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Simberto
Germany12086 Posts
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
I looked up WIFOM, and it refers to the Princess Bride scene where the genius guy lists off assumptions and says "Then you can assume that the wine is in front of me." It was a confusion tactic that didn't end up working. I suppose my reasoning was a little circular, but it's still hard for me to imagine Fake as a mafia. He does need to contribute more either way, though. | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
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Simberto
Germany12086 Posts
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Bromancipate
Oman52 Posts
I am heading off to class right now, and I should be back by the time the lynch occurs. If new circumstance arise by that time, I should have sufficient time to respond. | ||
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dreamflower
United States312 Posts
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MidnightGladius
China1214 Posts
On January 27 2012 04:50 dreamflower wrote: Please note, the voting rules in the OP have been slightly modified from the original to read, "Majority = number of total voters/2 (rounded down) + 1," rather than "Majority = number of players remaining in the game/2) (rounded down) + 1." We hosts decided it was better to calculate the final vote based on the number of players who are voting rather than the total number of players. The change shouldn't matter if all players vote, but it punishes active players less if someone doesn't vote. Qatol believed, and I agreed, that it is unfair to punish the people actively participating in this game because someone is inactive, and it is better to have active players deciding what happens in the game rather than risking inactives causing no-lynches or otherwise ruining the vote. Well, that changes things greatly O_O. This can potentially open a huge can of worms, but first I'd like to ask: How is this reconciled with the requirement, as stated in the "Activity" section of the rules, that all players must vote while alive, or be modkilled? | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
Until then I really want to see Chocolate and balt11t post. I don't want them to get away lurking until something big happens and they can pretend to contribute. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
Say half the group does not vote and get modkilled. The remaining group can still decide to lynch as there is a lower, attainable majority lynch number. | ||
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dreamflower
United States312 Posts
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DoYouHas
United States1140 Posts
CosmosXAM seems more scummy to me than FakePromise for a few reasons. On January 26 2012 06:39 CosmosXAM wrote: I had yet to post because I was at school, sorry if inactivity would lead people to this conclusion. But in my opinion even pressuring someone like that will be cause of an emotional and defensive response making them see even more likely to be right to lynch. I am completely against random lynches on the first day because the odds are just too small, you wouldnt bet your life on a 1/3 chance would you? That is the same stance I am taking here even on the chance we do kill a mafia in my opinion it comes at too great of a risk and we dont need to kill a townie only to have more killed in the night, that just brings our numbers too low to fast. Not only is this a weak first post that focuses on a settled issue, his second sentence says that even if we find scummy things in his posts, it is our fault for pressuring him into it. He shortly follows this with 3 questionable statements in his second post. On January 26 2012 07:04 CosmosXAM wrote: If I had to say I would probably go with fakepromise because of how he was so quick to agree. Also Chocolate seems mildly suspicious because of his quick jump to voting straight for me based on little information, but I havent found enough conclusive evidence to make a post strongly against someone. This is just my first game and I can only be active for a few hours in the day so hopefully people dont misconstrue that information. First, he goes after FakePromise. This is reasonable, possibly bandwagoning, and easy. I expect someone who has been lurking for a full day could find something suspicious to mention that hasn't been repeated so often. Second, he overreacts to Chocolate's placing a vote on him and lashes back purely based on that. Third, he points us to this being his first game and how rarely he will be able to post. So not only should we not expect many posts from him, but when they come we shouldn't expect them to have quality. I don't really take issue with his third post and 4-5 have no content so I'll move to FakePromise. I don't have anything new to say on the things FakePromise has done wrong. I simply agree that his actions make for a very poor defense and he definitely is not pro-town so far. I do not agree with zarepath's defense of FakePromise. To me, it is equally likely for the explanations of 'no mafia would behave in the way FakePromise has / no mafia team would allow FakePromise to behave in the way he has' and 'FakePromise has played this first round very poorly' to be true. It is not out of the question. Especially since most of us are new players. In spite of CosmosXAM being the scummier candidate, I believe we gain more information for day 2 if we lynch FakePromise. Not only can we start to look at people who seem to have jumped on the bandwagon but we would also gain some insight into zarepath's motivations. I am torn between the scummier candidate and having more information. At the moment I am leaning towards CosmosXAM. In my real life mafia experience bumbling defenses like FakePromise's tend to be town who don't know how to act under pressure. I'm trusting that experience for now. | ||
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balt11t
United States15 Posts
On January 27 2012 05:57 slOosh wrote: Until then I really want to see Chocolate and balt11t post. I don't want them to get away lurking until something big happens and they can pretend to contribute. My apologies. I am reading the thread, however, my school blocks login pages, so I am unable to actually sign in in order to post until I get home. | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On January 27 2012 05:58 slOosh wrote: I think people who don't vote get modkilled but the majority gets adjusted for the active votes. Say half the group does not vote and get modkilled. The remaining group can still decide to lynch as there is a lower, attainable majority lynch number. This is basically the worst case scenario, but it makes the point. We don't want inactives forcing no lynches simply because they're inactive. If over half the players don't vote, it would force a no lynch under the old rule even if the voting players are unanimous. We don't like this result, so the rules were slightly changed to at least mitigate the effect of inactives as much as possible. And if everyone votes like they're supposed to, this change would have absolutely no effect on the game at all. | ||
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CosmosXAM
United States121 Posts
On the note of who I believe as mafia I still am a little nervous about Fakepromise's lack of posts and reappearance then disappearance. And zarepath because all I have seen him do is agree with people and constantly changes his viewpoints. Chocolate was a heat of the moment suspision based on him pressuring me and I don't really think that he is mafia anymore. So with my vote being able to be cahnged in the event of new information I would like to vote now for zarepath based on his "yes man" attitude toward everything and how he never has a solid opinion. ##Vote: zarepath | ||
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MidnightGladius
China1214 Posts
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balt11t
United States15 Posts
On January 26 2012 23:35 Simberto wrote: Ok, i noticed some interesting things here. Firstly, FakePromise does the best he can to dig his own grave. But he is not doing it alone. Interestingly enough, even before anything really started, balt11t spent most of his time attacking FakePromise over the 30% thing. Now, we can only know the significance of this when FakePromise flips green, but sadly he continues to dig his grave and i fear that he will turn up as a less abled townie in the end. If this does happen, i think balt11t is a prime suspect. To put it quite frankly, I do not understand how I look any more suspicious then you do at this point. Why would I not attack someone who claims that only a 30% chance of killing a scummy is worth the risk. To claim that those are even moderately good odds is beyond a little bit of a stretch, and to put them into application would essentially be a waste of life. | ||
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MidnightGladius
China1214 Posts
On January 27 2012 06:23 CosmosXAM wrote: A no-lynch in my opinion will be better then killing a townsperson even if it does accomplesh little we do lose less townspeople, now I know I am a target and seem to bandwagon but I have yet to cast a vote and would really like to vote out a mafia or a person who seems most likely to be mafia. On the note of who I believe as mafia I still am a little nervous about Fakepromise's lack of posts and reappearance then disappearance. And zarepath because all I have seen him do is agree with people and constantly changes his viewpoints. Chocolate was a heat of the moment suspision based on him pressuring me and I don't really think that he is mafia anymore. So with my vote being able to be cahnged in the event of new information I would like to vote now for zarepath based on his "yes man" attitude toward everything and how he never has a solid opinion. ##Vote: zarepath A no-lynch does not help us. Not only do we give up the chance of you/FakePromise turning out to be mafia, but it also eliminates the information that would be generated by people arguing for/against certain candidates. If we lynch no one, then it's very likely that we'll just be having this discussion again on Day 2. I would have predicted an innocent in your position to pick one target and hit hard, not present us with half-formed accusations against multiple players. As none of your arguments are particularly precise, detailed, or convincing, your voting for zarepath now feels even more out of place. FakePromise's blunder remains more convincing to me, but honestly, at this point you're digging yourself a deeper hole in my eyes. If you don't make a more solid defense before the Day ends, I'm going to strongly favor your lynch tomorrow. | ||
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CosmosXAM
United States121 Posts
On January 27 2012 06:35 MidnightGladius wrote: A no-lynch does not help us. Not only do we give up the chance of you/FakePromise turning out to be mafia, but it also eliminates the information that would be generated by people arguing for/against certain candidates. If we lynch no one, then it's very likely that we'll just be having this discussion again on Day 2. I would have predicted an innocent in your position to pick one target and hit hard, not present us with half-formed accusations against multiple players. As none of your arguments are particularly precise, detailed, or convincing, your voting for zarepath now feels even more out of place. FakePromise's blunder remains more convincing to me, but honestly, at this point you're digging yourself a deeper hole in my eyes. If you don't make a more solid defense before the Day ends, I'm going to strongly favor your lynch tomorrow. I would not predict someone who has very little experience to simply stick with 1 person to target, I prefer looking at the big picture of things not just what is topical right now in my mind I have a 50/50 thought on who to vote for (the people I listed) so to get others opinions I voted for the one others seemed to have not considered instead of just adding another vote to a person making it easier for the mafia to lynch them if they happened to not be mafia. I did this fully knowing that I could remove my vote if new information came up about either of the two that I have in mind. | ||
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Chocolate
United States2350 Posts
On January 26 2012 23:35 Simberto wrote: Chocolate looks strange. Not only is he active on TL, but not contributing here at all, almost all of his posts consist of zero content. He is saying that he tries to make Lurkers post, while he pretty much lurks very hard himself. Other then that, he did not post anything except an attack on the random lynching plan. I would really like some kind of statement from those 3 guys. Hi guys I'm back. I just got home from school so please excuse my poor schedule for one more day. First, about activity on TL as opposed to that in mafia. When I was making posts last night there was nothing going on in the thread. When I got off SS was just defending himself and the last post was http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=305805¤tpage=8#145 I didn't see anything to add to SS's post because there is essentially nothing to add; it was a thoroughly confusing post but what I got from it was that he's voting for fakepromise because there is better evidence against him than others. Now I haven't been lurking in that I haven't been reading the thread. I can only read for 15 minutes in the car on my phone in the morning and post from 4-9 P.M. Since the traffic will increase closer and closer to the deadline tonight you can expect to see more input. | ||
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FakePromise
United States77 Posts
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