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Also apologizing in advance for being inactive right off the start, I will probably only be able to read the thread at 7:30 EST and won't post until like 2-3:00 EST. So don't read that as scum | ||
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As of right now my two people of interest are zarepath and fakepromise. Zarepath for introducing the idea which really only benefits scum if they have half a brain and fakepromise for thinking 30% of finding scum is a good bet 0_o I should post again around 3EST I encourage everypne to post their minds. Bah I made so many errors but posting on my iphone so I really dont want to correct them | ||
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##vote: CosmosXAM Still looking at zellblade & zarepath but we've seen them post and zare is pretty active, zellblade may just be making nooby mistakes but he has still posted oddly. | ||
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On January 26 2012 23:35 Simberto wrote: Chocolate looks strange. Not only is he active on TL, but not contributing here at all, almost all of his posts consist of zero content. He is saying that he tries to make Lurkers post, while he pretty much lurks very hard himself. Other then that, he did not post anything except an attack on the random lynching plan. I would really like some kind of statement from those 3 guys. Hi guys I'm back. I just got home from school so please excuse my poor schedule for one more day. First, about activity on TL as opposed to that in mafia. When I was making posts last night there was nothing going on in the thread. When I got off SS was just defending himself and the last post was http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=305805¤tpage=8#145 I didn't see anything to add to SS's post because there is essentially nothing to add; it was a thoroughly confusing post but what I got from it was that he's voting for fakepromise because there is better evidence against him than others. Now I haven't been lurking in that I haven't been reading the thread. I can only read for 15 minutes in the car on my phone in the morning and post from 4-9 P.M. Since the traffic will increase closer and closer to the deadline tonight you can expect to see more input. | ||
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On January 28 2012 05:09 slOosh wrote: Are people not talking because they don't know what to talk about? How about this. Answer these two questions - Name one person who you think is town and why. - Name one person who you think is mafia and why. Bromancipate, SacredSystem, Chocolate, balt11t, CosmosXAM, Adam4167 and zelblade - answer the question. All the rest of us have been pretty active and so instead of answering this ourselves we should pressure the lurkers. By withholding our own answers, we can put these guys in the spotlight. There are 7 hours left in the night. Post or warrant more suspicion on yourselves. Town have nothing to fear, and much to gain by posting. List of haven't posted yet: Bromancipate, SacredSystem, Chocolate, balt11t, CosmosXAM, Adam4167 and zelblade. Well I'm back from school so here goes nothing. I think simberto is the most town because he has posted many posts, usually with good content a la getting people to post, analyzing, etc. He is very active, although not so much tonight as he has been while I've been gone before. I think sacredsystem is mafia, or at least appears to be the most mafia right now. Definitely suspicious. The most suspicious part is that his posts are confusing- if anyone calls him out on them for a scumslip he could try to explain it away by interpreting his posts. Then again, he may just be trying to be concise with his posts, and they do generally have a good message. I'm just not sure about him. Zellblade has been suspicious to me for the whole game, as has zarepath. | ||
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On January 28 2012 06:41 slOosh wrote: Please provide one quote of his in which he does this and show how you come to this conclusion. I want to see you do it, instead of doing it for you. Pick only one mafia suspect. I presume you mean SS. He is confusing in his word choice and spelling in all of his posts but I guess this one is a good example. On January 26 2012 10:34 SacredSystem wrote: i was saying that we shouldnt make wild assumuptions based on inconclusive logic traps, which many of you were doing also if you arnt saying anything, then dont say it now fakepromise made a decision which doenst make much sense from the townes perspective, now im not assuming anything in sayin that, which is why im voting for fakepromise as mafia sorry i forgot about the voting thread The bolded part isthe most confusing because he says he is not assuming anything from his post about mafia odds but then says that's why he is voting for FP as mafia. | ||
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Also SS please explain your reasoning; I have explained mine and it is nowhere near conclusive, meaning that i'm not very certain your are mafia, just that you are the best candidate in my eyes right now to be one. | ||
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On January 29 2012 10:44 SacredSystem wrote: i was originally suspicious of chocolate for simply abandoning his chase on cosmos and then using my logic to jump on fakepromise when several people were already onboard to lynch him however in light of recent events there seem to be a lot of odd posts and ideas that are floating around that have reduced my interest on chocolate i am busy reading into the incentives and motives that other players have made and ill be posting my thoughts in a moment I was putting pressure on cosmos just to get him to post and get a good feel for how he responds under pressure. I wasn't trying to really convince everyone that he was mafia and worthy of a lynch. It was a little bit the same when I said I though you were mafia; I wanted to put you under pressure and see your reaction, but this time there was actually content to work off of. This isn't to say that I'm no longer suspicious of you, of course. | ||
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if he were mafia wouldnt he know? as of now i am really tempted to lean in favor of zelblade just being a noob like he claims to be If he were mafia of course he would know. That's why people are so suspicious of his post, because they see it as a move to try to seem like he's not mafia. Now the two most prominent suspects for mafia at the moment at Zerpath, who is the most prominent, and myself. Yet interestingly enough he is attacking me now we both cant be mafia, if we were we wouldnt accuse each other that leaves us with 3 choices, we both are town, i am mafia, zerpath is mafia You actually could both be mafia. It is not unheard of for two mafia to go after each other so that once one dies the town "confirms" the other. This is known as bussing, and you can't overlook this as a possibility. | ||
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On January 30 2012 02:04 Simberto wrote: I think that for today, SacredSystem is not a very good lynch. I also still remain very, very suspicious of zelblade, and would really like to lynch him since so often stuff seems to lead towards him, like this Zarepath case does, too. Basically the moment the second Zarepath case appears, zelblade comes out of lurking and attacks SacredSystem (easy target), quickly reinforced by Zarepath himself. This, in my opinion, makes the already strong case on zarepath stronger. There are also some more inconsistencies i noticed upon rereading the thread, but this could also be my confirmation bias speaking (which upon rereading day 1 seems to be pretty strong). For the moment, to avoid falling into the same traps i did on day 1, i will keep my vote on zelblade for overall fishiness, but i won't be the reason the zarepath case fails unless something truly unexpected comes up. I would also really like our friendly neighbourhood lurkers balt11t, bromancipate and chocolate to both post in this thread and cast their votes. I'm voting for zarepath because he seems the most scummy out of everyone right now and because if we don't lynch today we'll be in a pretty bad position if mafia get a kill tonight. | ||
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I am giving leeway to SS based on my belief that Zelblade is mafia. It is conditional leeway. Hypothetically if there was room for another mafia member on the team I would totally agree with you and move to lynch SS. However because there are only 4 and I cannot see how mafia team could be Zarepath, Zelblade, balt11t and SS, I am inclined to believe SS is just a confusing, anti-town townie (much like FakePromise). I don't really like this. It seems pretty risky to let bad/scummy play go unpunished just because you don't think these two could both be mafia. Is it unlikely that they are both mafia? Yes. Is it possible? Who knows. I just think these are dangerous waters, because two players are "scummy" and yet you're only letting one actually be scum, when we still have two spots left (I'm pretty convinced balt is scum. We'll see.). | ||
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And for the 3rd scum, id be looking at Chocolate or Bromancipate. Any reasons, or just because I haven't posted much? | ||
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On January 31 2012 19:21 zelblade wrote: Also one thing that I feel is wierd: It seems like he is attempting to be casting doubt onto DYH at this point. I understand this is a minor point, but i feel that it is really wierd. You're right, it is a minor point but it is possible. I don't think he is casting doubt but just trying to keep everyone with an open mind, since it is possible. I highly doubt mafia would waste a shot like that, and DYH has really good analysis and posts, but still, it is a possibility that i think he wanted to make sure others understand. | ||
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On February 01 2012 01:24 Simberto wrote: And to avoid this whole thing being to one-sided, i want to point out two significantly non-scummy things i did. I was the first person to be suspicious of balt11t because of the way he attacked FakePromise, even though i should have followed that through after FakePromise flipped green. At least i hope that some of the suspicion that was on him is a result of that. I was the first person to accept the day1 case against zarepath. At that point in time there was a very real chance that that case could succeed, and if it had succeeded, me supporting it might have very well been the deciding factor. Sure, it did not succeed, but that is not something i knew at that point in time, when there were still more then 2.5 hours on the clock. I only did change my vote away from zarepath when it became totally clear that there was no chance that we would get a lynch on him. You are posting what you should have done but in my opinion you aren't posting enough of why you did things in the first place. When you are addressing posts you say what you could have done better, but we aren't interested in that. As they say, hindsight is 20/20. Just tell us why you did things to begin with. Like this Well, i don't know what i thought half a week ago. I know that that post does not make any sense, so i must have either simply put in the wrong name by accident, or at that point in time believed it is the right name. Should i make up some bullshit why putting that name there makes sense when it obviously does not? I'm sure you can give us a more substantial answer than that. | ||
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On February 01 2012 07:58 slOosh wrote: I agree with you on the lurking. I do believe that Chocolate should speak up as we progress into lategame. There are so many things to talk about and really no reason to remain quiet as a town. Right now, being neutral on people's lists is something that warrants inspection. However, these are things I don't like. You don't expound on your reasonings on SacredSystem - WHY does he look clean? And WHY do you think that Adam is strange on lack of info even though you say in the same post that he has content? On that note I would like Chocolate to comment on his opinions. Day 3 and I'm still not too sure what you actually think. For instance, what do you think about Simbarto, SacredSystem and Zelblade? Please be clear in revealing your thoughts (e.g. I think this person is mafia because of this, and this other guy is town because of this etc.) All right let's do this. Town Sloosh- Great analysis, very active, driving discussion DYH- Good analysis, active, claimed being hit w/ no counterclaim Bromancipate- Kind of on the edge, but has been posting a lot lately w/ good analysis and is driving discussion Cosmos- started zarepath lynch Adam- playing well, contributing Don't know... SS- very hostile attitude, confusing posts, omgus a lot BUT is active and seems to be trying to do analysis Zellblade- just generally shady, lurker like myself Mafia?? Simberto- Now that everyone has pointed out his inconsistencies he seems to me to be a mafia, or at least the best current candidate for a lynch. If you want any clarification just ask. My don't know list is subject to change especially if others post a good analysis of one of them. If simberto was not a candidate for lynching i would be on SS just because he likes to omgus a lot. | ||
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On February 01 2012 09:07 Adam4167 wrote: Posting lists is scummy prob, you should know that Seriously though, I feel like of those 5 names I am mentioning, the last 2 scum are in there. Chocolate looks bad. He spends all of day 1 soft defending zarepath, jumps on the zarepath vote quite late on day 2 (hes vote number 7 with 5 required to lynch), hes nigh on inactive and when he shows up he doesn't push any cases or reads. Zelblade is an interesting case. I know people hate it when this gets said, but flipping him would provide a wealth of info. He was also fairly late on the Zarepath vote on day 2, after trying to push my case on SacredSystem. Jury is still out here, Id probably keep him alive another day while we lynch someone else and gather more information. SacredSystem I eased up on a while ago. Hes another one who can stay around while we hang someone else. Bromancipate: All I really said for you was that your post-count was lacking, but you're busy, so I get that. That and jitsu never followed up on something he said. He did however cast suspicion onto balt11t at the end of night 1 when not many people were really focused on him, so ill look elsewhere for mafia for now. Simberto I've never called scum. I just said his postcount dropping off compared to day 1 was odd. Ill put some thoughts together on him soon. At this point, I'm interested in a Chocolate lynch, and ill make my mind up on Simberto sometime in the next few hours after i finish reading. It was 7 required to lynch -.- I think it's interesting that in less than 24 hours you have changed me from a null read to mafia, solely because I haven't posted much (although I have been posting). I'd also like you to show me when I soft defended zarepath. | ||
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On February 01 2012 09:26 Adam4167 wrote: Says it right there at the bottom. + Show Spoiler + On January 30 2012 02:11 dreamflower wrote: Voting Count Update SacredSystem - 2 Adam4167 zarepath zelblade - 1 Simberto zarepath - 6 DoYouHas CosmosXAM slOosh SacredSystem MidnightGladius zelblade Non-Voters - 3 Bromancipate Chocolate balt11t Voting ends at 03:00 GMT (+00:00) today. Currently, the number of votes needed to lynch is: 5 out of 9. And since you asked: and Good to know you're still reading the thread though. That was if those people never voted at all, once they had all voted it would've been 7. How does 5/12 even make sense? In the OP it says how they determine the # required and for 12 it is 7. You could call that soft defending zarepath but honestly at the time I was more suspicious of the lurkers. Also those were during the first day when the evidence and case against zare was much less than those of cosmos, ss, zellblade, or fakepromise. | ||
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On February 01 2012 16:46 slOosh wrote: Ok. This is about Chocolate. Quick skim of his filter demonstrates that he has some experience with mafia and isn't a total newbie playing his first game. There are nine players in the game. He puts five as town, two as null & one as mafia for a total of eight reads (plus himself makes nine). Remember that there are two mafia left (as if town would forget!) and look at his last line. He only considers Simberto as mafia after night 2 ends and people start openly suspecting Simberto. It is a very passive stance. Notice how he says it. He "seems". Then notice how he says that this is the best current candidate. Ok. So logically he is saying that Simberto, of whom he does not strongly believe is the mafia, is the best candidate in his mind. So I ask you guys, what is he thinking going into night 2 without any mafia reads??? With this I am leaning much to a Simberto/Chocolate team that is bussing each other so that the other will stand a better chance. With Simberto on the chopping block he drops his thoughts on zelblade and points out Chocolate. This does mean that Sacred is town. Perhaps he is town suffering from serious tunnel vision. I don't like this but at least he has some thought (doesn't matter how well/poorly reasoned it may be). Chocolate, with the 0 reads night 2 is a mafia. It's not that I don't think there are two mafia left, of course there are. I just don't KNOW who the second one is. I also think the main reason that someone would suddenly be on simberto's case just after night ends would be if he had investigated him, which is good evidence on top of some of his posting. | ||
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On February 02 2012 06:46 Simberto wrote: Ok, i will go to bed now. I hope i am still alive tomorrow, but if i am not, take a look at what i wrote before with the knowledge that i flipped green. Also, i think that you need to be a bit more careful in your investigations, it seems to me that some here start an investigation with "he is guilty, how can i prove that?", instead of "is he mafia or town, what can i find out?", which is obviously a pretty bad way to go about things. Like I said before, I think we probably have some dts who have found peoples' alignments and want to persuade others of their position without actually mentioning that they are dt. On February 01 2012 14:02 SacredSystem wrote: let me be clear right now my sole focus of suspicion is 100% on zelblade This doesn't really help because ultimately to guarantee a vote for today you will have to vote for either me or simberto. Of course this works if you want a nolynch On February 01 2012 22:48 zelblade wrote: And wtf do you mean with the 2nd sentance? Are you saying that one of the people who quickly jumped onto simberto day 3 is the DT? (I am assuming that you are refering to a DT check when you say "investigated". Yes And also Simberto has actually been focusing on zellblade for even longer than I thought before http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=305805¤tpage=5#99 | ||
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On February 02 2012 07:43 SacredSystem wrote: non voters and voters of choclate can you please switch your vote over to zelblade if the non voters switch over we can lynch zelblade, if the voters of chocolate switch over we would need 1 more of a lynch Maybe if you reiterated your points for why he should be lynched and show why he is the best candidate your case would be stronger. To me it just seems that you are tunnel visioning him and keep saying, "He defended zarepath, and is thus mafia" | ||
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On February 02 2012 18:26 Adam4167 wrote: I am ok with the 24/h day cycle. Chocolate, why are you trying to out our DT? Is it because you realize youre dead tomorrow and you want to give your last teammate a half a chance to win? If they are getting 'guilty' checks back and then building a case from that, it is in your best interest to NOT say anything so he can continue doing his work. Now that your only mafia suspect has flipped town, where do you suggest we go next? My vote will be heading your way as soon as the sun comes up. I am not trying to out the dt, I just thought there was a reasonable chance that a dt had checked simberto, which started the lynch. DT shouldnt say anything about his role, and I dont want him to yet. If I were mafia I wouldnt post in the thread to tell a teammate, I would just tell him. I am ok with the 24h cycle since the weekend is coming up. I am most suspicious of SS still because he is tunnel visioning zellblade pretty hard. Then I would go after you if he flips red or zellblade if he flipped green. | ||
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On February 03 2012 07:04 Adam4167 wrote: A typical response and WIFOM. I say you were looking to rattle the DT into making himself more obvious, so you had confirmation of your shot. I ask you again, what possible motive could a townie have for even bringing it up? How does SS flipping red implicate me as mafia? Sloosh, what has changed your mind about chocolate between this post and this post? The analysis on Chocolate shows exactly why he is mafia. He has not been doing any work to further this town and he gives one line explanations as to why people are mafia and this is only after he is prodded. About the dt, I wasn't trying to make him expose himself but was trying to further simberto's case, because it did seem like he was being attacked by a dt due to the quick pressure after night. SS flipping red doesn't implicate you as mafia because of your reactions but because you are my next in line after him in my mafia list, and I can't see him continually trying to bus his teammate. if he flipped green or blue, especially dt, I would be after zellblade in a heartbeat. | ||
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I definitely sucked, I was afraid to post analysis because I was certain I would make a scumslip and I didn't know exactly what to look for. | ||
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