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Machinations of the Unlikely Godfather
Pt. 1: The Plan - Setting Goals and Establishing an Agenda
Something I thought about entering the game was how unbelievably forgiving the setup was for scum bussing their team. Radfield noticed the same and came into the game with some moster posts regarding how we should play the setup. If you haven't yet, you should go check it out in our QT - for someone who's so down on his own scum-play, it's pretty beast. Essentially, he suggested that when we post our reads, we include a member (at least) from each of three groups - threats to mafia (Palmar, DocH, Opz, chaoser, Kita,) non-scum threats to town (hiro protagonist, Bill Murray, Jackal, kenpachi, Kurumi) and scum.
In addition, he wanted an orchestrated D2 bus, who ended up being Sheth. The idea was to soak up as much cred from the lynch as possible by stacking him, hopefully soft-confirming most of our team and paving the way for an easy rest of the game.
Pt. 2: The Turn - When Plans Fall Apart
When the Sheth lynch started to go south on D2, that's when I felt our game started to be endangered. It was at this point that Radfield claimed DT to solidify the lynch. Now, because Radfield was an important role, I was apprehensive about this. We at this point knew that SOMEONE knew who he was because he took a hit and didn't die, so to have him claim felt...wierd to me. It worked though and we landed the Sheth lynch. But because Palmar HAD to remove Talia to fulfil his wincon, I could tell he wasn't going to stop just because of a silly little thing like leading a scumlynch.
I had a meltdown - I had no idea that the third parties could be roleblocked, so I figured after Sheth died, I was dead that night and the game was over for scum. Typical VE-Flying-Off-The-Handle shit, right?
And to make matters worse, for one reason or another Radfield claimed to check WBG the next day. I assume because that was the safe claim (he already knew Bugs' role). But the problem with that was that Bugs DIED...meaning it was also the SCUMMIEST claim he could have made. I mean, yeah...Roleblocked would have been almost as scummy - but at least then you could WIFOM that it makes sense given the claim and whatnot. Plus if Palmar had CC'd roleblocked, we could have had a chance to lynch Batman outright on D3. The end result was that town sentiment was falling on Radfield and I was forced into a decision. Either go with the flow and grab a pitchfork, thereby subjecting myself to Palmar and his unblockable Love Gun, or try and salvage what was left of our "confirmed town" DT and roleblocker. Obviously I made the wrong decision...or made the right decision and failed in execution...either way, it ended badly. Luckily Palmar still had to make it through Joker...
Pt 3: Salvation - Apparently, Scum Do Lurk
In spite of the D3 mistakes, our 2 remaining members, JayJay and Katina, were safely tucked away in the lurking majority and we had the fact that town was just fucking lost without Palmar going for us too. Honestly, we might have won this game sooner if I'd sac'd myself in this game like I did Hammer, giving town no reason to keep Palmar around. Anyway, JayJay and Katina, due to a mix of strategic bussing and low activity, were hidden well. We spent the last round of 3 KP taking out as many confirmed town as we could and waited for the hammer to fall. Palmar didn't fail to deliver, and marched out of the game on my heels. This was, in my opinion, the point that we won the game - when Palmar was removed from the equation while town was devouring itself with scumminess without interferance from us at all. JB was doomed to the Riddler game, but this actually ended up being advantageous for us because he knew he was a goner before he was even lynched and could craft his posts accordingly.
Pt 4: In Conclusion
Considering a beast like Palmar was the goddamn Batman and we had some rough patches overall, I'm pretty proud of our little scum-team. I think we all brought a little something to the table that was required for the win, and I think that solid scum play, not ONLY bad town play, was responsible for that win. I've had more fun in this game than I have in a while in a game of Mafia, so I wanted to thank BC and Curu again. Good times, guys. I didn't even mind the notoriously late cycle-changes...it was all just character in what I considered to be a really good game of Mafia.
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On February 23 2012 20:18 Jayjay54 wrote:this is what BC posted: Show nested quote +As for the riddle stuff, before making generalized comments talk to the people within said game to find out what answers they have been given by me to figure out how the game works. The more questions asked the more information they receive  He says we should talk about the game with other players in the game. Everyone received the same Riddler PM, so it is not at all about rules, but about inquiries and questions. If we aren't allowed to talk about the riddle at all, why would he write this? BC actively encourages us to discuss the riddles. "The more question asked the more information they receive". How is this not a confirmation that we are allowed?
No, BC asked you to talk to eachother about what answers he had given so that you could "figure out how the game works", basically figure out how the power works, that´s not the same as helping eachother solve the riddle.
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On February 23 2012 20:46 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 20:18 Jayjay54 wrote:this is what BC posted: As for the riddle stuff, before making generalized comments talk to the people within said game to find out what answers they have been given by me to figure out how the game works. The more questions asked the more information they receive He says we should talk about the game with other players in the game. Everyone received the same Riddler PM, so it is not at all about rules, but about inquiries and questions. If we aren't allowed to talk about the riddle at all, why would he write this? BC actively encourages us to discuss the riddles. "The more question asked the more information they receive". How is this not a confirmation that we are allowed? No, BC asked you to talk to eachother about what answers he had given so that you could "figure out how the game works", basically figure out how the power works, that´s not the same as helping eachother solve the riddle.
would you please stop it already? that doesn't even make sense. everyone received the same rule information PM and no further stuff on rules. it's not that everyone had different pieces of the riddler role. Everyone had the same pm and just hot & cold stuff afterwards. Nothing more. So no he meant talking about the riddles...
i promise now, last post on issue. Already made 3 too many.
nice post VE :D although, I don't agree, with low activity on my part :D like 15 pages in my filter
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Yeah actually I was more referring to JB with the lurking part - you were more part of the 'strategic bussing' end of the statement. <3
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It was not BAD town play, sure there were some players whose activity and posting were very bad, but more than anything it was poor BLUE play that lost town the game. Sure the scum team did ok, but after day 1 all lynches were the best possible lynches for town.
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One more thing to mention. The neutral roles collectively attempted to shoot 6 times and checked once.
I told you guys they would shoot every night, and they pretty much did.
Sitting back and checking people is for pansies.
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I too considered it likely that scum would bus their vanilla roles heavily, but it didn't quite go the way I envisioned it and the anti-town low effort players kept my focus, even as an observer
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On February 23 2012 19:00 Palmar wrote:GG everyone. Short explanation of my strategy. Seeing as batman was a very pro-town role in the game for the most part I was not really afraid of being lynched UNLESS I shot Hugo early. Town "giving" me joker after I find hugo would've been retarded, so my mission was to kill the joker as early as possible. But it's so hard to blue-hunt... So I decided to shoot some scum night 1, could even hit hugo and then try to look like I'm not batman. I shot radfield, but of course he was talia. Toad being the joker didn't click until about the time I posted thisThe reason for all the trolling and spamming is that I wanted to make the thread as useless for scumhunting as possible. The reason being that my theory was that if I made actually playing mafia impossible, the town would turn to their blue roles for support, thus allowing me to better identify them. I think it kinda worked, we got a load of claims early in the game and they helped me tremendously. I mean... figuring out the exact identity of one person out of 30-ish on day 2 is not something that normally happens, but given the chaotic thread it was much easier. After finally killing toad night 3 (fuck you scum for rb-ing me night 2) it was basically just a game of "who among the scummy people could be Hugo". VisceraEyes fit the bill, so I murdered him and left the game on night 4. So yeah, those are my thoughts on my own game. If I have time I might write something about the other factions. Also, Kurumi is hilarious for choosing to appear as ras al gul
So where you at no point afraid of town lynching you?
I mean all your claims followed up by the "I never claimed" and "never been in the Phone Booth" posts had me wanting to lynch you until I understood you were Batman.
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He started trolling due to all the ridiculously bad claims early on, not like batman can lose anyway
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Yeah, I see that, but Palmar doing these bad claims would be more scummy then some newbie doing it. Therefor more chance he get voted off.
So even though it was the amount of claims and confusion that gave away that he was Batman in the end Ihe could have been lynched off before we realised this.
Scum tried this somewhat on day 3, but had they gone for it earlier I would have joined the wagon easily.
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There were too many people in the game who realized that this was the third party palmar for him to ever get lynched. Well I would hope so. Why do you think he would play like this as mafia? He would get shot by some vig or at least DT checked very quickly.
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I took it as a way for Palmar to claim third party without claiming third party.
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On February 23 2012 21:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
I took it as a way for Palmar to claim third party without claiming third party.
at first I thought he was two-face, because of different behavior between night and day...
his play was really good for town, although I considered his batman "claims" as borderline (e.g. list with all players and his own name in coloured letters)...maybe biased because of scum view...
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He certainly wasn't trying to help town with that, shouldn't read too much into it
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his claims basically helped town a lot. He implied DT abilities and painted Rad red. Also his "To Batman" posts basically showed town his actions beforehand, making him a scum thread and not a town thread. As soon as joker was dead he was 100% pro town which is why we gave up VE (<3) to remove him.
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Not really, he could have just played a normal pro-town palmar game, which would have been more beneficial from town point of view
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I only know troll palmar  maybe you're right.
As I said, my view is biased, but I believe without him / his batman actions, Rad would have survived as confirmed DT.
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Maybe if no one put any thought into it, but radfield obviously wasn't a DT given the timing of his claim, so he had to be a third party or mafia. The third party angle would have likely worked though
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On February 23 2012 21:56 syllogism wrote:
There were too many people in the game who realized that this was the third party palmar for him to ever get lynched. Well I would hope so. Why do you think he would play like this as mafia? He would get shot by some vig or at least DT checked very quickly.
Ya some vig shot him night one. Some medic let the only confirmed townie die night one.
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