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Yeah, I don't get to own Palmar often. Glad I could do it for my 2k.
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On February 23 2012 19:30 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 19:28 Forumite wrote:On February 23 2012 19:26 Jayjay54 wrote:On February 23 2012 19:22 Forumite wrote:On February 23 2012 19:18 Jayjay54 wrote:On February 23 2012 19:15 syllogism wrote:
It is clearly against the spirit of the role though and you could have asked BC whether it is allowed. I believe we did: Rad
02-09-2012
10:36 AM ET (US)
Ah I just read this:
It is time for an announcement. The riddle game has begun, lucky contestants chosen to join the game have fun. It is now time to have a battle of wits with the Riddler. All who were included in the riddle game must play if they wish to be removed from it. Failure means death. No discussing in thread or in the zsasz QT if you happen to be in it and invited.
It doesn't actually say we can't discuss it here in our QT, but I'll double check for confirmation. e: also, BC frequently read our topic, he surely would have intervented long before we figured out the Bloody Cobbler riddle. It´s not expressly forbidden, that doesn´t mean it´s allowed. You should have checked with BC. Like I said, I believe Rad did. Moreover, after we started discussing a bit BC posted this in the QT: YulathPerson was signed in when posted 02-09-2012 01:18 PM ET (US) Why? I did not confirm a players role. I merely clarified on things you have already said in here. I don't want to see people discouraged on setup based reasons. It also isn't just helping you as both third parties have asked if they could be roleblocked and know they can be -_- As for the riddle stuff, before making generalized comments talk to the people within said game to find out what answers they have been given by me to figure out how the game works. The more questions asked the more information they receive  So I am really sure, that this was, in fact allowed. as you see, he even encouraged talking about it... Really? When wondering about the Riddler game, you should talk to eachother to get answers, but Town should shut up about it and figure it out themselves? You don´t find that odd? yes. I do find it odd. Like I already posted, designed like this, the Riddler is really anti-town. But if the host of the game encourages you to discuss, wouldn't you? Or do you believe that this wasn't BC???
I´d ask again for clarification.
The answer I read sounds like you should tell eachother about the rules that BC have told you each through PMs, so that he doesn´t have to tell you all individually, not that you are free to help eachother with the riddles themselves.
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I actually was going to write up my thoughts on the game for my 2k, but then Palmar opened up and I had to take a swing. lmao
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On February 23 2012 19:38 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 19:30 Jayjay54 wrote:On February 23 2012 19:28 Forumite wrote:On February 23 2012 19:26 Jayjay54 wrote:On February 23 2012 19:22 Forumite wrote:On February 23 2012 19:18 Jayjay54 wrote:On February 23 2012 19:15 syllogism wrote:
It is clearly against the spirit of the role though and you could have asked BC whether it is allowed. I believe we did: Rad
02-09-2012
10:36 AM ET (US)
Ah I just read this:
It is time for an announcement. The riddle game has begun, lucky contestants chosen to join the game have fun. It is now time to have a battle of wits with the Riddler. All who were included in the riddle game must play if they wish to be removed from it. Failure means death. No discussing in thread or in the zsasz QT if you happen to be in it and invited.
It doesn't actually say we can't discuss it here in our QT, but I'll double check for confirmation. e: also, BC frequently read our topic, he surely would have intervented long before we figured out the Bloody Cobbler riddle. It´s not expressly forbidden, that doesn´t mean it´s allowed. You should have checked with BC. Like I said, I believe Rad did. Moreover, after we started discussing a bit BC posted this in the QT: YulathPerson was signed in when posted 02-09-2012 01:18 PM ET (US) Why? I did not confirm a players role. I merely clarified on things you have already said in here. I don't want to see people discouraged on setup based reasons. It also isn't just helping you as both third parties have asked if they could be roleblocked and know they can be -_- As for the riddle stuff, before making generalized comments talk to the people within said game to find out what answers they have been given by me to figure out how the game works. The more questions asked the more information they receive So I am really sure, that this was, in fact allowed. as you see, he even encouraged talking about it... Really? When wondering about the Riddler game, you should talk to eachother to get answers, but Town should shut up about it and figure it out themselves? You don´t find that odd? yes. I do find it odd. Like I already posted, designed like this, the Riddler is really anti-town. But if the host of the game encourages you to discuss, wouldn't you? Or do you believe that this wasn't BC??? I´d ask again for clarification. The answer I read sounds like you should tell eachother about the rules that BC have told you each through PMs, so that he doesn´t have to tell you all individually, not that you are free to help eachother with the riddles themselves.
again, I believe Rad did that.
Plus, at the point where BC posted that we already made some Riddle comments, he would have stopped us. Seriously.
Also, BC answered possible answers with hints. You could ask questions about the riddle and he gave information. That's what he meant. He literally inspired us to all send questions and answers in and compare what we get back...combine that with the riddler message not mentioning scum QT, I see no reason to assume that this is forbidden.
Finally, only one person got out of the game. JB actually had the answer to his third riddle immediately and failed to send it in, because he was too tired which evens it out even more. No game breaking done. Both lost one person, that's better than your other vigs
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also Palmar, replace corpses with blueberries. That's how it's done :D No eggs involved
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On February 23 2012 19:44 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 19:38 Forumite wrote:On February 23 2012 19:30 Jayjay54 wrote:On February 23 2012 19:28 Forumite wrote:On February 23 2012 19:26 Jayjay54 wrote:On February 23 2012 19:22 Forumite wrote:On February 23 2012 19:18 Jayjay54 wrote:On February 23 2012 19:15 syllogism wrote:
It is clearly against the spirit of the role though and you could have asked BC whether it is allowed. I believe we did: Rad
02-09-2012
10:36 AM ET (US)
Ah I just read this:
It is time for an announcement. The riddle game has begun, lucky contestants chosen to join the game have fun. It is now time to have a battle of wits with the Riddler. All who were included in the riddle game must play if they wish to be removed from it. Failure means death. No discussing in thread or in the zsasz QT if you happen to be in it and invited.
It doesn't actually say we can't discuss it here in our QT, but I'll double check for confirmation. e: also, BC frequently read our topic, he surely would have intervented long before we figured out the Bloody Cobbler riddle. It´s not expressly forbidden, that doesn´t mean it´s allowed. You should have checked with BC. Like I said, I believe Rad did. Moreover, after we started discussing a bit BC posted this in the QT: YulathPerson was signed in when posted 02-09-2012 01:18 PM ET (US) Why? I did not confirm a players role. I merely clarified on things you have already said in here. I don't want to see people discouraged on setup based reasons. It also isn't just helping you as both third parties have asked if they could be roleblocked and know they can be -_- As for the riddle stuff, before making generalized comments talk to the people within said game to find out what answers they have been given by me to figure out how the game works. The more questions asked the more information they receive So I am really sure, that this was, in fact allowed. as you see, he even encouraged talking about it... Really? When wondering about the Riddler game, you should talk to eachother to get answers, but Town should shut up about it and figure it out themselves? You don´t find that odd? yes. I do find it odd. Like I already posted, designed like this, the Riddler is really anti-town. But if the host of the game encourages you to discuss, wouldn't you? Or do you believe that this wasn't BC??? I´d ask again for clarification. The answer I read sounds like you should tell eachother about the rules that BC have told you each through PMs, so that he doesn´t have to tell you all individually, not that you are free to help eachother with the riddles themselves. again, I believe Rad did that. Plus, at the point where BC posted that we already made some Riddle comments, he would have stopped us. Seriously. Also, BC answered possible answers with hints. You could ask questions about the riddle and he gave information. That's what he meant. He literally inspired us to all send questions and answers in and compare what we get back...combine that with the riddler message not mentioning scum QT, I see no reason to assume that this is forbidden. Finally, only one person got out of the game. JB actually had the answer to his third riddle immediately and failed to send it in, because he was too tired which evens it out even more. No game breaking done. Both lost one person, that's better than your other vigs
So far I have "Radfield probably took care of it", "BH didn´t stop us" and "but we screwed up the advantage we got from cheating so it´s okay".
##vote Jayjay54
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I want to rage at everybody that was a medic.
Ok I'm done.
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The only medic town had was a super medic who protects against ALL kp (not just 1), but he claimed on day 1 for no reason, protected a person who didn't want to be protected and lied about being shot
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I didn't want to come right out and call him a moron.
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On February 23 2012 19:57 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 19:44 Jayjay54 wrote:On February 23 2012 19:38 Forumite wrote:On February 23 2012 19:30 Jayjay54 wrote:On February 23 2012 19:28 Forumite wrote:On February 23 2012 19:26 Jayjay54 wrote:On February 23 2012 19:22 Forumite wrote:On February 23 2012 19:18 Jayjay54 wrote:On February 23 2012 19:15 syllogism wrote:
It is clearly against the spirit of the role though and you could have asked BC whether it is allowed. I believe we did: Rad
02-09-2012
10:36 AM ET (US)
Ah I just read this:
It is time for an announcement. The riddle game has begun, lucky contestants chosen to join the game have fun. It is now time to have a battle of wits with the Riddler. All who were included in the riddle game must play if they wish to be removed from it. Failure means death. No discussing in thread or in the zsasz QT if you happen to be in it and invited.
It doesn't actually say we can't discuss it here in our QT, but I'll double check for confirmation. e: also, BC frequently read our topic, he surely would have intervented long before we figured out the Bloody Cobbler riddle. It´s not expressly forbidden, that doesn´t mean it´s allowed. You should have checked with BC. Like I said, I believe Rad did. Moreover, after we started discussing a bit BC posted this in the QT: YulathPerson was signed in when posted 02-09-2012 01:18 PM ET (US) Why? I did not confirm a players role. I merely clarified on things you have already said in here. I don't want to see people discouraged on setup based reasons. It also isn't just helping you as both third parties have asked if they could be roleblocked and know they can be -_- As for the riddle stuff, before making generalized comments talk to the people within said game to find out what answers they have been given by me to figure out how the game works. The more questions asked the more information they receive So I am really sure, that this was, in fact allowed. as you see, he even encouraged talking about it... Really? When wondering about the Riddler game, you should talk to eachother to get answers, but Town should shut up about it and figure it out themselves? You don´t find that odd? yes. I do find it odd. Like I already posted, designed like this, the Riddler is really anti-town. But if the host of the game encourages you to discuss, wouldn't you? Or do you believe that this wasn't BC??? I´d ask again for clarification. The answer I read sounds like you should tell eachother about the rules that BC have told you each through PMs, so that he doesn´t have to tell you all individually, not that you are free to help eachother with the riddles themselves. again, I believe Rad did that. Plus, at the point where BC posted that we already made some Riddle comments, he would have stopped us. Seriously. Also, BC answered possible answers with hints. You could ask questions about the riddle and he gave information. That's what he meant. He literally inspired us to all send questions and answers in and compare what we get back...combine that with the riddler message not mentioning scum QT, I see no reason to assume that this is forbidden. Finally, only one person got out of the game. JB actually had the answer to his third riddle immediately and failed to send it in, because he was too tired which evens it out even more. No game breaking done. Both lost one person, that's better than your other vigs So far I have "Radfield probably took care of it", "BH didn´t stop us" and "but we screwed up the advantage we got from cheating so it´s okay". ##vote Jayjay54
alright, last comment from me on that issue.
a) It nowhere states that this is forbidden, you just assume that it is, because of "the spirit of the riddler game". Maybe the vig was designed to not be good, because you already had a fuckton of KPs (lynch+2x compVigs (Joker, Penguin) + normal Vig (sasz)+ solomon's passive)...not to mention the thirds. Did you ever happen to think that the last vig was not town favoured?
b) BC did not only let us continue, but actually encouraged us to discuss and share what our inquiries got us. After seeing we started discussing.
c) Rad said, he'd check, so I believe he did, why wouldn't I?
You just call us cheaters, because you think the role should be different. Well, it wasn't...
I hate being called a cheater.
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On February 23 2012 20:04 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 19:57 Forumite wrote:On February 23 2012 19:44 Jayjay54 wrote:On February 23 2012 19:38 Forumite wrote:On February 23 2012 19:30 Jayjay54 wrote:On February 23 2012 19:28 Forumite wrote:On February 23 2012 19:26 Jayjay54 wrote:On February 23 2012 19:22 Forumite wrote:On February 23 2012 19:18 Jayjay54 wrote:On February 23 2012 19:15 syllogism wrote:
It is clearly against the spirit of the role though and you could have asked BC whether it is allowed. I believe we did: Rad
02-09-2012
10:36 AM ET (US)
Ah I just read this:
It is time for an announcement. The riddle game has begun, lucky contestants chosen to join the game have fun. It is now time to have a battle of wits with the Riddler. All who were included in the riddle game must play if they wish to be removed from it. Failure means death. No discussing in thread or in the zsasz QT if you happen to be in it and invited.
It doesn't actually say we can't discuss it here in our QT, but I'll double check for confirmation. e: also, BC frequently read our topic, he surely would have intervented long before we figured out the Bloody Cobbler riddle. It´s not expressly forbidden, that doesn´t mean it´s allowed. You should have checked with BC. Like I said, I believe Rad did. Moreover, after we started discussing a bit BC posted this in the QT: YulathPerson was signed in when posted 02-09-2012 01:18 PM ET (US) Why? I did not confirm a players role. I merely clarified on things you have already said in here. I don't want to see people discouraged on setup based reasons. It also isn't just helping you as both third parties have asked if they could be roleblocked and know they can be -_- As for the riddle stuff, before making generalized comments talk to the people within said game to find out what answers they have been given by me to figure out how the game works. The more questions asked the more information they receive So I am really sure, that this was, in fact allowed. as you see, he even encouraged talking about it... Really? When wondering about the Riddler game, you should talk to eachother to get answers, but Town should shut up about it and figure it out themselves? You don´t find that odd? yes. I do find it odd. Like I already posted, designed like this, the Riddler is really anti-town. But if the host of the game encourages you to discuss, wouldn't you? Or do you believe that this wasn't BC??? I´d ask again for clarification. The answer I read sounds like you should tell eachother about the rules that BC have told you each through PMs, so that he doesn´t have to tell you all individually, not that you are free to help eachother with the riddles themselves. again, I believe Rad did that. Plus, at the point where BC posted that we already made some Riddle comments, he would have stopped us. Seriously. Also, BC answered possible answers with hints. You could ask questions about the riddle and he gave information. That's what he meant. He literally inspired us to all send questions and answers in and compare what we get back...combine that with the riddler message not mentioning scum QT, I see no reason to assume that this is forbidden. Finally, only one person got out of the game. JB actually had the answer to his third riddle immediately and failed to send it in, because he was too tired which evens it out even more. No game breaking done. Both lost one person, that's better than your other vigs So far I have "Radfield probably took care of it", "BH didn´t stop us" and "but we screwed up the advantage we got from cheating so it´s okay". ##vote Jayjay54 alright, last comment from me on that issue. a) It nowhere states that this is forbidden, you just assume that it is, because of "the spirit of the riddler game". Maybe the vig was designed to not be good, because you already had a fuckton of KPs (lynch+2x compVigs (Joker, Penguin) + normal Vig (sasz)+ solomon's passive)...not to mention the thirds. Did you ever happen to think that the last vig was not town favoured? b) BC did not only let us continue, but actually encouraged us to discuss and share what our inquiries got us. After seeing we started discussing. c) Rad said, he'd check, so I believe he did, why wouldn't I? You just call us cheaters, because you think the role should be different. Well, it wasn't... I hate being called a cheater.
You say I´m making assumptions, but it´s you who are making assumptions. You assumed Radfield checked and got an OK, you assume that you were allowed due to the specific wording in the announcement, and you assume that BC is checking your every post in the scumQT, ready to jump forward if you do something weird. You´d only need to make sure once, check with Radfield again, send your own PM to BC, and I would have no real problem with this, only with the setup and the riddler power.
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What I want to know is... how was I not absolutely trounced on day 3 for jumping off the Sheth lynch?!
As soon as he flipped red, I thought, well this is my last night in the game!
I somehow went largely unnoticed by everyone until day 4 it seems.
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You are clearly not cheaters and it's possible BC envisioned for the role to work like this. I abuse the game mechanics whenever possible, the justification being that finding holes in setups is gratifying and I'm playing to win. While I probably would have personally asked for a clarification in this case, you were not covert about discussing it and it was reasonable to assume that BC would have said something if it was against the rules of the role.
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Also, BC answered possible answers with hints. You could ask questions about the riddle and he gave information.
what? I got incorrect back eventually...
and correct back on the last riddle I got, had basically seen it before also amusing choice
Zsasz is a comp vig with limited targets isn't he?
Also I found radfields little bits of subversion rather amusing
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On February 23 2012 20:12 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 20:04 Jayjay54 wrote:On February 23 2012 19:57 Forumite wrote:On February 23 2012 19:44 Jayjay54 wrote:On February 23 2012 19:38 Forumite wrote:On February 23 2012 19:30 Jayjay54 wrote:On February 23 2012 19:28 Forumite wrote:On February 23 2012 19:26 Jayjay54 wrote:On February 23 2012 19:22 Forumite wrote:On February 23 2012 19:18 Jayjay54 wrote:
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I believe we did:
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e: also, BC frequently read our topic, he surely would have intervented long before we figured out the Bloody Cobbler riddle. It´s not expressly forbidden, that doesn´t mean it´s allowed. You should have checked with BC. Like I said, I believe Rad did. Moreover, after we started discussing a bit BC posted this in the QT: YulathPerson was signed in when posted 02-09-2012 01:18 PM ET (US) Why? I did not confirm a players role. I merely clarified on things you have already said in here. I don't want to see people discouraged on setup based reasons. It also isn't just helping you as both third parties have asked if they could be roleblocked and know they can be -_- As for the riddle stuff, before making generalized comments talk to the people within said game to find out what answers they have been given by me to figure out how the game works. The more questions asked the more information they receive So I am really sure, that this was, in fact allowed. as you see, he even encouraged talking about it... Really? When wondering about the Riddler game, you should talk to eachother to get answers, but Town should shut up about it and figure it out themselves? You don´t find that odd? yes. I do find it odd. Like I already posted, designed like this, the Riddler is really anti-town. But if the host of the game encourages you to discuss, wouldn't you? Or do you believe that this wasn't BC??? I´d ask again for clarification. The answer I read sounds like you should tell eachother about the rules that BC have told you each through PMs, so that he doesn´t have to tell you all individually, not that you are free to help eachother with the riddles themselves. again, I believe Rad did that. Plus, at the point where BC posted that we already made some Riddle comments, he would have stopped us. Seriously. Also, BC answered possible answers with hints. You could ask questions about the riddle and he gave information. That's what he meant. He literally inspired us to all send questions and answers in and compare what we get back...combine that with the riddler message not mentioning scum QT, I see no reason to assume that this is forbidden. Finally, only one person got out of the game. JB actually had the answer to his third riddle immediately and failed to send it in, because he was too tired which evens it out even more. No game breaking done. Both lost one person, that's better than your other vigs So far I have "Radfield probably took care of it", "BH didn´t stop us" and "but we screwed up the advantage we got from cheating so it´s okay". ##vote Jayjay54 alright, last comment from me on that issue. a) It nowhere states that this is forbidden, you just assume that it is, because of "the spirit of the riddler game". Maybe the vig was designed to not be good, because you already had a fuckton of KPs (lynch+2x compVigs (Joker, Penguin) + normal Vig (sasz)+ solomon's passive)...not to mention the thirds. Did you ever happen to think that the last vig was not town favoured? b) BC did not only let us continue, but actually encouraged us to discuss and share what our inquiries got us. After seeing we started discussing. c) Rad said, he'd check, so I believe he did, why wouldn't I? You just call us cheaters, because you think the role should be different. Well, it wasn't... I hate being called a cheater. You say I´m making assumptions, but it´s you who are making assumptions. You assumed Radfield checked and got an OK, you assume that you were allowed due to the specific wording in the announcement, and you assume that BC is checking your every post in the scumQT, ready to jump forward if you do something weird. You´d only need to make sure once, check with Radfield again, send your own PM to BC, and I would have no real problem with this, only with the setup and the riddler power.
this is what BC posted:
As for the riddle stuff, before making generalized comments talk to the people within said game to find out what answers they have been given by me to figure out how the game works. The more questions asked the more information they receive
He says we should talk about the game with other players in the game. Everyone received the same Riddler PM, so it is not at all about rules, but about inquiries and questions. If we aren't allowed to talk about the riddle at all, why would he write this?
BC actively encourages us to discuss the riddles. "The more question asked the more information they receive".
How is this not a confirmation that we are allowed?
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On February 23 2012 20:16 evantrees wrote:Show nested quote +Also, BC answered possible answers with hints. You could ask questions about the riddle and he gave information. what? I got incorrect back eventually... and correct back on the last riddle I got, had basically seen it before also amusing choice Zsasz is a comp vig with limited targets isn't he? Also I found radfields little bits of subversion rather amusing
he'd not really give hints, but say "warm or cold":
Original Message From BloodyC0bbler:
have an almost right answer in one of these ones.
Original Message From jaybrundage:
Btw Five men came to pay tribute to* his grave this to is supposed to be here correct.
Because of his intellect
Because (pun involving question marks)
Because the riddler wanted to be buried that would make people question his choice of a grave.
The riddler was buried there to provide this riddle.
No one knows why he was the riddler.
We can never know hes dead
Original Message From BloodyC0bbler:
not quite, but close
Original Message From jaybrundage:
Because thats where he wanted to be buried
Original Message From Curu:
So you've made it this far? It is time for one final challenge:
Riddle Me This:
The Riddler has told his final riddle.
Five men came to pay tribute his grave.
The first spoke of his greatest triumphs.
The second told of his most foolish mistakes.
The third praised his extraordinary intellect,
While the fourth referenced his questionable sanity
The fifth remained silent, pondering the Enigma that was lost to all.
Now tell me, why was The Riddler buried in the exact center of Gotham City?
also, yes you are right, you had 3 comp Vigs + lynch....that's 3 KP for town and mafia every night. Plus lynch and solomon...holy shit, that's a lot...
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On February 23 2012 20:16 evantrees wrote:Show nested quote +Also, BC answered possible answers with hints. You could ask questions about the riddle and he gave information. what? I got incorrect back eventually... and correct back on the last riddle I got, had basically seen it before also amusing choice Zsasz is a comp vig with limited targets isn't he? Also I found radfields little bits of subversion rather amusing
I could only hit those I invited into my circle. I hit Palmar night 1. I had assumed prior that he was either CW or BM and wanted to confirm this. But I died.
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I quit following this about day 3. How many scum did I invite into my circle?
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On February 23 2012 20:33 Jackal58 wrote:
I quit following this about day 3. How many scum did I invite into my circle?
2: bugs and rad
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