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On February 01 2012 09:00 DoYouHas wrote:
Bromancipate, while it is true that a zelblade lynch would give us information, a Simberto lynch also gives us quite a bit of information as well. If Simberto flips red, it all but confirms zelblade as town (unless Simberto is operating a long con bussing scheme). Also, it would be pretty strong evidence for narrowing our search down to either SacredSystem or Chocolate for day4. If he flips green (unlikely as I see it), it broadens our view of possible scum again, which is something I would like to know I need to do earlier rather than later. But look past all this to the endgame. We are 7 town against 2 scum. In order to win this game mafia are going to have to get 3 mislynches as well as not have their hit stopped the next two nights. This tells me that one of the only real ways that mafia have to win this game is by taking control of the days. Who among the remaining players really have the potential to take that kind of control? Myself, Bromancipate, sl0osh, Simberto, and maybe Adam. So not only do I think that I have made a strong enough case to get Simberto lynched on its own merit, but we would be safeguarding our endgame by lynching him.
I am still making up my mind on Simberto. As you say he is one of us who is actively contributing.
On February 01 2012 09:07 Adam4167 wrote:Posting lists is scummy prob, you should know that  Seriously though, I feel like of those 5 names I am mentioning, the last 2 scum are in there. Chocolate looks bad. He spends all of day 1 soft defending zarepath, jumps on the zarepath vote quite late on day 2 (hes vote number 7 with 5 required to lynch), hes nigh on inactive and when he shows up he doesn't push any cases or reads. Zelblade is an interesting case. I know people hate it when this gets said, but flipping him would provide a wealth of info. He was also fairly late on the Zarepath vote on day 2, after trying to push my case on SacredSystem. Jury is still out here, Id probably keep him alive another day while we lynch someone else and gather more information. SacredSystem I eased up on a while ago. Hes another one who can stay around while we hang someone else. Bromancipate: All I really said for you was that your post-count was lacking, but you're busy, so I get that. That and jitsu never followed up on something he said. He did however cast suspicion onto balt11t at the end of night 1 when not many people were really focused on him, so ill look elsewhere for mafia for now. Simberto I've never called scum. I just said his postcount dropping off compared to day 1 was odd. Ill put some thoughts together on him soon. At this point, I'm interested in a Chocolate lynch, and ill make my mind up on Simberto sometime in the next few hours after i finish reading.
Lists are only scummy if they have no purpose and you provide nothing else. There is a very clear reason for mine, I want a succesful lynch and that requires people being aware of others intentions. We will have a real problem if we don't narrow our lynch candidates to two or at most three. Chocolate is certainly not helping himself but it is hard to tell whether he is in a similar boat to zelblade, just not sure how to post. His lurking, voting patterns and his determination to respond only when required is really what is making him look bad. He can redeem himself if he contributes as we have bigger fish to fry. SS however is still responding in an aggressive manner to being questioned and has subsequently disappeared.
My updated list is spoilered for those interested
+ Show Spoiler +People who think Zelblade is scum- Adam4167
- CosmosXAM
- Simberto
- SacredSystem
Simberto is scum- DoYouHas
- CosmosXAM
- sl0osh
- Zelblade
- Chocolate
SacredSystem is scum- Bromancipate
- Zelblade
- DoYouHas
- sl0osh
Chocolate is scum
Unfortunately people I have to go now. I have a black tie dinner tonight for work so I won't be able to log on until a similar time tomorrow morning. I will have finalised my position on Simberto by then and will post what I have. In the meantime Jistu may appear, I haven't heard much from him.
Good luck guys, all it takes is two more succesfull lynches and the game is ours.
/Probulous
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Well, it is soft defense. You state that he might be scum but then rationalize it away by saying other people look worse.
And yes, those posts did come from day 1, mainly because you've contributed very little so i have very little to work with.
This post here is the only real substantial thing you've given us since day 1, and it came in as I was typing my post so I haven't read it until just now.
I appreciate that its something, but your one mafia suspect is Simberto, who is already under heavy suspicion and you don't really offer anything new as to why hes scum, just that 'other people have pointed out his inconsistencies'. Comb through his filter, find something new, alleviate my suspicion that you are not interested in helping this town move forward.
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Well I'm not sure if it's "new" but he has basically been tunnel visioning Zellblade since Day 1
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there is no way zelblade is town,
he and zarepath attacked me together
zelblade defended zarepath when i accused him
zelblade stood there in defense of zarepath, in other words zelblade defended a mafia
and then after we find out that zarepath is mafia zelblade plays it off like good job guys that was an easy lynch
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After rereading the thread in its entirety, ive noticed something.
Zarepath pushing CosmosXAM as a lynch candidate on day 1 stemmed partly from CosmosXAM pointing the finger a Chocolate for being 'suspicious'. This is a textbook example of what is known as a 'Chainsaw Defense', which is when one mafia gets attacked by a townie, another mafia attacks the accuser to deflect suspicion back on the townie. Its right Here at the bottom of that horrible WIFOM'ey defense of FakePromise.
Add on top of this, both times I've called him mafia, hes come out of lurker mode.
I'm seeing too much in favor of voting for Chocolate, and not enough redeeming him.
##Vote Chocolate
One thing that sticks out to me in Simberto's filter is the continual redirects onto balt11t. And There Are Lots And Lots Of Them
So I guess I am posed with the question of was he doing this to pick up the 'town cred' after we inevitably killed balt? (because lets face it, that was going to happen, sooner rather than later)
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On February 01 2012 12:09 Adam4167 wrote:After rereading the thread in its entirety, ive noticed something. Zarepath pushing CosmosXAM as a lynch candidate on day 1 stemmed partly from CosmosXAM pointing the finger a Chocolate for being 'suspicious'. This is a textbook example of what is known as a 'Chainsaw Defense', which is when one mafia gets attacked by a townie, another mafia attacks the accuser to deflect suspicion back on the townie. Its right Here at the bottom of that horrible WIFOM'ey defense of FakePromise. Add on top of this, both times I've called him mafia, hes come out of lurker mode. I'm seeing too much in favor of voting for Chocolate, and not enough redeeming him. ##Vote ChocolateOne thing that sticks out to me in Simberto's filter is the continual redirects onto balt11t. And There Are Lots And Lots Of ThemSo I guess I am posed with the question of was he doing this to pick up the 'town cred' after we inevitably killed balt? (because lets face it, that was going to happen, sooner rather than later)
Interesting points, after reading a lot of previous posts I think that my new top three that might be mafia (I know there is only two left) would have to be chocolate simberto zelblade though I doubt both simberto and zelblade would be mafia together, still not even close to 100% on any of these so i think I will hold my vote off for a bit.
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Right. I'm resorting to paint here (oh gawd) to try and get a clearer picture of what everyone is saying.
After taking in everyone's reads, I find these are the two most likely scum teams: Chocoloate/Zelblade or Simberto/SacredSystem
As we begin to flip more of these names, this picture will solve itself. I am content with flipping anyone in the above diagram, with a special preference for Chocolate for the previously mentioned reasons.
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On February 01 2012 12:09 Adam4167 wrote:After rereading the thread in its entirety, ive noticed something. Zarepath pushing CosmosXAM as a lynch candidate on day 1 stemmed partly from CosmosXAM pointing the finger a Chocolate for being 'suspicious'. This is a textbook example of what is known as a 'Chainsaw Defense', which is when one mafia gets attacked by a townie, another mafia attacks the accuser to deflect suspicion back on the townie. Its right Here at the bottom of that horrible WIFOM'ey defense of FakePromise. Add on top of this, both times I've called him mafia, hes come out of lurker mode. I'm seeing too much in favor of voting for Chocolate, and not enough redeeming him. ##Vote ChocolateOne thing that sticks out to me in Simberto's filter is the continual redirects onto balt11t. And There Are Lots And Lots Of ThemSo I guess I am posed with the question of was he doing this to pick up the 'town cred' after we inevitably killed balt? (because lets face it, that was going to happen, sooner rather than later)
I do want to point out that in every single post balt11t is always in a list of people.
A list of lurkers. A list of suspects. Zelblade is also in all of those posts.
So you have to ask, is this a town thing to do? Is he contributing by pressuring / openly sharing all his suspicions on multiple people at once, or is he taking a non-commital stance that he can easily "go with the flow" and not be charged with error?
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Yeah, I insinuated in that post you quoted that I felt it might have just been a ploy.
I guess I cant discount the policy of a Simberto/Chocolate mafia team, even with Simberto attacking Chocolate. If both mafia are indeed in that list of 4 names I put in the diagram, then they're desperate and nothing is impossible.
Either way, tomorrows lynch will be very illuminating.
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On February 01 2012 13:05 Adam4167 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Right. I'm resorting to paint here (oh gawd) to try and get a clearer picture of what everyone is saying. After taking in everyone's reads, I find these are the two most likely scum teams: Chocoloate/Zelblade or Simberto/SacredSystem As we begin to flip more of these names, this picture will solve itself. I am content with flipping anyone in the above diagram, with a special preference for Chocolate for the previously mentioned reasons.
Wow that's awesome. I'd go for SacredSystem / Simberto team. Why?
Look at particularly the black lines in the diagram. Who has the least justifiable black lines? (I.e. shouldn't be null unless they were same alignment)
On January 28 2012 07:10 SacredSystem wrote:
chocolate is mafia
simberto is town I ask him why he thinks Simberto is town. His response.On January 28 2012 07:31 SacredSystem wrote:
i was some what suspicious of zarepath, just as we all were, for sugessting random lynching,
-being suspicious of him presents good town motives
then zarepath consistently posted excuses and apologies
simberto also figured out that chocolate hasnt contributed anything
now i think chocolate is mafia because hes labeling me as mafia and using confusing posts as his means of convincing everyone, even though he said my posts were concise, which points out a clear contridiction on chocolates logic
His town read is based off him "figuring out" chocolate has been lurking. Hmm.
On February 01 2012 06:08 Simberto wrote:
I actually think that SacredSystem looks pretty clean at the moment, even though i do not really like his style of posting.
No reasoning. "Looks pretty clean". That's not an answer, that's an evasion.
Look at Zelblade / Chocolate team.
On February 01 2012 08:34 Chocolate wrote:
All right let's do this.
Town
Sloosh- Great analysis, very active, driving discussion
DYH- Good analysis, active, claimed being hit w/ no counterclaim
Bromancipate- Kind of on the edge, but has been posting a lot lately w/ good analysis and is driving discussion
Cosmos- started zarepath lynch
Adam- playing well, contributing
Don't know...
SS- very hostile attitude, confusing posts, omgus a lot BUT is active and seems to be trying to do analysis
Zellblade- just generally shady, lurker like myself
Mafia??
Simberto- Now that everyone has pointed out his inconsistencies he seems to me to be a mafia, or at least the best current candidate for a lynch.
"generally shady" also evasive, while "lurker like myself" is somewhat understandable/logical.
On January 31 2012 18:47 zelblade wrote:
Chocolate - No idea due to inactivity, voted rather late for zarepath, could be mafia if SS/simbertoe doesnt flip red.
Very logical, same conclusion that other townies came to, also posts his thoughts (relatively much more than the others posted).
I'm going to be taking a break so if another person could check out the black lines also it would be great.
In any case, I am leaning more on the S & SS team. Voting S over SS since 2 votes already on S and no lynch is the worst case scenario for us (gives them a free night hit while we don't get any new info off flip).
##Vote Simberto
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let me be clear right now my sole focus of suspicion is 100% on zelblade
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This is what I was writing, until I started to think up questions to ask the four guys. I stopped and will post what I realized.
+ Show Spoiler +
The thing I absolutely want to see is the four of you (Simberto, SacredSystem, Zelblade and Chocolate) interact with each other (Zelblade and SacredSystem have shown us enough of their relation, but I would like to see more of their relation to Simberto and Chocolate) This I feel will reveal much desired info, as well as put overwhelming pressure on mafia (if there are 2 in the group which I firmly believe) as they have to be extremely careful in their interaction with each other.
So this is like a public debate forum I suppose. I give you questions (in case you don't know what to talk about) and you guys duke it out. The townies in the group should just speak as they normally do. They aren't fabricating lies and positions unlike mafia who have to keep checking their stances to prevent making slip ups.
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On February 01 2012 06:17 SacredSystem wrote:Now i believe zelblade is mafia, in his attacks on me he is his very defensive and critical of my attacks on zarepath, his analysis felt far more emotional then logical, Capitalized bold letters, double question marks, the use of logic that isnt logical, and this omggg how could you think that defense
My analysis wasnt "emotional". The only capitalized bold letters are a "you", I dont see any double question marks, I dont see you pointing out anything in my analysis that "isnt logical", the "omgggg how could you think that defense" is referring to your OMGUS (in which you attack him because he feels that you are suspisious and for no other reason whatsover) of chocolate. Stop fabricating bullshit that isnt true.
Also just the very notion that you furiously defended someone that fliped red insta makes you a prime suspect. Then on top of that after zarepath was proven mafia you acted like you were all on board with it
When the hell have I "furiously defended" him? I had made it clear after the case DYH posted that he seemed scummy and that I was suspisious of him, but moreso on you. Please point out an instance in which I defend him. Cant understand "acted like you were all on board on it".
+ Show Spoiler +On January 28 2012 17:33 zelblade wrote:On another note, looking through SS's filter this post of zarepath's which he quoted really jumps out to me. Show nested quote +On January 27 2012 10:58 zarepath wrote:
Also: feel free to investigate me at night, if there's a DT (which I highly suspect to be the case, considering the numbers). It will be a waste of an investigation, but with numerous lurkers not being pressured, multiple suspicious people not being followed up on, we're going to waste too much time and attention on me without a confirmation. What i think is wierd is the "feel free to investigate me at night part". Why would he want a DT to check him, when he himself even admits that "it will be a waste of an investigation"? I dont think that town would ever request a DT to check him unless there was a high chance that he was going to be lynched the next day, as doing so would use an action which could be better used on a scummy player to try and weed out scum. Finding scum is definately more important, IMO, than confirming 1 townie. As such, this causes me to agree with DoYouHas that perhaps zerpath is indeed the godfather fishing for DT checks, enabling himself to get the status of "confirmed town", whilst wasting a DT check at the same time. Also the way that SS attacks zarepath makes me feel that they probably arent on the same team. I mean, if they were both mafia, why attack each other that way at that time? I would still prefer lynching SS at this point in time, unless he starts stepping up or a better case on zarepath convinces me that he is indeed mafia. notice how he says Show nested quote +
I would still prefer lynching SS at this point in time, unless he starts stepping up or a better case on zarepath convinces me that he is indeed mafia he was mafia but that didnt seem to change your mind
I did say that I prefer lynching you over zarepath because I had a stronger scum read on you, and this was before the DYH case. I am not really sure about that last sentence of yours, but i shall assume (correct me if I am wrong), that you are talking about my "if zarepath = red SS prolly = green" part, I did think so at that point in time but I still am getting a scum feel off you, and as DYH has said;
DoYouHas
I feel the need to walk back my defense of SacredSystem a bit. In day2 I was very quick to defend him as he was an early supporter of my analysis. I was looking for things that would let me channel voting towards zarepath. I think that is very clear to everyone. However, after getting zarepath lynched I have looked more closely at the case Adam presented and now Bromancipate. This, on top of the fact that a unanimous vote means support of my analysis and the zarepath lynch are no longer good standards for innocence, makes me retract my earlier defense of SacredSystem. I am going to take advantage of night2 to really look into SacredSystem for myself. Also, I'm going to try and analyze zelblade's day2 posts since we seem to be focusing on his day1 issues a little too much.
I now dont believe that the zarepath flip clears you at all.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 30 2012 13:12 zelblade wrote:
Nice lynch :D
Since it seems that most of us were on zarepath, I guess that the mafia probably have little to no thread presence. Suggest we take a hard look at the lurkers for the next lynch.
As stated earlier I need to go now and will be away from the thread for quite a while. ja hahah, except you! You were the one defending him
As stated, I wasnt defending him.
tldr
adam
zelblade
zelblade seems scared, look how he gave himself away with his aggression on me and his defense of his buddy zarepath
also be careful zelblade, you kill me and i flip green, which i will, you are dead the very next day
vote: zelbalde
I am not scared, and I didnt "give myself away" with my attacks on you and non-exsistent defense of my so-called buddy. Dont worry, you will be lynched next after simberto flips red. And even if you are somehow town (highly highly doubt so), no scum in their right mind would shoot you, since you are doing an excellent job pushing their agenda for them.
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Ok. This is about Chocolate. Quick skim of his filter demonstrates that he has some experience with mafia and isn't a total newbie playing his first game.
On February 01 2012 08:34 Chocolate wrote:
All right let's do this.
Town
Sloosh- Great analysis, very active, driving discussion
DYH- Good analysis, active, claimed being hit w/ no counterclaim
Bromancipate- Kind of on the edge, but has been posting a lot lately w/ good analysis and is driving discussion
Cosmos- started zarepath lynch
Adam- playing well, contributing
Don't know...
SS- very hostile attitude, confusing posts, omgus a lot BUT is active and seems to be trying to do analysis
Zellblade- just generally shady, lurker like myself
Mafia??
Simberto- Now that everyone has pointed out his inconsistencies he seems to me to be a mafia, or at least the best current candidate for a lynch.
There are nine players in the game.
He puts five as town, two as null & one as mafia for a total of eight reads (plus himself makes nine).
Remember that there are two mafia left (as if town would forget!) and look at his last line.
He only considers Simberto as mafia after night 2 ends and people start openly suspecting Simberto. It is a very passive stance. Notice how he says it. He "seems". Then notice how he says that this is the best current candidate. Ok. So logically he is saying that Simberto, of whom he does not strongly believe is the mafia, is the best candidate in his mind.
So I ask you guys, what is he thinking going into night 2 without any mafia reads???
With this I am leaning much to a Simberto/Chocolate team that is bussing each other so that the other will stand a better chance. With Simberto on the chopping block he drops his thoughts on zelblade and points out Chocolate.
This does mean that Sacred is town. Perhaps he is town suffering from serious tunnel vision. I don't like this but at least he has some thought (doesn't matter how well/poorly reasoned it may be).
Chocolate, with the 0 reads night 2 is a mafia.
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I'm not quite so convinced of Chocolate's guilt yet. I do see the soft defenses of zarepath like Adam mentions. I'm not quite so sure of the chainsaw defense Adam puts forth. CosmosXAM only described Chocolate as 'mildly suspicious' and this is from a move Chocolate explains to my satisfaction with this post. CosmosXAM then quickly moved onto attacking SacredSystem. I don't really see a chainsaw defense from zarepath as necessary when the squabble was small and short lived and 2 pages back. Also, in my case against zarepath I brought up how zarepath seemed to be taking his cues from Simberto, specifically pointing out that Simberto had already gone after CosmosXAM a few times making him a safe target. Obviously now I think that zarepath was taking his cues from Simberto because they were actually working together, instead of in an attempt to make his plays look more pro-town. Back to Chocolate. I have not really investigated Chocolate the way I have with Simberto and as such I am not willing to discount the analysis of multiple players. However, returning to my above points. My view is that Chocolate is not so cut-and-dry scum as Adam thinks. Right now I'm confident Adam is a townie so I value his analysis. I will try to look into Chocolate more carefully tomorrow but after Simberto I will still be looking at SacredSystem as the next scummiest player.
I will leave you with this thought before I go to bed. Zarepath repeatedly pointed back to the less active players and lurkers when he was under pressure. Even including his last post where I had him pretty well locked into a lynch. I have said before and I will say again, this points to at least 1 mafia remaining among the active players. In virtually everyone's lists of mafia at the start of the day, zarepath was the most active member. Think about that, and good night.
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On February 01 2012 07:54 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 06:08 Simberto wrote:
Now, this might also sound like picking an easy target given my situation, but of those, I think that Chocolate is almost definitively scum. He did not contribute anything, at all. This can easily checked by reading his filter, which has about the same proportions as that of balt11t now. I won't bother to quote these posts. There are simply almost no posts, and he only posts when he is absolutely forced to. Also, his posts do not contain anything at all. Note that even Adam who started one day and was not active for a long time, too, has more posts then Chocolate, and easily far more content.
Adam is a bit strange due to lack of information, but certainly not someone one should lynch today.
Hang on, whaaaat. I have 'far more content' then chocolate, but I'm still considered strange due to a lack of information? Isn't that contradicting yourself in the same post? I think you better take a hard-line opinion on me, or risk being labelled as wishy-washy or vague on top of the mounting case against you.
It is quite simple. You posted far more content then chocolate, because he posted barely any. However, you als did not post enough to make it a clear read for me. These two are not contradictionary, only because you posted more then someone else does not mean that you posted enough. I wrote it like that to point out exactly how small the amount of contribution by chocolate is.
Like this
Well, i don't know what i thought half a week ago. I know that that post does not make any sense, so i must have either simply put in the wrong name by accident, or at that point in time believed it is the right name. Should i make up some bullshit why putting that name there makes sense when it obviously does not?
I'm sure you can give us a more substantial answer than that.[/QUOTE]
No, i can't. I did not do it intentionally, it was an accident. I can speculate upon how it happened, but i can't give an exact answer because i don't know.
Also, apparently there is an explanation needed as to why i think that SacredSystem is more likely town. It was mostly an afterthought in the last post, so i didn't go into details, i will do that now.
He seems like a rather naive towny, but consistently so. What i mean with that is stuff like this:
[spoiler]
Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 15:45 zelblade wrote:
Does the mafia know the exact set-up? (What roles exsist, role-counts etc.) if he were mafia wouldnt he know? as of now i am really tempted to lean in favor of zelblade just being a noob like he claims to be
now my conclusion will heavily revolve around this post by zarepath Show nested quote +On January 27 2012 10:58 zarepath wrote:
Also: feel free to investigate me at night, if there's a DT (which I highly suspect to be the case, considering the numbers). It will be a waste of an investigation, but with numerous lurkers not being pressured, multiple suspicious people not being followed up on, we're going to waste too much time and attention on me without a confirmation. why would a townesmen need to sink to that level to prove his innocence. Also if he were in fact a townie using the detectives powers on him would be a waste, the opportunity cost of displaying his innocence is huge therefore i will set aside all my other suspicions are claim that zarepath is very likely mafia he has shown a disturbing lack of town incentives, ie random lynch, not going after fakepromise, and his claim for self investigation
Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 03:32 SacredSystem wrote:
so im not on my computer im on my phone, so i wont write a giant write up, the attacks made on me seemd like they were organized, im pretty sure there seemed to be some team work going on between zelblade and zarepath,
their attacks seem like a giant smoke screen because they accuse me of using logic that other players were using as well, and this did make me very frustrated
i also would like to state that im sure zarepaths attacks on me would confirm my innocence, since inwas suspicious of him since day 1, so me bussing him doesnt seem very viable
i am reading all the posts, just to let yiu all know
after the fall of zarepath, adam would go on to claim that he no longer feels i am mafia and removes his suspicion of me, and then places it on zelblade and balt11t, balt as we know would later be shot and flip mafia, and if adam were mafia he wouldnt abandon his case on me to turn his attention to balt
Honestly, i could basically quote about half his filter here. It is always the same thing.
[spoiler]
He is basically always not thinking the second thought in the line, but also always is very convinced of his results, and follows them aggressively. At the beginning, he was rather inactive, but that has vastly improved throughout the game. This is also what most people criticize about him (next to his IM-style massacring of grammar). However, he is so consistent in this behaviour that it looks a lot more like he actually is new to the mindset mafia requires, rather then an incredibly good actor.
Also, i hate to be the one pointing this out, but has CosmosXAM completely vanished?
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Ok, i butchered that hard. I will try to get it in order and repost it for better readability.
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On February 01 2012 07:54 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 06:08 Simberto wrote:
Now, this might also sound like picking an easy target given my situation, but of those, I think that Chocolate is almost definitively scum. He did not contribute anything, at all. This can easily checked by reading his filter, which has about the same proportions as that of balt11t now. I won't bother to quote these posts. There are simply almost no posts, and he only posts when he is absolutely forced to. Also, his posts do not contain anything at all. Note that even Adam who started one day and was not active for a long time, too, has more posts then Chocolate, and easily far more content.
Adam is a bit strange due to lack of information, but certainly not someone one should lynch today.
Hang on, whaaaat. I have 'far more content' then chocolate, but I'm still considered strange due to a lack of information? Isn't that contradicting yourself in the same post? I think you better take a hard-line opinion on me, or risk being labelled as wishy-washy or vague on top of the mounting case against you.
It is quite simple. You posted far more content then chocolate, because he posted barely any. However, you als did not post enough to make it a clear read for me. These two are not contradictionary, only because you posted more then someone else does not mean that you posted enough. I wrote it like that to point out exactly how small the amount of contribution by chocolate is.
Like this Show nested quote +Well, i don't know what i thought half a week ago. I know that that post does not make any sense, so i must have either simply put in the wrong name by accident, or at that point in time believed it is the right name. Should i make up some bullshit why putting that name there makes sense when it obviously does not? I'm sure you can give us a more substantial answer than that.
No, i can't. I did not do it intentionally, it was an accident. I can speculate upon how it happened, but i can't give an exact answer because i don't know.
Also, apparently there is an explanation needed as to why i think that SacredSystem is more likely town. It was mostly an afterthought in the last post, so i didn't go into details, i will do that now.
He seems like a rather naive towny, but consistently so. What i mean with that is stuff like this:
+ Show Spoiler +Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 15:45 zelblade wrote:
Does the mafia know the exact set-up? (What roles exsist, role-counts etc.) if he were mafia wouldnt he know? as of now i am really tempted to lean in favor of zelblade just being a noob like he claims to be now my conclusion will heavily revolve around this post by zarepath Show nested quote +On January 27 2012 10:58 zarepath wrote:
Also: feel free to investigate me at night, if there's a DT (which I highly suspect to be the case, considering the numbers). It will be a waste of an investigation, but with numerous lurkers not being pressured, multiple suspicious people not being followed up on, we're going to waste too much time and attention on me without a confirmation. why would a townesmen need to sink to that level to prove his innocence. Also if he were in fact a townie using the detectives powers on him would be a waste, the opportunity cost of displaying his innocence is huge therefore i will set aside all my other suspicions are claim that zarepath is very likely mafia he has shown a disturbing lack of town incentives, ie random lynch, not going after fakepromise, and his claim for self investigation Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 03:32 SacredSystem wrote:
so im not on my computer im on my phone, so i wont write a giant write up, the attacks made on me seemd like they were organized, im pretty sure there seemed to be some team work going on between zelblade and zarepath,
their attacks seem like a giant smoke screen because they accuse me of using logic that other players were using as well, and this did make me very frustrated
i also would like to state that im sure zarepaths attacks on me would confirm my innocence, since inwas suspicious of him since day 1, so me bussing him doesnt seem very viable
i am reading all the posts, just to let yiu all know
after the fall of zarepath, adam would go on to claim that he no longer feels i am mafia and removes his suspicion of me, and then places it on zelblade and balt11t, balt as we know would later be shot and flip mafia, and if adam were mafia he wouldnt abandon his case on me to turn his attention to balt
Honestly, i could basically quote about half his filter here. It is always the same thing.
He is basically always not thinking the second thought in the line, but also always is very convinced of his results, and follows them aggressively. At the beginning, he was rather inactive, but that has vastly improved throughout the game. This is also what most people criticize about him (next to his IM-style massacring of grammar). However, he is so consistent in this behaviour that it looks a lot more like he actually is new to the mindset mafia requires, rather then an incredibly good actor.
Also, i hate to be the one pointing this out, but has CosmosXAM completely vanished?
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On February 01 2012 16:46 slOosh wrote:Ok. This is about Chocolate. Quick skim of his filter demonstrates that he has some experience with mafia and isn't a total newbie playing his first game. Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 08:34 Chocolate wrote:
All right let's do this.
Town
Sloosh- Great analysis, very active, driving discussion
DYH- Good analysis, active, claimed being hit w/ no counterclaim
Bromancipate- Kind of on the edge, but has been posting a lot lately w/ good analysis and is driving discussion
Cosmos- started zarepath lynch
Adam- playing well, contributing
Don't know...
SS- very hostile attitude, confusing posts, omgus a lot BUT is active and seems to be trying to do analysis
Zellblade- just generally shady, lurker like myself
Mafia??
Simberto- Now that everyone has pointed out his inconsistencies he seems to me to be a mafia, or at least the best current candidate for a lynch.
There are nine players in the game. He puts five as town, two as null & one as mafia for a total of eight reads (plus himself makes nine). Remember that there are two mafia left (as if town would forget!) and look at his last line. He only considers Simberto as mafia after night 2 ends and people start openly suspecting Simberto. It is a very passive stance. Notice how he says it. He "seems". Then notice how he says that this is the best current candidate. Ok. So logically he is saying that Simberto, of whom he does not strongly believe is the mafia, is the best candidate in his mind. So I ask you guys, what is he thinking going into night 2 without any mafia reads???With this I am leaning much to a Simberto/Chocolate team that is bussing each other so that the other will stand a better chance. With Simberto on the chopping block he drops his thoughts on zelblade and points out Chocolate. This does mean that Sacred is town. Perhaps he is town suffering from serious tunnel vision. I don't like this but at least he has some thought (doesn't matter how well/poorly reasoned it may be). Chocolate, with the 0 reads night 2 is a mafia.
It's not that I don't think there are two mafia left, of course there are. I just don't KNOW who the second one is. I also think the main reason that someone would suddenly be on simberto's case just after night ends would be if he had investigated him, which is good evidence on top of some of his posting.
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On February 01 2012 21:46 Chocolate wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 16:46 slOosh wrote:Ok. This is about Chocolate. Quick skim of his filter demonstrates that he has some experience with mafia and isn't a total newbie playing his first game. On February 01 2012 08:34 Chocolate wrote:
All right let's do this.
Town
Sloosh- Great analysis, very active, driving discussion
DYH- Good analysis, active, claimed being hit w/ no counterclaim
Bromancipate- Kind of on the edge, but has been posting a lot lately w/ good analysis and is driving discussion
Cosmos- started zarepath lynch
Adam- playing well, contributing
Don't know...
SS- very hostile attitude, confusing posts, omgus a lot BUT is active and seems to be trying to do analysis
Zellblade- just generally shady, lurker like myself
Mafia??
Simberto- Now that everyone has pointed out his inconsistencies he seems to me to be a mafia, or at least the best current candidate for a lynch.
There are nine players in the game. He puts five as town, two as null & one as mafia for a total of eight reads (plus himself makes nine). Remember that there are two mafia left (as if town would forget!) and look at his last line. He only considers Simberto as mafia after night 2 ends and people start openly suspecting Simberto. It is a very passive stance. Notice how he says it. He "seems". Then notice how he says that this is the best current candidate. Ok. So logically he is saying that Simberto, of whom he does not strongly believe is the mafia, is the best candidate in his mind. So I ask you guys, what is he thinking going into night 2 without any mafia reads???With this I am leaning much to a Simberto/Chocolate team that is bussing each other so that the other will stand a better chance. With Simberto on the chopping block he drops his thoughts on zelblade and points out Chocolate. This does mean that Sacred is town. Perhaps he is town suffering from serious tunnel vision. I don't like this but at least he has some thought (doesn't matter how well/poorly reasoned it may be). Chocolate, with the 0 reads night 2 is a mafia. It's not that I don't think there are two mafia left, of course there are. I just don't KNOW who the second one is. I also think the main reason that someone would suddenly be on simberto's case just after night ends would be if he had investigated him, which is good evidence on top of some of his posting.
Im quite sure what slOosh is pointing out here (correct me if im wrong) is not that you dont think that there are two mafia left, but rather that you dont seem to be actively scumhunting, and that you went into the 2nd night with no mafia reads, and only felt that simberto was mafia after the night. His point here is this - If you are town, why havent you been scumhunting? As such, he suspects that you are mafia as you already know who scum are, and thus dont need to look through the thread in order to find out who is scum - causing you to not have any actual reads.
And wtf do you mean with the 2nd sentance? Are you saying that one of the people who quickly jumped onto simberto day 3 is the DT? (I am assuming that you are refering to a DT check when you say "investigated".
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