(just like any normal lynch).

* Scum lists. Do NOT leave mafia off your scum lists if you don't have a reason. We have a ton of flexibility this game, so don't be afraid to call someone out. In fact, I encourage it.

* Threats to mafia: Palmar, Chaoser, DocH, Opz(lategame). These are people we need to kill. Night one I think we should doublestack Palmar, and hit Opz. Chaoser claims he has more time this game, but he's generally a busy man, and unless he shows he has some time to get into this game, he's not worth shooting. DocH is extremely solid if you let him get his feet under him, so we need to rattle him and keep him rattled. I think one of our team members goals should be to keep DocH off balance and call him scum at every turn(possibly even from his first post if he makes a long one). Palmar is just silly good, so he needs to die N1. Keeping him off Balance Day1 would be nice, but it's really not a priority as he should die.

* Threats to town: Bill Murray, Jackal58, Kurumi, kenpachi, HiroProtagonist. All five of these players can be a liability to town. The first three because they sometimes have a tendancy to call everyone and their mother scum, the last two because they consistently get lynched as town. We want to give these 5 players free reign, and let them work their magic.

What I would like is for everyone to pick one player from each of the following groups, and push that player as scum:

Group 1: Palmar, Chaoser, DocH, Opz, Kitaman
Group 2: Bill Murray, Jackal58, Kurumi, HiroProtagonist, risk.nuke, Toadesstern
Group 3: VisceraEyes, Radfield, Wherebugsgo, LiquidSheth, Jaybrundage, Katina, jayjay

This just means that if you don't have any other good reads, or aren't sure what to write, call out one of your three players. Townies are wrong ALL THE TIME, which gives us fantastic cover. The goal is to look like you are actively searching for scum, and if you call out someone from group 3.... you are!

* I think we should double stack Palmar on Night 1(he is that big of a threat), and have someone claim a hit. In addition I think we should roleblock our other target, and have someone claim the roleblock(assuming players get notified they were roleblocked even if they are Vanilla). Our goal is to set up confirmed 'townies', and that is actually very easy to do.

* Counterclaiming. Having two players counterclaim each other is a fantastic scenario for mafia. It wastes an entire day by figuring out which one to lynch, and if town picks wrong day 1, it wastes an entire second day as well. With a team of 6 mafia, and 3 KP everynight, that is a bargain for us. If we successfully doubletap Palmar, we need to have someone immediately claim the hit and roleclaim their name(
Mr. Freeze). This will do one of three things:

1. The claim will go unchallenged, giving us a free confirmed 'townie'

2. Get counterclaimed by the real Mr Freeze. However we have the jump because our player claimed first(with his role name), and right after the kills, which makes the second player look like a lame mafia counterclaimer. Either way town wastes the entirity of Day 2 discussing the counterclaims.

3. A medic claims they saved 1 hit from Palmar, which makes our guy a liar. We swiftly bus him, and then kill the medic that night. Again, town loses a day of discussion with the easy lynch, and they also lose the medic.

All three of those scenarios are beneficial to us in a game where mafia KP stays steady.

* We never roleblock players unless we are also killing them, or if they have claimed a power role. Roleblocking townies randomly just confirms more players, which is not something we want to do.

Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
February 23 2012 17:56 GMT
#4184
I only call everyone scum when it's XXXIX or I have a gun.
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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
February 23 2012 18:03 GMT
#4185
lol Rad - your post is like a carbon-copy of my post but with your thoughts instead of mine after the initial paragraph. lmao

Man, I wish you had come to the QT and discussed outting your check. I was toying with the idea of, instead of you outting Sheth, you outting Kurumi as Ras. Can you imagine what would have happened if HE got lynched instead? GAAAHHHHH!!

What killed you D3 was your WBG claim imho. You might have been able to convince the newer players that you were actually a DT if you'd claimed RB. That makes a whole lot more sense than you not getting blocked OR killed.

But yeah, all and all I think we did a good job.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
February 23 2012 18:35 GMT
#4186
WBG would die N1 if not me thinking
"I actually should try to win, I am not town, so I shouldn't care about scum"
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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
February 23 2012 18:37 GMT
#4187
On February 24 2012 03:35 Kurumi wrote:
WBG would die N1 if not me thinking
"I actually should try to win, I am not town, so I shouldn't care about scum"


...suggesting you knew he was scum when you shot him, effectively playing against your wincon.

But yeah, cool story bro. XD
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
February 23 2012 18:39 GMT
#4188
Can we get the answers to the Riddler questions? ^^
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
February 23 2012 18:40 GMT
#4189
On February 24 2012 03:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2012 03:35 Kurumi wrote:
WBG would die N1 if not me thinking
"I actually should try to win, I am not town, so I shouldn't care about scum"


...suggesting you knew he was scum when you shot him, effectively playing against your wincon.

But yeah, cool story bro. XD

I pinned Schworz as Town D1 and WBG as scum D1 and that never changed. Then I added Tunkeg and Adam to town list somewhere around D2.
They were so damn good.
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
February 23 2012 18:41 GMT
#4190
Could we see all the Riddler's question to guess answers? :D
"These guys are mindfucking me into a sex coma" | "Mayonnaise is a must-have lubricant when performing necrophilia"
RayzorFlash
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada253 Posts
February 23 2012 18:58 GMT
#4191
Since I was in the game until the end, I'll post them for you Kita :p

Riddle 1:

Riddle Me This:

1 cup sugar
1/4 cup milk
1 teaspoon baking powder
1 cup flour
1 tablespoons butter (A full stick for my good friend Oswald)
3 severed corpses

Bake at 400 degrees for 30 minutes.

What am I?

ANSWER
+ Show Spoiler +
A Bloody Cobbler


-----

Riddle 2:

Riddle me this:
I am all around you, yet you cannot see me. When I drop by, I can be the Bane of your existence.
What am I?

ANSWER
+ Show Spoiler +
I dunno, didn't get this one -_-


-----

Riddle 3:

Riddle Me This:

I'm the beginning of everything, yet the end of everyone.
I'm part of life and of death, but you won't find me in both.

What am I?

ANSWER
+ Show Spoiler +
I guessed the Letter "E"... Pretty sure I'm right, but Curu never told me if I was right or not


-----

Final Riddle:

Riddle Me This:

The Riddler has told his final riddle.
Five men came to pay tribute his grave.
The first spoke of his greatest triumphs.
The second told of his most foolish mistakes.
The third praised his extraordinary intellect,
While the fourth referenced his questionable sanity
The fifth remained silent, pondering the Enigma that was lost to all.

Now tell me, why was The Riddler buried in the exact center of Gotham City?

ANSWER
+ Show Spoiler +
Asked Kita for answer after I died... "Because he was dead"... /facepalm...
Tunkeg
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Norway1235 Posts
February 23 2012 19:00 GMT
#4192
On February 24 2012 03:40 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2012 03:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
On February 24 2012 03:35 Kurumi wrote:
WBG would die N1 if not me thinking
"I actually should try to win, I am not town, so I shouldn't care about scum"


...suggesting you knew he was scum when you shot him, effectively playing against your wincon.

But yeah, cool story bro. XD

I pinned Schworz as Town D1 and WBG as scum D1 and that never changed. Then I added Tunkeg and Adam to town list somewhere around D2.
They were so damn good.


Hehe, I think you are trolling, but I'll thank you anyways

I actually felt abit bad for going after you on Day 4, you having been more of an asset to town then most of the townies. But I think if we hadn't taken you out, town would have lost even badder ^^
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
February 23 2012 19:01 GMT
#4193
I thought riddle #2 was 'Death'. Not sure if you ever submitted that though.
RayzorFlash
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada253 Posts
February 23 2012 19:03 GMT
#4194
Random Observation: Both the games I've played in, I've been vanilla town and come off as being scummy... Need to figure out why that is and how to stop it =_=
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
February 23 2012 19:05 GMT
#4195
On February 24 2012 03:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
lol Rad - your post is like a carbon-copy of my post but with your thoughts instead of mine after the initial paragraph. lmao

Man, I wish you had come to the QT and discussed outting your check. I was toying with the idea of, instead of you outting Sheth, you outting Kurumi as Ras. Can you imagine what would have happened if HE got lynched instead? GAAAHHHHH!!

What killed you D3 was your WBG claim imho. You might have been able to convince the newer players that you were actually a DT if you'd claimed RB. That makes a whole lot more sense than you not getting blocked OR killed.

But yeah, all and all I think we did a good job.



Yeah, I really just flew by the seat of my pants on the DT claims, and it probably wasn't the best bet. I should have discussed it with you guys. I'm honestly still not entirely sure why I got lynched though It's very possible that I could have been an actual DT and simply had the bad luck to investigate a player who died. I guess the real thing is townies lynch blues all the time... though I can't really call lynching me bad town play since I was scum!

Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
February 23 2012 19:06 GMT
#4196
On February 24 2012 04:03 RayzorFlash wrote:
Random Observation: Both the games I've played in, I've been vanilla town and come off as being scummy... Need to figure out why that is and how to stop it =_=



Ico gave you a nice scummy head start in this game which I'm sure didn't help
RayzorFlash
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada253 Posts
February 23 2012 19:06 GMT
#4197
On February 24 2012 04:01 Radfield wrote:
I thought riddle #2 was 'Death'. Not sure if you ever submitted that though.


Lol, Spoilered is the list of submissions and attempts i made on that god-forsaken riddle:

+ Show Spoiler +

Darkness? Dreams?? Fear??? Carbon Dioxide???? Carbon Monoxide?????
Air? Air Pressure?? Cold Weather??? Hot Weather???? Wind?????
Sounds/noise? Suspicion??
Time? Death? Sickness?
Grrr... Scum? Stars? Black Holes? Mosquitoes?
--- At this point, BC tells me to think more related to Mafia ---
Suspicion/FoS? Doubt? Detectives? Vigilantes? lol...
Mafia? Batman? Hugo Strange? WIFOM?
Umm... Mods? lol...
Ghosts? Palmar? Grrr, I hate riddles!!!


Yeah... That riddle itself was the "Bane of my existence" for a solid 2 days =_=
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-23 19:08:28
February 23 2012 19:07 GMT
#4198
Because Palmar was obviously a third party and had no reason to lie?

Also don't you agree that you would never as town claim DT like 8 hours into the day with a check on a player that would be trivial to lynch. And then you didn't even get role blocked!
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
February 23 2012 19:07 GMT
#4199
On February 24 2012 04:00 Tunkeg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2012 03:40 Kurumi wrote:
On February 24 2012 03:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
On February 24 2012 03:35 Kurumi wrote:
WBG would die N1 if not me thinking
"I actually should try to win, I am not town, so I shouldn't care about scum"


...suggesting you knew he was scum when you shot him, effectively playing against your wincon.

But yeah, cool story bro. XD

I pinned Schworz as Town D1 and WBG as scum D1 and that never changed. Then I added Tunkeg and Adam to town list somewhere around D2.
They were so damn good.


Hehe, I think you are trolling, but I'll thank you anyways

I actually felt abit bad for going after you on Day 4, you having been more of an asset to town then most of the townies. But I think if we hadn't taken you out, town would have lost even badder ^^

I am not trolling. There's one player somewhere and I forgot who it was who says that "finding" townies is sometimes more important than to find scum. You and Adam played really well.
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
February 23 2012 19:08 GMT
#4200
Just reading the thread and Schroz just baffled me the whole way through.

The third two face claims...the guilty check on who in my mind was almost confirmed as town and then the railing on the nearly confirmed townie at the end there.

The whole game baffled me but that really stuck out.
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